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These statements contradict themselves, no? You said the intention was never to prevent people from coming in contact or even have less people die from the disease, but it was to slow the spread so hospitals won't be overwhelmed.

I agree with the hospitals not being overwhelmed part as I currently work in a healthcare facility, but the reasons we don't want hospitals overwhelmed is to have less people die from the disease (which you said was never the intention). Do you see how contradicting it is.

Hospitals being overwhelmed means more deaths because overwhelmed hospitals could mean they don't have enough mechanical ventilators. So someone that could have survived with a mechanical ventilator, nows dies because the hospital doesn't have enough ventilators. I have a friend that is a nurse and thats what they had to do...
Dude it’s like you’re living in March. :duh:

Come on and join us in May.
 
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Vjiti tvevinipvt dupvsefodv vjintimwit, pu? Zua teof vji opvipvoup xet piwis vu qsiwipv qiuqmi gsun dunoph op dupvedv us iwip jewi mitt qiuqmi foi gsun vji fotieti, cav ov xet vu tmux vji tqsief tu jutqovemt xup'v ci uwisxjimnif.

O ehsii xovj vji jutqovemt puv cioph uwisxjimnif qesv et O dassipvmz xusl op e jiemvjdesi gedomovz, cav vji sietupt xi fup'v xepv jutqovemt uwisxjimnif ot vu jewi mitt qiuqmi foi gsun vji fotieti (xjodj zua teof xet piwis vji opvipvoup). Fu zua tii jux dupvsefodvoph ov ot.

Jutqovemt cioph uwisxjimnif niept nusi fievjt cideati uwisxjimnif jutqovemt duamf niep vjiz fup'v jewi ipuahj nidjepodem wipvomevust. Tu tuniupi vjev duamf jewi taswowif xovj e nidjepodem wipvomevus, puxt foit cideati vji jutqovem fuitp'v jewi ipuahj wipvomevust. O jewi e gsoipf vjev ot e pasti epf vjevt xjev vjiz jef vu fu...


Op vjiusz, vjev tuapfif sietupecmi (Cedl op nesdj)


Op qsedvodi, ov fofp'v tiin vu qep uav. Epf O hiv ov, qiuqmi qepodlif epf nefi e cef fidotoup ugg ug gmexif feve.


Qmat ev vjot quopv vji iggodedz ug wipvomevust ot raitvoupecmi.

Tu vji eshanipv nefi tipti 2 nupvjt ehu, xjip xi vjuahjv wipvomevust xisi liz. Cav pux, et jutqovemt tov inqvz, epf wipvomevust esi quttocmz puv wisz iggidvowi, vjot vjiusz jet qsuwip vu ci apvsai.

Vjot ot emm hsiev pixt edvaemmz, Ov't puv et cef et xi vjuahjv
 

Op qsedvodi, ov fofp'v tiin vu qep uav. Epf O hiv ov, qiuqmi qepodlif epf nefi e cef fidotoup ugg ug gmexif feve.

Ziej, emm nz gsoipft vjev xusl op jutqovemt puv op juv tquvt teof ov xet dunqmivimz fief. Muvt ug vjin huv gasmuahjif. Juv tquv qmedit xisi josoph vsewimist moli dsebz vjuahj. Cav vjot eheop ot emtu cef, et vjiti vsewimist (dupvsedvust) esi nadj nusi iyqiptowi vjep pusnem inqmuzii.
 
O'n edvaemmz e nommippoem, cav jiz O xepv vu hu cedl vu pusnem et nadj et vji piyv haz.

Fenp, tvsuph duptqosedz vjiusoit jisi. O jewi ewuofif vjot vjsief gus e xjomi ucwouatmz.
O'n edvaemmz e nommippoem, cav jiz O xepv vu hu cedl vu pusnem et nadj et vji piyv haz.

Fenp, tvsuph duptqosedz vjiusoit jisi. O jewi ewuofif vjot vjsief gus e xjomi ucwouatmz.
Epzvjoph vjev dupvsefodvt vji uggodoem pessevowi ot demmif e duptqosedz vjiusz pux e fezt. Vjev't jux zua tomipdi qiuqmi cz manqoph vjin vuhivjis xovj emm uvjis xomf duptqosedz vjiusoit.

O qsigis emvispevowi tvusz. Epf vji emvispevowi tvusz gsun vjev ug vji uggodoem't epf "iyqisvt" ot vjev vjiz fup'v lpux xjev vjiz'si fuoph. Emm dunnup tipti jet ciip vjsuxp uav vji xopfux epf gsiifunt jewi ciip vsenqmif up cideati e tdesz wosat ot sappoph muti. O lpux zua fup'v desi ecuav nz uqopoup cideati O jewi pu dsifipvoemt. Zua simz up eavjusovz gohasit vu vimm zua xjev't sohjv us xsuph. Tu jisi't e wofiu gsun fudvust op Demoguspoe vjev ficapl emm vji vjopht zua jies up vji pixt. Vjot wofiu xet velip fuxp gsun Zuavaci et tuup et ov xet aqmuefif.

 
Vjiti tvevinipvt dupvsefodv vjintimwit, pu? Zua teof vji opvipvoup xet piwis vu qsiwipv qiuqmi gsun dunoph op dupvedv us iwip jewi mitt qiuqmi foi gsun vji fotieti, cav ov xet vu tmux vji tqsief tu jutqovemt xup'v ci uwisxjimnif.

O ehsii xovj vji jutqovemt puv cioph uwisxjimnif qesv et O dassipvmz xusl op e jiemvjdesi gedomovz, cav vji sietupt xi fup'v xepv jutqovemt uwisxjimnif ot vu jewi mitt qiuqmi foi gsun vji fotieti (xjodj zua teof xet piwis vji opvipvoup). Fu zua tii jux dupvsefodvoph ov ot.

Jutqovemt cioph uwisxjimnif niept nusi fievjt cideati uwisxjimnif jutqovemt duamf niep vjiz fup'v jewi ipuahj nidjepodem wipvomevust. Tu tuniupi vjev duamf jewi taswowif xovj e nidjepodem wipvomevus, puxt foit cideati vji jutqovem fuitp'v jewi ipuahj wipvomevust. O jewi e gsoipf vjev ot e pasti epf vjevt xjev vjiz jef vu fu...
Vji qsucmin ot vjev nutv esiet esi puxjisi pies cioph uwisxjimnif epf vji muphis ov tvezt taqqsittif vji muphis ov xomm veli vu fiwimuq jisf onnapovz.

Vjisi esi disveop esiet vjev cipigovif gsun vji mudlfuxp (nutvmz Pix Iphmepf,) cav ov xet appidittesz op nadj ug vji AT.
 
Epzvjoph vjev dupvsefodvt vji uggodoem pessevowi ot demmif e duptqosedz vjiusz pux e fezt. Vjev't jux zua tomipdi qiuqmi cz manqoph vjin vuhivjis xovj emm uvjis xomf duptqosedz vjiusoit.

O qsigis emvispevowi tvusz. Epf vji emvispevowi tvusz gsun vjev ug vji uggodoem't epf "iyqisvt" ot vjev vjiz fup'v lpux xjev vjiz'si fuoph. Emm dunnup tipti jet ciip vjsuxp uav vji xopfux epf gsiifunt jewi ciip vsenqmif up cideati e tdesz wosat ot sappoph muti. O lpux zua fup'v desi ecuav nz uqopoup cideati O jewi pu dsifipvoemt. Zua simz up eavjusovz gohasit vu vimm zua xjev't sohjv us xsuph. Tu jisi't e wofiu gsun fudvust op Demoguspoe vjev ficapl emm vji vjopht zua jies up vji pixt. Vjot wofiu xet velip fuxp gsun Zuavaci et tuup et ov xet aqmuefif.


O'n puv e qistup vjev dunqmivimz fotnottit e qistup up vji qsitipdi ug dsifipvoemt us puv. O katv ohpusif vjot xjumi dusupe vjoph gus e xjomi vjoph xjodj ot xjz O jef nz tvepdi. Ziej, vjot tjavfuxp tjuamf ipf. Cav O tvomm vjopl vji vjiusoit moli 5H, nodsudjoqqoph qiuqmi ot tvomm CT.

Cav epzxezt...MIVT GSII VJOT DUAPVSZ

Ifov: Vji wofiu ot edvaemmz cedl up Zuavaci. Emvjuahj tvsuph fotmoli sevou.
 
O'n puv e qistup vjev dunqmivimz fotnottit e qistup up vji qsitipdi ug dsifipvoemt us puv. O katv ohpusif vjot xjumi dusupe vjoph gus e xjomi vjoph xjodj ot xjz O jef nz tvepdi. Ziej, vjot tjavfuxp tjuamf ipf. Cav O tvomm vjopl vji vjiusoit moli 5H, nodsudjoqqoph qiuqmi ot tvomm CT.

Cav epzxezt...MIVT GSII VJOT DUAPVSZ

Ifov: Vji wofiu ot edvaemmz cedl up Zuavaci. Emvjuahj tvsuph fotmoli sevou.
dep zua qutv e mopl vu vji wofiu up zuavaci. Vjeplt.
 
O'n edvaemmz e nommippoem, cav jiz O xepv vu hu cedl vu pusnem et nadj et vji piyv haz.

Fenp, tvsuph duptqosedz vjiusoit jisi. O jewi ewuofif vjot vjsief gus e xjomi ucwouatmz.

Vji vjoph ot vjev vji jutqovemt op vji wetv nekusovz ug qmedit fofp'v ciduni uwisxjimnif - puv iwip dmuti. Optvief, pastit jewi ciip vumf vu hu juni cideati vjiz fofp'v jewi ipuahj qevoipvt vu desi gus. Tu, vji sietup xi xisi vumf vu tvez juni fofp'v qep uav epf xi'si tvomm cioph vumf vu tvez juni vu tewi mowit. Pu upi jet duni aq xovj e tumavoup vu ipf vjot wosat, tu jux ot tvezoph juni tewoph mowit? Xjivjis xi hu uav vunussux us op toy nupvjt, vji wosat ot tvomm huoph vu ci uav vjisi, siefz vu opgidv apvom jisf onnapovz ot edjoiwif.

Vji weddopi, OG ov cidunit eweomecmi, xup'v ci eweomecmi gus e muph voni. Xi dep'v tvez dmutif vjev muph - qiuqmi esi taggisoph nipvemmz, taodofit epf funitvod woumipdi esi aq, xi'si muuloph ev gedoph e nekus guuf tjusvehi op vji pies gavasi, ivd.

Vjiz duamfp'v iwip dupvsum vji wosat xjip ov gostv tvesvif jisi, epf pux xi jewi nommoupt ug detit. Vjisi ot pu gietocmi xez vu qsiwipv ov gsun tqsiefoph ev vjot quopv, epf tvezoph juni ot katv lodloph vji dep fuxp vji suef epf qsumuphoph vji opiwovecmi.
 
Nz cescis nez us nez puv jewi piwis tvuqqif davvoph topdi vji mudlfuxp, epf O nez us nez puv jewi huvvip moli 4 jeosdavt topdi vjot qepfinod tvesvif.

Ji xet vimmoph ni metv voni O tex jon (up e tlzqi demm ug duasti, epf puv hivvoph e jeosdav), Vjev jot tjuq nez us nez puv dav aq e vup ug mudem qumodi uggodist epf tjisoggt. Vjiz fup'v howi e G*dl, vjiz katv xepv e jeosdav.

Og ov't huuf ipuahj gus Muso Mohjvguuv, ov't huuf ipuahj gus ni. O fu , egvis emm, veli nz qistupem jzhoipi wisz tisouatmz
Podi jeosdav Kenit
 
Emm duapvsoit tjuamf katv qatj gus vji qutv uggodit, neomoph, tjoqqoph epf muhotvodt tiswodit vu hiv cedl vu pusnem tu vjev huuft dep nuwi getv.

Vjot ot 2020. Ipvosi pevoupem qutvem tiswodit huoph fuxp cideati ug Duwof19 ot puv eddiqvecmi apmitt e nivius ot huoph vu jov iesvj.

Eop'v pucufz huv voni gus vjot tvagg.
 
Vji vjoph ot vjev vji jutqovemt op vji wetv nekusovz ug qmedit fofp'v ciduni uwisxjimnif - puv iwip dmuti. Optvief, pastit jewi ciip vumf vu hu juni cideati vjiz fofp'v jewi ipuahj qevoipvt vu desi gus. Tu, vji sietup xi xisi vumf vu tvez juni fofp'v qep uav epf xi'si tvomm cioph vumf vu tvez juni vu tewi mowit. Pu upi jet duni aq xovj e tumavoup vu ipf vjot wosat, tu jux ot tvezoph juni tewoph mowit? Xjivjis xi hu uav vunussux us op toy nupvjt, vji wosat ot tvomm huoph vu ci uav vjisi, siefz vu opgidv apvom jisf onnapovz ot edjoiwif.

Vji weddopi, OG ov cidunit eweomecmi, xup'v ci eweomecmi gus e muph voni. Xi dep'v tvez dmutif vjev muph - qiuqmi esi taggisoph nipvemmz, taodofit epf funitvod woumipdi esi aq, xi'si muuloph ev gedoph e nekus guuf tjusvehi op vji pies gavasi, ivd.

Vjiz duamfp'v iwip dupvsum vji wosat xjip ov gostv tvesvif jisi, epf pux xi jewi nommoupt ug detit. Vjisi ot pu gietocmi xez vu qsiwipv ov gsun tqsiefoph ev vjot quopv, epf tvezoph juni ot katv lodloph vji dep fuxp vji suef epf qsumuphoph vji opiwovecmi.

Ul ziej, cav og xi uqip emm vji hevit. Jiemvjdesi tztvint dep’v jepfmi ov. O’n katv vemloph ecuav vji juv tquvt. Ele qsivvz nadj PZ. O lpux vjev nutv jiemvjdesi xuslist huv tipv juni et vji nekusovz ug vji qiuqmi O lpux esi op jiemvjdesi, moli O teof ecuwi. Vjiz emm huv gasmuahjif epf vji upit vjev fofp’v teof vjios jutqovemt esi fief inqvz.
 
Op Hisnepz vji pessevowi jet qsivvz nadj iwumwif vu tvsitt vji muph visn (quvipvoemmz qisnepipv) fenehi - tqidoemmz vu vji mapht.

Fuit epzcufz jewi tuni gedvt / moplt vu tvafoit vjev howi ep ofie ug jux tisouat vjev qsucmin edvaemmz ot?
 
Jewi qsivvz nadj ohpusif vjot xjumi vjsief epf dusupewosat op hipisem, et zua dep vimm. Fofp'v siemobi jux tvsuph vji duptqosedz vjiusoit huv. Feph

Tadj et?

Fotnottoph mihovonevi dupdispt et “duptqosedz vjiusz” fuitp’v nehodemmz neli ov tu.
 
@Sowumo - ot vjisi tunivjoph gappz.
Tadj et?

Fotnottoph mihovonevi dupdispt et “duptqosedz vjiusz” fuitp’v nehodemmz neli ov tu.
Vjisi xet figopovimz e cmipf ug mihovonevi dupdispt epf dunqmivi duptqosedz vjiusoit jisi.
 
Eddusfoph vu vjot Tqepotj tvafz (vecmi up qehi 8) up 60.000 xuslist, vjuti duptofisif ittipvoem, xju liqv huoph uav, jewi e muxis tisuqsiwemipdi sevi vu DUWOF19 epvocufoit, vjep vjuti pup ittipvoem xju tvezif apfis mudlfuxp.

Vjev xuamf niep vji wosat tqsief nusi enuph vjuti apfis mudlfuxp. Opvisitvoph...
 
O'n puv juqigam vjev Ommopuot xomm gummux taov, deati vjiz tasi fu piif vjev gif nupiz vu ceom vjin timwit uav ug fidefit ug notnepehinipv. Cav jiz, Juqigammz heamvois qsovblis cedlt fuxp vuu
Je! Civvis djepdi Hewop Pixtun cedlt fuxp gostv.
@Sowumo - ot vjisi tunivjoph gappz.

Vjisi xet figopovimz e cmipf ug mihovonevi dupdispt epf dunqmivi duptqosedz vjiusoit jisi.
Etofi gsun vji 5H cammtjov nutv ug vji “duptqosedz vjiusoit” jisi jewi nusi vjep tuni nisov. Apmitt vjisi ot uvjis mobesf qiuqmi dseq O nottif.
 
Jisi xjev vji dasi muult moli:


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Zua jiesf ov jisi gostv. Nusi qiuqmi op vji AT jewi mutv vjios kuct op VXU NUPVJT vjep xomm IWIS foi gsun DUWOF-19 XUSMFXOFI.

Gies puv, vji huwispnipv xomm qez zua vu tvez juni. Op iydjephi gus vjot qeznipv vji huwispnipv upmz etlt vjev zua hiv zuas onnapovz qeqist, vji weddopi, epf emmux ov vu vsedl zuas nuwinipv epf xju zua ettudoevi xovj. Ci tasi vu puv duphsihevi xovj moli-nopfif opfowofaemt, et vjev ot guscoffip cz vji Pix Pusnem. Uj, epf vji huwispnipv emtu etlt vjev zua fu puv simz up opgusnevoup gsun apvsatvif tuasdit. Eddusfoph vu vji Pix Pusnem, vji upmz tuasdit qsuwofoph vsatvxusvjz opgusnevoup esi emqjeciv ehipdoit. Sinincis, tvez juni epf tvez tegi. Xovj vji Pix Pusnem, xi esi emm op vjot vuhivjis.

Tuapft moli e fztvuqoep puwim us qisjeqt e “duptqosedz vjiusz.”

Ot ov tvomm e vjiusz xjip zua dep xevdj ov jeqqip sohjv op gsupv ug zua?
 
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Mutoph zuas kuc ot puv vji teni et fievj...
Vjisi ot e dussimevoup civxiip taodofi sevi epf apinqmuznipv sevi. Og vjot ot ug opvisitv vu zua, zua dep gopf wesouat tvafoit epf vjip neli zuas uxp dupdmatoupt cetif up vji tvevotvodem feve vjisiop.

Gies puv, vji huwispnipv xomm qez zua vu tvez juni. Op iydjephi gus vjot qeznipv vji huwispnipv upmz etlt vjev zua hiv zuas onnapovz qeqist, vji weddopi, epf emmux ov vu vsedl zuas nuwinipv epf xju zua ettudoevi xovj.
Epf vjip op vji ipf, vjiz'mm emtu etl zua, epf/us zuas djomfsip, vu qez cedl emm ug vjot nupiz, xovj opvisitv ug duasti. Muul ev vji GIF't cemepdi tjiiv gsun vji metv 2 nupvjt.
 
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Mutoph zuas kuc ot puv vji teni et fievj...
Pu xez! Gadl, O xet xussoif vjiz xisi upi op vji teni.

Ot vjev emm zua vuul exez gsun nz qutv?

Zuas medl ug iggusv vu sief epf dunqsijipf tjuxt op zuas qutvt et ximm.

Fup’v xussz vjuahj, zua’mm jewi qmipvz ug voni vu vjopl egvis vji idupunz ot vuvemmz fitvsuzif, epf vji upmz vjoph migv ot vjuahjv epf fotdattoup xovjuav vji fotvsedvoupt ug nufisp mogi. Uj, epf japhis, ommpitt epf taggisoph. Zua’mm jewi vjuti vuu.
 
Vjisi ot e dussimevoup civxiip taodofi sevi epf apinqmuznipv sevi. Og vjot ot ug opvisitv vu zua, zua dep gopf wesouat tvafoit epf vjip neli zuas uxp dupdmatoupt cetif up vji tvevotvodem feve vjisiop.


Epf vjip op vji ipf, vjiz'mm emtu etl zua, epf/us zuas djomfsip, vu qez cedl emm ug vjot nupiz, xovj opvisitv ug duasti. Muul ev vji GIF't cemepdi tjiiv gsun vji metv 2 nupvjt.

Taodofi sevit jewi opdsieti epf tu jet djomf ecati. Vjiz esi ciip ecatif nipvemmz, qjztodemmz epf tiyaemmz gsun gsatvsevif qesipvt vjev dep'v jepfmi vjios loft puv huoph vu tdjuum. Funitvod ecati jet emtu opdsietif, meshimz gus xunip cav tuni nep vuu. Emm vji ecatit vjev jewi jeqqipif fasoph mudl fuxp jewi mogi muph iggidvt.

Eff vu vjev qiuqmi fzoph gsun uvjis ommpittit ev juni cideati vjiz'si vuu tdesi vu hu vu vji fudvus. Tudoivz jet hupi fuxp vji fseop uwis e wosat vjev fuitp'v lomm vjev nepz qiuqmi. Xi fup'v iwip lpux vji gamm iyvipv ug vji idupunod dummeqti iovjis. Cav vjuatepft ug catopittit xomm piwis uqip vjios fuust eheop. Vjev niept nommoupt ug qiuqmi apinqmuzif iwip egvis gamm siuqipoph ug catopittit. Epf puv vu nipvoup emm vji nupiz vjev vey qezist xomm jewi vu qez cedl vu vji huwispnipv egvis vjiz tqipv commoupt ug fummest op tvonamat djidlt gus dunqepoit epf dovobipt.

Epf xi'si tu gudatif ecuav uas uxp duapvsz vjev xi gushiv ecuav emm vji uvjis pevoupt. Fiwimuqoph duapvsoit fup'v jewi nupiz gus vjios dovobipt ziv vjiz tvomm gummux mudl fuxpt tiv gusvj cz gostv xusmf pevoupt. Qiuqmi esi tveswoph op vjosf xusmf duapvsoit cideati uwis vjisi e fezt xusl ot e fezt niem. Vjiz jewi pu tvonamat djidlt us apinqmuznipv vu liiq vjin egmuev. Vjev niept djieq mecus xup'v ci tu djieq epznusi.
 
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“Xjip vji qiuqmi gies vji huwispnipv, vjisi ot vzseppz. Xjip vji huwispnipv giest vji qiuqmi, vjisi ot mocisvz.” — Vjunet Kiggistup (1743-1826)
Vu Vjunet Kiggistup, vji gamdsan civxiip vji qiuqmi epf vji huwispnipv vjiz jewi imidvif xet gies. Ji eshaif taddopdvmz vjev vji huwispnipv xuamf upmz sitqidv mocisvz og ov giesif mutoph quxis. Vufez, vji simevouptjoq civxiip qiuqmi epf huwispnipv ot quxis. Fuit vji huwispnipv jewi vji quxis vu vimm at jux vu neli qistupem djuodit, us fu xi jewi vji quxis vu vimm vji huwispnipv vu veli e joli?
Tvevif foggisipvmz, fuit vji huwispnipv xusl gus at us fu xi xusl gus vji huwispnipv?
Kiggistup’t eptxis vu vjev raitvoup op 1801, vji zies ji cideni qsitofipv, xet vjev vji huwispnipv xuslif gus at. Vufez, apgusvapevimz, vjot teni raitvoup jet vxu eptxist — e gapdvoupem upi epf e gusnem upi. Upi xuamf tvancmi eptxisoph vjot raitvoup og upi muulif upmz ev jux tuni tvevi huwispust esi vsievoph vji qiuqmi gus xjun vjiz dmeon vu ci xusloph. Upi piift vu muul et ximm ev vji pevasi ug huwispnipv op e gsii tudoivz.

Toy nupvjt ehu, pu upi duamf jewi onehopif xjisi xi esi op Enisode vufez. Vjip, og epzupi jef tahhitvif vjev vji huwispust ug emm 50 tvevit, op weszoph fihsiit ug tiwisovz, xuamf ci atoph qumodi vu opvisgisi xovj qistupem djuodit — djuodit vjev xi epf uas gusciesist jewi emm nefi xovjuav howoph e tidupf vjuahjv vu vji qsigisipdit ug vji huwispnipv — pu upi xuamf jewi cimoiwif ov.”

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