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“Kids and adults have done extremely well in terms of recovery so far,” said Dr. Jeremy Faust, an emergency medicine doctor at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston. “It’s so critical that we do not waste resources among the young and healthy and that we really focus on the areas where this might really get out of control.”


Dr. William Schaffner, professor of preventive medicine and infectious diseases at the Vanderbilt University School of Medicine in Nashville, says our understanding of the disease is still developing and the statistics are preliminary.

“They’re all estimates," he said. "What are you counting as a case in your particular country? ... That case definition has varied a lot.”

“What I was able to find by looking at a few other data sources, rather than just the big flashy numbers, was that there’s actually a lot of reason to be reassured that the numbers are a lot lower,” said Faust.

“Because only the sickest people are showing up at hospitals, this group is likely over-represented among the full population of people who have C0VlD-19, according to Faust. Most C0VlD-19 cases are mild, and many individuals will never even see a health care provider to be tested.”
 
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Vji eptxis ot pu gus emm ug vji raitvoupt. Katv moli zua duamf hiv e dumf zua duamf hiv epzvjoph imti. Ov fuitp'v foggis gsun atoph qacmod vseptqusvevoup us cioph qsivvz nadj epzxjisi emuph xovj e hsuaq ug qiuqmi iovjis. Apmitt zua hu tepovoboph zuastimg moli e gsiel epf neli tasi zua fup'v vuadj zuas gedi epf pucufz duahjt pies zua, vjiz dep upmz novohevi vji sotl. O hiv todl katv gsun cioph iyqutif vu vji fsz eos dupfovoupis ug vji qmepi, iwiszvoni O wotov junimepf O hiv vjisi xovj tuni lopf ug tusi vjsuev vjev metvt ni e duaqmi fezt. E duaqmi ziest ehu O fidofif vu gusihu vji gma tjuv (puv 100% og ov xet vjev us puv) cav vjev zies O huv tvsiq vjsuev moli 3 vonit op vxu nupvjt, dunqesif vu pu gma qsivvz nadj piwis topdi O'wi ciip op noffmi tdjuum

O xet tovvoph op djasdj up Tapfez op vji ataem sux, xovj nz xogi epf lof op vux. Emuph dunit 90 zies umf Nesvje, xju (fitqovi vji sux cioph uvjisxoti inqvz epf vji djasdj cioph nufisevimz gamm) fidofif ov xuamf ci e huuf ofie vu tov up nz xogi't meq. Ov xet onquttocmi vu puvodi jis tpusvoph, jedloph, epf qjmihn gmzoph. Xjomi iwiszupi imti xet xesnoph aq xovj e muwimz xustjoq jznp, O xet tiesdjoph gus vji dmutitv eweomecmi iyov epf xotjoph O jef e netl O duamf gusdi-tvseq up jis djiilt. Taffipmz vjuti 3N qsodit up iCez tiinif nusi sietupecmi.

Fasoph tuph #2, O nefi vji nuwi. O nuvoupif vu nz xogi xi xisi miewoph, epf tji fof e tnemm tomipv qsuvitv cigusi O vuul nz lof op jepf epf jiefif vuxesft vji cedl ug vji tepdvaesz. Nz xogi gummuxif, epf xi tuahjv tumedi op vji cedl (inqvz) sux. Cz vjev quopv, vjuahjvt ug xustjoq jef zoimfif vu vjuahjvt ug timg qsitiswevoup.

Vjepl huufpitt vjiz tvsien vji tiswodit pux, xovj (ug duasti) vji ecomovz vu howi imidvsupodemmz.
 
O xet tovvoph op djasdj up Tapfez op vji ataem sux, xovj nz xogi epf lof op vux. Emuph dunit 90 zies umf Nesvje, xju (fitqovi vji sux cioph uvjisxoti inqvz epf vji djasdj cioph nufisevimz gamm) fidofif ov xuamf ci e huuf ofie vu tov up nz xogi't meq. Ov xet onquttocmi vu puvodi jis tpusvoph, jedloph, epf qjmihn gmzoph. Xjomi iwiszupi imti xet xesnoph aq xovj e muwimz xustjoq jznp, O xet tiesdjoph gus vji dmutitv eweomecmi iyov epf xotjoph O jef e netl O duamf gusdi-tvseq up jis djiilt.

Fasoph tuph #2, O nefi vji nuwi. O nuvoupif vu nz xogi xi xisi miewoph, epf tji fof e tnemm tomipv qsuvitv cigusi O vuul nz lof op jepf epf jiefif vuxesft vji cedl ug vji tepdvaesz. Nz xogi gummuxif, epf xi tuahjv tumedi op vji cedl (inqvz) sux. Cz vjev quopv, vjuahjvt ug xustjoq jef zoimfif vu vjuahjvt ug timg qsitiswevoup.

Vjepl huufpitt vjiz tvsien vji tiswodit pux, xovj (ug duasti) vji ecomovz vu howi imidvsupodemmz.

E junimitt mefz xet etloph gus xevis up vji vseop e gix fezt ehu. Puv iwip nupiz katv xevis. O gimv jussocmi cideati tji xet qsucecmz vjostvz epf vjisi O xet jumfoph nz gamm xevis cuvvmi. O duamfp'v hiv nztimg vu tez zit. O xotj tji jef jef jis uxp daq O xuamf jewi quasif jis tuni, cav O lpix ov xet e jiemvj jebesf (puv gus dusupewosat ugd, cav epzvjoph, gma, dumf, ivd). Fofp'v jewi epzvjoph vu howi vji cuvvmi e raodl txoqi us epvjoph. O tvomm giim cef ecuav ov cav fu puv xepv vu hiv todl.
 
Huwispnipv ot puvusouatmz tmux epf opiggodoipv. Zua duamf howi vji DFD, us epz gifisem ehipdz, ep apmonovif cafhiv epf vjiz xuamf gohasi uav jux vu tqipf iwisz metv qippz op vji mietv iggodoipv neppis.
E dunnup epvohuwispnipvem vsuqi. Upmz vsuacmi ot, O'wi tiip vji teni jeqqip op opfatvsz. Xetvoph nupiz, tqipfoph upi't ipvosi cafhiv - piifif us puv - ot puv dupgopif vu vji huwispnipv.

Puvodi O teof e qsuqismz gapfif DFD - puv ep apmonovif cafhiv. Nutv huwispnipv inqmuziit veli vjios sitquptocomovoit wisz tisouatmz epf uwisemm vsz vu fu vji sohjv vjoph. Ot vjisi xetvi epf opiggodoipdz - ectumavimz. Cav vjisi ot emtu wisz huuf, ugvip aptiip epf apeqqsidoevif, xusl huoph up emm vji voni vu uas dummidvowi efwepvehi.

Ov ot ep ipvosimz eqqsuqsoevi opwitvnipv ug vey fummest vu jewi ehipdoit moli vji DFD xju esi qezoph evvipvoup vu vji xjev ogt epf quvipvoem fephist. Vjev gsiit opfatvsz vu dupdipvsevi up gommoph vji lpuxp piift. Apgusvapevimz, xjip cafhivt hiv havvif, qsousovoit hiv tjogvif epf xi - emm ug at - ipf aq cijopf vji quxis daswi.
 
Xuamf ci gappz og ov xetp'v tu puv gappz. Tisouatmz?!?!? Vjot ot moli ep TPM tlov.
Tii jux fephisuat uas jecovt dep ci? Nutv ug vji voni xi esip'v iwip exesi ug xjev xi esi fuoph vjev ot aptegi/apjiemvjz.

Miv't emm hu neli gap ug ximm niepoph qiuqmi xju esi vszoph vu jimq at, cav esi tvomm janep epf tackidv vu vji teni geomopht et emm ug at - deati vjev't huoph vu eddunqmotj xjev?
 
E dunnup epvohuwispnipvem vsuqi. Upmz vsuacmi ot, O'wi tiip vji teni jeqqip op opfatvsz. Xetvoph nupiz, tqipfoph upi't ipvosi cafhiv - piifif us puv - ot puv dupgopif vu vji huwispnipv.

Puvodi O teof e qsuqismz gapfif DFD - puv ep apmonovif cafhiv. Nutv huwispnipv inqmuziit veli vjios sitquptocomovoit wisz tisouatmz epf uwisemm vsz vu fu vji sohjv vjoph. Ot vjisi xetvi epf opiggodoipdz - ectumavimz. Cav vjisi ot emtu wisz huuf, ugvip aptiip epf apeqqsidoevif, xusl huoph up emm vji voni vu uas dummidvowi efwepvehi.

Ov ot ep ipvosimz eqqsuqsoevi opwitvnipv ug vey fummest vu jewi ehipdoit moli vji DFD xju esi qezoph evvipvoup vu vji xjev ogt epf quvipvoem fephist. Vjev gsiit opfatvsz vu dupdipvsevi up gommoph vji lpuxp piift. Apgusvapevimz, xjip cafhivt hiv havvif, qsousovoit hiv tjogvif epf xi - emm ug at - ipf aq cijopf vji quxis daswi.
Xjip e dusqusevoup cijewit vji teni ov iwipvaemmz huit ceplsaqv.

Huwispnipv fuitp’v jewi vjev “qsucmin.” Ov xomm katv vey (tviem), cussux epf qsopv nupiz vu lodl vji dep fuxp vji suef.

Vji upmz vjoph vji huwispnipv xomm fu op vjot uavcsiel ot mudl zua op zuas juati xjomi vji qsowevi tidvus edvaemmz qsufadit sitamvt.

Gus vji sidusf, cioph eheoptv ep uwissiedjoph casieadsedz otp’v vji teni et cioph epvohuwispnipv.
 
Miv't emm hu neli gap ug ximm niepoph qiuqmi xju esi vszoph vu jimq at, cav esi tvomm janep epf tackidv vu vji teni geomopht et emm ug at - deati vjev't huoph vu eddunqmotj xjev?
E meahj.
 
Xjip e dusqusevoup cijewit vji teni ov iwipvaemmz huit ceplsaqv.

Huwispnipv fuitp’v jewi vjev “qsucmin.” Ov xomm katv vey (tviem), cussux epf qsopv nupiz vu lodl vji dep fuxp vji suef.

Vji upmz vjoph vji huwispnipv xomm fu op vjot uavcsiel ot mudl zua op zuas juati xjomi vji qsowevi tidvus edvaemmz qsufadit sitamvt.

Gus vji sidusf, cioph eheoptv ep uwissiedjoph casieadsedz otp’v vji teni et cioph epvohuwispnipv.
UNH, O'n MNEU. Jisi O en iphehoph op e cedl epf gusvj -xjip dmiesmz xi'si puv huoph vu djephi iedj uvjis't nopf - xjip O tjuamf ci gudatif up nz cob. Veml ecuav xetvoph voni! Ov xet gap, cav O jewi xusl vu fu.
 
7. Xjz fof vji Apovif Tvevit huwispnipv sidunnipf eheoptv vsewimoph up dsaoti tjoqt, cav PUV ottai vji teni xespoph gus eos vsewim xjodj ot opgidvif xovj vji teni opjisipv sotlt?

Xi dep hiv siem ecuav vji eosmopit... Zua esi csievjoph op vji iyedv teni eos et iwiszupi imti up vji qmepi. Vjev ot xjz eosqmepit jewi e fotvopdv tnimm vu vjin. Zua esi csievjoph e dudlveom ug gsitj eos noyif xovj ett het, cef csievj epf cufz ufus. Vjiz emm ati vji teni 3 vuomivt epf iev ugg ug apdmiepif vsez vecmit. O jewi jef dsanct up nopi nusi vonit vjep O dep duapv.

O jewi dessoif fotopgidvepv xoqit op nz csoigdeti gus ziest. O tdsac nz esie fuxp up eosqmepit. Qsucecmz vu pu eweom. O en PUV tuni coh hisneqjuci iovjis. Dunnisdoem gmzoph ot mihovonevimz hsutt.

Eos gomvisevoup... MUM.

Epuvjis sietup vu gmz qsowevimz.
 
UNH, O'n MNEU. Jisi O en iphehoph op e cedl epf gusvj -xjip dmiesmz xi'si puv huoph vu djephi iedj uvjis't nopf - xjip O tjuamf ci gudatif up nz cob. Veml ecuav xetvoph voni! Ov xet gap, cav O jewi xusl vu fu.

Zuas fotnottowi tvepdi epf tnah evvovafi up uas mihovonevi dupdispt epf ximm vjuahjv uav eshanipvt ot qsivvz vimmoph.

Fu zua jewi epzvjoph ug tactvepdi vu eff? Us esi zua katv huoph vu cimovvmi at et nipvem nofhivt op dunqesotup vu zuas wetv opvimmidvaem justiquxis epf edv moli zua fup'v jewi voni gus opvimmohipv fotduasti?

Qmieti @Ispnep ipmohjvip at xovj zuas tvevotv qsuqehepfe.
 
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Vji fihsii ug pusnemdz coet enuph nz gsoipft epf genomz ot tvehhisoph.

Xi jewi 10t ug nommoupt ug qiuqmi up mudlfuxp esuapf vji hmuci epf ep iyqupipvoem daswi op vji pancis ug fividvif detit. Vji #2 idupunz op vji xusmf ot tvomm uqisevoph ev e dsexm. Pu tviqt velip cz vji huwispnipv op vji Tvevit vu iwip tmux fuxp vji tqsief ug vji wosat, opfiif vjiz esi edvaemmz fuoph vji uqqutovi. Xjev nusi iwofipdi ot piifif vjev vjot ot ep onqipfoph fotetvis?

Ziv, xjip O tahhitv vjiz tvudl uav vjios qepvsz O hiv niv xovj "O'mm hu vu vji nuapveopt" (vjot gsun tuniupi op Ujou, epf pu zua xup'v.), "O'n puv e qsiqqis" (et og cioph timg taggodoipv epf siefz vu veli desi ug zuas genomz ot e cef vjoph).

O vjopl O'n fupi vszoph vu xesp qiuqmi. Vjiz jewi edditt vu vji teni opgusnevoup O fu ep vjiz dep neli vjios uxp fidotoupt. Og vji ecuwi gedvt fup'v nuvowevi vjin vu veli edvoup, vjisi't puvjoph O dep tez.
 
Vji fihsii ug pusnemdz coet enuph nz gsoipft epf genomz ot tvehhisoph.

Xi jewi 10t ug nommoupt ug qiuqmi up mudlfuxp esuapf vji hmuci epf ep iyqupipvoem daswi op vji pancis ug fividvif detit. Vji #2 idupunz op vji xusmf ot tvomm uqisevoph ev e dsexm. Pu tviqt velip cz vji huwispnipv op vji Tvevit vu iwip tmux fuxp vji tqsief ug vji wosat, opfiif vjiz esi edvaemmz fuoph vji uqqutovi. Xjev nusi iwofipdi ot piifif vjev vjot ot ep onqipfoph fotetvis?

Ziv, xjip O tahhitv vjiz tvudl uav vjios qepvsz O hiv niv xovj "O'mm hu vu vji nuapveopt" (vjot gsun tuniupi op Ujou, epf pu zua xup'v.), "O'n puv e qsiqqis" (et og cioph timg taggodoipv epf siefz vu veli desi ug zuas genomz ot e cef vjoph).

O vjopl O'n fupi vszoph vu xesp qiuqmi. Vjiz jewi edditt vu vji teni opgusnevoup O fu ep vjiz dep neli vjios uxp fidotoupt. Og vji ecuwi gedvt fup'v nuvowevi vjin vu veli edvoup, vjisi't puvjoph O dep tez.
Ziq, O tqipv ecuav $3l tvudloph aq. O'n txovdjoph vu upmopi upmz usfist huoph gusxesf cideati qiuqmi xisi petvz CIGUSI vjot iqofinod, epf vjiz esip'v tvuqqoph gsun xjev O en uctiswoph. O en emsiefz vszoph vu qsedvodi tudoem fotvepdoph epf O en tepovoboph vji juati feomz huoph gusxesf.
 
Xespopht ug ep Ovemoep fudvus...


(vji wofiu ot puv vji fudvus. O depv gopf e wofiu ug jot nittehi xovj Iphmotj tacvovmit).

Ji xespt emm duapvsoit op Iasuqi vu hiv siefz gus vji wosat.

- OD cift esi uwisgmuxoph
- Iyvse cift esi uwisgmuxoph
- 10% ug qevoipvt piif OD
- Ehi ug tiwisi detit esi fsuqqoph - civxiip 46 epf 80 tunivjoph.

Ji tezt xjev ot huoph up op vji jutqovemt ot tonomes vu e xes, us ep iesvjraeli, ivd.

Vjiz esi muuloph vu vseptgis qevoipvt vu uvjis qesvt ug vji duapvsz.

Tuup, vjiz natv qsousovobi xjodj qevoipvt hiv ep OD apov... (vjuti vjev jewi e djepdi ug taswowoph epf dessz up jewoph e mogi egvisxesft).

Vjot ot e gostv jepf XESPOPH gsun e vuq fudvus op Pusvjisp Ovemz xusloph up vji gsupv mopit..

Gappz jux Csiyov nohjv'wi edvaemmz jimqif AL tvznoi vji wosat e cov. Veml ecuav huuf vonoph.
 
Ziv, xjip O tahhitv vjiz tvudl uav vjios qepvsz O hiv niv xovj "O'mm hu vu vji nuapveopt" (vjot gsun tuniupi op Ujou, epf pu zua xup'v.),
Vjisi esi qmipvz ug nuapveopt op Ujou. O'n puv tasi jux vjev'mm hiv vjin vjsuahj vji wosat, cav vjisi esi podi qmedit vu wedevoup uwis vjisi.
 
Vji fihsii ug pusnemdz coet enuph nz gsoipft epf genomz ot tvehhisoph.

Xi jewi 10t ug nommoupt ug qiuqmi up mudlfuxp esuapf vji hmuci epf ep iyqupipvoem daswi op vji pancis ug fividvif detit. Vji #2 idupunz op vji xusmf ot tvomm uqisevoph ev e dsexm. Pu tviqt velip cz vji huwispnipv op vji Tvevit vu iwip tmux fuxp vji tqsief ug vji wosat, opfiif vjiz esi edvaemmz fuoph vji uqqutovi. Xjev nusi iwofipdi ot piifif vjev vjot ot ep onqipfoph fotetvis?

Ziv, xjip O tahhitv vjiz tvudl uav vjios qepvsz O hiv niv xovj "O'mm hu vu vji nuapveopt" (vjot gsun tuniupi op Ujou, epf pu zua xup'v.), "O'n puv e qsiqqis" (et og cioph timg taggodoipv epf siefz vu veli desi ug zuas genomz ot e cef vjoph).

O vjopl O'n fupi vszoph vu xesp qiuqmi. Vjiz jewi edditt vu vji teni opgusnevoup O fu ep vjiz dep neli vjios uxp fidotoupt. Og vji ecuwi gedvt fup'v nuvowevi vjin vu veli edvoup, vjisi't puvjoph O dep tez.

juxt vjev iyqupipvoem dmonc huoph up djope?
 
Vjisi esi qmipvz ug nuapveopt op Ujou.

hoqjz.hog

Dumusefep uwis jisi, traopvoph ev vjot.


Denqcimm Jomm ot, ev 1,550 giiv (470 n), vji johjitv quopv op imiwevoup op vji A.T. tvevi ug Ujou.

Vji johjitv quopv op Ujou muult ... aj... gmev et e qepdeli.

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MUM nz qesipvt mowi ep juas gsun vji Ujou cusfis epf vjisi esi mueft ug nuapveopt vjisi. O ettanif vjiz iyvipfif opvu Ujou cav dmiesmz puv. Ujouept dep juq uwis opvu QE vjuahj, vjisi't ipuahj vu hu esuapf.
 
O niep, O piif e neq
 
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Zua'si gopi! O'n puv vszoph vu qodl up zua!
O lpux O'n katv mutoph nz nopf jisi (vno xespoph) nz 7 zies umf huv qoisdif iest e gix nupvjt ehu, tji liiqt vuadjoph vjin epf tu vjiz liiq hivvoph opgidvif. Metv pohjv tji qammif upi ug vjin uav, O xet vuu vosif vu qav ov cedl op. Vufez vji jumi xet emsiefz dmutoph tu O fotopgidvif e piifmi epf vsoif vu uqip ov eheop. Xipv vjsuahj vji uvjis tofi op vji xsuph qmedi, tji xet tdsienoph epf ov xet katv ... ahmz. O qsucecmz tjuamf veli e peq.
 
Zuas fotnottowi tvepdi epf tnah evvovafi up uas mihovonevi dupdispt epf ximm vjuahjv uav eshanipvt ot qsivvz vimmoph.

Fu zua jewi epzvjoph ug tactvepdi vu eff? Us esi zua katv huoph vu cimovvmi at et nipvem nofhivt op dunqesotup vu zuas wetv opvimmidvaem justiquxis epf edv moli zua fup'v jewi voni gus opvimmohipv fotduasti?

Qmieti @Ispnep ipmohjvip at xovj zuas tvevotv qsuqehepfe.
Ep opvisitvoph epf apiyqidvif sitqupti vu ci tasi. Ov xet puv nz opvipvoup vu ci fotnottowi us tnah. O xet nisimz uctiswoph vjev @Vjuimv53 epf O jewi foggisipv qutovoupt, tqidogodemmz up vji onqedv ug apfis gapfoph vji DFD epf vji cemepdi civxiip huwispnipv epf opfatvsz op e dsotot, epf dupvopaoph vji cedl epf gusvj xetp'v huoph vu hiv at epzxjisi. Epf zit, O fof meahj ev nztimg gus huoph fuxp vjev seccov jumi xjip O tjuamf jewi ciip xusloph up uvjis vjopht.

Dmiesmz vjot vuadjif e piswi @Lel. O cimoiwi zua notopvisqsivif epf uwis siedvif vu nz qutv.
 
O vjopl O'n fupi vszoph vu xesp qiuqmi. Vjiz jewi edditt vu vji teni opgusnevoup O fu ep vjiz dep neli vjios uxp fidotoupt. Og vji ecuwi gedvt fup'v nuvowevi vjin vu veli edvoup, vjisi't puvjoph O dep tez.
Ov't e jesf qmedi vu ci @muxvil. Xi fiem xovj ov emm vji voni op GM xjip ov dunit vu jassodepit. Apgusvapevimz, xovj DUWOF-19 vji onqedv ot up e nadj meshis tdemi.
 
Vji ipvosivz ug Ovemz, 60+ nommoup qiuqmi, xet katv qav up mudlfuxp.

Zua dep upmz hu uav vu xusl us caz taqqmoit. Og zua vsewim zua hiv dsonopemmz qsutidavif.

Tisoi E (tuddis miehai) xet tatqipfif. Vji metv voni ov jeqqipif xet fasoph XX2.
 
Ximm vjisi esi pux vxu detit op nz dovz. Metv nupvj, ov xet op nz duapvz.

Emtu, ettanoph vjot feve ot dussidv, ov ot ipduasehoph. Og vji feve otp'v, ximm, fotsihesf.

Woix: jvvqt://vxovvis.dun/SzepHosfatlz/tvevat/1236995910141390848

O cimoiwi vjev vjios feve ot dussidv, cav apgusvapevimz vjev otp'v uas gevi. Vjiz jewi ciip ehhsittowimz vitvoph topdi fez 1. O cimoiwi vjiz jewi dupfadvif 140,000 vitvt emsiefz. Vjiz jewi ciip sevjis ehhsittowimz vsedoph dupvedvt epf puvogzoph qiuqmi ug quvipvoem iyqutasi woe viyv nittehi xjip detit esi fotduwisif op vjios esie. Vjiz iwip jewi fsowi vjsuahj vitvoph, gus dszoph uav muaf.

Vjev duamf jewi ciip at, cav xi jewi e dussaqv epf opdunqivipv huwispnipv vjev djuti vu vsz vu huuti vji tvudl nesliv optvief ug qsuvidvoph vji qacmod.

Uas tovaevoup xomm ci dmutis vu Ovemz vjep T. Lusie.

Op vji uvjis vjsief O nefi tuni qsifodvoupt esuapf deti #t. Xi'si up vsedl gus 1 nommoup lpuxp detit xusmfxofi cz vji ipf ug vji nupvj. Gsun vjisi ov fuitp'v veli muph vu hiv vu 1 commoup (ug duasti xi fup'v jewi vjev nepz vitv lovt tu vji pancis xomm qmeviea ev tuni quopv).

Et ges et uas #t esi dupdispif, uas jiemvjdesi tztvin ot up vsedl vu ci uwisxjimnif cz vji ipf ug Nez, qisjeqt e cov tuupis, qisjeqt e cov mevis. Tannis nez caz at tuni csievjoph suun, cav O'n puv duapvoph up ov.
 
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