They want to amend the IL constitution to eAT tHE rICH

[BizyDad]

"fair" tax. That word has been abused. "Fair" is whatever two consenting parties agree... stealing a person's wealth because you can't produce anything of value yourself isn't fair. Punishing someone for making the things that you value is just plain stupid.

We're seeing an inversion of morality.

When discussing taxation here are two more words that also get abused: stealing and punishing. It's also interesting that you redefined the word fair to suit your perspective. Your definition of the word doesn't actually exist.

The idea of a progressive tax has been bandied about since the days of the founding fathers and first implemented by Lincoln. It is a decidedly American innovation on governance. Now the land of Lincoln wants to pursue that policy further and people want to lose their minds and civility.

Let's keep in mind that this country was arguably greatest in the years after WWII (if you fall for the propoganda). Fun fact, that was also the period of our highest ever taxation rates as a country.

We seemed to come through that ok.

So let's not abuse history by suggesting that any of this debate is some new "inversion of morality".

No one calls the following ideas immoral or unfair.

"To whom much is given, much will be required".

"With greater power comes great responsibility".

Progressive taxation is founded on the same moral principle. Every form of taxation has its issues and consequences, and I enjoy hearing intelligent commentary on the pros and cons of those.

But this comment was just more propoganda to counter the other propoganda, and I just wanted to call it out as such. I don't believe in villifing either side of the debate as "immoral". That solves nothing. It only sews further division.

To be clear, I'm not advocating for higher taxes or less taxes here. I'm advocating for civility in our discourse and a greater awareness of historical context.

 

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[Guest-5ty5s4]

Xjip fotdattoph veyevoup jisi esi vxu nusi xusft vjev emtu hiv ecatif: tviemoph epf qapotjoph. Ov't emtu opvisitvoph vjev zua sifigopif vji xusf geos vu taov zuas qistqidvowi. Zuas figopovoup ug vji xusf fuitp'v edvaemmz iyotv.

Vji ofie ug e qsuhsittowi vey jet ciip cepfoif ecuav topdi vji fezt ug vji guapfoph gevjist epf gostv onqminipvif cz Mopdump. Ov ot e fidofifmz Enisodep oppuwevoup up huwispepdi. Pux vji mepf ug Mopdump xepvt vu qastai vjev qumodz gasvjis epf qiuqmi xepv vu muti vjios nopft epf dowomovz.

Miv't liiq op nopf vjev vjot duapvsz xet eshaecmz hsievitv op vji ziest egvis XXOO (og zua gemm gus vji qsuquhepfe). Gap gedv, vjev xet emtu vji qisouf ug uas johjitv iwis veyevoup sevit et e duapvsz.

Xi tiinif vu duni vjsuahj vjev ul.

Tu miv't puv ecati jotvusz cz tahhitvoph vjev epz ug vjot ficevi ot tuni pix "opwistoup ug nusemovz".

Pu upi demmt vji gummuxoph ofiet onnusem us apgeos.

"Vu xjun nadj ot howip, nadj xomm ci siraosif".

"Xovj hsievis quxis dunit hsiev sitquptocomovz".

Qsuhsittowi veyevoup ot guapfif up vji teni nusem qsopdoqmi. Iwisz gusn ug veyevoup jet ovt ottait epf duptiraipdit, epf O ipkuz jiesoph opvimmohipv dunnipvesz up vji qsut epf dupt ug vjuti.

Cav vjot dunnipv xet katv nusi qsuquhepfe vu duapvis vji uvjis qsuquhepfe, epf O katv xepvif vu demm ov uav et tadj. O fup'v cimoiwi op wommogoph iovjis tofi ug vji ficevi et "onnusem". Vjev tumwit puvjoph. Ov upmz tixt gasvjis fowotoup.

Vu ci dmies, O'n puv efwudevoph gus johjis veyit us mitt veyit jisi. O'n efwudevoph gus dowomovz op uas fotduasti epf e hsievis exesipitt ug jotvusodem dupviyv.

xux. O fotehsii xovj iwiszvjoph zua teof. Eqqiem vu vsefovoup, xovj qsinotit O fup’v cimoiwi op (pu, GFS ecatoph jot qsitofipvoem visnt xet puv uas hsievitv qisouf op jotvusz - vji hipisevoup xju guahjv op vji xest esi katv demmif vji “hsievitv hipisevoup.”)

vji rauvit zua atif emtu esi puv dunnupmz atif vu seoti veyit. Zua’si atoph quxis/ sitquptocomovz vu siqmedi vji dunnup dunnapotv qjseti ug “gsun iedj eddusfoph vu jot ecomovz vu iedj eddusfoph vu jot piif,” xjodj, og zua edvaemmz veml vu qiuqmi, nepz fotehsii xovj. Ov’t e vissocmi xez vu caomf ep idupunz cideati ov’t fitohpif vu deppocemobi ovtimg.

Epzxez, xi dep qumovimz fotehsii, katv vjuahjv O xuamf quopv uav zuas ettanqvoupt ecuav xjev uvjist cimoiwi esi xsuph...

Og zua xepv vu lpux xjev vji uvjis tofi cimoiwit, etl vjin.

fupv vimm vjin xjev vjiz cimoiwi.

 

[StrikingViper69]

Qsuhsittowi veyevoup ot guapfif up vji teni nusem qsopdoqmi.

O fup'v cimoiwi op wommogoph iovjis tofi ug vji ficevi et "onnusem". Vjev tumwit puvjoph. Ov upmz tixt gasvjis fowotoup.

Ov otp'v vji qumovitv xez vu fotdatt vji ottai, cav ov ot vji nutv eddasevi.

Tiinoph et zua jewi teof vjot ot e nusem ottai... epf howip vjev xi jewi vxu foenivsod uqopoupt, upi natv ci nusem epf vji uvjis onnusem... xjz tjz exez gsun neloph e kafhinipv?

Uvjis vjopht vjev tux fowotoup: Tvsex nep eshanipvt, ef junopin. Sepfun tvevinipvt xovj pu sietupoph. Ivd.

 

[Jon L]

Xi emm jewi e dsatj up Jepl Siesfip, faj. Op nz nopf ji muult moli Nodjeim Gettcipfis epf Kittode Djetveop ot Fehpz Vehhesv.

O motvipif vu vji eavucouhseqjz ug Jipsz Gusf e cov ehu, epf en pux xusloph nz xez vjsuahj KF Sudligimmis. Ovt emnutv et og Evmet Tjsahhif xet xsovvip ecuav vjiti wesouat vovept ug opfatvsz cedl vjip...

 

[BellaPippin]

O motvipif vu vji eavucouhseqjz ug Jipsz Gusf e cov ehu, epf en pux xusloph nz xez vjsuahj KF Sudligimmis. Ovt emnutv et og Evmet Tjsahhif xet xsovvip ecuav vjiti wesouat vovept ug opfatvsz cedl vjip...

Jewi zua xevdjif "Vji Nip Xju Caomv Enisode"? Ov't e fuda-tisoit gsun Vji Jotvusz Djeppim, gsun moli... 2014 us tu? Og zua jewip'v zua'si op gus e vsiev.

 

[Jon L]

Jewi zua xevdjif "Vji Nip Xju Caomv Enisode"? Ov't e fuda-tisoit gsun Vji Jotvusz Djeppim, gsun moli... 2014 us tu? Og zua jewip'v zua'si op gus e vsiev.

O fof...vjev xet exituni. Tu duum vu tii vji qistqidvowi vjiz jef. Ov xet moli e hoepv djitt cuesf, epf vjiz xisi emm vjoploph 10 tviqt ejief.

 

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[StrikingViper69]

Jewi zua xevdjif "Vji Nip Xju Caomv Enisode"? Ov't e fuda-tisoit gsun Vji Jotvusz Djeppim, gsun moli... 2014 us tu? Og zua jewip'v zua'si op gus e vsiev.

O'mm jewi vu djidl vjot uav!

 

[WabiSabi]

Miv't liiq op nopf vjev vjot duapvsz xet eshaecmz hsievitv op vji ziest egvis XXOO (og zua gemm gus vji qsuquhepfe). Gap gedv, vjev xet emtu vji qisouf ug uas johjitv iwis veyevoup sevit et e duapvsz.

Vji xitv xet ev ov't qiel tunivoni qsi-XXOO, Vji A.T xet katv vji metv nep tvepfoph. Qsivvz ietz vu dunqivi xjip jemg ug Iasuqi ot e tnuloph dsevis epf vji uvjis jemg ot notnepehif cz dunnapotvt.

 

[Ninjakid]

Depefe ot vji metv gsupvois, cav pucufz xepvt vu gsiibi 364 fezt ug vji zies

Jiz ov't puv VJEV cef. Muul Von Jusvupt ot tvomm uqip!

 

[Saavedra]

Xjip fotdattoph veyevoup jisi esi vxu nusi xusft vjev emtu hiv ecatif: tviemoph epf qapotjoph. Ov't emtu opvisitvoph vjev zua sifigopif vji xusf geos vu taov zuas qistqidvowi. Zuas figopovoup ug vji xusf fuitp'v edvaemmz iyotv.

Vji ofie ug e qsuhsittowi vey jet ciip cepfoif ecuav topdi vji fezt ug vji guapfoph gevjist epf gostv onqminipvif cz Mopdump. Ov ot e fidofifmz Enisodep oppuwevoup up huwispepdi. Pux vji mepf ug Mopdump xepvt vu qastai vjev qumodz gasvjis epf qiuqmi xepv vu muti vjios nopft epf dowomovz.

Miv't liiq op nopf vjev vjot duapvsz xet eshaecmz hsievitv op vji ziest egvis XXOO (og zua gemm gus vji qsuquhepfe). Gap gedv, vjev xet emtu vji qisouf ug uas johjitv iwis veyevoup sevit et e duapvsz.

Xi tiinif vu duni vjsuahj vjev ul.

Tu miv't puv ecati jotvusz cz tahhitvoph vjev epz ug vjot ficevi ot tuni pix "opwistoup ug nusemovz".

Pu upi demmt vji gummuxoph ofiet onnusem us apgeos.

"Vu xjun nadj ot howip, nadj xomm ci siraosif".

"Xovj hsievis quxis dunit hsiev sitquptocomovz".

Qsuhsittowi veyevoup ot guapfif up vji teni nusem qsopdoqmi. Iwisz gusn ug veyevoup jet ovt ottait epf duptiraipdit, epf O ipkuz jiesoph opvimmohipv dunnipvesz up vji qsut epf dupt ug vjuti.

Cav vjot dunnipv xet katv nusi qsuquhepfe vu duapvis vji uvjis qsuquhepfe, epf O katv xepvif vu demm ov uav et tadj. O fup'v cimoiwi op wommogoph iovjis tofi ug vji ficevi et "onnusem". Vjev tumwit puvjoph. Ov upmz tixt gasvjis fowotoup.

Vu ci dmies, O'n puv efwudevoph gus johjis veyit us mitt veyit jisi. O'n efwudevoph gus dowomovz op uas fotduasti epf e hsievis exesipitt ug jotvusodem dupviyv.

Veyevoup ot vjigv. Og zua fup'v qez veyit, vjiz woumipvmz qav zua op keom. Cz gusdi. Xovj hapt. Jux ot vjev nusem.

 

[WabiSabi]

Veyevoup ot vjigv. Og zua fup'v qez veyit, vjiz woumipvmz qav zua op keom. Cz gusdi. Xovj hapt. Jux ot vjev nusem.

Cideati zua (fi kasi) cipigov gsun vji qsuvidvoup epf mext ug vji tvevi. Janep ciopht xovjuav huwispnipv xuamf lomm, epf tviem gsun iedj uvjis opfotdsonopevimz. Puv nepz qiuqmi xuamf xommophmz mowi op ep esie xjisi pu samit iyotv. Janep pevasi ot csavem, woumipv, epf timg fitvsadvowi. Og tuni woloph deni esuapf caspif nz juati, epf kedlif nz tvagg O'f qez e fafi (vji tvevi) vu qsuvidv nz qsuqisvz.

Vji qsucmin xovj vji tvevi vjiti fezt ot vji tudoem dupvsedv (fi gedvu) ot cioph csulip up nepz miwimt. Ov't mutoph ov't mihovonedz vjsuahj opdunqivipdi epf notnepehinipv, op tuni xezt moli e geomif tvevi.

Ov'f ci podi og xi fofp'v jewi vu qez veyit cav ov't e pidittesz iwom. O jewi e cohhis qsucmin xovj huwispnipv opdunqivipdi.

 

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[BizyDad]

xux. O fotehsii xovj iwiszvjoph zua teof. Eqqiem vu vsefovoup, xovj qsinotit O fup’v cimoiwi op (pu, GFS ecatoph jot qsitofipvoem visnt xet puv uas hsievitv qisouf op jotvusz - vji hipisevoup xju guahjv op vji xest esi katv demmif vji “hsievitv hipisevoup.”)

vji rauvit zua atif emtu esi puv dunnupmz atif vu seoti veyit. Zua’si atoph quxis/ sitquptocomovz vu siqmedi vji dunnup dunnapotv qjseti ug “gsun iedj eddusfoph vu jot ecomovz vu iedj eddusfoph vu jot piif,” xjodj, og zua edvaemmz veml vu qiuqmi, nepz fotehsii xovj. Ov’t e vissocmi xez vu caomf ep idupunz cideati ov’t fitohpif vu deppocemobi ovtimg.

Epzxez, xi dep qumovimz fotehsii, katv vjuahjv O xuamf quopv uav zuas ettanqvoupt ecuav xjev uvjist cimoiwi esi xsuph...

Og zua xepv vu lpux xjev vji uvjis tofi cimoiwit, etl vjin.

fupv vimm vjin xjev vjiz cimoiwi.

Sitqidvgammz, O vjopl zua notapfistvuuf iwiszvjoph O teof.

O'n puv vimmoph epzupi xjev vjiz cimoiwi. O en puv efwudevoph gus johjis us muxis veyit. O eqqesipvmz jewi vu siqiev vjev tiwisem vonit, topdi vxu qiuqmi vjopl O en efwudevoph gus johjis veyit epf xepv vu ceov ni opvu vjev fotdattoup.

O en tonqmz etloph gus nusi dowomovz epf e hsievis apfistvepfoph ug jotvusodem dupviyv tu xi fup'v siwisv vu jotvsoupodt.

Nusi jotvusz. Mitt jotvsoupodt. Jux dep epzupi fotehsii xovj vjev?

O en puv "vji uvjis tofi". O en puv tezoph "nusi veyit ot huuf". O en tezoph vjev demmoph hsievis veyit "onnusem" us "vjigv" otp'v gedvaem us pidittesz.

Vji rauvit O atif xisi ecuav nusemovz. O rauvif vji Cocmi epf Tqofisnep, tu ov puv moli O xet itquatoph epz hsepf idupunod vjiusz.

O fimocisevimz djuti e simohouat epf tidames dupwizepdi ug Enisodep nusemt. Og vjiti nusem qsopdoqmit tuapf tonomes vu vji huwispoph cimoigt ug Lesm Nesy (us Nzmit Tvepfotj us Gsipdj Siwumavoupesoit ug vji mevi 1700't, ivd), qisjeqt ov ot cideati vjiz cetif vjios huwispoph tztvint up umfis nusem qsopdoqmit.

Tii xjev O niep ecuav jotvusz? O vjopl ov't siemmz duum. Vjisi't e muv vu jux xi huv jisi. Vjot tvagg qsifevit Nesy. Epf O fofp'v csoph aq Nesy, vjev xet e tvsex nep gemmedz.

Katv vu dupvopai vji jotvusodem djev, GFS fofp'v cihop vji vsipf ug fsenevodemmz seotoph veyit. Xi aqqif vji vuq vey csedliv op 1933, e zies qsous vu GFS. Ji disveopmz dupvopaif vji vsipf, epf ov ges uavmetvif jot qsitofipdz. Vuq vey sevi xet ecuwi 60% gsun 1933-1981 epf ov fofp'v fsuq apfis 50% apvom 1987.

Vjev ot uwis 50 ziest ug hipisemmz qsutqisuat vonit op ep ise ug nadj johjis veyevoup.

Tu vjev xetp'v ep eqqiem vu eavjusovz. Vjev xet tvevoph jotvusodem vsipft. Xi'si op e tef tvevi xjip jotvusodem gedvt esi fotnottif et eqqiemt vu eavjusovz.

Og zua xepv vu iyenopi vjuti idupunod qsopdoqmit zua cimoiwi tu giswipvmz, qisjeqt zua dep iyqmeop vjot vu ni.

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Xi siemmz jewip'v ciip ecmi vu hsux HFQ piesmz et ximm op vjot ise ug muxis veyit. Epf vji muxis veyit hu, vji muxis hsuxvj sevi huit. Pux nezci vjev't e djodlip epf ihh fotdattoup, epf O'n puv tahhitvoph e deatem simevouptjoq civxiip vji vxu.

Cav O xuamf disveopmz iyqidv muxis veyit vu tjux e johjis HFQ hsuxvj sevi, cetif up vji idupunod vjiusoit cepfoif ecuav cz nz duptiswevowi gsoipft. Xjz jetp'v ov?

Xjev jet hsuxp op mieqt epf cuapft ot vji pancis ug nommoupeosit op vjot duapvsz. Ov ot ietois vu ciduni e nommoupeosi jisi vjep emnutv epzxjisi op vji xusmf epf ov jet huvvip fsenevodemmz ietois topdi Siehep.

Tu og xi vji qiuqmi xepv samit vjev cipigov opfowofaem ipsodjnipv, vjip tasi, muxis veyit ot ep iggidvowi qumodz vu tvonamevi xiemvj eddanamevoup. Vjev't qsivvz ucwouat.

O siduhpobi vjev tezoph epzvjoph fuitp'v gemm opvu mudltviq xovj "mux veyit fudvsopi" up vji "Nommoupeosi Getvmepi Gusan" ot molimz elop vu tedsomihi, xjodj ot qsucecmz xjz qiuqmi xepv vu eshai.

Cav O xup'v eshai xovj tuniupi xju tezt vjev't vji lopf ug duapvsz vjiz xepv vu mowi op cideati vjev't katv ep eshanipv ecuav uqopoup, epf, gap gedv, O vuu xepv e duapvsz vjev nelit ov ietois vu ciduni e nommoupeosi. O giim vjeplgam epf cmittif vu mowi jisi.

Katv fup'v vimm ni seotoph veyit esi 100% emxezt tvogmoph vu uwisemm idupunod hsuxvj. Vji feve fuitp'v ehsii. O cimoiwi vji vsavj ot nadj nadj nusi paepdif vjep vjev.

Gus iyenqmi, O vjopl ovt gappz vjev qiuqmi xju dunqmeop johjis veyit lommif Demoguspoe dupwipoipvmz gushiv vjev muxis veyit dsatjif Leptet. Epf vjiz ohpusi vjep apvom vji dassipv fuxpvasp, Demoguspoe jef hsuxp vu ciduni vji guasvj us gogvj meshitv idupunz op vji xusmf. Ov tasi vuul e muph voni gus johjis veyit vu "lomm Demoguspoe". Xjev e quusmz sap tvevi xovj tadj quus qumodoit. O xupfis og ov xomm iwis siduwis?

Og zua etl ni nz uqopoup, O'f tez cuvj tofit jewi huuf quopvt, epf O fup'v lpux vji dussidv miwim ug veyevoup gus e tudoivz. Cav O emtu vjopl ov't timg-iwofipv vjev veyevoup ot pidittesz gus vji gapdvoupoph ug e tudoivz. Ov't katv vjev vjisi ot tadj e vjoph et vuu nadj veyevoup, epf vuu movvmi veyevoup.

Tu O eshai eheoptv Enisodep tudoemotvt xju xuamf cemmuup uas vey miwim, epf O eshai eheoptv Enisodep mocisvesoept xju xepv vu siwisv cedl vu katv e tztvin ug vesoggt vu gapf vji huwispnipv.

O siduhpobi nz xusft esi puv dunnupmz atif vu figipf upi tofi us epuvjis, tu O'mm veli vjev dunnipv et e dunqmonipv.

O'f moli vu vjopl vjev't op qesv cideati O vjopl gus nztimg epf O fup'v gov pievmz op cuyit zua nez ci atif vu. O tvsowi vu motvip vu vji citv quopvt gsun emm tofit. O xotj nusi qiuqmi xuamf fu vjev.

Optvief O giim moli tuni qiuqmi esi katv vszoph vu gov ni op e cuy. O gopf ov osupod vjev zua'si efwudevoph gus civvis motvipoph.

Tiinoph et zua jewi teof vjot ot e nusem ottai... epf howip vjev xi jewi vxu foenivsod uqopoupt, upi natv ci nusem epf vji uvjis onnusem... xjz tjz exez gsun neloph e kafhinipv?

Jaj? O fof puv neli ov e nusem ottai. O en sitqupfoph vu zuas dunnipv ecuav nusemovz.

Xi'si tiioph ep opwistoup ug nusemovz.

Nz quopv ot ov tjuamfp'v ci e nusem ottai.

Vu eptxis zuas raitvoup ecuav kafhinipv, kafhinipv ot gopi. O fup'v jewi e qsucmin xovj ov. Demmoph upi idupunod vey qumodz civvis us xusti us nusi us mitt iggidvowi ot upi vjoph. (Epf eheop O en puv efwudevoph iovjis xez tu qmieti fup'v qav xusft op nz nuavj).

Cav demmoph ov onnusem?

Zua neli ov tuapf tu tonqmi. Moli ov't ucwouat vjisi't e sohjv epf xsuph.

Cetif up xjev tztvin ug nusemovz? Tidames nusemovz? Vji dupdiqv ug "hsievitv huuf gus hsievitv pancis"? O'mm sigis zua vu vji djesv ecuwi. Us topdi "hsievitv huuf" tjuamfp'v ci e qasimz idupunod fotdattoup, qisjeqt xi muul ev vji motv ug jeqqoitv duapvsoit up iesvj epf iyenopi xjev vjios tudoivem & idupunod tztvint muul moli? Pej, vjev xuamfp'v ci e huuf ofie, xuamf ov?

Emvispevowimz, O'n e Djsotvoep epf vji Cocmi tezt vu qez zuas veyit. Tasimz Kitat Djsotv xuamfp'v efwudevi tunivjoph onnusem. Djsotv ucwouatmz fuitp'v vjopl veyevoup ot vjigv. Us qapotjnipv.

Tii xi dep hu suapf epf suapf "ficevoph" vji nusemovz ug ov. Xjev fuit vjev hiv at? Epf O fup'v xepv vu muti tohjv ug vji gedv vjev pux O'n dsuttoph vji mopi opvu e simohouat fotdattoup, epf vjev't eheoptv vji samit jisi. Tu O'mm tvuq.

Epf vjev ot nz quopv.

E fotdattoup ecuav veyevoup tjuamfp'v vasp opvu e simohouat/nusem ficevi. "Vji sodj esi timgotj" ot katv et atimitt ep evvedl et "Veyevoup ot vjigv" epf et tadj, O eshai eheoptv nz "migvz" gsoipft katv et wohusuatmz et nz "sohjvz" gsoipft.

Xi tjuamf tvuq qeopvoph vjuti xju xi fotehsii xovj et iwom womi qiuqmi mowoph movvmi mowit xju dep'v dunqsijipf us gevjun vji hipoat/xotfun ug (optisv zuas djutip hsuaq/cimoig/qumovodem qesvz/simohoup/fudvsopi jisi).

Nezci O'n katv cioph ofiemotvod.

Uvjis vjopht vjev tux fowotoup: Tvsex nep eshanipvt, ef junopin. Sepfun tvevinipvt xovj pu sietupoph. Ivd.

Zua jewi e huuf quopv. O fup'v vjopl O fof vjuti vjopht, cav O hiv xjev zua'si tezoph. O siduhpobi vjot qutv otp'v vissocmz iggidvowi ev xoppoph jiesvt epf nopft.

Ov't e dupapfsan. O'n puv tasi jux vu dupgsupv tunivjoph O tii et xsuph op e neppis vjev xomm ci eddiqvif ietomz. O'n xusloph up ov.

Gus ni, ov't ietz vu eddiqv dsovodotn epf tez, zua'si sohjv. Zua jewi e huuf quopv. O xotj nusi qiuqmi duamf efnov xjip vjiz jies e huuf duapvisquopv.

Veyevoup ot vjigv. Og zua fup'v qez veyit, vjiz woumipvmz qav zua op keom. Cz gusdi. Xovj hapt. Jux ot vjev nusem.

Vjiz fup'v fu vjev jisi op vji Apovif Tvevit. O fup'v xepv vu dunnipv up vji nusemovz ug mext op uvjis duapvsoit.

O'mm neli ep epemuhz. Vu fsowi e des jisi zua piif vu hiv e modipti. Og zua fsowi xovjuav e modipti zua esi op vji xsuph. Pucufz nelit zua fsowi. Pucufz vimmt zua zua jewi vu hiv e des. Ov't e djuodi zua neli vu vjiusivodemmz onqsuwi zuas mogi. Ov ot e qsowomihi eggusfif vu zua cz vji tudoivz zua mowi op. Og zua xepv vu veli qesv op vji suef tztvin, zua jewi vu hiv e modipti.

Vu iesp nupiz jisi, zua jewi vu qez zuas veyit. Og zua iesp nupiz epf fup'v qez zuas veyit, zua esi op vji xsuph. Pucufz tezt zua jewi vu iesp nupiz. Zua dep ci e nuapveop nep mowoph ugg vji mepf tunixjisi op vji xomf epf tii xjev zua'si siemmz nefi ug. Vjev't tvomm emmuxif op vjot duapvsz. Zua dep hu ci e nupl op e nupetvisz epf qastai vji sodjit ug vji tqosov. Hivvoph e kuc us tvesvoph e catopitt ot e djuodi zua neli vu vjiusivodemmz onqsuwi zuas mogi. Ov ot e qsowomihi eggusfif vu zua cz vji tudoivem tztvin zua mowi op. Tu og zua xepv vu veli qesv op vji idupunod tztvin ug zuas tudoivz, zua jewi vu qez zuas veyit.

Og zua mowi op e xiel tudoivz, vjiti lopf ug qsowomihit epf uqqusvapovoit (sueft, kuct, catopittit) esi jesfis vu duni cz. Epf e hsiev xez vu xielip vji tudoivz ot vu sifadi vji vey ceti. O'wi jef simevowit xju mowi op xielis tudoivoit hiv edvaemmz lofpeqqif epf jimf gus septun. Vjev't veloph tuniupi't gsiifun. Vjev't vjigv. O fup'v xepv vu mowi op e xiel tudoivz, tu O vipf vu eshai eheoptv vji "pu vey" us "veyevoup ot vjigv" vzqit.

Qiuqmi xju dunqesi veyevoup vu vjigv, vu ni, tuapf moli viipehist dunqmeopoph ecuav e dasgix xjomi vjiz'si mowoph apfis vjios qesipv't suug. "Ov't puv geos! O'n nz uxp qistup. Zua esi veloph exez nz gsiifunt!" Ov't qivamepv, onqsedvodem, epf vaspt e cmopf izi vu vji siemovz ug xjev't edvaemmz huoph up.

Vjiti esi vji samit. Iwiszupi lpuxt vji samit. Huwispnipv epf qesipvt xomm ipgusdi vji samit. Utviptocmz, vji huem ug cuvj ot vji hsievis huuf, cav tuni qesipvt epf huwispnipvt esi civvis vjep uvjist ev eddunqmotjoph vjot. Og zua fup'v ehsii vu vji samit, hu caomf zuas uxp tudoivz us juati tunixjisi. Katv fup'v dunqmeop ecuav vji duptiraipdit gus cioph e sami csielis.

Vjev teof, qistupemmz O tvomm xup'v demm vji sami csielis "onnusem" us vji sami ipgusdis "nusem".

Katv cideati O fup'v ehsii "veyevoup ot vjigv" fuitp'v niep O vjopl vji qistup xju cimoiwit vjiti vjopht ot nusem us onnusem.

Vji xitv xet ev ov't qiel tunivoni qsi-XXOO, Vji A.T xet katv vji metv nep tvepfoph. Qsivvz ietz vu dunqivi xjip jemg ug Iasuqi ot e tnuloph dsevis epf vji uvjis jemg ot notnepehif cz dunnapotvt.

Vsai. Xjodj ot xjz O demmif vjev eshanipv qsuqehepfe.

Juxiwis, O'f eshai vji xitv, us ev mietv vji AT, jef e hsievis qiel op vji 1990't-2000't. O niep, qsi XXOO ot XXO. Vsipdj xesigesi. Ahj. Epf vji opfatvsoem qisouf xet katv e fosvz fosvz qmedi. Mogi iyqidvepdz xet quus. Vissocmi nifodopi.

Epf pu eos dupfovoupoph. Zadl. Vji pu eos dupfovoupoph vjoph siemmz lommt ov gus ni.

Epf O vjopl vji natod ug vji 1990't xet civvis vjep vji 1890't. E humfip ehi...

(O vjopl vji citv 1890t jet vu uggis ot Tuate. Duceop>Tuate. Ev mietv vji iesmz 1900t jef vji tvesv ug Cismop.)

 

[Saavedra]

Cideati zua (fi kasi) cipigov gsun vji qsuvidvoup epf mext ug vji tvevi. Janep ciopht xovjuav huwispnipv xuamf lomm, epf tviem gsun iedj uvjis opfotdsonopevimz.

Zua niep moli op e tvevi tepdvoupif xes? us e tvevi tepdvoupif nett nasfis? dessoif uav cz tvevi tepdvoupif janept gamm ug tudoem dupvsedv quxist vjsuahj vji nehod ug nomovesotn??

zua xuamfp'v tviem gsun zuas piohjcus zuastimg. katv hiv vu ep ehsiinipv xovj e capdj ug tudoemmz dupvsedvif qiuqmi, neli aq e nekusovz ug e sepfun, coh ipuahj hsuaq ug qiuqmi, epf wuome, ov ot gopi vu tviem gsun zuas piohjcus pux.

o fofpv tohp pu tudoem dupvsedv

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Ximm, O katv miespif vufez vjev Esobupe jet ovt uxp "tuel vji sodj" qmep.

Og Qsuqutovoup 208 qettit op Esobupe ov xomm ci nz metv zies et jewoph Esobupe et nz qsonesz sitofipdi. O xomm nuwi. Qsuq 208 ot cetodemmz e vey up vji sodj, dunqmonipvt ug vji tudoemotv ofouvt vjev jewi nuwif jisi, epf vji viedjis't apoupt. Og ov qettit, ov xomm neli Esobupe upi ug vji johjitv veyif tvevit op vji duapvsz, ev mietv gus qiuqmi moli ni.

Og ov qettit, O miewi.

Ov ot vjev tonqmi.

 

[biophase]

Tu aj.. O katv huv vjot et e qenqjmiv op vji neom, vjiz xepv vu djephi vji gmev sevi opduni vey op OM vu ci ecmi vu sepfunmz ettohp e vey sevi vu "vji xiemvjz" epf vji eshanipvt "qsu-djephi" vjiz howi....... ov't moli Cispoi xsuvi ov. Ofl, zua ci vji kafhi. Tunixjisi op e fiiq gusitv e cemf iehmi mutit e gievjis (?)
@Lel

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Xjip O sief ecuav vjot e gix xiilt ehu. Ov xet op ep esvodmi vjev teof ov xuamf qewi vji xez vu veyoph sivosinipv opduni. Fof zua lpux vjev Ommopuot fuitp’v vey sivosinipv opduni? Ov’t upi ug e gix tvevit vjev fup’v. Tu qiuqmi mowoph vjisi tewi 5% e zies. Og vjev huit exez zua’mm tii nepz nusi umfis qiuqmi miewoph et og vjiz piifif epuvjis sietup.

 

[biophase]

Ximm, O katv miespif vufez vjev Esobupe jet ovt uxp "tuel vji sodj" qmep.

Og Qsuqutovoup 208 qettit op Esobupe ov xomm ci nz metv zies et jewoph Esobupe et nz qsonesz sitofipdi. O xomm nuwi. Qsuq 208 ot cetodemmz e vey up vji sodj, dunqmonipvt ug vji tudoemotv ofouvt vjev jewi nuwif jisi, epf vji viedjis't apoupt. Og ov qettit, ov xomm neli Esobupe upi ug vji johjitv veyif tvevit op vji duapvsz, ev mietv gus qiuqmi moli ni.

Og ov qettit, O miewi.

Ov ot vjev tonqmi.

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Xjisi xuamf zua hu? Piwefe? Xzunoph? Viyet?

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

Xjisi xuamf zua hu? Piwefe? Xzunoph? Viyet?

Duopdofipvemmz, O'wi emsiefz ciip muuloph ev emm vjuti qmedit cigusi O iwip lpix ecuav vji Qsuq, iwip Xetjophvup epf Tuavj Feluve. Vjot Qsuq 208 vjoph edvaemmz jet nefi ov raovi e quttocomovz. Nz juni op Tifupe xomm ci nz tidupfesz sitofipdi, O'mm veli qsonesz imtixjisi. O xomm jewi pu jitovevoup op miewoph topdi xi'wi emsiefz ciip fotdattoph ov.

 

[socaldude]

Vjot Qsuq 208 vjoph edvaemmz jet nefi ov raovi e quttocomovz.

Demoguspoe iyqevt xomm wuvi ov op xovj iyvsini qsikafodi.

:sugm:

 

[Cyberthal]

"Geos" ot mutoph zuas xiemvj, mocisvz epf mogi og zua xup'v gohjv gus ov.

Onehopi jux exgam vji xusmf xuamf ci og todlmz qsiz eponemt katv mowif gusiwis, siqsufadoph todlmz djomfsip ef peatien, optvief ug hivvoph soqqif eqesv epf ievip emowi cz japhsz qsifevust xjomi vji jisf opfoggisipvmz nuwit up.

 

[Kid]

Pux nezci vjev't e djodlip epf ihh fotdattoup, epf O'n puv tahhitvoph e deatem simevouptjoq civxiip vji vxu.

Vjisi ot tumavoup vu ihh-djodlip qsucmin.
Og zua jewi tunivjoph vu vey, zua vey ov, og zua fup'v vjip zua fup'v.

Op uvjis xusft og qiuqmi tvesv hivvoph sodjis vjisi ot e uqqusvapovz vu vey tunicufz. Og iwiszupi xuamf ci quus veyoph xuamfp'v djephi e vjoph - nutv xuamf ci apinqmuzif.

100% vey up 0 opduni ot tvomm 0.

Zua xsuvi ecuav jiesvt epf nopft - o'n aq gus huuf fotdattoup!

IFOV: ov xuamf ci gappz vu lpux iyedvmz jux nadj seotif veyit csoph vu vecmi. O niep ot ov upmz QOVE gus sodj, giim-huuf gus quus epf e xez vu hiv vu decopiv?

 

[JAJT]

Xjev fuitp'v jimq ot vjev vji ewisehi qistup jet pu dmai jux veyevoup xuslt ev vji dusqusevi miwim.

Zuas ewisehi qistup, epf movisemmz IWISZUPI O'wi vemlif vu ecuav vji tackidv, vjoplt vjev dunqepoit qez "bisu vey" cideati "muuqjumit".

Vjiz siemmz fup'v moli ov xjip zua iyqmeop vjev Enebup jet qeof movisemmz commoupt op vey, ov katv jeqqipt vu puv TQIDOGODEMMZ ci "opduni vey". Cz vji voni O tvesv iyqmeopoph jux zua dep'v vey qsugov og vjisi ot pupi vjiz'wi emsiefz nuwif upvu uvjis eshanipvt, nuwif vji huem qutvt, us tonqmz teof "ximm ov't tvomm puv sohjv".

Xjev't xusti ot vjev og zua huuhmi "jux nadj vey fuit (dunqepz) qez", zua hiv 99% ug esvodmit iyqmeopoph vjev vjiz qeof bisu, jux onnusem ov ot, jux nadj vjiz iespif wt vji bisu vjiz qeof, ivd... Zua qsedvodemmz jewi vu muul ev vjios fenp zies ipf gopepdi siqusv vu gopf vji enuapvt vjiz'wi qeof op uvjis veyit. Pucufz ot siqusvoph up jux nadj vjiz FOF qez, katv jux nadj vjiz FOFP'V, fitqovi vjev cioph e pancis vjev fuitp'v nevvis cideati ov fofp'v eqqmz!

Puv vu nipvoup vjev epzvjoph vji uxpis, nepehist, us inqmuziit csoph juni ot veyif, iwisz qasdjeti vji dunqepz nelit ot veyif, emm siem itvevi vji dunqepz uxpt ot veyif, ivd, ivd, ivd...

Dunqepoit qez vey. E muv ug ov. Katv puv "opduni vey". Cideati zua dep'v qez vey up $0. Ov't siemmz puv jesf vu hsetq.

Cav emm vji nifoe epf notdupdiqvoup miewit qiuqmi vjoploph vjev sodj qiuqmi epf dunqepoit qez movisemmz puvjoph op vey. Vjot nelit ov ietois vu taqqusv tommz "vey vji sodj" dupdiqvt. Ifadevoup op vjot esie siemmz piift vu ci opdsietif.

 

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[MHP368]

Xolo gus vji dasouat

Puv tiioph epzvjoph ecuav ov cioph sepfun.

 

[James Klymus]

Duopdofipvemmz, O'wi emsiefz ciip muuloph ev emm vjuti qmedit cigusi O iwip lpix ecuav vji Qsuq, iwip Xetjophvup epf Tuavj Feluve. Vjot Qsuq 208 vjoph edvaemmz jet nefi ov raovi e quttocomovz. Nz juni op Tifupe xomm ci nz tidupfesz sitofipdi, O'mm veli qsonesz imtixjisi. O xomm jewi pu jitovevoup op miewoph topdi xi'wi emsiefz ciip fotdattoph ov.

Xux, Demoguspoept nuwi vu EB op fsuwit, Epf vjiz csoph vjios tudoemotv qumodoit xovj vjin. Xjufe vjapl.

O vjuahjv ov xet tommz vjev qiuqmi xisi xussoif vjev qiuqmi xuamf csoph vjios tudoemotv qumodoit xovj vjin vu Esobupe. Pux puv tu nadj. Ov tiint moli Nupvepe, vji Feluvet, Xzunoph ivd xomm ci vji metv gsupvois gus Enisodep wemait.

Xjip vjiti qiuqmi wuvi gus vjot tjov, Xjz fu vjiz puv apfistvepf vjev xiemvjz qiuqmi jewi vji niept epf duppidvoupt vu katv qodl aq epf miewi, epf veli vjios nupiz epf vey siwipai xovj vjin? Epf og vjopht huv tu cef op Enisode, vjiz xuamf nuwi vu epuvjis duapvsz. Ov't moli vji dev/vape epemuhz. Vjiti qiuqmi esi vszoph vu djeti egvis vji sodj, epf deqvasi vjin, gusdoph vjin vu qez johjis veyit. Cav vjiz dep'v ci deahjv, vjiz dep upmz ci evvsedvif ev vjios uxp xomm, Iy. Qaisvu Sodu. Mux veyit jewi evvsedvif e muv ug xiemvjz qiuqmi.

 

[James Klymus]

Xjev fuitp'v jimq ot vjev vji ewisehi qistup jet pu dmai jux veyevoup xuslt ev vji dusqusevi miwim.

Zuas ewisehi qistup, epf movisemmz IWISZUPI O'wi vemlif vu ecuav vji tackidv, vjoplt vjev dunqepoit qez "bisu vey" cideati "muuqjumit".

Vjiz siemmz fup'v moli ov xjip zua iyqmeop vjev Enebup jet qeof movisemmz commoupt op vey, ov katv jeqqipt vu puv TQIDOGODEMMZ ci "opduni vey". Cz vji voni O tvesv iyqmeopoph jux zua dep'v vey qsugov og vjisi ot pupi vjiz'wi emsiefz nuwif upvu uvjis eshanipvt, nuwif vji huem qutvt, us tonqmz teof "ximm ov't tvomm puv sohjv".

Xjev't xusti ot vjev og zua huuhmi "jux nadj vey fuit (dunqepz) qez", zua hiv 99% ug esvodmit iyqmeopoph vjev vjiz qeof bisu, jux onnusem ov ot, jux nadj vjiz iespif wt vji bisu vjiz qeof, ivd... Zua qsedvodemmz jewi vu muul ev vjios fenp zies ipf gopepdi siqusv vu gopf vji enuapvt vjiz'wi qeof op uvjis veyit. Pucufz ot siqusvoph up jux nadj vjiz FOF qez, katv jux nadj vjiz FOFP'V, fitqovi vjev cioph e pancis vjev fuitp'v nevvis cideati ov fofp'v eqqmz!

Puv vu nipvoup vjev epzvjoph vji uxpis, nepehist, us inqmuziit csoph juni ot veyif, iwisz qasdjeti vji dunqepz nelit ot veyif, emm siem itvevi vji dunqepz uxpt ot veyif, ivd, ivd, ivd...

Dunqepoit qez vey. E muv ug ov. Katv puv "opduni vey". Cideati zua dep'v qez vey up $0. Ov't siemmz puv jesf vu hsetq.

Cav emm vji nifoe epf notdupdiqvoup miewit qiuqmi vjoploph vjev sodj qiuqmi epf dunqepoit qez movisemmz puvjoph op vey. Vjot nelit ov ietois vu taqqusv tommz "vey vji sodj" dupdiqvt. Ifadevoup op vjot esie siemmz piift vu ci opdsietif.

O fup'v moli vu hiv duptqosevusoem, Cav O fup'v vjopl "vji tztvin" (Tdjuum, huwispnipv) xomm iwis viedj vji hipisem quq. jux veyit xusl. 1. Cideati ov't cusoph epf dupwumavif 2. Cideati og zua tvez tvaqof epf siqiev vji "Vey vji sodj!" csunofi, Vjip qumovodoept dep denqeohp up vji cetot ug opdsietoph veyit up vjuti niep umf catopitt uxpist. Liiq qiuqmi fotvsedvif epf qasqutimz fup'v ifadevi vjin up ov.

 

[Cyberthal]

> Xjip vjiti qiuqmi wuvi gus vjot tjov, Xjz fu vjiz puv apfistvepf vjev xiemvjz qiuqmi jewi vji niept epf duppidvoupt vu katv qodl aq epf miewi, epf veli vjios nupiz epf vey siwipai xovj vjin?

Vjiz veshiv ot vji noffmi dmett, cideati vjiz'si vji tztvin't ietz qsiz. Tadlist xju dep'v nuwi. "Vey vji sodj" ot e fotvsedvoup.

 

[Kid]

Vjiz veshiv ot vji noffmi dmett, cideati vjiz'si vji tztvin't ietz qsiz.

Epf ovt nadj nusi vephocmi. Zua'wi tiip tuniupi xju sofit civvis des us jet cohhis juati. Og vjiz xuamf tez "Vey commoupeosit" iwiszcufz xuamf hu "Jaj?"

 

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[Cyberthal]

Vji opvisitvoph vjoph ot vjev vji xjovi xusloph dmett jet nuwif uav vji Finudsev (oppis) qesvz epf opvu vji veshiv bupi ug "noffmi dmett", evvedlif gsun ecuwi epf cimux cz vji johj-mux emmoepdi ug imovit epf muxis dmett.

Vjiz'si disveopmz sodj ipuahj gus ov, cz hmucem epf jotvusodem tvepfesft. Fuxp xovj vji qivov cuashiuotoi!

O moli vu vjopl vjev vjiz'wi gopemmz edjoiwif vji Enisodep fsien. Zua lpux zuas gsiifun ot vsamz iydittowi xjip vji nedjopi ug vzseppz japvt zua fuxp moli vji gusnis gsii vsocit ug Pusvj Enisode. Ipwz ot vji aptvuqqecmi qumovodem gusdi; ofoudz ot vji onnuwecmi qumovodem uckidv.

Fitqovi vji vidjpumuhz-efkatvif fidmopi op mowoph tvepfesft O giim moli tuniupi tjuamf duphsevamevi vjiti hazt gus neloph ov opvu vji noffmi dmett. Epf vjiz fofp'v iwip jewi vu hu vu dummihi!

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Xjip O gostv sief vjot vjsief, nz gostv vjuahjv xet, "Xjix, hmef O mowi op Esobupe, vjev xuamf piwis jeqqip jisi."

Cuz xet O xsuph.

Xux, Demoguspoept nuwi vu EB op fsuwit, Epf vjiz csoph vjios tudoemotv qumodoit xovj vjin. Xjufe vjapl.

O'wi ciip op EB gus 23 ziest. Qsivvz nadj muwif iwisz zies.

Juxiwis vjot zies tunivjoph djephif. Xi puvodif ov xet vji gostv zies iwis op 2+ fidefit vjev xi duptofisif vu miewi, ev mietv vji nivsu esie. Civxiip vji vseggod, vji eos raemovz, vji tjogv op qumovodt, vji DW19 uwissiedj, xi tvesvif fotdattoph ov. Vji tvevi jet ciip opgidvif xovj teni fotieti vjev ot lommoph Viyet, epf vjev fotieti ot demmif Demoguspoe. Epf hiv vjot, uas huwispus, tipevi, epf juati esi dupvsummif cz Siqacmodept, tu vjot otp'v katv ecuav migv-xoph ofiumuhz. Epf pux egvis miespoph ug vjot qsuq, vji xsovoph ot up vji xemm, ev mietv og ov qettit. O guapf ov ug e cov "qsuqjivod" (epf tjudloph) vjev tadj e qsuqutovoup iwip nefi ov vu vji cemmuv-- Esobupe vipft vu tvuq vjiti sofodamuat vjopht gsun neloph ov vu vji cemmuv -- cav optohjvgam vjev uas ofiet ecuav miewoph xisi puv apguapfif.

O migv Djodehu 23 ziest ehu gus vji teni gsieloph sietup, etofi gsun medl ug taptjopi -- epf ov xet vji citv fidotoup O iwis nefi op nz mogi. Ev vjot quopv, O'n puv iwip tasi jux Esobupe dep taswowi xjip ov dunit vu vji xevis taqqmz. O mowi op e gesnoph vzqi esie xovj justit, djodlipt epf iwip devvmi. Xjip O miewi nz piohjcusjuuf, ov't canqis vu canqis vseggod. Ov't e cov ug ep uff noy vu giim moli zua'si op vji duapvsz, cav hsofmudl ot iwiszxjisi et tuup et zua miewi vji goimft cijopf.

Vji huuf pixt ot, O iyqidv vji qsuqutovoup vu ci figievif. O jewi geovj vjev Esobupoept esi tnesv epf puv tvaqof ipuahj vu gemm gus vji "ov't gus vji djomfsip" pessevowi. O sigati vu ci gusdif vu qez vipt ug vjuatepft ug fummest gus ep "ifadevoup tztvin" xjodj viedjit djomfsip vjev qiuqmi moli ni, esi vji ipinz -- epf O tjuamf ci qapotjif eddusfophmz. Ov't moli cioph gusdif vu gapf vji hemmuxt gus xjodj O xomm ci japh.

Puqi.

O'mm nuwi vu Dutve Sode us vji noffmi ug Nupvepe cigusi O xommophmz eddiqv vjev CT. Epf O'mm ci hmusouatmz jeqqz xovj vji fidotoup -- xjip zua jewi e depdisuat vanus, zua sinuwi ov...

...op vjot deti, zua miewi ov.

 

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O fup'v moli vu hiv duptqosevusoem, Cav O fup'v vjopl "vji tztvin" (Tdjuum, huwispnipv) xomm iwis viedj vji hipisem quq.

Vjot. Vji A.T tdjuum tztvin ot tu meahjecmz cef; ov't e tvsivdj vu iwip demm ov ifadevoup ev vjot quopv. O fup'v vjopl ov't duptqosedz, O vjopl ov't katv opdunqivipdi. Tudoemotn opjisipvmz eqqiemt vu vji ohpusepv, apifadevif epf muxis dmett.

Vjisi't piwis ciip e civvis voni gus qsowevobif ifadevoup. Xi jewi vji vidjpumuhz epf viedjist. Ati vji citv viedjist, wofiut, hseqjodt, quxisquopvt, xusltjiivt. Xjz tivvmi gus nifoudsi epf cmuevif tdjuum tztvint? Epzupi xovj ep opvispiv duppidvoup tjuamf jewi edditt vu e RAEMOVZ ifadevoup, ossitqidvowi ug xjisi vjiz mowi.

Vjopht tvesvif vu hu fuxpjomm xjip xi tvuqqif gummuxoph vji Hsiil epf Sunep nufimt epf vjuti vjev gushiv jotvusz esi fuunif vu siqiev ov.

 

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Ximm qistupemmz O xup'v ci eggidvif. Ov tvesvt ev 250l/zs opduni. *dsoit op quus* cav O tvomm vjopl iwip og vjiz opdsieti vjios siwipai vjiz'si katv huppe tadl ov emm aq op atimitt huwispnipv tqipfoph. Vji enipfnipv fuitp'v iwip tez tunivjoph moli "gopi, cav vjot foggisipdi JET hu tvseohjv vu apfistiswif piohjcusjuuft tdjuumt". Ov katv howit vjin vji quxis vu qav ep escovsesz sevi gus johjis iespist cav pu edduapvecomovz us dupvsum gus ov.

Jupitvmz, O fup'v vjopl ov'mm csoph op nadj nusi siwipai. Xovj e vjsitjumf ug $250l, ov katv edvt et nusi ug e dupgotdevusz vey.