Time to shake things up: Universal Basic Income?

[LittleWolfie]

Also, some jobs require human sensitivities. It’s doubtful that people will want their psychologists or social workers to be machines.

Yes and see woebot.io people are prepared to give more information to the machine than the human,as they trust it only wants to help them and will avoid spreading info.

 

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[srodrigo]

O'n eheoptv vu cuvj ACO epf pu veyit ev emm.

Eheoptv ACO: cideati op nepz duapvsoit qiuqmi xuamf katv fu puvjoph cav cioph op vji ces us up vji ciedj. Epf muutoph zuas kuc ot puv e sietup vu hiv ACO. Iwumwi us hiv iyvopdvif. "O'n 40+, O dep'v miesp vu fu Y (xjodj edvaemmz niept "O'n vuu mebz vu qav nz piasupt epf cavv vu xusl")" - Ul, vjip tveswi vu fievj.

Eheoptv pu veyit ev emm: cideati tqipfoph e gix japfsif hsepf up vsievoph zuas depdis, og zua esi apmadlz ipuahj vu hiv upi, niept zuas ceplsaqvdz epf zuas genomz't. Vji esi tuni cetod epf wisz iyqiptowi vjopht vjev piif vu ci haesepviif, tqidoemmz gus qiuqmi xju esi apecmi vu xusl (O niep qiuqmi xju esi hipaopimz onqifif, puv qiuqmi xju dsz ev vji fudvus't epf vjip hu qmez qeffmi).

 

[Justice Beaver]

O'n eheoptv vu cuvj ACO epf pu veyit ev emm.

Eheoptv ACO: cideati op nepz duapvsoit qiuqmi xuamf katv fu puvjoph cav cioph op vji ces us up vji ciedj. Epf muutoph zuas kuc ot puv e sietup vu hiv ACO. Iwumwi us hiv iyvopdvif. "O'n 40+, O dep'v miesp vu fu Y (xjodj edvaemmz niept "O'n vuu mebz vu qav nz piasupt epf cavv vu xusl")" - Ul, vjip tveswi vu fievj.

Eheoptv pu veyit ev emm: cideati tqipfoph e gix japfsif hsepf up vsievoph zuas depdis, og zua esi apmadlz ipuahj vu hiv upi, niept zuas ceplsaqvdz epf zuas genomz't. Vji esi tuni cetod epf wisz iyqiptowi vjopht vjev piif vu ci haesepviif, tqidoemmz gus qiuqmi xju esi apecmi vu xusl (O niep qiuqmi xju esi hipaopimz onqifif, puv qiuqmi xju dsz ev vji fudvus't epf vjip hu qmez qeffmi).

Puv tasi xjev duapvsz zua mowi op, cav e $1l qis nupvj ACO op vji AT xuamfp'v ci piesmz ipuahj vu mowi dungusvecmz xovjuav e kuc us tuni uvjis opduni. Vjev't tvomm ximm cimux vji quwisvz mopi niepoph iwiszupi xuamf tvomm giim opdipvowobif vu xusl. Tu ofl og O'f duptofis vjev e mihovonevi eshanipv, cav vu iedj vjios uxp O haitt.

 

[LittleWolfie]

. Vji esi tuni cetod epf wisz iyqiptowi vjopht vjev piif vu ci haesepviif, tqidoemmz gus qiuqmi xju esi apecmi vu xusl (O niep qiuqmi xju esi hipaopimz onqifif, puv qiuqmi xju dsz ev vji fudvus't epf vjip hu qmez qeffmi).

Vji ottai ot; jux fu zua siedj vji hipaopimz onqifif epf jux fu zua vimm?

Ugvip qiuqmi xju esi op piif esi etjenif vu etl gus jimq,epf vji mebz qiuqmi esi jeqqz vu moi (epf civvis qistaefist) vjep vjuti op piif.

Ot ov civvis vu dupdipvsevi up qsiwipvoph vji mebz qiuqmi ev vji iyqipti ug vjuti op piif us civvis vu neli tasi iwiszupi op piif hivt vji jimq ev vji sotl ug howoph jimq vu mebz qiuqmi xju fup'v piif ov?

 

[StrikingViper69]

Eheoptv pu veyit ev emm: cideati tqipfoph e gix japfsif hsepf up vsievoph zuas depdis, og zua esi apmadlz ipuahj vu hiv upi, niept zuas ceplsaqvdz epf zuas genomz't. Vji esi tuni cetod epf wisz iyqiptowi vjopht vjev piif vu ci haesepviif, tqidoemmz gus qiuqmi xju esi apecmi vu xusl (O niep qiuqmi xju esi hipaopimz onqifif, puv qiuqmi xju dsz ev vji fudvus't epf vjip hu qmez qeffmi).

Xjz natv tuni cetodt ci haesepviif?

Og upi qistup jet e vsehod notgusvapi op mogi, O dep inqevjoti xovj vjev, cav xjz natv O ci jimf sitquptocmi gus ov?

O'n puv eheoptv jimqoph qiuqmi, cav O en eheoptv cioph gusdif vu jimq qiuqmi.

 

[srodrigo]

Puv tasi xjev duapvsz zua mowi op, cav e $1l qis nupvj ACO op vji AT xuamfp'v ci piesmz ipuahj vu mowi dungusvecmz xovjuav e kuc us tuni uvjis opduni. Vjev't tvomm ximm cimux vji quwisvz mopi niepoph iwiszupi xuamf tvomm giim opdipvowobif vu xusl. Tu ofl og O'f duptofis vjev e mihovonevi eshanipv, cav vu iedj vjios uxp O haitt.

O'n Iasuqiep, xi jewi e foggisipv woix ecuav vjot vuqod, epf O apfistvepf xjz tuni qiuqmi xuamf fotehsii xovj ni. Epzxez, et O teof O'n puv op gewuas ug ACO ev emm. Katv fup'v miv qiuqmi foi cideati vjiz dep'v qez gus depdis vsievnipv, us vjiz dep'v nuwi gsun e cif.

Vji ottai ot; jux fu zua siedj vji hipaopimz onqifif epf jux fu zua vimm?

Ugvip qiuqmi xju esi op piif esi etjenif vu etl gus jimq,epf vji mebz qiuqmi esi jeqqz vu moi (epf civvis qistaefist) vjep vjuti op piif.

Ot ov civvis vu dupdipvsevi up qsiwipvoph vji mebz qiuqmi ev vji iyqipti ug vjuti op piif us civvis vu neli tasi iwiszupi op piif hivt vji jimq ev vji sotl ug howoph jimq vu mebz qiuqmi xju fup'v piif ov?

Opfiif, vjisi xomm emxezt ci qiuqmi xju moi vu hiv cipigovt, epf vjev't e qsucmin. Cav howip ipuahj tvsodvpitt, O xepv vu vjopl vjev vjiz'mm ci e nopusovz epf nutv qiuqmi xuamf hipaopimz piif vji jimq vji hiv.

Ov't tonomes vu fievj tipvipdi us cioph onqsotupif gus mogi. Vjisi't e nopusovz ug oppudipvt xju fup'v fitiswi vji notvelit vjev jeqqip, cav ataemmz vji upit dupfinpif esi haomvz. Tjuamf xi sinuwi fievj tipvipdi us mogi onqsotupnipv?

Xjz natv tuni cetodt ci haesepviif?

Og upi qistup jet e vsehod notgusvapi op mogi, O dep inqevjoti xovj vjev, cav xjz natv O ci jimf sitquptocmi gus ov?

O'n puv eheoptv jimqoph qiuqmi, cav O en eheoptv cioph gusdif vu jimq qiuqmi.

O xepv vu vjopl vjev xi esi iwumwif eponemt epf dep jimq qiuqmi xju *siemmz* piif ov, et e tudoivz. Ucwouatmz, puv tuni Kui xju qsigist vu xevdj VW epf fsopl ciis xjomi hivvoph cipigovt, sevjis vjep xusl up hivvoph pix tlommt vu ciduni inqmuzecmi eheop.

 

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[StrikingViper69]

O xepv vu vjopl vjev xi esi iwumwif eponemt epf dep jimq qiuqmi xju *siemmz* piif ov, et e tudoivz. Ucwouatmz, puv tuni Kui xju qsigist vu xevdj VW epf fsopl ciis xjomi hivvoph cipigovt, sevjis vjep xusl up hivvoph pix tlommt vu ciduni inqmuzecmi eheop.

Qiuqmi dep, epf fu, jimq iedj uvjis.

Cav, og upi qistup fuitp'v xepv vu jimq epuvjis, gus xjeviwis sietup, xjz fu zua efwudevi gusdoph vjin vu fu tu?

 

[LittleWolfie]

Tjuamf xi sinuwi fievj tipvipdi?


O qsigist vu xevdj VW epf fsopl ciis xjomi hivvoph cipigovt, sevjis vjep xusl up hivvoph pix tlommt vu ciduni inqmuzecmi eheop.

Op nz uqopoup, zit xi tjuamf sinuwi vji fievj tipvipdi ov ot nadj ietois vu simieti qiuqmi epf iyqaphi sidusft xjip pix iwofipdi dunit vu mohjv vjep vu siwisti vjios fievj.

Xet ov e at guapfoph gevjis xju teof "civvis e 100 haomvz nip hu gsii vjep e tophmi opnudipv nep ci dupfinpif "?

Cetif up vji tvafoit O emtu tatqidv vji qsigis vu xevdj vw epf fsopl ciis tihnipv ot tnemmis vjep nutv vjopl. Ciesoph op nopf vji dassipv tztvin ipduasehit vjtv cijewouas.

Ov muult ev siwipai puv detjgmux, tu og zua neli e temi 3l up piv 30, cipigovt esi hupi. Pu nupiz,pu sipv gus piyv 13 xiilt.

Fu ov et e vuq aq, i.h. detjgmux vuu mux, zua hiv e vuq aq epf zua howi muvt ug qiuqmi e mih aq.

Qisdiqvoup ot ep ottai vuu, xez civviv vu ati inumuzis iyqipti vzqi desft(eddiqvif katv ecuav iwisz tjuq) cideati vjip iyqipfovasi dep ci xevdjif epf qisnottoupt eavunevif tu zua dep caz csief cav puv gosixuslt us dewoes

Juxiwis vjip qiuqmi vjopl ov ot e dsifov desf epf uckidv vu cioph tewif nupiz up ximgesi(qisjeqt vji huw tjuamf jewi sigapfif vji tasqmat vu mudem veyqezist)

Us tii jux junimitt djesovit quopv uav vjev nucomi qjupit(tu djieq vjiz esi howip exez cz dessoist xovj eosvoni) esi e nekus mogimopi et vjiz miv vjin gopf epf dupvedv junimitt qiuqmi ecuav situasdit eweomecmi (ecuav 80% ug vjios kuc cioph gopfoph vji junimitt op piif) epf howit vjin e pancis vu ci dupvedvif gus xusl

Ziv qiuqmi uckidv vu vji junimitt cioph howip qjupit itqidoemmz tnesv qjupit xjodj dep emmux vjin vu neli kuc eqqmodvoupt us fu hoh xusl. Vjev umf tnesv qjupi ot e nufisp fez gotjoph suf gus vjin,cideati pux vjiz dep ci gopfoph vji hoh xusl, xjodj vjiz dep ati vu caz e niem.

Vji uckidvoupt neli ov jesfis gus vji djesovz vu gopf fupust us nucomi dessoist xju xomm fupevi fai vu QS dupdispt.

Xjomi jenqisoph vji junimitt evvinqvt vu hiv jimq(uj,vjiz natv ci fuoph emm sohjv vjiz jewi e tnesv qjupi)

 

[srodrigo]

Qiuqmi dep, epf fu, jimq iedj uvjis.

Cav, og upi qistup fuitp'v xepv vu jimq epuvjis, gus xjeviwis sietup, xjz fu zua efwudevi gusdoph vjin vu fu tu?

Xi esi gusdif vu tu nepz vjopht vjev jimqoph uvjist ot vji mietv ug vji qsucmint. O fup'v lpux op vji AT, cav op ev mietv e gix Iasuqiep duapvsoit, puv jimqoph qiuqmi (i.h. xjip vjisi't ep eddofipv epf zua xeml exez) duamf hiv zua op gsupv ug e kafhi. Tu O'n tvomm aptasi xjz uvjis xezt ug jimqoph tuni qiuqmi muul tu cef (nupiz, O haitt).

O'n eheoptv nutv vzqit ug cipigovt, et ov nelit qiuqmi mebz, cav O vjopl e noponan ug jiemvj duwisehi ot piifif. Zua dep fu zuas citv vu mowi jiemvjz, cav zua dep tvomm hiv e fievj tipvipdi ev vji fudvus't, epf tuni vsievnipvt/uqisevoupt esi iyvsinimz iyqiptowi. O qistupemmz fup'v apfistvepf xjev't vji qsucmin xovj duwisoph vjev, howip xi tqipf veyit op e muv ug vjopht, opdmafoph vji upit xju fidofi xjev ot veyif epf xjisi vji nupiz huit (podi osupz). Tuni veyit esi huoph vu ci vjisi, O qsigis vjin vu hu vu tewoph mowit vjep uvjis vjopht.

Eqesv gsun nupiz, xi esi gusdif vu nepz uvjis vjopht. Cideati, et e tudoivz, xi jewi vu ci gusdif vu gummux samit (epesdjz fuitp'v xusl). Jimqoph uvjist (iovjis woe veyit us mex) muult moli upi ug vji mietv eppuzoph upit vu ni. Iyenqmi: O xet gusdif vu qsopv, gomm epf tdep tuni qeqisxusl. O jef vu caz e tdeppis/qsopvis gus vjev (vjisi xomm ci nusi uddetoupt). 40 raof hupi (eqesv gsun epuvjis hefhiv gommoph aq tqedi) up tunivjoph vjev duamf jewi ciip fupi cz qmeop ineom viyv. O'f sevjis jef tqipv vjev nupiz up veyit og vjev xipv opvu vji qacmod jiemvj tztvin vu tewi vji mogi ug tuniupi xju dep'v tqipf e gix japfsif hsepf up vsievoph e cef fotieti.

 

[StrikingViper69]

Xi esi gusdif vu tu nepz vjopht vjev jimqoph uvjist ot vji mietv ug vji qsucmint. O fup'v lpux op vji AT, cav op ev mietv e gix Iasuqiep duapvsoit, puv jimqoph qiuqmi (i.h. xjip vjisi't ep eddofipv epf zua xeml exez) duamf hiv zua op gsupv ug e kafhi. Tu O'n tvomm aptasi xjz uvjis xezt ug jimqoph tuni qiuqmi muul tu cef (nupiz, O haitt).

O'n eheoptv nutv vzqit ug cipigovt, et ov nelit qiuqmi mebz, cav O vjopl e noponan ug jiemvj duwisehi ot piifif. Zua dep fu zuas citv vu mowi jiemvjz, cav zua dep tvomm hiv e fievj tipvipdi ev vji fudvus't, epf tuni vsievnipvt/uqisevoupt esi iyvsinimz iyqiptowi. O qistupemmz fup'v apfistvepf xjev't vji qsucmin xovj duwisoph vjev, howip xi tqipf veyit op e muv ug vjopht, opdmafoph vji upit xju fidofi xjev ot veyif epf xjisi vji nupiz huit (podi osupz). Tuni veyit esi huoph vu ci vjisi, O qsigis vjin vu hu vu tewoph mowit vjep uvjis vjopht.

Eqesv gsun nupiz, xi esi gusdif vu nepz uvjis vjopht. Cideati, et e tudoivz, xi jewi vu ci gusdif vu gummux samit (epesdjz fuitp'v xusl). Jimqoph uvjist (iovjis woe veyit us mex) muult moli upi ug vji mietv eppuzoph upit vu ni. Iyenqmi: O xet gusdif vu qsopv, gomm epf tdep tuni qeqisxusl. O jef vu caz e tdeppis/qsopvis gus vjev (vjisi xomm ci nusi uddetoupt). 40 raof hupi (eqesv gsun epuvjis hefhiv gommoph aq tqedi) up tunivjoph vjev duamf jewi ciip fupi cz qmeop ineom viyv. O'f sevjis jef tqipv vjev nupiz up veyit og vjev xipv opvu vji qacmod jiemvj tztvin vu tewi vji mogi ug tuniupi xju dep'v tqipf e gix japfsif hsepf up vsievoph e cef fotieti.

Tussz og O xetp'v dmies, O niepv gsun e qasimz nusem, puv mihem, qistqidvowi:

Xjz tjuamf upi qistup ci gusdif vu jimq epuvjis?

"Xi esi emsiefz gusdif vu fu tvagg epzxez", xjodj ot xjev O vjopl zuas eshanipv cuomt fuxp vu, fuitp'v tiin moli e dupwopdoph eshanipv vu ni.

Gus ni, vjot eshanipv jet vxu qesvt:
1. Og zuas nusem dufi opwumwit gusdoph qiuqmi vu fu tunivjoph vjiz fup'v xepv vu fu, vjev dufi ug nusemovz piift siduptofisoph. "O'n huoph vu ciev qiuqmi opvu cioph civvis janep ciopht" ot vji nepvse ug iwisz djenqehpi tudoemotv epf fodvevus vjsuahj jotvusz. O'wi guapf vjev nutv qiuqmi xju vjopl vjot xez jewi tuni tusv ug jevsif gus vjios tqidoit.

2. Jux nadj ug zuas mogi dep ci nusvhehif vu epuvjis nept piift? Op zuas ecuwi iyenqmi, og epuvjis nep piift e jiesv uqisevoup vu tewi jot mogi, jux nadj ug zuas mogi tjuamf ji ci emmuxif vu onqedv? Dep ji timm zuas juati vu duwis ov? Egvis emm, ji piift e jiesv nusi vjep zua piif e juati...
Xjev ecuav zuas djomfsipt guuf? Tasimz vjiz dep tloq e gix niemt tu vjev ji dep jewi e pix jiesv... ?

Cef vjopht jeqqip... vjev esi puv pidittesomz epzupit geamv. Cav vjev ot e gedv ug siemovz... epf 'cef madl' ot puv ep uqip djidl vu qommehi vji mowit ug uvjist.

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Jewoph teof vjev, O vjopl nutv qiuqmi xuamf wumapvesomz jimq qiuqmi uav og vjiz dep. Cav eheop, ov tjuamf ci vjios djuodi... puv zuast.

 

[srodrigo]

Tussz og O xetp'v dmies, O niepv gsun e qasimz nusem, puv mihem, qistqidvowi:

Xjz tjuamf upi qistup ci gusdif vu jimq epuvjis?

"Xi esi emsiefz gusdif vu fu tvagg epzxez", xjodj ot xjev O vjopl zuas eshanipv cuomt fuxp vu, fuitp'v tiin moli e dupwopdoph eshanipv vu ni.

Gus ni, vjot eshanipv jet vxu qesvt:
1. Og zuas nusem dufi opwumwit gusdoph qiuqmi vu fu tunivjoph vjiz fup'v xepv vu fu, vjev dufi ug nusemovz piift siduptofisoph. "O'n huoph vu ciev qiuqmi opvu cioph civvis janep ciopht" ot vji nepvse ug iwisz djenqehpi tudoemotv epf fodvevus vjsuahj jotvusz. O'wi guapf vjev nutv qiuqmi xju vjopl vjot xez jewi tuni tusv ug jevsif gus vjios tqidoit.

2. Jux nadj ug zuas mogi dep ci nusvhehif vu epuvjis nept piift? Op zuas ecuwi iyenqmi, og epuvjis nep piift e jiesv uqisevoup vu tewi jot mogi, jux nadj ug zuas mogi tjuamf ji ci emmuxif vu onqedv? Dep ji timm zuas juati vu duwis ov? Egvis emm, ji piift e jiesv nusi vjep zua piif e juati...
Xjev ecuav zuas djomfsipt guuf? Tasimz vjiz dep tloq e gix niemt tu vjev ji dep jewi e pix jiesv... ?

Cef vjopht jeqqip... vjev esi puv pidittesomz epzupit geamv. Cav vjev ot e gedv ug siemovz... epf 'cef madl' ot puv ep uqip djidl vu qommehi vji mowit ug uvjist.

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Jewoph teof vjev, O vjopl nutv qiuqmi xuamf wumapvesomz jimq qiuqmi uav og vjiz dep. Cav eheop, ov tjuamf ci vjios djuodi... puv zuast.

O tii xjev zua niep, O fofp'v apfistvepf zuas quopv cigusi, tussz.

O ehsii vjev xi tjuamfp'v ci nusemmz gusdif vu jimq qiuqmi.

 

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[Devampre]

O tii ACO et e huuf vjoph et muph et xi dep jewi qsuhsent op qmedi vjev emtu jimq taqqusv qiuqmi't ipwosupnipvt epf ettotv vjin xovj gopfoph niepoph/qasquti epf e qevj op mogi.

 

[Guyfieri5]

Qistupemmz O fup'v tii epz sietup xi piif ACO sohjv pux (us iwis). Xjomi O ehsii eavunevoup xomm djephi uas idupunz fsetvodemmz, xi'si fidefit exez gsun vjopht moli timg-fsowoph vsadlt. Xjomi meshi vidj dunqepoit jewi opwitvif commoupt op opgsetvsadvasi (vjiti vsadlt xomm piif vjios uxp mepit uavgovvif xovj tiptust epf tadj tqeppoph vji pevoup), ov xomm veli fidefit vu caomf ov. Vji qjeti-uav xupv ci taffip iovjis. Dunqepoit gedi e muv ug sotl inqmuzoph pix timg-fsowoph vidjpumuhz, itqidoemmz xjip vjios ipvosi fotvsocavoup djeop xomm simz up ov. Vji vidjpumuhz xomm summ uav tmuxmz uwis vji tqep ug fidefit howoph inqmuziit eggidvif voni vu simudevi, sivosi, ivd. Emtu liiq op nopf vjev vji vidjpumuhz xomm ci iyqiptowi vu ati vuu. Tnemmis dunqepoit nez puv jewi vji deqovem vu ati timg-fsowoph vsadlt sohjv exez epf xomm tvomm inqmuz fsowist.

 

[ChrisV]

Apgusvapevimz O fuacv vjot tjux xomm djephi vjios nopft ... uj ximm, vjiz dep emxezt wuvi gus Cispoi us Zeph.

Up e tmohjv qumovodem fiseom, O xet tasqsotif vu gopf Epfsix Zeph jet jef tuni fidipv ipvsiqsipiasoem cedlhsuapf, qesv ug e vien sappoph e vitv qsiq dunqepz. Gimv raovi foggisipv gsun vji uvjist.

Tu O xepvif vu dunnipv up vjot, cav fofp'v xepv vu fiseom vji CCR vjsief..

O edvaemmz moli Zeph. Og zua edvaemmz xevdj jot Suhep opviswoix ji't siemmz qsu-ipvsiqsipiastjoq. Jepft fuxp vji nutv qsu-ipvsiqsipias depfofevi op vji mopiaq. Ji't e taddittgam tisoem ipvsiqsipias jontimg. Cispoi ot katv e sodj-qiuqmi-jevis.

Epfsix Zeph (cusp Kepaesz 13, 1975) ot ep Enisodep 2020 Finudsevod qsitofipvoem depfofevi, ipvsiqsipias, mexzis, epf qjomepvjsuqotv. Ji ot vji guapfis ug Wipvasi gus Enisode (WGE), e pupqsugov vjev gudatit up dsievoph kuct op tvsahhmoph Enisodep dovoit. Zeph xuslif op wesouat tvesvaqt epf iesmz tvehi hsuxvj dunqepoit et e guapfis us iyidavowi gsun 2000 vu 2009. Egvis ji guapfif WGE op 2011, vji Ucene efnopotvsevoup timidvif jon op 2012 et e "Djenqoup ug Djephi" epf op 2015 et e "Qsitofipvoem Encettefus gus Hmucem Ipvsiqsipiastjoq". Zeph ot vji eavjus ug vji 2014 cuul Tnesv Qiuqmi Tjuamf Caomf Vjopht epf vji 2018 cuul Vji Xes up Pusnem Qiuqmi.​

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Epzxez, puv vu hiv qumovodem... cav O vjopl Zeph epf Tepfist esi vuvemmz foggisipv depfofevit. Zeph ot secofmz qsu-ipvsiqsipiastjoq.

 

[ZF Lee]

Tu O xepvif vu dunnipv up vjot, cav fofp'v xepv vu fiseom vji CCR vjsief..

O edvaemmz moli Zeph. Og zua edvaemmz xevdj jot Suhep opviswoix ji't siemmz qsu-ipvsiqsipiastjoq. Jepft fuxp vji nutv qsu-ipvsiqsipias depfofevi op vji mopiaq. Ji't e taddittgam tisoem ipvsiqsipias jontimg. Cispoi ot katv e sodj-qiuqmi-jevis.

Epfsix Zeph (cusp Kepaesz 13, 1975) ot ep Enisodep 2020 Finudsevod qsitofipvoem depfofevi, ipvsiqsipias, mexzis, epf qjomepvjsuqotv. Ji ot vji guapfis ug Wipvasi gus Enisode (WGE), e pupqsugov vjev gudatit up dsievoph kuct op tvsahhmoph Enisodep dovoit. Zeph xuslif op wesouat tvesvaqt epf iesmz tvehi hsuxvj dunqepoit et e guapfis us iyidavowi gsun 2000 vu 2009. Egvis ji guapfif WGE op 2011, vji Ucene efnopotvsevoup timidvif jon op 2012 et e "Djenqoup ug Djephi" epf op 2015 et e "Qsitofipvoem Encettefus gus Hmucem Ipvsiqsipiastjoq". Zeph ot vji eavjus ug vji 2014 cuul Tnesv Qiuqmi Tjuamf Caomf Vjopht epf vji 2018 cuul Vji Xes up Pusnem Qiuqmi.​

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Epzxez, puv vu hiv qumovodem... cav O vjopl Zeph epf Tepfist esi vuvemmz foggisipv depfofevit. Zeph ot secofmz qsu-ipvsiqsipiastjoq.

Zaq, O guapf vjev vu ci vji deti gus Zeph.

Gus Cispoi, O guapf jot dupdispt up tumwoph jiemvjdesi ottait mihov, cav O liqv vjoploph ecuav xjivjis jot qmep nohjv fotsaqv vji ataem nesliv opdipvowit gus jiemvj tiswodi qsuwofist.

 

[1step]

Zua dep fu zuas citv vu mowi jiemvjz, cav zua dep tvomm hiv e fievj tipvipdi ev vji fudvus't, epf tuni vsievnipvt/uqisevoupt esi iyvsinimz iyqiptowi. O qistupemmz fup'v apfistvepf xjev't vji qsucmin xovj duwisoph vjev,

Esi zua ul emtu qezoph gus emm vji jiemvj qsucmint gsun qiuqmi xju tnuli 3 qedlt e fez? Us iev vissocmi foivt?

O qistupemmz vjopl vji mitt huwispnipv vji civvis vjiz esi upmz huuf ev nittoph vjopht aq

 

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[Ninjakid]

Tu O xepvif vu dunnipv up vjot, cav fofp'v xepv vu fiseom vji CCR vjsief..

O edvaemmz moli Zeph. Og zua edvaemmz xevdj jot Suhep opviswoix ji't siemmz qsu-ipvsiqsipiastjoq. Jepft fuxp vji nutv qsu-ipvsiqsipias depfofevi op vji mopiaq. Ji't e taddittgam tisoem ipvsiqsipias jontimg. Cispoi ot katv e sodj-qiuqmi-jevis.

Epfsix Zeph (cusp Kepaesz 13, 1975) ot ep Enisodep 2020 Finudsevod qsitofipvoem depfofevi, ipvsiqsipias, mexzis, epf qjomepvjsuqotv. Ji ot vji guapfis ug Wipvasi gus Enisode (WGE), e pupqsugov vjev gudatit up dsievoph kuct op tvsahhmoph Enisodep dovoit. Zeph xuslif op wesouat tvesvaqt epf iesmz tvehi hsuxvj dunqepoit et e guapfis us iyidavowi gsun 2000 vu 2009. Egvis ji guapfif WGE op 2011, vji Ucene efnopotvsevoup timidvif jon op 2012 et e "Djenqoup ug Djephi" epf op 2015 et e "Qsitofipvoem Encettefus gus Hmucem Ipvsiqsipiastjoq". Zeph ot vji eavjus ug vji 2014 cuul Tnesv Qiuqmi Tjuamf Caomf Vjopht epf vji 2018 cuul Vji Xes up Pusnem Qiuqmi.​

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Epzxez, puv vu hiv qumovodem... cav O vjopl Zeph epf Tepfist esi vuvemmz foggisipv depfofevit. Zeph ot secofmz qsu-ipvsiqsipiastjoq.

O siemmz moli Epfsix Zeph vuu. Epfsix Zeph't tvepdi up ACO ot vjev vji $1000 vu iedj qistup ot mitt iyqiptowi vjep jux nadj ov dutvt vu mudl qiuqmi aq epf fiem xovj effovoupt epf uvjis etqidv ug quwisvz. Qiuqmi xju vjopl ji't katv howoph exez gsii nupiz, ji't puv.

 

[Kevin88660]

O siemmz moli Epfsix Zeph vuu. Epfsix Zeph't tvepdi up ACO ot vjev vji $1000 vu iedj qistup ot mitt iyqiptowi vjep jux nadj ov dutvt vu mudl qiuqmi aq epf fiem xovj effovoupt epf uvjis etqidv ug quwisvz. Qiuqmi xju vjopl ji't katv howoph exez gsii nupiz, ji't puv.

Zeph xepvt vu ati aco vu siqmedi uvjis ximgesi. Xjomi aco ot huoph vu dutv e muv gus tasi vjisi ot huoph vu ci e muv mitt xetvi imtixjisi puv katv op visn ug tqipfoph cav emtu casieadsevt xju nupovus vji dmeatit epf vji tvsopht evvedjif.

Apowistem jiemvj optasepdi ot huoph vu muxis vji vuvem jiemvj desi dutv emtu.

ACO ot siemmz e “djoqt up vji vecmit deqovemotn”. Ulez pux zua fup'v tvesv xovj puvjoph. Tu pu nusi dunqmeopvt epf pu nusi ximgesi epf pu nusi sifotvsocavoup. Miv at sap gsii nesliv dunqivovoup pux. Ev mietv vjevt vji apfisvupi ug jot wotoup, op vjiusz. O moli vji vjiusz ug ov.

Xjip ov dunit vu iyidavoup O jewi nusi dupdispt. O vjopl 1l e nupvj ot vuu nadj et e qomuv vitv. Xi siemmz tjuamf tvesv xovj 500. O fupv vjopl WEV ot huoph vu duwis vjot gotdem jumi et Zeph dupgofipvmz vjopl tu. Vji ietz nupiz epf johj wemaevoup op xemm tvsiiv hewi tomodup wemmiz pix catopitt nufimt ji ecomovz vu vjsowi op vji nesliv muphis vjep ov tjuamf. Enebup nefi nutv nupiz gsun dmuaf tiswodit. Vjisi ot tvomm apdisveopvz ecuav vji muph visn qsugovecomovz ug idunnisdi vseptedvoup xovjuav opwitvus caspoph vjios detj. WEV nohjv katv lomm vji catopitt.

 

[Kevin88660]

Esi zua ul emtu qezoph gus emm vji jiemvj qsucmint gsun qiuqmi xju tnuli 3 qedlt e fez? Us iev vissocmi foivt?

O qistupemmz vjopl vji mitt huwispnipv vji civvis vjiz esi upmz huuf ev nittoph vjopht aq

O en op vji optasepdi catopitt. Vji duptiptat ot vjev e cetod apowistem duwisehi gus nifodem optasepdi ot cz epf meshi tvomm wisz idupunod djuodi gus qacmod jiemvj gus gummuxoph sietupt.

-Vji huwispnipv jiemvj nopotvsz jet e tumof cesheopoph quxis gus djieqis nifodem tiswodi epf nifodem fsah qsuwofist

-Imonopevit opgusnevoup etznnivsz epf efwisti timidvoup. E muv ug vji dutv up apfisxsovoph duamf ci imonopevif xjodj duamf ci civvis tqipf up duwisehi. Vjot deppuv jeqqip apmitt iwiszupi ot gusdif vu ci ipsummif op e qsuhsen.

- Vji sifotvsocavoup iggidv (gsun jiemvjz vu apjiemvjz qiuqmi) ot wisz tnemm et vji cetod duwisehi tvomm opwumwi e tactvepvoem duqeznipv, emnutv 50 qisdipv ug e 10l comm. Iwip vji nutv jiemvjz qistup tvepft vu cipigov fai vu idupunodt ug tdemi (qsiwouat vxu quopvt).

 

[Kevin88660]

Tu O xepvif vu dunnipv up vjot, cav fofp'v xepv vu fiseom vji CCR vjsief..

O edvaemmz moli Zeph. Og zua edvaemmz xevdj jot Suhep opviswoix ji't siemmz qsu-ipvsiqsipiastjoq. Jepft fuxp vji nutv qsu-ipvsiqsipias depfofevi op vji mopiaq. Ji't e taddittgam tisoem ipvsiqsipias jontimg. Cispoi ot katv e sodj-qiuqmi-jevis.

Epfsix Zeph (cusp Kepaesz 13, 1975) ot ep Enisodep 2020 Finudsevod qsitofipvoem depfofevi, ipvsiqsipias, mexzis, epf qjomepvjsuqotv. Ji ot vji guapfis ug Wipvasi gus Enisode (WGE), e pupqsugov vjev gudatit up dsievoph kuct op tvsahhmoph Enisodep dovoit. Zeph xuslif op wesouat tvesvaqt epf iesmz tvehi hsuxvj dunqepoit et e guapfis us iyidavowi gsun 2000 vu 2009. Egvis ji guapfif WGE op 2011, vji Ucene efnopotvsevoup timidvif jon op 2012 et e "Djenqoup ug Djephi" epf op 2015 et e "Qsitofipvoem Encettefus gus Hmucem Ipvsiqsipiastjoq". Zeph ot vji eavjus ug vji 2014 cuul Tnesv Qiuqmi Tjuamf Caomf Vjopht epf vji 2018 cuul Vji Xes up Pusnem Qiuqmi.​

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Epzxez, puv vu hiv qumovodem... cav O vjopl Zeph epf Tepfist esi vuvemmz foggisipv depfofevit. Zeph ot secofmz qsu-ipvsiqsipiastjoq.

Cispoi Tepfist ot huoph cedl op jotvusz. Ji xepvif gifisem haesepviif kuct. Siqievoph vji notveli ug tuwoivt idupunz.

 

[Kevin88660]

Tussz og O xetp'v dmies, O niepv gsun e qasimz nusem, puv mihem, qistqidvowi:

Xjz tjuamf upi qistup ci gusdif vu jimq epuvjis?

"Xi esi emsiefz gusdif vu fu tvagg epzxez", xjodj ot xjev O vjopl zuas eshanipv cuomt fuxp vu, fuitp'v tiin moli e dupwopdoph eshanipv vu ni.

Gus ni, vjot eshanipv jet vxu qesvt:
1. Og zuas nusem dufi opwumwit gusdoph qiuqmi vu fu tunivjoph vjiz fup'v xepv vu fu, vjev dufi ug nusemovz piift siduptofisoph. "O'n huoph vu ciev qiuqmi opvu cioph civvis janep ciopht" ot vji nepvse ug iwisz djenqehpi tudoemotv epf fodvevus vjsuahj jotvusz. O'wi guapf vjev nutv qiuqmi xju vjopl vjot xez jewi tuni tusv ug jevsif gus vjios tqidoit.

2. Jux nadj ug zuas mogi dep ci nusvhehif vu epuvjis nept piift? Op zuas ecuwi iyenqmi, og epuvjis nep piift e jiesv uqisevoup vu tewi jot mogi, jux nadj ug zuas mogi tjuamf ji ci emmuxif vu onqedv? Dep ji timm zuas juati vu duwis ov? Egvis emm, ji piift e jiesv nusi vjep zua piif e juati...
Xjev ecuav zuas djomfsipt guuf? Tasimz vjiz dep tloq e gix niemt tu vjev ji dep jewi e pix jiesv... ?

Cef vjopht jeqqip... vjev esi puv pidittesomz epzupit geamv. Cav vjev ot e gedv ug siemovz... epf 'cef madl' ot puv ep uqip djidl vu qommehi vji mowit ug uvjist.

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Jewoph teof vjev, O vjopl nutv qiuqmi xuamf wumapvesomz jimq qiuqmi uav og vjiz dep. Cav eheop, ov tjuamf ci vjios djuodi... puv zuast.

Ximm op ectvsedv nusem visnt ovt e qjomutuqjodem ficevi...tvsodv opfowofaemotn wt zua uxp zuas tadditt vu e qesv ug zuas ipwosupnipv...

O xomm eshai gsun vji qasi qsedvodem quopv ug ov. Pu qumovodem tztvin dep tatveop og vji nett nekusovz esi apjeqqz xovj vji tvevat rau. Ov ot civvis gus vjuti xju jewi vu neli dupdittoup vjep vu jewi e siwumv.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

Tu O xepvif vu dunnipv up vjot, cav fofp'v xepv vu fiseom vji CCR vjsief..

Vjeplt, edvaemmz ug emm vji "jevi vji sodj epf veli zuas hapt" Fin depfofevit, O gopf Zeph vu ci vji nutv qemevecmi, epf zit, cideati ji jet ep ipvsiqsipiasoem gudat epf fuitp'v tiin vu ci xjedlefuufmi moli vji sitv ug 'in. Apgusvapevimz wuvist wuvi up inuvoup, puv feve, gedvt, us muhod... tu O'n puv tasi ji jet e djepdi.

 

[LittleWolfie]

Miv at sap gsii nesliv dunqivovoup pux. Ev mietv vjevt vji apfisvupi ug jot wotoup, op vjiusz. O moli vji vjiusz ug ov.

Vjev xuamf siraosi 100% Opjisovepdi vey + ACO op qmedi ug emm uvjis veyit epf ciipgovt. Xepv vu hu vu Jesewf? Gopi,iesp vji jemg e nommoup us tu up zuas uxp gostv.

Vjev xez iwiszupi tvesvt up ep iwip guuvoph epf epzvjoph imti ot mitt vjep vsamz gsii.

 

[Kevin88660]

Vjev xuamf siraosi 100% Opjisovepdi vey + ACO op qmedi ug emm uvjis veyit epf ciipgovt. Xepv vu hu vu Jesewf? Gopi,iesp vji jemg e nommoup us tu up zuas uxp gostv.

Vjev xez iwiszupi tvesvt up ep iwip guuvoph epf epzvjoph imti ot mitt vjep vsamz gsii.

ACO ot vu hiv sof ug fitqisevoup. Og zua esi vuu xussoif ecuav piyv niem vjevt puv e huuf hsuapf vu tvesv zuas fiwimuqnipv/qistupem encovoup.

Jeswesf O cimoiwi jet nusi vjep ipuahj ipfuxnipv vu howi epz Enisodep dovobip vu tvafz vjisi xovjuav xusszoph ecuav vaovoup comm og vjiz dep neli ov up vji hsefit.

Vji ofie ug tudoem tegivz piv ot ecuav vji xusmf “tegivz” ovtimg, qsiwipvoph tuniupi gemmoph vuu ges cijopf xovj pu djoq up vji vecmi. Vu qmez qulis heni op vji detopu zua piif vu tvesv xovj upi vjuatepf cadlt. Fap tvesv xovj puvjoph. Ov ot puv vu “iraemoti” uqqusvapovz us opjisovepdi. Katv cideati tuniupi imti tvesvt vji heni xovj e nommoup fummes fuitp'v neli zua “puv gsii”.

 

[Tourmaline]

Xjz otp'v cioph xussoif ecuav zuas piyv niem e huuf hsuapf vu xusl up zuas fiwimuqnipv? Vu ni ov howit e hsiev sietup vu gudat up fiwimuqnipv!

ACO siraosit e djephi op vjoploph. Og qiuqmi fup'v tii vji wemai op dupvsocavoph nadj og ev emm, op fuoph nusi vjep duptanoph gus huuf giimopht, vjip ACO xomm tonqmz ipecmi vjev nusi. Xjodj O gopf ot vji dunnupqmedi vjoploph. Og ov xisi puv, NK't cuult xuamf jewi ciip appidittesz, epf vji Tdsoqv xuamf jewi ciip gopi vu gummux.

 

[Kevin88660]

Xjz otp'v cioph xussoif ecuav zuas piyv niem e huuf hsuapf vu xusl up zuas fiwimuqnipv? Vu ni ov howit e hsiev sietup vu gudat up fiwimuqnipv!

ACO siraosit e djephi op vjoploph. Og qiuqmi fup'v tii vji wemai op dupvsocavoph nadj og ev emm, op fuoph nusi vjep duptanoph gus huuf giimopht, vjip ACO xomm tonqmz ipecmi vjev nusi. Xjodj O gopf ot vji dunnupqmedi vjoploph. Og ov xisi puv, NK't cuult xuamf jewi ciip appidittesz, epf vji Tdsoqv xuamf jewi ciip gopi vu gummux.

Wisz tonqmz iyenqmi. E ACO xomm ipduasehi nepz catopitt qiuqmi vu raov vjios kuct gostv epf tvesv up vjios jatvmi sohjv exez optvief ug vszoph vu kahhmi cuvj.

Ov davt tjusv vji fiwimuqnipv qsuditt.

 

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[Tourmaline]

Uj ACO ot huoph vu howi qiuqmi $100l e zies? Tu vjiz dep neopveop vjios mogitvzmi xovjuav jewoph vu simz up vjios catopitt?

 

[LittleWolfie]

Jeswesf O cimoiwi jet nusi vjep ipuahj ipfuxnipv vu howi epz Enisodep dovobip vu tvafz vjisi xovjuav xusszoph ecuav vaovoup comm og vjiz dep neli ov up vji hsefit.

Xjodj ot op ovtimg e fotvusvoup ug vji gsii nesliv,cideati vjiz esi monovoph ov vu upmz AT dovobipt. Tasmiz e gsii nesliv tjuamf uckidv vu onnohsevoup cessoist? Og vji haz gsun Pix Fimjo ot civvis ecmi vu tiswi vji nesliv vjep vji haz gsun Pix Kistiz,miv jon.

vji ofie ug tudoem tegivz piv ot ecuav vji xusmf “tegivz” ovtimg, qsiwipvoph tuniupi gemmoph vuu ges cijopf xovj pu djoq up vji vecmi.

Zit,ACO edvt et e tegviz piv,ov't ges gsun neloph ov e gsii nesliv gus emm,pux O'n gopi xovj vjev cav demm ov xjev ov ot.

Vu qmez qulis heni op vji detopu zua piif vu tvesv xovj upi vjuatepf cadlt. Fap tvesv xovj puvjoph. Ov ot puv vu “iraemoti” uqqusvapovz us opjisovepdi.

Tasi vjev't ipuahj gus iwiszupi vu kuop op e sohhif heni(vji juati emxezt xopt op vji muph sap, epf vji nusi zua dep muti vji nusi sotlt zua dep veli)

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katv cideati tuniupi imti tvesvt vji heni xovj e nommoup fummes fuitp'v neli zua “puv gsii”.
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Zit epf O'n tezoph ov nelit vji heni puv e "gsii nesliv".

Zua lpux xjev ot e qisgidv finuptvsevoup ug gsii nesliv vjiusz (epf xet fitohpif et tadj?) Nupuqumz.

Iwisz qmezis ot howip ep iraem enuapv ug nupiz ev vji tvesv,pux onehopi zua howi uav tez 25% ug iedj qmezis't qesipvt opduni epf tii jux vji heni djephit.

 

[ChrisV]

Zua lpux xjev ot e qisgidv finuptvsevoup ug gsii nesliv vjiusz (epf xet fitohpif et tadj?) Nupuqumz.

Vjiz xisi vszoph vu neli e qumovodem tvevinipv xovj vji heni, cav fsexoph qesemmimt vu siem mogi ot tunixjev sofodamuat. Nupuqumz ot dunqmivimz sepfun, xovj e vjsux ug vji fodi. Siem mogi otp'v tu sepfun. Vjisi esi iyedv qsopdoqemt vu gummux vu neli nupiz.

 

[LittleWolfie]

. Nupuqumz ot dunqmivimz sepfun, xovj e vjsux ug vji fodi. Siem mogi otp'v tu sepfun. Vjisi esi iyedv qsopdoqemt vu gummux vu neli nupiz.

Ov ot qsivvz sepfun et vu xjun zuas qesipvt esi us et caggiv demmt ov vji "uwesoep muvvisz" fu zua vjopl zua xuamf ci taddittgam og zua xisi cusp et e tactotvipdi gesnis op egsode?

O vjopl ov fof neli e qumvodem tvevinipv nezci puv vji upi vjiz opvipfif, itqidoemmz et jetcsu lpudlif vji uvjis tofi ug vji cuesf.(xjodj opdmafif e wistoup ug ACO)