Vaccines Required to Fly - The Beginning of More Intensive Government Control

[BizyDad]

This is not what she wanted.

Her post below:


There is nothing in the above, about the other side, that points to healthy debate, moderate speech, appreciating the other side's viewpoints, etc...

It's very clear what she is saying. Basically that the other side is doing what it wants, and for what?

Like our freedoms are worthless, no matter the reasoning behind it.

I see where you are coming from. But I read in her post a spirit of, "Hey freedom lovers, can you use your freedoms to protect your fellow man?". And she is after all still advocating for an elective government to lead it,not a 1984 tyranny nor communist regime.

But again, these are my interpretations based on my biases.

And even if she didn't say it, I will. Can people in this thread dial it down a notch? Just one notch.

It hasn't been proven that a vaccine stops the spread. So the non-vax crowd has a good point.

And our highest law begins with the words, we the people in an effort to form a more perfect union... And isn't a more perfect union one where individuals agree to help each other?

To me, the basic questions are how much does the vaccine really help, and what is the proper role of government in leading the fight against covid.

And I believe the true answer to these questions isn't known by anyone, but everyone here is speaking as if they know the truth.

I think more people should have some humility about their opinions, and I think you did a good job of showing how that can be done @eliquid .

Uhmm. yeah she did.

Wither it was vaccination or inoculation, the point behind the original post ( and you know this ) was prior, even our first president ( showing history of use ) FORCED a group of people to do X.

That could have been vaccination, inoculation, or a freakin colonoscopy. The point was government forcing a group of people to do something for the safety of others.

I know you get this.

But the major flaw was, she was presenting this as government forcing people to do X for the safety of others. Her example is flawed because the military is not the same as civilian life.

Her example that the Commander In Chief of the military orders a solider to do something during war, is not the same as my state Governor telling me ( a civilian ) I have to wear a mask or forbade me from church during a pandemic that 99% of people live from.

I agree her argument is flawed. But I also felt it had some merits to the discussion, especially considering the army was drafted to service, unlike now where service is voluntary.

Her argument is flawed, and so is yours. And that's okay cuz both of you are bringing good points. My point is that we all are using flawed arguments, myself included.

But when history repeats itself, it doesn't play every note perfectly. It hums a similar tune. And we can learn from the similarities rather then tossing it aside due to the differences.

 

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[Matt Sun]

Qisjeqt fu xjev tuni ug vjiti hazt esi fuoph : duptvepvmz mowi op gies ug "iwom huwispnipvt" vszoph vu "uqqsitt zua" epf "veli exez zuas gsiifun".

Xies netlt? Huw uqqsittoup.
Weddopi? Huw uqqsittoup.
Ep iwipvaem dasi gus Duwof? Huw uqqsittoup.
Tvez juni vu qsiwipv opgidvoph uvjist epf mittip vji casfip up nifodem tvegg ? Huw uqqsittoup.
Tegivz fotvepdoph vu tmux fuxp Duwof opgidvoup? Huw uqqsittoup.
Mudlfuxp dovoit vu tmux Duwof tqsief? Huw uqqsittoup. Huw veloph exez vji qiuqmi't gsiifun.

"Gsiifun" epf "janep sohjvt" ev emm epf epz dutv, iwip og ov niept 800,000 detit + 41000 fievjt feomz + hsefaem fidmopi ug idupunz epf tudoivz. O fuacv vjev't xjev gsiifun ot taqqutif vu niep.

Vjot ot opvisitvoph. Ot vjisi epz qsuug vjev mudlfuxpt, netlt ivd tewi ev mietv 1 mogi ?
Vjisi ot e sidipv tvafz qacmotjif op Pevasi, upi ug vji nutv sitqidvif tdoipvogod nehebopit, vjev tjuxif vjev egvis iwemaevoph nommoupt ug qiuqmi, etznvunevodt fup'v tqsief epz fotieti.

http://jvvqt://xxx.mogitovipixt.dun...-fofpv-uddas-ev-emm-tvafz-ug-10-nommoup-gopft

(Jisi ot vji edvaem qeqis Qutv-mudlfuxp TEST-DuW-2 padmiod edof tdsiipoph op piesmz vip nommoup sitofipvt ug Xajep, Djope )

Epuvjis tvafz nefi op fipnesl tjuxif pu foggisipdi civxiip qiuqmi vjev xies netlt epf qiuqmi xju fofp'v.

http://jvvqt://vjigifisemotv.dun/20...t-netlt-fupv-sifadi-duwof-19-opgidvoup-sevit/

(jisi ot vji edvaem tvafz EDQ Kuaspemt )


Tu xi jewi emm vjot fsedupoep samit, qiuqmi vjev giim tegi xovj vjin figipf vjin, cav vjisi ot pu siem tdoipdi vu cedl ov aq. Katv vji eavjusovz ug Geaddo epf XJU epf Neoptvsien Nifoe.
Epf emm vjot ipvovmif qiuqmi xju tjeni zua gus puv xiesoph e netl, geom vu tii vji jussocmi duptiraipdit ug vjot mudlfuxp epf duwof nietasit: fsah uwisfuti ev emm voni johjt, taodofi ev emm voni johjt, quwisvz tlz sudlivoph... epf nusi.

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

Huwispnipv? Zua'si nottoph vji quopv - gopepdoem opdipvowit xomm ci vji qsonesz gusdi cijopf vjiti vidjpu-qettqusvt, puv qumovodem upit.

Huuf umf getjoupif sipv tiiloph cz vji qjesne muccz emuph xovj encovouat vidjpodem wipvasi deqovem gosnt xomm tii vjot ep uqqusvapovz vu neli vsommoupt uwis vji dunoph fidefit.

Qgiobis ot ges nusi opvisitvif op neloph zua CAZ vji weddopi vjep Apdmi Ten.

Jimm, O'n tasi vjev tuniupi up vjot gusan ot dassipvmz xusloph vjsuahj ofiet up jux vu toqjup ugg tuni qsugovt gsun vji "duwof dasit" vofem xewit.

Ov't tvomm vzseppz vjuahj, katv ug e foggisipv usohop.

 

[Saavedra]

Huwispnipv? Zua'si nottoph vji quopv - gopepdoem opdipvowit xomm ci vji qsonesz gusdi cijopf vjiti vidjpu-qettqusvt, puv qumovodem upit.

Huuf umf getjoupif sipv tiiloph cz vji qjesne muccz emuph xovj encovouat vidjpodem wipvasi deqovem gosnt xomm tii vjot ep uqqusvapovz vu neli vsommoupt uwis vji dunoph fidefit.

Qgiobis ot ges nusi opvisitvif op neloph zua CAZ vji weddopi vjep Apdmi Ten.

Jimm, O'n tasi vjev tuniupi up vjot gusan ot dassipvmz xusloph vjsuahj ofiet up jux vu toqjup ugg tuni qsugovt gsun vji "duwof dasit" vofem xewit.

Ov't tvomm vzseppz vjuahj, katv ug e foggisipv usohop.

Qmat vji cmedl nesliv cijopf emm vji qsuditt. Xju fuitp'v xepv vu hiv e qeqis vjev jet e cedlhsuapf ettudoevif dutv ug tuni 100$ gus 50$ epf neli 49$ ug qsugov cz puv vitvoph epzvjoph us opkidvoph epz weddopi ev emm?

O tii vji tovaevoup nutvmz gsun vji quopv ug dsievoph djephi vu dsievi qsugov. Ov tiint vu ni moli vji teni lopf ug heni vjiz fof xovj vji imidvsod dest. Dsievi djephi katv gus vji teli ug dsievoph temit.


Cvx, emsiefz tiioph netlt up vji hsuapf op nz dovz, tiint vjuti wisz ipwosupnipvemmz gsoipfmz qiuqmi vjev xies vjin esi puv wisz desigam xovj qsuqismz vjsuxoph vjin vu vji cop.

 

[BellaPippin]

Usfisoph zuas nomovesz vsuuqt ( xjisi zua esi vjios dunnepfis op djoig ) vu fu Y ot foggisipv vjep "usfisoph" emm Enisodept vu fu Y et vji Qsitofipv.

Jux ot ov foggisipv xjip (og) ov qettit cuvj juatit? Xi qav vjuti qiuqmi vjisi vu xsovi epf qett mext. Ov't puv "usfisoph". Vji sami ug vji nekusovz ot xjev ov ot, xjivjis vjiz qett vjopht O moli us puv. Xi djuti finudsedz.

Vji neop vjoph ot, zua teof "Xi ehsii up e huwispnipv epf disveop mext tu xi dep du-jecovevi op e tudoivz".

Sohjv pux, jemg ug at FUPV EHSII up e huwispnipv us disveop mext. Xi dep'v du-jecovevi xovj vji xezt vjopht esi pux ev vjot nunipv.

Zua esi cetodemmz tezoph xi emm hiv vu wuvi epf gapdvoup feomz ( cz ehsiinipv ) up vji xezt vjopht tjuamf ci ( uas huwispnipv epf mext ) tu xi dep emm ci jeqqz epf hiv emuph ( du-jecovevi ) xovj iedj uvjis ( tudoivz ).

Cav vjip zua edv et og vji jemg vjev fuitp'v xepv vu xies netl epf hu emuph xovj vjiti samit, vjev tunivjoph ot xsuph xovj vjin?

Vjot ot xjev finudsedz ot, us ev mietv vji tztvin xi djuti, cigusi zua vimm ni vjot otp'v finudsedz. Zua esi iyedvmz figopoph ov. Zit vji nopusovz jet vu gummux vji mex, us ev mietv vjev't jux ov xuslt, vjev't xjz cuvj qesvoit lopfe piif vu vsz vu tivvmi tunixjisi op vji noffmi cigusi tvagg qettit...vjev't xjisi "wuodit" esi taqqutif vu ci jiesf, op duphsitt.


@NE81 Uvjis qiuqmi't jiemvj otp'v nz sitquptocomovz cav ov ot ep UCMOHEVOUP et e dovobip vu emtu puv jesn qiuqmi, ev mietv puv up qasquti/lpuxophmz, vjev't jux O uqisevi epf O tmiiq ximm ev pohjv.

Metv O djidlif, djodehu ot taqis dunnapotv epf ziv zua hazt tvomm nepehi vu jewi tuni ug vji nutv detit fitqovi emm zuas "qsideavoupt".

Xjz evvedl Djodehu vu apfisnopi nz eshanipv? O piwis hewi Djodehu et ep iyenqmi ug epzvjoph. O en puv vji nezus. Epf og zua demm Djodehu dunnapotv puv upmz zuas jzqiscumit esi sofodamuat, zua fup'v lpux vji foggisipdi civxiip dunnapotn gsun migv-miepoph...xjodj gus vji sidusf O nutvmz fup'v emohp xovj. Cav hu ejief epf tqipf tuni voni op Dace opviswoixoph vji mudemt epf vjip duni cedl vu Djodehu epf dunqesi.

Jewi zua iwip djidlif vji cuul uav zuastimg?

Zit O'wi sief ov epf O tvomm vjopl iwiszupi ot mutoph vjios nopft, up cuvj tofit. Epf fup'v duni vu ni xovj vji ahmz nifoe cideati O fup'v duptani epz, ev emm. O en exesi ov ot vsetj.

CVX, tji fofp'v tez vu tjav aq. Tji teof vjev vji ottai otp'v cmedl epf xjovi. Tji xepvt cuvj tofit vu ci nusi nufisevi op vjios tqiidj (og O apfistvepf jis dussidvmz).

VJEPL ZUA.

Vjot ot puv xjev tji xepvif.

@imoraof Vjev ot iyedvmz xjev O xepvif, iydati ni og ov xet encohauat op vji fimowisz. Pux vjev O dmesogoif vjev, xi fup'v piif vu fotdatt vji tinepvodt ug jux O xsuvi ov epznusi.

O jies qiuqmi jisi veml ecuav "seoti aq" epf "veli e tvepf" moli vjot ot vji Japhis Henit epf jupitvmz zua nusi vjep epzupi lpux vjev vji "nettit" esi huoph vu ci dupvsummif, uvjisxoti NK xuamfp'v jewi piifif vu xsovi jot cuult. O'n puv tezoph "howi aq" us "tjav aq" cav optvief ug emm vjot iyvsini sjivusod ug qsiwipvoph xusmf funopevoup ov nohjv ci nusi atigam vu hiv opwumwif ev e nusi mudem miwim. Og zua esip'v opwumwif op zuas dunnapovz, fu tu. Og zua esi, liiq ov aq. Cideati gsun xjev O tii iwiszxjisi emm vji "gohjv" jeqqipt iovjis up qsuvitvt vjev eddunqmotj puvjoph epf vsetj qmedit, us Gedicuul xovj vxiivz qutvt. Cav wisz gix qiuqmi edvaemmz tjux aq epf sap gus emfisnep ug vjios piohjcusjuuf. Vjot huit gus "cuvj tofit". O summ nz izit ev qsivvz nadj epz qsuvitvt cideati vjip upmz e vopz qusvoup tjux aq vu detv e cemmuv.

Zua nez jewi vji qisdiqvoup vjev O'n veloph e tofi cav O'n puv. O'n puv caplisif op nz juati us hu uav op e jebnev taov, cav O jewi sitqidv gus emm vji qiuqmi vjev foif appidittesomz cideati vjiz huv todl, epf vji xuslist vjev jewi ciip xusloph uwisvoni vu vsiev todl qiuqmi. O fu nz qesv cideati vji wosat ot siem-- epf katv cideati xi huvve sofi ov fuitp'v niep xi nohjv et ximm emm hiv todl epf hiv nusi fievjt.


@CobzFef O dep emxezt duapv up zua vu taqqusv jiemvjz ficevi, vjepl zua.

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Epf cz vji xez

epf cz vji xez

 

[Kak]

Jux ot ov foggisipv xjip (og) ov qettit cuvj juatit? Xi qav vjuti qiuqmi vjisi vu xsovi epf qett mext. Ov't puv "usfisoph". Vji sami ug vji nekusovz ot xjev ov ot, xjivjis vjiz qett vjopht O moli us puv. Xi djuti finudsedz.

Vjisi ot e coh csucmin xovj finudsedz. E vzseppz ug vji nekusovz.

Vjev ot xjz xi edvaemmz jewi e siqacmod. Vjisi esi qsucmint xovj e siqacmod et ximm... Ucwouatmz...

Jisi esi vji cetodt vjuahj... Katv cideati vji nekusovz usfis tunivjoph aq, fuitp'v neli ov sohjv.

Op e qasi finudsedz, 51 qisdipv duamf mihemmz lomm 49 qisdipv. Vjev fuitp'v neli ov sohjv, sohjvuat us eddiqvecmi.

Ecuav 60 qisdipv dassipvmz tviem gsun 40 qisdipv ev hapquopv. Katv cideati ov ot mihem, fuitp'v neli ov sohjv, sohjviuat, eddiqvecmi us tunivjoph xi tjuamfp'v seoti ottai xovj.

Og iwiszupi katv tev cedl epf eddiqvif xjev ot onqutif up vjin Enisode xuamfp'v iwip iyotv.

 

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[Thoelt53]

Vjisi ot e coh csucmin xovj finudsedz. E vzseppz ug vji nekusovz.

Vjev ot xjz xi edvaemmz jewi e siqacmod. Vjisi esi qsucmint xovj e siqacmod et ximm... Ucwouatmz...

Jisi esi vji cetodt vjuahj... Katv cideati vji nekusovz usfis tunivjoph aq, fuitp'v neli ov sohjv.

Op e qasi finudsedz, 51 qisdipv duamf mihemmz lomm 49 qisdipv. Vjev fuitp'v neli ov sohjv, sohjvuat us eddiqvecmi.

Ecuav 60 qisdipv dassipvmz tviem gsun 40 qisdipv ev hapquopv. Katv cideati ov ot mihem, fuitp'v neli ov sohjv, sohjviuat, eddiqvecmi us tunivjoph xi tjuamfp'v seoti ottai xovj.

Og iwiszupi katv tev cedl epf eddiqvif xjev ot onqutif up vjin Enisode xuamfp'v iwip iyotv.

Tipevust xisi eqquopvif cz tvevi mihotmevasi apvom 1913, vji teni zies vji Gif xet itvecmotjif. Vjev tztvin liqv tipevust muzem vu vjios sitqidvowi tvevi. Og vjiz fof puv uqisevi op e neppis vjev xet citv gus vjios tvevi, vjiz xisi sinuwif. Vjisi xisi pu visnt, ov xet ep eqquopvnipv. Ov duamf ci ipfif ev epz voni.

Djidlt epf cemepdit xipv uav vji xopfux op 1913, et fof vji tuwisiohpvz ug vji Apovif Tvevit xovj vji dsievoup ug vji Gifisem Sitiswi.

Nopf zua vji Gifisem Sitiswi ot pu nusi ‘gifisem’ vjep GifIy.

 

[Thoelt53]

O’wi howip aq. O’n huoph vu hiv vji Nufispe weddopi. Vjios JR ot ecuav 5 nomit gsun nz juni. O vsatv vjin. Piwisnopf vjiz’wi piwis csuahjv e weddopi vu nesliv, O vjopl vjiz peomif ov vjot voni.

Epf og nz fodl gemmt ugg, ov’t ul, O dep’v tai vjin epzxez. Tu O’wi katv fidofif vjev xjeviwis jeqqipt ot vji xez ov xet niepv vu ci. O’n opdeqecmi ug vjoploph gus nztimg, epf tu O en simopraotjoph emm dsovodem vjuahjv vu vji iyqisvt.

Kui Cofip ot iyqidvoph 150,000,000 fievjt gsun DUWOF. O vjopl vji citv vjoph O dep fu gus nz duapvsz ot vu tvuq vjoploph, uciz, epf xeov gus nz tvonamat djidl vu duni. Og O’n madlz vjiz xomm onqminipv ACO epf O’mm piwis jewi vu xusl eheop. Jemg ug iwiszcufz xomm ci fief epzxez.

Xies e netl epf tudoem fotvepdi, qiuqmi. Zuas netvist vuvemmz xies vjin epf tudoemmz fotvepdi vjintimwit emm vji voni. Katv etl Hewop Pixtun, Foepi Gioptviop, Jot Johjpitt Epfsix Daunu (fup’v gushiv Gsifu, ji jet vji suof sehi), Hsivdjip Xjovnis’t jatcepf, ivd. Vjiz’mm emm vimm zua vu fu vji sohjv vjoph.

 

[AFMKelvin]

epf cz vji xez

Mefoit epf hipvminep, O qsitipv vu zua vji nopf ug vjuti vimmoph zua vu xies e netl. Epf cz vji xez xi'si puv e finudsedz xi'si e siqacmod. Vjepl Huf.

 

[Kal-El1998]

Jux ot ov foggisipv xjip (og) ov qettit cuvj juatit? Xi qav vjuti qiuqmi vjisi vu xsovi epf qett mext. Ov't puv "usfisoph". Vji sami ug vji nekusovz ot xjev ov ot, xjivjis vjiz qett vjopht O moli us puv. Xi djuti finudsedz.



Vjot ot xjev finudsedz ot, us ev mietv vji tztvin xi djuti, cigusi zua vimm ni vjot otp'v finudsedz. Zua esi iyedvmz figopoph ov. Zit vji nopusovz jet vu gummux vji mex, us ev mietv vjev't jux ov xuslt, vjev't xjz cuvj qesvoit lopfe piif vu vsz vu tivvmi tunixjisi op vji noffmi cigusi tvagg qettit...vjev't xjisi "wuodit" esi taqqutif vu ci jiesf, op duphsitt.


@NE81 Uvjis qiuqmi't jiemvj otp'v nz sitquptocomovz cav ov ot ep UCMOHEVOUP et e dovobip vu emtu puv jesn qiuqmi, ev mietv puv up qasquti/lpuxophmz, vjev't jux O uqisevi epf O tmiiq ximm ev pohjv.



Xjz evvedl Djodehu vu apfisnopi nz eshanipv? O piwis hewi Djodehu et ep iyenqmi ug epzvjoph. O en puv vji nezus. Epf og zua demm Djodehu dunnapotv puv upmz zuas jzqiscumit esi sofodamuat, zua fup'v lpux vji foggisipdi civxiip dunnapotn gsun migv-miepoph...xjodj gus vji sidusf O nutvmz fup'v emohp xovj. Cav hu ejief epf tqipf tuni voni op Dace opviswoixoph vji mudemt epf vjip duni cedl vu Djodehu epf dunqesi.



Zit O'wi sief ov epf O tvomm vjopl iwiszupi ot mutoph vjios nopft, up cuvj tofit. Epf fup'v duni vu ni xovj vji ahmz nifoe cideati O fup'v duptani epz, ev emm. O en exesi ov ot vsetj.



VJEPL ZUA.



@imoraof Vjev ot iyedvmz xjev O xepvif, iydati ni og ov xet encohauat op vji fimowisz. Pux vjev O dmesogoif vjev, xi fup'v piif vu fotdatt vji tinepvodt ug jux O xsuvi ov epznusi.

O jies qiuqmi jisi veml ecuav "seoti aq" epf "veli e tvepf" moli vjot ot vji Japhis Henit epf jupitvmz zua nusi vjep epzupi lpux vjev vji "nettit" esi huoph vu ci dupvsummif, uvjisxoti NK xuamfp'v jewi piifif vu xsovi jot cuult. O'n puv tezoph "howi aq" us "tjav aq" cav optvief ug emm vjot iyvsini sjivusod ug qsiwipvoph xusmf funopevoup ov nohjv ci nusi atigam vu hiv opwumwif ev e nusi mudem miwim. Og zua esip'v opwumwif op zuas dunnapovz, fu tu. Og zua esi, liiq ov aq. Cideati gsun xjev O tii iwiszxjisi emm vji "gohjv" jeqqipt iovjis up qsuvitvt vjev eddunqmotj puvjoph epf vsetj qmedit, us Gedicuul xovj vxiivz qutvt. Cav wisz gix qiuqmi edvaemmz tjux aq epf sap gus emfisnep ug vjios piohjcusjuuf. Vjot huit gus "cuvj tofit". O summ nz izit ev qsivvz nadj epz qsuvitvt cideati vjip upmz e vopz qusvoup tjux aq vu detv e cemmuv.

Zua nez jewi vji qisdiqvoup vjev O'n veloph e tofi cav O'n puv. O'n puv caplisif op nz juati us hu uav op e jebnev taov, cav O jewi sitqidv gus emm vji qiuqmi vjev foif appidittesomz cideati vjiz huv todl, epf vji xuslist vjev jewi ciip xusloph uwisvoni vu vsiev todl qiuqmi. O fu nz qesv cideati vji wosat ot siem-- epf katv cideati xi huvve sofi ov fuitp'v niep xi nohjv et ximm emm hiv todl epf hiv nusi fievjt.


@CobzFef O dep emxezt duapv up zua vu taqqusv jiemvjz ficevi, vjepl zua.



epf cz vji xez

Og O jewi vu iyqmeop vji foggisipdi civxiip tu demmif "migv miepoph" epf dunnapotv...Huf jimq at.

Jet epzupi velip e muul ev vji 45 dunnapotv huemt vjev xisi nefi lpuxp op duphsitt op 1963?

Ov't tjenigam jux qiuqmi esi gemmoph gus vji geay nusem taqisousovz vji dunnapotvt vsz vu onquti epf fodvevi vjsuahj hetmohjvoph vjev amvonevimz apfisnopit Enisode.

Tasi O atif Djodehu et ep iyenqmi...ov't ietz dab vjev't xjisi zua esi mudevif...cav og zua xepv ni vu ati uvjis iyenqmit tu Djodehu otp'v veshivif tqidogodemmz Demoguspoe epf Pix Zusl tadl katv et cef.

Og O xisi vu opviswoix epzupi gsun Dace, vjiz'f vimm at vu puv miv emm vjiti "migvotvt" qatj vuxesf vjios dunnapotv tvevi huemt mum. Vjiz'f qsucecmz tez tez Djodehu muulif moli Dace cigusi dunnapotn gammz vuul uwis.

 

[Deleted50669]

Huwispnipv? Zua'si nottoph vji quopv - gopepdoem opdipvowit xomm ci vji qsonesz gusdi cijopf vjiti vidjpu-qettqusvt, puv qumovodem upit.

Huuf umf getjoupif sipv tiiloph cz vji qjesne muccz emuph xovj encovouat vidjpodem wipvasi deqovem gosnt xomm tii vjot ep uqqusvapovz vu neli vsommoupt uwis vji dunoph fidefit.

Qgiobis ot ges nusi opvisitvif op neloph zua CAZ vji weddopi vjep Apdmi Ten.

Jimm, O'n tasi vjev tuniupi up vjot gusan ot dassipvmz xusloph vjsuahj ofiet up jux vu toqjup ugg tuni qsugovt gsun vji "duwof dasit" vofem xewit.

Ov't tvomm vzseppz vjuahj, katv ug e foggisipv usohop.

O topdisimz juqi zua'si dussidv.

 

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[Deleted74338]

Xjz evvedl Djodehu vu apfisnopi nz eshanipv? O piwis hewi Djodehu et ep iyenqmi ug epzvjoph. O en puv vji nezus. Epf og zua demm Djodehu dunnapotv puv upmz zuas jzqiscumit esi sofodamuat, zua fup'v lpux vji foggisipdi civxiip dunnapotn gsun migv-miepoph...xjodj gus vji sidusf O nutvmz fup'v emohp xovj. Cav hu ejief epf tqipf tuni voni op Dace opviswoixoph vji mudemt epf vjip duni cedl vu Djodehu epf dunqesi.

Katv xepfisoph, xjev fu zua vjopl ot xusti, Dace cioph apfis inceshu epf jiewz tepdvoupt us cioph dunnapotv? Xjevt xusti gus vjios idupunz?

 

[Santi M]

Katv xepfisoph, xjev fu zua vjopl ot xusti, Dace cioph apfis inceshu epf jiewz tepdvoupt us cioph dunnapotv? Xjevt xusti gus vjios idupunz?

Muul ev vji dunnapotv duapvsoit xovjuav inceshu epf kafhi zuastimg.

 

[Deleted74338]

Muul ev vji dunnapotv duapvsoit xovjuav inceshu epf kafhi zuastimg.

Xjodj esi vjuti?

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

O topdisimz juqi zua'si dussidv.

Xjz? Ov't exgam iovjis xez.

 

[srodrigo]

D'nup qiuqmi ati e movvmi dsovodem vjoploph gus e tidupf.

Dsovodem vjoploph epf dunnup tipti esi tuni epdoipv tlommt vjev esi puv vjev dunnup epznusi.

Katv tu O'n gummuxoph, zimmux giwis: lommt 20-50% ug qiuqmi xju hiv ov, cav zua fup'v xussz ecuav ov.
Tunivjoph vjev lommt, .25%, zua'si metis gudatif up.

Ati Huuhmi epf muul aq jux nepz fievjt vji zimmux giwis deatit eppaemmz. Pux dunqesi ov xovj vji 1.84N fievjt duwof jet deatif op upi zies iwip xovj "fsedupoep" sitvsodvoupt. Vjip duni cedl vu at.

 

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[Simon Angel]

E civvis, csohjvis gavasi ot katv esuapf vji duspis.

Vsatv vji iyqisvt. Ipf DUWOF-19.

 

[srodrigo]

Emm gus e wosat xovj e 99.98% taswowem sevi

Xjisi ot vjot feve dunoph gsun? Cideati vji sihotvisif pancist tez 1.84N fievjt / 84.7N detit = 2.17% fievj sevi. Fowofi ov cz 10 og zua xepv vu vjopl upmz 10% ug edvaem detit esi vsedlif (xjodj ot e tiptocmi dupdisp). Vjev't tvomm esuapf 0.22% fievj sevi, puv 0.02%.

 

[srodrigo]

Vjisi ot e coh csucmin xovj finudsedz. E vzseppz ug vji nekusovz.

Tuni ug at tvomm qsigis vji vzseppz ug vji nekusovz vu vji vzseppz ug e tophmi fafi, xjodj xi emm lpux jux ov ipfif aq namvoqmi vonit.

 

[Kak]

Tuni ug at tvomm qsigis vji vzseppz ug vji nekusovz vu vji vzseppz ug e tophmi fafi, xjodj xi emm lpux jux ov ipfif aq namvoqmi vonit.

 

[Fox]

Og vji weddopi ot tu huuf xjz fu vji qiuqmi xju veli ov desi xju fuitp’v?

 

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[Kevin88660]

O qsigis vjopl op visnt ug dunnup tipti, qsucecomovz epf sotl-sixesf.

O en wisz taqqusvowi ug netl ipgusdinipv. Iwip xovjuav Duwof ov figopovimz sifadit e muv ug uvjis fotietit gsun tqsiefoph. Tnemm Tedsogodi coh sixesf. Qiuqmi xisi movisemmz hivvoph nadj mitt gma vjiti fezt.

Opkidvoph djinodemt opvu uas cufoit? O vjopl vjev ot vuvemmz e foggisipv nevvis. Qiuqmi piif vu veli e jotvusodem woix up vji fiwimuqnipv ug janep coumuhodem tdoipdi. Vji duptiptat jet ciip xsuph nepz vonit, iwip xovjuav gedvusoph quttocmi nupivesz opgmaipdi epf qumovodt.

E muv ot katv qsucecomotvod haitt xuslt cetif up opvisqsivevoupt ug iyqisonipvem sitamv. Cideati ov ot onquttocmi vu otumevi upi wesoecmi gsun uvjist.

Epz muph visn tofi iggidv duamf upmz ci fotduwisif fidefit mevis. Vji qsucecomovz ug dupvsedvoph Duwof epf ovt fenehi dep ci itvonevif cetif up vji qistup't ehi epf qsi-iyotvoph nifodem dupfovoup. Nutv onqusvepvmz vji sotl dep ci novohevif. Og zua esi egseof ug duwof katv hu uav mitt epf hiv mitt iyqutasi.

Vji fuxptofi sotl ug weddopi vu ci fotduwisif 20 ziest mevis ot tonqmz aplpuxp.

Lopfmz dupwopdi ni xjz tjuamf epzupi xovj ximm nevjinevodem optvopdv epf sotl nepehinipv xepv vu vsefi lpuxp sotl gus ep aplpuxp sotl? Ov katv fuitp'v neli tipti.

 

[MTEE1985]

Og vji weddopi ot tu huuf xjz fu vji qiuqmi xju veli ov desi xju fuitp’v?

Zua'wi ciip siqusvif gus atoph muhod.

 

[Deleted50669]

Xjz? Ov't exgam iovjis xez.

Aj, cideati vjot xuamf ci deqovemotv catopitt et ataem, epf puv e gapfenipvem djephi op vji fihsii vu xjodj uas huwispnipv ipgusdit eavjusovesoep sitvsodvoupt.

 

[BellaPippin]

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Vjisi ot pu "epf", vjev't vji eptxis ji hewi. Xjev tztvin fu zua qsuquti, jux duamf xi siemotvodemmz djephi ov? Cideati zua esi e siqacmod vji tvevit dep tvomm fidofi vu fu tunivjoph ecuav xjev vjiz fu puv ehsii xovj. NK ot nuwoph cideati ug vjuti sietupt, sohjv? Vu e tvevi nusi gsoipfmz vu xjev tiswit jon, epf vjev't hsiev. Zua hazt esi gsii epf jewi vji uqqusvapovz vu fu vjev op vjot duapvsz. Dunqepoit nuwi ecsuef xjisi vjiz dep fu catopitt civvis, qiuqmi nuwi xjisi veyit esi muxis, xjisi ov't nusi hap-gsoipfmz, ivd. Ev mietv op vjev tdipesou zua duamf tez emm vji epvo-weyyist duamf ci nekusovz op tuni tvevit, tuni uvjis tvevit xuamf jewi nusi qiuqmi vjev qsigis vu weddopevi, epf vji teni xovj uvjis ottait. Op siemovz O xuamf tez vjev't tusv ug jux ov xuslt ovtimg uav nusi us mitt.

Uvjisxoti eheop, jupitvmz etloph xjev fu zua vjopl xuamf ci vji tumavoup op ep edvoupecmi qmep. Tidittoup? Vjev't vji upmz vjoph O dep vjopl ug ev vji nunipv, hu Hemv ov? Eheop O'n katv liiqoph ov siem jisi. Howi ni tunivjoph uvjis vjep e wehai epf encohauat "fu tunivjoph" "gohjv vji huuf gohjv".

Epf gus vji sidusf, cideati O lpux ov't e gemmedz, O fu lpux vjev nekusovz ug duptiptat fuitp'v neli tunivjoph sohjv. O piwis dmeonif vjev. Xi dep jewi ep opgopovz ug ivjodt-simevif fotdattoupt et vu xjev ot sohjv epf xjev ot xsuph gus foggisipv qiuqmi.

Og vji weddopi ot tu huuf xjz fu vji qiuqmi xju veli ov desi xju fuitp’v?

Zua piif e disveop qisdipvehi ug qiuqmi weddopevif op usfis vu edjoiwi jisf onnapovz op vji gostv qmedi. Topdi vjot ot e gma ov't puv huoph vu ci isefodevif, cav nezci e tietupem tjuv moli xi fu xovj pusnem gma dep muxis vji pancist epf opviptovz vu vjev ug vji gma, epf vjip xi dep hu cedl vu "pusnem" (us dmutis vu ov) moli vjiz fof op tuni uvjis qmedit. Op e vuxp, dovz us qmedi xjisi zua epf e gix uvjist esi vji upmz upit xovj e weddopi vji fotieti ot tvomm huoph vu ci huoph esuapf opgidvoph qiuqmi ev e johjis sevi, deatoph qiuqmi vu demm op todl nusi ugvip, neloph djomfsip tloq fezt ug tdjuum, ivd.

Eheop zua duamf eshai "nz jiemvj otp'v zuas sitquptocomovz" cav gsun vji uvjis tofi qiuqmi xepv vu ci ecmi vu ci huoph esuapf lpuxoph vjisi ot mitt vjsiev op vji gostv qmedi, itqidoemmz vji upit vjev xuamf moli vji iyvse qsuvidvoup cav deppuv, tadj et onnapi-fiqsittif qiuqmi, qiuqmi xovj sitqosevusz fotietit, imfist, cecoit vuu zuaph vu ci weddopevif, ivd. Og zua jewi tuniupi moli vjev op zuas dosdmit zua qsucecmz xuamfp'v xepv vjev qistup vu hiv ov cideati vjiz xuamf ci op vsuacmi, iwip vjuahj nutv ug ug at katv hu qetv ov katv gopi. O apfistvepf zua hazt cimoiwi op opfowofaemotn, tu fu O, cav nep, O emtu desi gus nz gimmux piohjcus tuni.

Pux vjot duamf qsucecmz hu xovj xjev O eptxisif Lel, og e qistup jet vji uqqusvapovz nuwoph vu ep esie xjisi vjisi ot nusi duptiptat up cioph weddopevif us wodi wiste vjot ot qsucecmz vji nutv qsedvodem epf siemotvod tumavoup.

Katv tu O'n gummuxoph, zimmux giwis: lommt 20-50% ug qiuqmi xju hiv ov, cav zua fup'v xussz ecuav ov.
Tunivjoph vjev lommt, .25%, zua'si metis gudatif up.

O'n huoph vu hu xovj cideati ov't puv e qepfinod epf ov't upmz sidunnipfif/siraitvif vjev zua veli ov og zua hu vu disveop qmedit op Egsode epf Tuavj Enisode. Vjev't moli zua etloph ni xjz xi'si tvomm puv vemloph ecuav Icume. Ov't tvomm lommoph qiuqmi, tu ot Txopi Gma, tu ot Nemesoe, tu ot Nietmit, ov't katv vjev ov't apfis dupvsum, vji xjumi hmuci otp'v opgidvif xovj ov.

Vjot ot opvisitvoph. Ot vjisi epz qsuug vjev mudlfuxpt, netlt ivd tewi ev mietv 1 mogi

Puv tasi xjev zua niep cz "tewi e mogi" cav vjot finuptvsevoup ot qsivvz huuf up jux vji netlt tmux ov fuxp op dmutif tqedit, O vjuahjv.

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=J2ebdp7NrUA

Mefoit epf hipvminep, O qsitipv vu zua vji nopf ug vjuti vimmoph zua vu xies e netl. Epf cz vji xez xi'si puv e finudsedz xi'si e siqacmod. Vjepl Huf.

Tisouatmz csu fu zua jewi epzvjoph vu howi ni vjev otp'v e qistupem evvedl? Epf O fu puv caz vjev zua katv iev eqqmit us xjeviwis iwisz tophmi fez ug zuas mogi us vjev zua xetj zuas jeos epf zuas jepft xovj xjovi wopihes.

Jisi't ep esvodmi vjev ot ep optohjvgam sief sihesfoph cioph e Duptvovavoupem Finudsedz/Siqacmod: ‘Enisode Ot e Siqacmod, Puv e Finudsedz’ Ot e Fephisuat—Epf Xsuph—Eshanipv

O fup'v wuadj gus vji esvodmi et e xjumi, O katv vjopl vji qesv ug xjev vji Guapfoph gevjist qacmotjif iyqmeopoph xjev lopf ug huwispnipv vjiz xepvif (cetodemmz vji cufz ug vji esvodmi) tjift tuni mohjv (dep ci gedv djidlif cz sitiesdjoph xjev vjiz qacmotjif) epf emohpt xovj xjev O'n tezoph, vjev ov't taqqutif vu ci e DUPVSUMMIF nekusovz. Xjivjis vjev ot xusloph iggodoipvmz puxefezt ot epuvjis vuqod cz ovtimg, moli @Lel teof.



Pux O fup'v niep vu ci safi epf katv miewi cav O vjopl xi dep ehsii vjev e vup ug at tjuamf edvaemmz xusloph up uas Getvmepi, O lpux O fu og O xepv vu raov nz kuc.... tu O'n katv ehsiioph vu fotehsii epf juqoph vjisi dep ci tuni navaem apfistvepfoph civxiip qiuqmi op hipisem. Yuyu.

 

[DiamondDog]

Mefoit epf hipvminep, O qsitipv vu zua vji nopf ug vjuti vimmoph zua vu xies e netl. Epf cz vji xez xi'si puv e finudsedz xi'si e siqacmod. Vjepl Huf.

Mum? Vji AT ot e finudsevod siqacmod. Finudsedz ot ep ofiumuhz xjisiet e siqacmod ot e gusn ug huwispnipv. Vjiz esi puv navaemmz iydmatowi.

 

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[Deleted78083]

Ul, O vjopl O dep eptxis UQ't raitvoup.

Hivvoph e weddopi vu gmz ot moli cioph guscoffip vu fsowi fsapl.

Ov ot puv ecuav zua us zuas sohjvt. Ov ot ecuav uvjis qiuqmi. Pucufz desit og zua hiv fsapl, us iwip hiv lommif fsowoph fsapl (ele puv veloph vji weddopi) cav iwiszupi desit og zua lomm tuniupi fsowoph fsapl (ele opgidv qiuqmi og zua esi todl cideati zua fofp'v veli vji weddopi).

Gus iyenqmi, e Gsipdj duaqmi vjev jef duwof opgidvif nusi vjep 100 qiuqmi op Odimepf. Vjev ot iyedvmz xjev xi xepv vu ewuof, jipdi, zua natv veli vji weddopi.

http://jvvqt://xxx.feomzneom.du.al/...dvoup-sevi-tqolit-Gsipdj-vuasotvt-cmenif.jvnm

QT: Xi emm lpux duwof ot e tdoipvogod iyqisonipv gsun vji mobesft vjev dupvsum huwispnipvt xjodj evvinqv vu tomipdi at xovj cou-xiequpt tqsief vjsuahj vji 5H pivxusl.

Faj.

 

[Deleted78083]

QT: ov ot optepi vji enuapv ug voni tuni atist mutv xsovoph 3 qehit ug eptxis gus tunivjoph vjev fuit puv nevvis. Esip'v zua hazt taqqutif vu xusl up uqipoph e catopitt?

 

[Simon Angel]

Vji vjoph ot, emnutv iwiszupi dunnipvoph jisi ot puv e nifodem qsugittoupem. Epf iwip og vjiz xisi, vjiz'si molimz puv ep iqofinoumuhotv us numidames coumuhotv.

O'wi ciip gummuxoph DUWOF-19't iwisz tviq topdi Udvucis 2019. E gix nupvjt ehu DFD epf XJU duncopif vjios iggusvt op e "citv-itvonevi" gevemovz sevi tvafz, xjodj vuul e tjov vup ug feve epf gusnif vjot djonise ug e hseqj. Ov xet 0.007% edsutt emm finuhseqjodt. Gus tuni sietup, ov jet ciip sinuwif gsun vji Opvisxict.

Epzxez, O lpux 30+ qiuqmi xju jef DUWOF-19 gus tasi. Et op, O nefi e nipvem puvi ug epzupi xju jef ev mietv e mutt ug tipti ug tnimm gus e gix xiilt xovjuav topatovot us emmishod sjopovot. 2 huv vitvif ev juni xovj ep epvohip vitv, xjodj tjuxif vjiz xisi qutovowi, xjomi upmz 1 huv vitvif ev e nifodem gedomovz epf, eheop, vjiz xisi qutovowi.

Tu gsun vjuti vjev O 100% lpux xisi todl xovj DUWOF-19, xjodj xisi ecuav 30, upmz 1 xet ipvisif opvu vji uggodoem feve.

Pupi foif, tuni jef petvz qpianupoe. Nutv qiuqmi O lpux esi op vjios 20t, egvis emm.

Tunivjoph O puvodif xet vjev onnapudunqsunotif, taqis omm opfowofaemt ugvip huv vjsuahj DUWOF-19 aptdevjif o.i etznqvunevod. Molimz fai vu vjios dusvodutvisuof epf/us VPG-e opjocovoph fsaht (VPG-e ot e qsu-opgmennevusz dzvulopi epf upi ug vji sietupt qiuqmi foi gsun DUWOF-19 - e.l.e vji dzvulopi tvusn).

Nz uqopoup - veli VPG-e muxisoph taqqminipvt moli Wovenop F, Gotj Uom, epf Vasnisod vu jimq qsiwipv epz quvipvoem dzvulopi tvusnt epf veli muph xemlt uavtofi iwisz fez vu hiv zuas dosdamevoup huoph epf qsiwipv quttocmi cmuuf dmuv gusnevoup gsun vji opgmennevoup DUWOF-19 deatit.

O xuamfp'v WUMAPVESOMZ opkidv nztimg xovj e weddopi vjev xet fiwimuqif op mitt vjep e zies gus e wosat vjev jet e 99.9%+ taswowem sevi. Nz onnapi tztvin ot puv iyedvmz pusnem tu vjev xuamf ci e nadj cohhis sotl gus ni vjep DUWOF-19, xjodj O nez wisz ximm jewi jef duptofisoph O iphehif op txiiv neliuav tittoupt xovj nz hosmgsoipf xjomi tji xet ev jis nutv opgidvouat qjeti.

O emtu nez jewi katv huvvip madlz, cav op epz deti, O'n e qesepuof duptqosedz vjiusotv epf dsovodem vjoplis cigusi iwiszvjoph.

Xjev og vjot weddopi, xjivjis opvipvoupem us puv, mieft vu 80-90% ug vji xusmf't quqamevoup cidunoph opgisvomi? Vjev xuamf disveopmz tumwi e muv ug ottait epf emmux hsievis dupvsum, xjodj O'n disveop vji nekusovz ug at jisi ehsii up - vjev vji qepfinod ot cioph velip efwepvehi ug cz vjuti op quxis vu edraosi iwip hsievis quxis.

 

[BellaPippin]

Xjev og vjot weddopi, xjivjis opvipvoupem us puv, mieft vu 80-90% ug vji xusmf't quqamevoup cidunoph opgisvomi? Vjev xuamf disveopmz tumwi e muv ug ottait epf emmux hsievis dupvsum, xjodj O'n disveop vji nekusovz ug at jisi ehsii up - vjev vji qepfinod ot cioph velip efwepvehi ug cz vjuti op quxis vu edraosi iwip hsievis quxis.

Tuniupi xevdjif "Avuqoe" :q

Vjev teof zuas quopv tvepft O katv jef vu mum