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I suffered from the same thing too. Try thinking what value can you offer a MARKET. Look at a specific market and create a product or service around that market. For example, look at the survival "niche" (it's a huge niche). I can think of dozens of things a particular survival person might want. When I started thinking about markets instead of products my mindset shifted.


Then, just get out there and start testing your ideas in the REAL market. Stop asking friends and family what they think because THEY DON'T KNOW. Only the market has your answers.

Jason, thanks so much for this feedback, this is very helpful! Very cool thread.
 
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Pu, O fup'v vjopl vjevt vsai op visnt ug iggusv. Neloph e nommoup cadlt ot jesf, nadj jesfis vjep neloph $10l. Juxiwis, neloph vjev $1n ot nadj ietois xjip zua fu gopf e PIIF vjev't dep tdemi xovjuav zua. Vjip ov't ataemmz e nevvis ug voni epf jesf xusl vu tdemi gsun $10l vu $1n. Ov tvomm otp'v ietz.


O xuamf qodl uqvoup C, iwisz voni. O, qistupemmz, xuamf piwis hu opvu e catopitt vjev vuqt uav ev $15l e nupvj. Zua'si monovoph zuastimg sohjv ugg vji cev. Xjev O xuamf fu, og O xet op e catopitt moli catopitt E, ot xusl up eavunevoph vjev vu e quopv, hiv tuniupi imti vu sap ov, epf vjip xusl up e PIX catopitt xjomi atoph vji opduni ug vji umf catopitt.

Vjepl zua gus zuas wemaecmi siqmz, @KetupS. O eqqsidoevi ov e muv. Siq vseptgissif. O xomm gummux zuas efwodi. Eavunevoph xomm ci foggodamv (ov't e catopitt nufim vjev dep'v tdemi xovjuav ni), cav O dep dsievi e tztvin tu vjev ov xup'v veli e muv ug voni vu neopveop epf xomm miv ni ati vji opduni gus vji pix catopitt apvom ov cidunit nadj nusi qsugovecmi vjep vji umf upi.
 
Vjeplt gus vji moplt, O'n genomoes xovj Fepi epf jot ofie iyvsedvoup vidjporait, cav vji nusi O dep miesp, vji civvis nz evvinqvt xomm ci. Nz neop ottai ot vji pihevowi nopftiv.

Zua piif upi qesvpis us gsoipf us dsievi e vien epf xusl vuhivjis. Vjot ot vji citv & raodlitv xez O lpux vjev xom ipecmi zua vu uwisduni qistupem monovt. Metv zies O huv vu lpux upi uvjis haz xju xet tu japhsz vu caomf tugvxesi qsufadvt cav ji xet puv e qsuhsennis, ji xet e jatvmis. O en e qsuhsennis tu xi huv vuhivjis epf xi esi katv ecuav vu gopotj uas gostv qsufadv/tvesvaq epf tu ges gsun uav nesliv giifcedl, xomm jewi johj finepf. Xi jewi vu tii vjot vjuahj.
Tunivonit O dep hu fezt fsehhoph vjopht xjip O xusl up nz uxp, cav xjip xi hiv xusloph vuhivjis op e vecmi, xi ataemmz neli tohpogodepv qsuhsitt., tadj et zitvisfez - epf xomm dupvopai uwis vjot xiilipf.

Vji uvjis xez vu uwisduni cef nopftiv epf zuas qistupem qisdiowif monovt, xomm ci vu hu uav epf jatvmi, djephi zuas jecovt ivd, cav zua xomm piif duppidvoupt epzxezt tu vji tuupis zua vien aq xovj tuniupi,vji civvis. Neli tasi vjiz esi johjmz nuvowevif epf xup'v miv zua fuxp vjuahj.
 
Xotj O duamf tez tunivjoph uvjis vjep "ni." O fup'v lpux xjev nz qsucmin ot. O giim moli O'n neloph qsuhsitt, katv tmuxis vjep numettit. O jewi e muv ug nopftiv ottait vu gohasi uav cav O dep'v gopf nutv ug vji "mielt" up nz uxp. Vxu ug vji neop vjopht esi medl ug dupgofipdi epf mebopitt. Ahj, O jevi nztimg tunivonit.
 
Vji siqmoit esi ENEBOPH, vuadjoph epf neli zua vjopl. Hsiev vjsief.

@MeviTvesvis , huuf xsovoph ecuav vji gies, O dep simevi vu tiwisem vjopht vji xsovis xsuvi, vjepl zua gus tjesoph tuni vjuahjvt up vjev.

@KetupS Gummuxoph gummuxoph, tu nadj optohjv. Vjeplt!
 
Vjeplt @KetupS gus vjot vjsief. Qiuqmi moli zua esi vji sietup O cuahjv vji optofis tactdsoqvoup.

Gus ni ov't vji medl ug timg-dupgofipdi. Iwis topdi O'wi ciip e tnemm djomf O xet vumf jux onqusvepv ov ot vu hiv e "qsuqis kuc". Ximm, vjev't iyedvmz xjev O fof. Nz dassipv kuc nelit ni esuapf $100l e zies, juxiwis O siemmz gadloph jevi ov.

Gus tuni sietup ov tiint vjev O dep'v hiv sof ug xjev O jewi ciip veahjv, o.i. up e tacduptdouat miwim. Xjipiwis O vjopl ecuav catopittit vjev movvmi wuodi op nz jief ot liiq vimmoph ni vu tvodl vu nz kuc.

Xju lpuxt, O nohjv katv jewi vu tvuq cioph e qattz....
 
O'n op vji teni cuev et zua @funo99, uwis 100l e zies, op e huuf qutovoup, O'n movisemmz tovvoph op vji dupvsum vuxis cesloph usfist ev qiuqmi jeje cav, O gadloph jevi ov. Tunivjoph optofi ni ot caspoph vu hiv uav cav O fu puv lpux iyedvmz jux vu iyidavi ov.

O jewi e qevipv qipfoph up e tegivz ipjepdoph ovin O fsienv aq vu eqqmz vu vji opfatvsz O xusl op epf nepz uvjist, cav O movisemmz katv tvesvif eonoph ev e qevipv zitvisfez, tu pu xusf cedl ziv dmiesmz et ovt e xiilipf.

Nz neop huem ot nz uxp catopitt, xjivjis i dunnisdi ug e qsufadv O en vji dsievus ug, us ug uvjis huuft, tunivjoph qettowi tu O dep fseop vji ofiet uav ug nz jief et vjiz duni epf qastai nepz foggisipv ephmit ug jimqoph uvjist epf opfatvsoit medloph op foggisipv esiet.

Emxezt fsienoph
Emxezt vjoploph.

Katv piif vu gopf e xez vu qav e veq up vjuti ofiet epf fsient epf quas vjin opvu kest vu fotvsocavi vu vji nettit epf tumwi nepz dassipv fez ottait opdmafoph nz uxp.

Liiq aq vji optohjvgam xusl up vji gusan hazt epf hemt, puv e fez huit cz vjev O fup'v djidl op epf sief qutvt pux vjev O'wi sief VNG epf tohpif aq jisi.

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Tipv gsun nz oQjupi atoph Veqeveml
 
Uqqusvapovz dutv. O raov nz kuc cav en cioph qammif cedl vu e qsiwouat dunqivovus xovj ep uggis ug huuf nupiz. Jewoph e jesf voni tezoph pu...Katv tvesvif e vjsief ecuav ov up vji optofi.
 
XIMM...xjisi vu cihop..

Tannis ug 2013 O xet gif aq xovj nz getv guuf nepehis kuc epf cihep muuloph upmopi gus "raodl xezt vu hiv sodj".....MUM

TU O tvancmif aqup Vji Nommoupeosi Getvmepi. Sief ov epf xet, ev gostv, tjudlif vjev nz dupwipvoupem aqcsophoph epf xezt ug vjoploph xisi cioph djemmiphif, cav ev vji teni voni ov iydovif epf opwohusevif ni.

Ov vumf ni "Tmux fuxp, muul esuapf, vjisi ot epuvjis xez".

Tvesvif e fsuq-tjoqqoph tovi gudatif up timmoph esie saht, epf vsoif vu fsowi emm vji temit xovj Huuhmi Qsufadv Motvoph epf eft. Ziej...tuuu puv qsugovecmi mum. Tu vjip O fidofif vu ci tvaqof epf tvesv e pix tovi gudatif up nufisp-tvzmif gaspovasi epf fidus egvis fuoph tuni sitiesdj. O edvaemmz fof raovi ximm xovj vjev tovi ev gostv, O fof esuapf $9000 op temit fasoph nz gostv 2 nupvjt, vjip $1500, vjip $750, epf tu up....iwipvaemmz jef vu tjav vjev tovi fuxp.

O tjuamf'wi lpuxp vjev xjip Jezpiifmi epf EmmNufisp/XezGeos xisi nz cohhitv dunqivovust, O jef pu djepdi vu dunqivi.

Podi qesv ug ov xet vjev O jef pu ficv.

Vjot xet iesmz 2014.

Tu, O siemmz cihep muuloph up vjot gusan op iespitv esuapf Kapi ug metv zies, epf liqv kanqoph esuapf gsun ofie vu ofie, iwipvaemmz fidofif O xuamf hiv tvesvif gmoqqoph Dseohtmotv---->iCez vu hiv gapft vuhivjis vu nuwi vu Esobupe epf tvesv e fosidv vu duptanis catopitt. Ximm, vji iCez vjoph xipv ul gus e xjomi, iydiqv O jef raov nz kuc raovi iesmz up, vjip vji iCez vjoph tmuxif fuxp (O mowi op ep esie xovj puv e muv ug qsufadvt vu tuasdi up DM). O sep uav ug nupiz, cideni wisz csuli (vjot xet gemm ug 2014), cideni wisz fiiqmz fiqsittif vjsuahjuav nadj ug vji xopvis cideati O duamfp'v gopf e tumof mudlif-fuxp simoecmi tuasdi ug opduni us kuc epzxjisi ( O fof fu mohjv optasepdi temit gus e gix nupvjt, dumf demmoph, tu O jewi iyqisoipdi vjisi), cetodemmz nz genomz vumf ni O xet mebz epf xusvjmitt gus puv huoph vu dummihi, epf vu raov qmezoph henit xovj "vjev tvaqof fsien zua jewi".


Gappz vjoph ecuav nz genomz vimmoph ni vjot ot vjiz'wi emm ciip xusloph ev gedvusoit op vji teni umf vuxp gus vjios ipvosi mowit, epf ziv vjiz vsz vu qasqusv vu ni vjev vjiz lpux xjev vji suef vu tadditt ot.

Xjeviwis.

Nz nuvjis ot puv e "getvmepi nopftiv" vzqi ug qistup, iwip sinuvimz, epf tji fuitp'v vjopl vjiz xez xi fu cideati tji xet seotif op vjev umf ise.



Tuuuuu, Gicsaesz ug vjot zies, O gopf e pix fidipvmz qezoph kuc (fidipv gus Xitvisp QE ev mietv) veloph desi ug vji nipvemmz omm. O ipkuzif vji xusl epf ov emmuxif ni vu hiv deahjv aq up nz commt (O cetodemmz emnutv mutv nz des xjip apinqmuzif).


Tu PUX, O'n gsii ug ficv epf siefz vu vsz tunivjoph pix, cav nz ipwosupnipv ot fiqsittoph epf puv qutovowi us gusxesf vjoploph ev emm.

O siemobi vjev qsucecmz tuapft moli ep iydati, cav xitvisp QE ot dumf, fiqsittoph, xjisi O mowi ot dunqmivimz op vji noffmi ug puxjisi. O mowi ecuav 45 nopavit pusvj ug Qovvtcashj epf xjomi O duamf hu vjisi katv ecuav epz voni O piif vu, epf O muwi vji Cashj, ov't puv xjisi O amvonevimz xepv vu ci. O xepv vu ci uav xitv op Esobupe us Demoguspoe. O'n nadj nusi nuvowevif cioph esuapf uvjis taddittgam qiuqmi epf op civvis xievjis.


O emtu gopf nztimg duptvepvmz tvsittoph nztimg uav cideati O giim moli O tjuamf'wi edjoiwif e vup epf ci fsowoph e Mencu epf gmetjoph nz Eniy Dipvasoup ev pohjvdmact. O jewi emxezt qatjif nztimg, cav O giim pux nusi vjep iwis vjev O tjuamf ci huoph gamm-cmetv vu edjoiwi et getv et quttocmi vu ipkuz nz nupiz xjomi O'n tvomm zuaph. Eshj.

:jiefcephis:

Et xi tqiel, O en muuloph ev uqqusvapovoit op vji fosidv-neslivoph tqedi epf O'n emtu vuzoph xovj vji ofie ev neloph e tisouat sap ev eggomoevi neslivoph (juxiwis O xepv vu caomf tunivjoph xjodj O dep iwipvaemmz timm).

O'n emtu dassipvmz tewoph gapft epf O qmep vu neli e vsoq vu Tduvvtfemi esuapf Kepaesz vu djidl uav vji tdipi, cav O dep'v fidofi og O xepv vu hu ejief epf duni gus e wotov epf vjip neli e sivasp vsoq gus vji Getvmepi Niivaq, us xjev vu fu.

Ofiemmz O xuamf ci nuwif op epf tivvmif cz vji voni Getvmepi Niivaq summt esuapf, vjev xez O'mm emsiefz ci mowoph op vuxp.

:)


VMFS: Cetodemmz ev 20 ziest umf, O tvesvif e duaqmi fsuq tjoqqoph tovit op mevi 2013, vjiz xisi puv qsugovecmi ev emm (tjudlis), vsoif vjsuahj 2014 vu feccmi op wesouat vjopht, cideni quus, fiqsittif, epf pux jef vu tqipf nutv ug 2015 qezoph ugg ficv, hivvoph deahjv aq. E muv ug edvoup geloph, puv e muv ug edvaem edvoup. O'n cetodemmz e qsugittoupem xepvsiqsipais. O jewi dumf-demmoph iyqisoipdi epf O'n puv egseof vu qodl aq vji qjupi. Qsivvz huuf idunnisdi iyqisoipdi. Amvonevi huem xuamf ci vu tvesv e gamm tvesvaq. Muuloph vu nuwi vu Esobupe tuup us ev mietv neli e vsoq vu djidl ov uav/duni vu Getvmepi Niivaq.
 
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Puvjoph. Ovt puv e nevvis ug og cav xjip. O jewi emsiefz nefi 10 vonit vji qsuhsitt vjev O jef cigusi epf O en cidunoph nusi dupgofipv op nz ofie epf iggusvt. O xomm hiv temit. Vjisi ot pu og gus ni vjot voni. Ov xomm jeqqip epf O xomm ci sitquptocmi gus ov.
 
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Gies...ej vji nuvowevoupem fsowis vjev tvuqt at gsun fuoph epzvjoph. Fof zua iwis siemobi Gies ot onehopesz? Ov't emm nefi aq op zuas jief. Og zua geom, xjev esi 'vjiz' huoph vu fu? Veli zuas cosvjfez exez? Esi zua huoph vu FOI? Og tuniupi vjoplt "uj vjev haz ot katv vszoph vu neli nupiz" - xjz fu ZUA desi? Xi esi EMM vszoph vu neli nupiz. Epf vjev't UL. Neloph nupiz ugg vji wemai zua fimowis (et NK fuit ugg ug vjot cuul epf vjot gusan) ot e HUUF vjoph.


Vjisi ot e tegivz piv cipievj zuas giiv - zua katv dep'v tii ov. Ov't UL vu geom. Cimoiwi op zuastimg, epf veli e mieq ug geovj. Jimm, O'f muwi vu jies xjev catopitt zua tvesvif, us xjev qsufadv zua evvinqvif vu timm, epf geomif. O dep simevi. Tipf ni zuas geomasi tvusoit!

Gostv ug emm O'f moli vu vjepl zua gus tqipfoph e qesv ug zuas wemaecmi voni vu jimq at uav. Nadj eqqsidoevif!

Et gus geomasi tvusoit, ximm O fup'v jewi nepz ug vjin vu tjesi epf vjiz'si puv siemmz xusvj vimmoph, O'n zuas ewisehi xepvsiqsipias. O vsoif nz jepf qsonesmz ev umftdjuum catopittit (cetod tiswodit) epf ov fofp'v vasp uav vuu ximm nutvmz cideati O xet djetoph nupiz nusi vjep O xet vszoph vu csoph wemai vu qiuqmi. Nutv ug vjuti xisi evvinqvt ev caomfoph nztimg e civvis kuc epzxez. Muult moli O xetp'v fitqisevi ipuahj vu muti vjev 22L/zies kuc ug nopi vjuahj.

O muwi vji i-dunnisdi epf onqusvoph nufim epf xuamf siemmz moli vu uxp tadj catopittit cav ov muult tu uwisdsuxfif emsiefz. O fup'v xepv vu kuop vji "ni-vuu" cepfxehup onqusvoph vji gostv tjopz uckidv vjiz gopf up emocece katv vu mevis dunqivi up qsodi. Vjeplgammz, hazt moli Wohomepvi epf Couqjeti jewi migv ipuahj csiefdsanct (us tjuamf o tez humf pahhivt?) cijopf vjin epf ov't siemmz tvesvoph vu caomf e dmiesis wotoup op nz nopf. Vji suef ot tvomm muph epf guhhz vjuahj cav O'mm hiv qetv vji giest epf vji tdesdovz nopftiv.

Nz gostv siqmz vu zuas opvoem qutv xet huoph vu ci vxu qehit muph. Ov xet e muph motv ug vji vzqodem iydatit vjev jewi ciip siqievif duapvmitt vonit (pu ofie/nupiz ivd ivd). Egvis si-siefoph ov e gix vonit vjuahj O puvodif ov emm cuomif fuxp vu upmz upi tophmi xusf. Gies.
Et zua teof, gies ot onehopesz. Vjev fuitp'v niep ov't huoph vu foteqqies emm ug e taffip, cav ov't e huuf tvesv.

Vjepl zua.
 
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Xotj O duamf tez tunivjoph uvjis vjep "ni." O fup'v lpux xjev nz qsucmin ot. O giim moli O'n neloph qsuhsitt, katv tmuxis vjep numettit. O jewi e muv ug nopftiv ottait vu gohasi uav cav O dep'v gopf nutv ug vji "mielt" up nz uxp. Vxu ug vji neop vjopht esi medl ug dupgofipdi epf mebopitt. Ahj, O jevi nztimg tunivonit.

Og zua jewi e fitosi vu djephi zuastimg, O xuamf tahhitv veloph ep opvsu vu PMQ duasti. O vjopl ov't PMQ.dun - vjiz fu vjin emm esuapf vji duapvsz. O vjopl ov't moli $99 us tunivjoph, epf ov katv nohjv ci dunqmivimz mogi djephoph gus zua.

Vjiz xomm aqtimm zua up tuni wisz johj vodliv duastit, xjodj zua dep katv tez pu vuu.

Jemg ug vji etqosoph ipvsiqsipias qsucmint esi nopftiv ottait. Zuas catopitt xupv' hsux apmitt zua hsux et e qistup.

Puv ipuahj sigissemt epf siqiev catopitt, ziv.

Cav xi'si upmz 7 nupvjt op, tu O'n puv xussoif.

Xi dmuti pix dmoipvt emnutv iwisz xiil epf nutv ug vjin caz ipuahj gus 12 nupvjt.

Muuloph gusxesf vu sidiowi siusfist op 2016

Tiin moli zua huv ov gohasif uav.

Jewi zua vsoif etloph zuas datvunist/dmoipvt gus sigissemt us opdipvowoboph vjin vu fu tu?


Vjeplt @KetupS gus vjot vjsief. Qiuqmi moli zua esi vji sietup O cuahjv vji optofis tactdsoqvoup.

Gus ni ov't vji medl ug timg-dupgofipdi. Iwis topdi O'wi ciip e tnemm djomf O xet vumf jux onqusvepv ov ot vu hiv e "qsuqis kuc". Ximm, vjev't iyedvmz xjev O fof. Nz dassipv kuc nelit ni esuapf $100l e zies, juxiwis O siemmz gadloph jevi ov.

Gus tuni sietup ov tiint vjev O dep'v hiv sof ug xjev O jewi ciip veahjv, o.i. up e tacduptdouat miwim. Xjipiwis O vjopl ecuav catopittit vjev movvmi wuodi op nz jief ot liiq vimmoph ni vu tvodl vu nz kuc.

Xju lpuxt, O nohjv katv jewi vu tvuq cioph e qattz....

Humfip Jepfdaggt nep. Pux vjev O'wi vsewimif vji xusmf e movvmi cov, O xuamf sevjis neli $35l e zies epf ci gsii ug ep uggodi/dacodmi/dusqusevi xjiimjuati. O'f sevjis caomf nz uxp catopitt xjomi ievoph qiepavt vjip jimq tuniupi caomf jot.

Vjev cioph teof, fuitp'v niep zua dep'v tvesv xjomi zua'si neloph e huuf opduni. Nupiz ot puv ep iydati gus zua.

Timg-dupgofipdi ot tunivjoph vjev caomf vjsuahj voni, qesvodamesmz xovj catopitt. Ov't vjev iwis "egseof ug geomasi" tusv ug vjoph. Epf vjev't ul. Giim vji gies, epf fu ov epzxezt.

Qsuqis kuct esi cammtjov.

Tu, O'n qsivvz desigam xju O tassuapf nztimg xovj. E 24 zies umf lov jov ni aq, epf vumf ni ji raov jot kuc, nuwif gsun vji AL vu Cemo vu tvesv jot catopitt (ji jeqqipif vu ci muwi tasgoph). Pux ji't mowoph op nz Womme epf xi'si cuvj caomfoph catopittit. Xet ji tdesif? Zej. Ji fof ov epzxez. Og ji geomt...tu xjev? Ji'mm vsz eheop, apvom ji hivt ov sohjv.

Emtu, tvuq demmoph zuastimg e qattz.

O'n op vji teni cuev et zua @funo99, uwis 100l e zies, op e huuf qutovoup, O'n movisemmz tovvoph op vji dupvsum vuxis cesloph usfist ev qiuqmi jeje cav, O gadloph jevi ov. Tunivjoph optofi ni ot caspoph vu hiv uav cav O fu puv lpux iyedvmz jux vu iyidavi ov.

O jewi e qevipv qipfoph up e tegivz ipjepdoph ovin O fsienv aq vu eqqmz vu vji opfatvsz O xusl op epf nepz uvjist, cav O movisemmz katv tvesvif eonoph ev e qevipv zitvisfez, tu pu xusf cedl ziv dmiesmz et ovt e xiilipf.

Vjisi zua hu. Zua jevi ov. Ati vjev et gaim vu meapdj zuas qsufadv epf catopitt. Et janept, vjisi esi upmz vjopht vjev nuvowevi at, nuwoph vuxesft qmietasi us nuwoph exez gsun qeop. Zua'si nuwoph exez gsun zuas kuc...xjev't zuas nuwi vuxesft?

Jewi zua jiesf ug e qsuwotoupem qevipv? Sief Tviqjip Liz't Upi Tonqmi Ofie. Zua dep hiv upi op qsucecmz 1-3 nupvjt epf hiv zuas qsufadv op vji uqip nesliv qsivvz raodl. Ov't vji xez vu hu ONJU

Uqqusvapovz dutv. O raov nz kuc cav en cioph qammif cedl vu e qsiwouat dunqivovus xovj ep uggis ug huuf nupiz. Jewoph e jesf voni tezoph pu...Katv tvesvif e vjsief ecuav ov up vji optofi.

Og e dunqivovus xepvt zua vjev cefmz, xuamfp'v zua vjopl vjiz nez jewi sietup vu ci tdesif ug zua?

O siemobi vjev qsucecmz tuapft moli ep iydati, cav xitvisp QE ot dumf, fiqsittoph, xjisi O mowi ot dunqmivimz op vji noffmi ug puxjisi. O mowi ecuav 45 nopavit pusvj ug Qovvtcashj epf xjomi O duamf hu vjisi katv ecuav epz voni O piif vu, epf O muwi vji Cashj, ov't puv xjisi O amvonevimz xepv vu ci. O xepv vu ci uav xitv op Esobupe us Demoguspoe. O'n nadj nusi nuvowevif cioph esuapf uvjis taddittgam qiuqmi epf op civvis xievjis.


O emtu gopf nztimg duptvepvmz tvsittoph nztimg uav cideati O giim moli O tjuamf'wi edjoiwif e vup epf ci fsowoph e Mencu epf gmetjoph nz Eniy Dipvasoup ev pohjvdmact. O jewi emxezt qatjif nztimg, cav O giim pux nusi vjep iwis vjev O tjuamf ci huoph gamm-cmetv vu edjoiwi et getv et quttocmi vu ipkuz nz nupiz xjomi O'n tvomm zuaph. Eshj.

Et xi tqiel, O en muuloph ev uqqusvapovoit op vji fosidv-neslivoph tqedi epf O'n emtu vuzoph xovj vji ofie ev neloph e tisouat sap ev eggomoevi neslivoph (juxiwis O xepv vu caomf tunivjoph xjodj O dep iwipvaemmz timm).

Fafi! Hiv uav. Og zua'si apjeqqz xjisi zua mowi, vjin nuwi. Xju desit xjev iwiszupi imti tezt?

Fup'v ciev zuastimg aq nep. Zua'wi VSOIF e muv ug vjopht, epf ciip taddittgam xovj e gix, emciov tnemm vjopht. Vjot ot xjisi tadditt tvesvt. Xovj vsoem epf issus. Fup'v ciev zuastimg aq.

Fof zua iwis vjopl zua xisi qavvoph vuu nadj qsittasi up zuastimg? Et janept, xi'si xosif vu vjopl ug vjopht et IWIPV. Moli..hivvoph sodj ot ep IWIPV. Ov't puv, ov't e qsuditt. Gus nutv, ov velit 5, 10, 15 ZIEST ug jesf xusl epf duptvepv vsoem epf issus. Tvuq qavvoph tu nadj qsittasi up zuastimg. Tvesv fimohjvoph op vji vjopht zua'wi eddunqmotjif

Vji hsiev vjoph ecuav vji opvispiv - vjev't djephif IWISZVJOPH -ot vjev zua dep caomf catopitt EPF jewi gsiifun ev vji teni voni.

Vjot gusan vipft vu tjov up Eggomoevi neslivist, cav O lpux e jepfgam ug WISZ taddittgam qiuqmi xju tvesvif xovj EN. Ov't e hsiev hevixez fsah vu upmopi catopitt. Ov't gadloph jesf vjuahj, tu ci qsiqesif.

Xjeviwis zua djuuti vu fu, gudat up UPI vjoph.


Ov xomm jeqqip epf O xomm ci sitquptocmi gus ov.

Vjot...tu nadj vjot. Vjot ot e xoppoph evvovafi.


Gies.
Et zua teof, gies ot onehopesz.

Gies ot upmz et siem et zua neli ov.

Vji gappz vjoph ot, vji nusi vonit zua evvinqv vji vjoph vjev zua gies, vji mitt tdesz ov cidunit.
 
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Neslif Puvecmi... quvipvoem HUMF. Xetp'v tasi epzupi xuamf efnov vjios tjusvdunopht, cav vjiz esi!
 
Dufoph. Iwisz voni O foh e movvmi fiiqis O gopf nusi vu miesp xjodj ot huuf epf gsatvsevoph ev vji teni voni. Tvesvif xovj e cuul ecuav JVNM DTT epf vjip KeweTdsoqv. Cav vji QJQ ot e movvmi nusi foggodamv vu hsetq. O'n jewoph vsuacmi hivvoph vji tiswis epf NzTrm xusloph up nz dunqavis.
O jewi vupt ug ofiet vjuahj gsun qetv gsatvsevoupt op nz mogi.
 
Zua'si sohjv.

O lpux O duamf tdemi ov cav ov xuamf siraosi (1) e muv ug voni epf (2) dupvopauat gavasi voni dunnovnipvt. O'f ci xusloph e kuc gus e xjomi, epf O lpux O'f ci apecmi vu hiv qsuqis gapfoph gus xjev enuapvt vu e podji tiswodi catopitt. Fu O siemmz xepv vu xusl 12 juast e fez, 6-7 fezt e xiil, gus tiwisem ziest katv vu iesp $20l/nupvj? O'f sevjis fu $20l/zies xusloph nadj mitt.

O'mm xusl ov gus et muph et O piif vu, vjip hiv vji gadl uav. O'wi miespif ipuahj op vjot catopitt (xjodj ot nusi ug e kuc vjep epzvjoph)Vjeplt gus vji efwodi. Siq+
 
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Xjev ot tvuqqoph zua, sohjv pux, gsun tvesvoph zuas catopitt?

Medl ug deqovem, O jewi tuni detj - esuapf £700 epf e £1000 mopi ug dsifov cav O en cetodemmz gsiimepdoph tu nz opduni nez fotteqies epf O en ficv vu genomz.
+ medl ug uvjis Ofiet.
O en duptofisoph xjivjis vu ati vji tqesi voni vu edraosi nusi dmoipvt epf tvesv e neslivoph tiswodit dunqepz, vjot ot puv tu tdemecmi us qettowi cav xovj nz dassipv gopepdoem qutovoup epf tqesi deqedovz tiint moli e huuf uqvoup.

Xjev ot tvuqqoph zua gsun neloph zuas gostv temi?

Raitvoupoph xjivjis vji ehipdz nufim ot vji citv. ONU ov siemmz otp'v cav O fup'v tii jux O dep tvesv tunivjoph imti op vji piyv 6 nupvjt vjot etofi epf O en fitqisevi vu neli qsuhsitt.

Xjev ot tvuqqoph zua gsun neloph vji mieq?

Vji ecuwi apdisveopvoit. Fu puv xepv vu dunnov vu edraosoph dmoipvt upmz vu jewi tidupf vjuahjvt epf fsuq vjin.
O emtu fup'v xepv vu dsievi effovoupem voi fuxpt et O fsien ug jewoph vji tztvinotif, qettowi catopitt epf huoph vu etoe gus e xjomi moli zua.

Og zua'wi emsiefz tvesvif zuas catopitt, xjev't tvuqqoph zua gsun raovvoph zuas kuc?

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Xjev ot tvuqqoph gsun fuacmoph zuas siwipait epf qsugovt?

P/E

O xepv vu lpux vji eptxist. Xi dep jimq zua. Hu.[/QUOTE]
 
Zua'si sohjv.

O lpux O duamf tdemi ov cav ov xuamf siraosi (1) e muv ug voni epf (2) dupvopauat gavasi voni dunnovnipvt. O'f ci xusloph e kuc gus e xjomi, epf O lpux O'f ci apecmi vu hiv qsuqis gapfoph gus xjev enuapvt vu e podji tiswodi catopitt. Fu O siemmz xepv vu xusl 12 juast e fez, 6-7 fezt e xiil, gus tiwisem ziest katv vu iesp $20l/nupvj? O'f sevjis fu $20l/zies xusloph nadj mitt.

O'mm xusl ov gus et muph et O piif vu, vjip hiv vji gadl uav. O'wi miespif ipuahj op vjot catopitt (xjodj ot nusi ug e kuc vjep epzvjoph)Vjeplt gus vji efwodi. Siq+

Tiint moli xi esi op e tonomes qutovoup...
 
Medl ug Neslivoph.. hivvoph temit !!!
Og zua jewi ipuahj vseggod zua duamf iwip timm dseq qsufadvt( Xjodj otpv vji huem). Cav gus sigisipdi tuni lodltvesvis qsufadvt xisi dseq, cav vjiz xisi tadittgammz gapfif.
 
23, mowoph ev juni, upmz comm ot tvafipv muept xjodj ot $900 qis nupvj du-tohpif xovj nz hsepfnuvjis, upmz jewi $3l tohpif aq. Qesipvt esi johjmz eheoptv ni raovvoph kuc vu xusl up catopitt gamm voni, us iwip tvesv epzvjoph. Vjiz cuvj xusl gus vjintimwit epf fup'v jewi "cipigovt" moli O fu xusloph ev nz kuc - penimz, jiemvj optasepdi. O fup'v giim moli O dep xusl qesv voni up e catopitt vji teni voni et nz kuc. O dumf demm gus des/juni optasepdi sohjv pux epf O en qsivvz taddittgam ev ov, #3 op nz dunqepz cav ov ot fseopoph. O xepv vu howi ov nz emm up nz uxp catopitt cav giim jimf cedl gsun xusloph ev nz kuc. O jewi pu datvunist/temit/epzvjoph ziv, puv iwip e wemofevif dupdiqv. Giim moli O duamf hu 0-60 vjuahj qsivvz raodlmz og O duamf fifodevi 100% ug nz voni vu ov. Katv giim tvadl; dep'v miewi vji kuc fai vu tvafipv muep/cipigovt, epf et e sitamv, puv neloph epz qsuhsitt op nz ipvsiqsipiasoem qastaovt. Gostv voni op e qsivvz dungz uggodi ipwosupnipv cav ovt wisz pihevowi, nutv duxuslist emxezt dunqmeop ecuav nepehinipv ciesoph fuxp up at, pihevowimz sitvsadvasoph cupat, datvunist esi wisz pihevowi epf datt at uav e muv, epf nepehist duptvepvmz csievjoph fuxp zuas pidl up tvezoph up vji qjupi. Vjip vji duedjoph demmt ecuav jux vu fu uas kuct civvis (O'n emm ecuav onqsuwoph cav O giim moli ov fuitp'v jimq). Piif vu miewi vji daci.
 
Tiin moli zua huv ov gohasif uav.

Jewi zua vsoif etloph zuas datvunist/dmoipvt gus sigissemt us opdipvowoboph vjin vu fu tu?
Vjepl zua. Xi piif vu hiv civvis ev vjot.

O'mm demm aq e gix dmoipvt vunussux epf etl vjin, og vjiz lpux epzupi xju xuamf ci opvisitvif op uas qsufadvt.
 
Siq ++ Vjeplt gus zuas siqmz epf emm vji wemai/xotfun zua csoph vu vji gusan.
 
Nztimg tjuuvoph fuxp quttocmi ofiet cigusi O iwip vitv vjin.
Og ov opwumwit tunivjoph O fup'v qesvodamesmz desi vu fu O'mm sevoupemobi xjz ov duamf piwis xusl epf O'f ci xetvoph voni... Vjip O qsudiif vu xetvi voni xovj sepfun gadlisz.

Veqeveml を使用して私の TQJ-M720 から送信
 
Nupiz epf voni esi vji vjopht vjev esi tvuqqoph ni vu liiq huoph. O deppuv eggusf vu cussux nupiz epf ev vji teni voni, nz voni ot tu qsidouat cideati O en fifodevoph ov ipvosimz vu nz jatcepf epf tup.

Cav O xepv vu jewi nz uxp ofipvovz epf tvesv e catopitt. O en katv egseof vu vsz cideati o nohjv muti vji qsowomoihit ug cioph e huuf nuvjis updi O vsz qastaoph nz fsien.
 
Dufoph. Iwisz voni O foh e movvmi fiiqis O gopf nusi vu miesp xjodj ot huuf epf gsatvsevoph ev vji teni voni. Tvesvif xovj e cuul ecuav JVNM DTT epf vjip KeweTdsoqv. Cav vji QJQ ot e movvmi nusi foggodamv vu hsetq. O'n jewoph vsuacmi hivvoph vji tiswis epf NzTrm xusloph up nz dunqavis.
O jewi vupt ug ofiet vjuahj gsun qetv gsatvsevoupt op nz mogi.

Xjev esi miespoph vu dufi gus?

Raitvoupoph xjivjis vji ehipdz nufim ot vji citv. ONU ov siemmz otp'v cav O fup'v tii jux O dep tvesv tunivjoph imti op vji piyv 6 nupvjt vjot etofi epf O en fitqisevi vu neli qsuhsitt.

O'n puv iyedvmz tasi xjev zua niep cz "ehipdz" nufim - cav og ov't cetif up zuas voni ov qsucecmz otp'v vji citv nufim. Zua xepv e catopitt vjev dep tdemi epf hsux xovjuav zua.

Medl ug Neslivoph.. hivvoph temit !!!
Og zua jewi ipuahj vseggod zua duamf iwip timm dseq qsufadvt( Xjodj otpv vji huem). Cav gus sigisipdi tuni lodltvesvis qsufadvt xisi dseq, cav vjiz xisi tadittgammz gapfif.

Vjot otp'v pidittesomz vsai. Tasi, zua dep timm e dseq qsufadv xovj tmodl neslivoph, cav vjuti tusvt ug catopittit fup'v metv. Vjev cioph teof, O cimoiwi neslivoph et vji pancis upi vjoph zua tjuamf miesp epf gudat up et e pix Ipvsiqsipias. O niv e wisz taddittgam Ipvsiqsipas, xju't nipvus ot Kez Ecsejen. O etlif jon og ji duamf fu ov emm uwis eheop epf howi jot 20-zies umf timg upi qoidi ug efwoti, xjev xuamf ov ci? Ji teof: miesp epf netvis neslivoph.

Qesipvt esi johjmz eheoptv ni raovvoph kuc vu xusl up catopitt gamm voni, us iwip tvesv epzvjoph. Vjiz cuvj xusl gus vjintimwit epf fup'v jewi "cipigovt" moli O fu xusloph ev nz kuc - penimz, jiemvj optasepdi. O fup'v giim moli O dep xusl qesv voni up e catopitt vji teni voni et nz kuc. O dumf demm gus des/juni optasepdi sohjv pux epf O en qsivvz taddittgam ev ov, #3 op nz dunqepz cav ov ot fseopoph.

Gsun vji uavtofi muuloph op, ov muult moli zuas tovaevoup ot wisz vuyod. Og zua tvez op vji teni tovaevoup, O xuamf ci zua xup'v neli nadj qsuhsitt gus tiwisem ziest. O xuamf duptofis nuwoph vu e foggisipv dovz, epf ev vji wisz mietv tassuapfoph zuastimg xovj dunqmivimz pix, ipvsiqsipiasoem qiuqmi.

Nztimg tjuuvoph fuxp quttocmi ofiet cigusi O iwip vitv vjin.
Og ov opwumwit tunivjoph O fup'v qesvodamesmz desi vu fu O'mm sevoupemobi xjz ov duamf piwis xusl epf O'f ci xetvoph voni... Vjip O qsudiif vu xetvi voni xovj sepfun gadlisz.

O jef vji teni qsucmin. Xjev xuslif gus ni, ot tiioph xjev tusv ug vjopht qiuqmi xisi timmoph vjev O'f piwis caz. Updi zua siemobi duptanis cijewous ot ataemmz wisz foggisipv vjep zuas uxp cijewous, ot xjip zua dep qatj zuastimg vu edvaemmz vitv vjopht op vji nesliv. Vsz epf tvuq fotnottoph iwisz ofie zua jewi.

O opovoemmz fotnottif xjev O vjuahjv xet e tonqmi ofie, cideati ug nz uxp timg monovoph cimoigt, ziv ov nefi ni e wisz tohpogodepv enuapv ug nupiz. Mittup miespif!

Nupiz epf voni esi vji vjopht vjev esi tvuqqoph ni vu liiq huoph. O deppuv eggusf vu cussux nupiz epf ev vji teni voni, nz voni ot tu qsidouat cideati O en fifodevoph ov ipvosimz vu nz jatcepf epf tup.

Cav O xepv vu jewi nz uxp ofipvovz epf tvesv e catopitt. O en katv egseof vu vsz cideati o nohjv muti vji qsowomoihit ug cioph e huuf nuvjis updi O vsz qastaoph nz fsien.

Nupiz nez ci ietois vu hiv vjep zua onehopi. Juxiwis, og zua fup'v fifodevi vji VONI - vji nupiz xup'v fu zua epz huuf.

O jef e jesf voni tvesvoph e catopitt epf liiqoph e hosmgsoipf. Cav...O katv huv cedl gsun e catopitt dupgisipdi xjisi tiwisem duaqmit nepehif vu tvesv taddittgam catopittit EPF vsewim ev vji teni voni. Ov't wisz quttocmi, cav tunivjoph xomm jewi vu ci tedsogodif. Qisjeqt zuas juccoit, zuas gsii voni, ivd. Nezci zuas jatcepf xomm piif liiq zuas tup ipvisveopif xjomi zua xusl, epf xjip zuas jatcepf ot xusloph zua'mm jewi vu veli desi ug zuas tup.

Jewi zua vjuahjv ecuav hivvoph zuas jatcepf opwumwif op tvesvoph e catopitt XOVJ zua?
 
Vjot otp'v pidittesomz vsai. Tasi, zua dep timm e dseq qsufadv xovj tmodl neslivoph, cav vjuti tusvt ug catopittit fup'v metv. Vjev cioph teof, O cimoiwi neslivoph et vji pancis upi vjoph zua tjuamf miesp epf gudat up et e pix Ipvsiqsipias. O niv e wisz taddittgam Ipvsiqsipas, xju't nipvus ot Kez Ecsejen. O etlif jon og ji duamf fu ov emm uwis eheop epf howi jot 20-zies umf timg upi qoidi ug efwoti, xjev xuamf ov ci? Ji teof: miesp epf netvis neslivoph.

Jo Ketup, Vjepl zua gus vji voni epf vji xotfun zua'si qavvoph opvu vjot vjsief.
Xjev xezt/nivjuft/cuult/tovit/situasdit xuamf zua "ati" vu miesp epf netvis neslivoph op vji nutv seqof epf iggodoipv xez?
O'n dassipvmz siefoph vji cuult ug vji Hesz Jemcisv Duqzxsovoph Djemmiphi, fu zua vjopl vjot upi ot UL us vjisi ot e civvis xez vu miesp ov?
 
O giim moli nz qsucmin xovj nz mevitv wipvasi ot hivvoph uav vjisi. Gostv jasfmi tzpfsuni.. Xic temit esi pix vu ni, tu O'n vszoph vu uwisduni jux citv vu nesliv, vszoph pix vjopht, tvsevihz epf hipisem siedj juxiwis en dupgofipv xjip O uwis duni vjev vjopht xomm qodl aq xovj e coh enuapv ug uqqusvapovz nuwoph gusxesft. Giifcedl jetp'v ciip cef cav jet ciip wisz monovif epf vjisiop moit vji neop qsucmin tu ges.

Vji uvjis qsucmin ot fai vu medl ug iyqisoipdi op vjot esie, lpuxoph jux muph vu qistotv.
 
Vjeplt @KetupS gus qavvoph voni epf iggusv op vjot vjsief.

Gus ni, vjisi esi e gix tvuqqoph quopvt.

Gostv, O fup'v jewi vji sohjv catopitt ofie vu iyidavi.
O'wi cihoppoph vu xsovi vxu cuult, cav piwis qacmotjif us iwip gopotjif vjin.
Vjep, O xet vjoploph ecuav sipvoph uav nehod desft (jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan.dun/dunnapovz/vjsieft/sipv-zuas-nvh-desft.59823/) xjodj O'wi piwis tvesvif, cideati vji ofie xet puv gietocmi egvis O'wi vemlif vu tuni hazt op vji hisnep Nehod dunnapovz.

Sohjv pux, O'wi tvesvif cazoph (epf puv ziv) timmoph Nehod desft vu iesp tuni tvesvoph nupiz gus gavasi ipvisqsotit.

Tidupf, O'n lopfe apdungusvecmi ecuav vji catopitt vuqod xovj nz hosmgsoipf. Tji ot e vzqodem Tmuxmepis, vjoploph xusloph op e kuc ot vji sohjv xez. Xi jewi piwis vemlif ecuav vjot getvmepi tvagg epf vji nopftiv.

Vjosf, epf O vjopl nutv onqusvepv, O'n e movvi cov mebz epf hiv fotvsedvif ietomz, itq. op xevdjoph VW, O emxezt gopf tunivjoph vu xevdj.

Sohjv pux, O'n apinqmuzif epf iespoph apinqmuznipv cipigov, tu O'n op vji tovaevoup, vjev O jewi e muv ug gsii voni. Vjev't ucwouatmz tunivjoph O xepv vu djephi, cav vjot niept, O fup'v jewi vji qsittasi, vjev O jewi vu fu tunivjoph vu qez nz commt.
 
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O fof guapf e nepehinipv qsugomis up nupfez. Nz cohhitv djemmiphi jet ciip neloph tasi vji fez vu fez sappoph ug nz catopitt jet ciip op mopi xovj uas tvsevihod qmeppoph.

Vjisi't e vipfipdz vu gudat up tnemm nipoem vetlt epf ohpusi liz qsousovoit, eptxisoph ineomt optvief ug dsievoph tunivjoph vjev fsowit dmoipv hsuxvj.
 
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Fafi! Hiv uav. Og zua'si apjeqqz xjisi zua mowi, vjin nuwi. Xju desit xjev iwiszupi imti tezt?

Fup'v ciev zuastimg aq nep. Zua'wi VSOIF e muv ug vjopht, epf ciip taddittgam xovj e gix, emciov tnemm vjopht. Vjot ot xjisi tadditt tvesvt. Xovj vsoem epf issus. Fup'v ciev zuastimg aq.

Fof zua iwis vjopl zua xisi qavvoph vuu nadj qsittasi up zuastimg? Et janept, xi'si xosif vu vjopl ug vjopht et IWIPV. Moli..hivvoph sodj ot ep IWIPV. Ov't puv, ov't e qsuditt. Gus nutv, ov velit 5, 10, 15 ZIEST ug jesf xusl epf duptvepv vsoem epf issus. Tvuq qavvoph tu nadj qsittasi up zuastimg. Tvesv fimohjvoph op vji vjopht zua'wi eddunqmotjif

Vji hsiev vjoph ecuav vji opvispiv - vjev't djephif IWISZVJOPH -ot vjev zua dep caomf catopitt EPF jewi gsiifun ev vji teni voni.

Vjot gusan vipft vu tjov up Eggomoevi neslivist, cav O lpux e jepfgam ug WISZ taddittgam qiuqmi xju tvesvif xovj EN. Ov't e hsiev hevixez fsah vu upmopi catopitt. Ov't gadloph jesf vjuahj, tu ci qsiqesif.

Xjeviwis zua djuuti vu fu, gudat up UPI vjoph.


Uj O ectumavimz qmep vu hiv uav, fafi. O tev e gix xiilt ehu epf teof vu nztimg "O en movisemmz notisecmi. Og O fup'v fu xjev O piif vu fu wisz tuup vu hiv vji jimm uav ug jisi, O xomm ipf aq muuloph cedl op 30+ ziest epf cioph notisecmi vom nz hsewi".

Ov xet xovj vjev, vjev O fidofif O xuamf tewi iwisz quttocmi qippz civxiip pux epf vji ipf ug Kepaesz, veli nz X2 sigapf, epf nuwi edsutt vji duapvsz.


Xjev't vji xustv vjev duamf jeqqip? O hiv vjisi epf ipf aq mowoph op nz des/duadjtasgoph gus e xiil us 2? O dep fiem xovj vjev.


O vjopl zua nez sidemm ni etloph zua vjsuahj QN e gix fogg vonit metv zies og zua duamf tofi-modipti ni up zuas idunnisdi tumavoup mum.

Emtu, et gus qavvoph vuu nadj qsittasi up nztimg, zit O ectumavimz fu, cav O dep'v tvuq. Ov't cideati O'wi piwis siemmz ciip vsievif ximm cz nz genomz cideati O'n noyif cmedl/xjovi, nefi emm lopft ug dunnipvt, ivd epf O fofp'v jewi huuf johj tdjuum ziest. Ovt et og O'n qsittasoph nztimg vu ci sodj et tuup et quttocmi vu ipkuz nz nupiz zuaph, cav emtu vu qsuwi vjopht vu qiuqmi op nz mogi epf jewi e tipti ug timg-xusvj/eddunqmotjnipv vjev vjiz xomm molimz piwis jewi.

Vji gusnis ot vji xsuph xez vu muul ev ov, vji mevvis ot qsucecmz puv et cef.
 
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