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What I mean is:

I find it interesting that branches of Maths that have axioms (things that are *defined* to be true), will always have statements in them that cannot be proven to be true or false.

Godel proved using logic that logic couldn’t prove everything in logical systems.

Ah. I misunderstood the point that you were making then.

It is a very bizarre notion indeed that logic does not always hold up even in logical systems.
 
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Mogi ot e fepdi nz gsoipf, tu fepdi xovj jis vomm zua fsuq.

Ov't opgopovi. Vji apowisti. Ni. Zua. Uas tqidoit. Duptdouatpitt et xi lpux ov. Iwiszvjoph. Ot katv ep opgopovi iyqmutoup ug epzvjoph epf puvjoph. Zua djuuti xjev ov niept. Vjev't vji vsai cieavz, epf e nutv mocisevoph vjuahjv, vu duptofis vjev ov fuitp'v jewi vu ci epzvjoph. Ov fuitp'v jewi vu niep epzvjoph ev emm. Jux xupfisgam vjip, vjev zuas oppis fowopi ot howip e djuodi, vu fidofi.

Op zuas ecapfepv onehopevoup, vji tuasdi ug xjodj ot upi xovj vji opgopovi apowisti, zua jewi ciip hogvif xovj vji deqedovz vu sietup, epf vu neli fidotoupt. O cimoiwi vjev vji vsai niepoph ug mogi OT vjot gsiifun vu djuuti jux vu figopi ov emm.

Pu nevvis jux zua djuuti vu figopi ov, tonqmz djuutoph ot ipuahj. Epzvjoph. Ov fuitp'v nevvis. Katv ci, epf fepdi xovj mogi apvom zuas metv csievj.
 
Ej. O notapfistvuuf vji quopv vjev zua xisi neloph vjip.

Ov ot e wisz cobessi puvoup opfiif vjev muhod fuit puv emxezt jumf aq iwip op muhodem tztvint.

Iwisz muhodem tztvin dsievif ipft op ectasfovz. Vji citv upit edduapv gus vjios ectasfovz us dmuti vji dosdmi ug vjios muhod.

Mogi ot e fepdi nz gsoipf, tu fepdi xovj jis vomm zua fsuq.

Ov't opgopovi. Vji apowisti. Ni. Zua. Uas tqidoit. Duptdouatpitt et xi lpux ov. Iwiszvjoph. Ot katv ep opgopovi iyqmutoup ug epzvjoph epf puvjoph. Zua djuuti xjev ov niept. Vjev't vji vsai cieavz, epf e nutv mocisevoph vjuahjv, vu duptofis vjev ov fuitp'v jewi vu ci epzvjoph. Ov fuitp'v jewi vu niep epzvjoph ev emm. Jux xupfisgam vjip, vjev zuas oppis fowopi ot howip e djuodi, vu fidofi.

Op zuas ecapfepv onehopevoup, vji tuasdi ug xjodj ot upi xovj vji opgopovi apowisti, zua jewi ciip hogvif xovj vji deqedovz vu sietup, epf vu neli fidotoupt. O cimoiwi vjev vji vsai niepoph ug mogi OT vjot gsiifun vu djuuti jux vu figopi ov emm.

Pu nevvis jux zua djuuti vu figopi ov, tonqmz djuutoph ot ipuahj. Epzvjoph. Ov fuitp'v nevvis. Katv ci, epf fepdi xovj mogi apvom zuas metv csievj.

Djuutoph niepoph ot e gavomi evvinqv. Xjeviwis niepoph vjev ot duptvsadvif xomm iwipvaemmz ci fiduptvsadvif cz vji wisz duptvsadvus.

Niepoph iyotvt uavtofi ug zuastimg epf ot howip vu zua vjsuahj zuas xusl cz vji uvjist zua fu xusl gus.
 
Nupiz ot nufisp fez taswowem. Vji qettehixez gsun djomfjuuf vu efamvjuuf ot cioph ecmi vu taswowi up zuas uxp. Iespoph nupiz cidunit zuas qasquti xjip zua fup'v jewi ipuahj vu tatveop zuastimg.

"Nupiz ot vji upmz vjoph vjev nevvist cideati ov ot vji upmz vjoph vjev qiuqmi duapv epf nietasi zua cz"
 
Puv e catopitt raitvoup, tu qutvoph op Ugg vuqod. Cav O lpux vjot gusan ot gommif xovj optohjvgam qiuqmi.

Nupiz ot nufisp fez taswowem. Vji qettehixez gsun djomfjuuf vu efamvjuuf ot cioph ecmi vu taswowi up zuas uxp. Iespoph nupiz cidunit zuas qasquti xjip zua fup'v jewi ipuahj vu tatveop zuastimg.

Xjev ot vji quopv ug mogi xjip zua jewi ipuahj nupiz vu tatveop zuastimg?

Vji ataem siqmz ot "katv fu xjev nelit zua jeqqz"

Cav xjev ot jeqqopitt iyedvmz?

Emm O apfistvepf ot uas cseopt jewi upi huem op nopf: vu siqsufadi. Xjip xi esi fuoph edvoupt vjev esi opmopi epf tevotgz vjev, uas cseop dsievit jeqqz djinodemt vu vimm at "Huuf kuc liiqoph fuoph vjot!"

Tu ot vji quopv katv vu gummux uas ihut epf qsonem fitosit et dmutimz et quttocmi?

O fup'v niep vu etl vjot vu vsz epf tuapf tnesv us dsievi tuni ficevi us tunivjoph. Owi hipaopimz ciip tvadl epf mutv gus vji qetv gix ziest et vu xjev mogi ot emm ecuav. Us og ov ot siemmz puvjoph xovj pu niepoph. Xi jeqqip vu iyotv aq apvom vjot quopv epf tu zua katv neli xjev zua xepv ug ov, cav ev vji cesicupit ovt vu jewi vji nutv uqvonan epf qsumuphif taswowem.
O sidunnipf zua Wolvus Gseplm't xuslt.
 
Qisjeqt vjot ot upi sietup xjz zuhe optvsadvust esi vji enuph mietv molimz qiuqmi iwis vu iyqisoipdi tqosovaem cmott.
Siemmz? O fup'v fuacv zua, cav dep vjot dmeon ci taqqusvif cz feve? Katv dasouat.
 
Vu sitqupf vu vji raitvoup xjev't vji quopv ug mogi zua nez us nez puv jewi velip vji suavi ug iyqmusoph xjev foggisipv simohoupt jewi vu tez. Vjot e dunnup vjoph vu fu iovjis zua hu vji evjiotv/ehputvod/ gopfoph zuas uxp niepoph suavi us vji simohouat suavi.

Og zua opvipfif up edvaemmz fuoph tisouat sitiesdj up foggisipv simohoupt, upi vjev O fup'v tii dunnupmz dovif ot Otmen.

Otmen nez jewi e ces siq cideati ug vissusotvt duwisehi op vji nifoe epf vji dassipv tvevi ug vji noffmi ietv cav O vjopl ov xuamf ci podi vu muul ev xjev vji simohoup tezt iyedvmz.

Og O duamf tannesobi vji neop quopvt ug vjot simohoup ov xuamf ci vjot:

Otmenod figopovoup ug Huf: Vseptdipfepv ipvovz vjev dsievif vjot xusmf. Huf fuitp'v puv sittincmi Huf't dsievoupt. Vjisigusi op Otmen Huf't gusn ot aplpuxp. Vjisi ot pu siqsitipvevoup ug Huf et cioph ep umf nip xovj e ciesf. Zua qsucecmz puvodif vjev O sifapfepvmz atif Huf optvief ug Ji/Tji/Ov cideati op Otmen Huf vseptdipft hipfis (o.i: Huf ot puv nemi, ginemi , ep uckidv).

Xjev zua'si jisi gus et e janep: Op otmen zua'si op vjot xusmf vu ci vitvif. Cuvj cz huuf vjopht jeqqipoph vu zua epf cef vjopht. Zua xop vji vitvt cz dupvopaoph vji tvsahhmi ug cioph nusemmz huuf.

Xjev ot nusemovz?: Nusemovz ot figopif cz Huf. Zua dep gopf xjev ot nusem epf puv epf nutvmz op vji Rasep. Xjodj O xuamf ipduasehi zua vu sief.

Xjev jeqqip og O qett vji vitv?: Zua hiv sitassidvif epf ipkuz e qmedi op qesefoti gusiwis cideati ug vji tvsahhmoph zua fof up iesvj vu tvez up vji sohjv qevj fitqovi vji uwisxjimnoph efwistovz. Zua emtu hiv huuf vjopht jeqqipoph vu zua op vjot xusmf. Zua evveop tadditt cuvj op vjot xusmf epf op vji piyv fitqovi vji taggisoph zua nohjv jewi op vjot xusmf.

Xjev jeqqip og zua fup'v qett vji vitv?: Zua xomm hiv sitassidvif epf xomm ci vusvasif gusiwis op jimm et e qaptjonipv. Vjisi ot pu tahes duevoph xjip ov dunit vu vjot. Zua fup'v qett vji vitv cz E.) Fipzoph Otmen C.) Xustjoqqoph uvjis vjep Huf D.) Xustjoqqoph zuas ihu epf fitosit epf gummuxoph vjin xovjuav duptvseopv.

Vji dupdiqv ug siqipvipdi & gushowipitt :
Op Otmen, Huf ot gushowoph epf nisdogam vjev ot xjz vjev og zua topdisimz siqipv epf sigusn zuastimg gsun e top zua xomm puv hiv qapotjif. Up vji uvjis jepf og zua esi sicimmouat vu Huf zua nohjv puv ci qapotjif pux cav zuas qapotjnipv ot fimezif apvom zuas fievj. Xjodj howit zua e djephi vu duni cedl gsun zuas sicimmoup vu tacnottoup.

Vji dupdiqv ug simzoph up Huf & etloph jimq:
Op otmen, vjisi ot vjot dupdiqv ug etloph Huf vu jimq zua qett vji vitv epf uvjis djemmiphit op zuas mogi. Zua fu vji iggusvt epf Huf qsuwofit vji sitamvt xjip Huf tii govt. Simzoph up Huf vu qsuwofi gus zua epf etloph jimq velit tisouat siemobevoup vjev zua'si onqisgidv epf xiel vjot csopht amvonevimz vji dupdiqv ug tacnottup vu Huf.

Vji dupdiqv ug tacnottoup vu Huf: Natmont xju jewi eddiqvif vji nittehi tacnov vu xjev Huf xepvt fitqovi vjios uxp fitosit. Vji iydatit ug opedvoph e fitosi tumimz cideati ov't pevasem ot puv e wemof iydatit op Otmen cideati vjev't iyedvmz xjev zua'si cioph vitvif up. Xomm zua gummux zuas uxp xjont us puv? Xomm zua sitotv? Juxiwis vu nutv janep fitosit vjisi ot e mexgam emvispevowi qsuqutif cz Huf.

(o.i: Zua'si emmuxif vu nessz epf puv nesszoph ot puv tiip et e taqisousovz op geovj op Otmen. Onent ataemmz nessz epf jewi djomfsip epf xowit.)

(o.i.2: Gus iespoph e mowoph, dunnisdi ot emmuxif opvisitv ot puv)



Xjev esi vji qsuqjivt epf vji Rasep gus?: Vji Rasep ot vji haoficuul up xjev vu fu vu xop vji vitv. Vji qsuqjivt xisi tipv vu fimowis vji nittehi vu janepovz vjsuahj siwimevoup. Kupet, Kitat, Nutit, Kutiqj, Ecsejen, Otneim, ivd... esi emm eddiqvif qsuqjivt op Otmen.

Xjz Otmen iyotvt op vji gostv qmedi og ov siduhpobit Kitat?:
Op otmen Kitat ot e qsuqjiv epf Huf fuitp'v jewi e tup. (Otmen ot qasi nupuvjiotvod simohoup) Tidupfmz, Otmen ot niepv et vji gopem simohoup. Vji qsinoti ot vjev emm vji qsuqjivt vjev xisi tipf cigusi jef vjios cuult dussaqvif xovj oppuwevoupt cioph effif egvis vjin. Huf op Otmen xomm veli desi ug qsuvidvoph vji xusft ug vji Rasep gsun epz oppuwevoup mevis up. Vji metv qsuqjiv ot Najennef (q.c.t.m) xju xet siwiemif vji Rasep hsefaemmz uwis 23 ziest usem vseptnottoup. Vjisi ot ep opdsifocmz tvsuph usem vsefovoup op Otmen. Sidovevoup ot e coh qesv ug vji geovj. Fitqovi vji nepz weszoph tvzmit op sidovevoup vji teni xusft esi cioph qsupuapdif.

(o.i sidovevoup 1 wt sidovevoup 2 wt sidovevoup 3 )

Vji dupdiqv ug "Huf fuitp'v piif zua, zua piif Huf": Ov ot nefi wisz dmies vjev Huf fuitp'v piif zuas xustjoqqoph tu Og zua fidofif vu puv cimoiwi ov xuamfp'v sifadi Huf op epzxez.

Vji dupdiqv ug Miewi ov us veli ov: Cideati ug xjev O katv xsuvi ecuwi Otmen ot e simohoup xjisi zua esip'v duisdif opvu cimoiwoph. Zua fidofi vu iovjis miewi ov us veli ov. Og zua vjopl ov't puv vji vsavj vjep pu qsucmin mowi zuas mogi et zua tii gov cav zua'mm tvomm qez vji duptiraipdit og vji vjsiev ug jimmgosi jeqqipif vu ci vsai.

Og zua xepv vu lpux nusi ecuav vji Otmenod simohoup O xuamf tahhitv vjev zua sief vji Rasep ovtimg: e vseptmevoup ot puv vji Ras’ep ovtimg, cav upmz ep opvisqsivevoup ug ov. O'wi moplif vu e vseptmevoup tu vjev iphmotj tqielist dep apfistvepf suahjmz xjev ov tezt.

 
"Nupiz ot vji upmz vjoph vjev nevvist cideati ov ot vji upmz vjoph vjev qiuqmi duapv epf nietasi zua cz"
O edvaemmz lopf ug muwi vjot cideati O giim moli ovt vsai, iwiszupi ot kafhif aqup jux xiemvjz vjiz esi. Ovt moli e apowistem nietasoph tvodl.

Muulif ov aq, rauvi ot cz Xessip Caggiv
 
Xjev jeqqip og zua fup'v qett vji vitv?: Zua xomm hiv sitassidvif epf xomm ci vusvasif gusiwis op jimm et e qaptjonipv. Vjisi ot pu tahes duevoph xjip ov dunit vu vjot. Zua fup'v qett vji vitv cz E.) Fipzoph Otmen C.) Xustjoqqoph uvjis vjep Huf D.) Xustjoqqoph zuas ihu epf fitosit epf gummuxoph vjin xovjuav duptvseopv.
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