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What I've come to realise about the ideas for a while is that manosphere is that the majority of them are goofy & require you to be angry or annoyed to sustain themselves.
Case in point. Fear, annoyance, insecurity, "not enough to go around" ideas (a scarcity mindset). It's how many people are kept in these circles for so long without smelling the syrup and saying, "Hey, it's not all that bad after all."
For such a movement that encourages you to be a strong man, there is an awful lot of whining about others, looking to dominate people & not uplift them because they are "competition" and a lack of emotional control.
A lot of the self-improvement guys refer to a lot of bro-science, with no scientific sources or any reason to speak on such subjects. Only now have I realised, while writing a chemistry thesis, how in-depth you must be to understand a topic. However, I see many YouTubers making outlandish claims without sources to back them up—especially with evolutionary psychology.
When actual academics who have studied this for decades, such as Macken Murphy, come in with facts, you find a lot of stuff is just hogwash.
"Oh, but they're a part of the leftist agenda to make you all feminised! Scientists cannot be trusted!".
My brother in Christ, your best 'sources' are anecdotal.
Also, Hamza is a man. Like you. With flaws & strengths.
I wouldn't ever consider anybody I've watched, listened to, or read about online "my lifesaver". That's a recipe for ideological possession. Sure, they have great ideas, and sure, they may have changed my views, but I applied them. I don't owe them anything, nor do they owe me. I did the work.
Ideas are ideas, and I can change my mind at any point if a compelling argument is given to me. I've been ideologically possessed before, and it stunts growth because it's all about me, me, me - never considering the other.
Another thing to look at is if there is a conflict of interest between these people. Why are they pushing these ideas?
Another thing - this is outside of the locus of control. What can you control? I'm sure if you provided value to people, they wouldn't care who you are.
If you're looking for any different opinions, go to those who critique it and form your own opinion. Here are some good sources for alternative views of the manosphere.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6_TOFy3k6k&ab_channel=Shaun
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1FkO7Tr70A&t=1s&ab_channel=F.DSignifier
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgO25FTwfRI&t=235s&ab_channel=m%C3%BCnecat
I'm not saying I support them. I'm saying listen to both and form an opinion. You'll hear uncomfortable things and alternative perspectives & have to evaluate your stances. Chew the meat and spit out the bones.
Also, your overall writing style sounds like Hamza is speaking, not you. Even the way you're writing sounds like one of his scripts.
Be sure you're not ideologically possessed, as seen in this thread. Take back control and stop watching YouTube for a while. Enjoy yourself and make some value instead of ranting about a fake gender war.
I felt jealous, insecure and envious of women "surpassing" men using subscribers as criteria, it is ridiculous, but yet sincere, it was and is the point of this thread, but look, you're right, no control over it.
I always felt insecure my whole life, but mostly.
If you look closely without your ego trying to cover up reality women are literally surpassing men.
then someone is better than me, faster than me, effortlessly pulling up 100x more and he is younger than me, it is my deepest fear, to be less than someone, to find out my wrongness, my mistakes, it is like that deep, I hope it never happens, I am waiting for the moment when I will be perfect, but it will never come, but I am hoping, I hope it comes you know, I just want it, I want it more than anything in this world, to be perfect, better than everyone and better than myself by 10x each day in every aspect of my life.
Case in point. Fear, annoyance, insecurity, "not enough to go around" ideas (a scarcity mindset). It's how many people are kept in these circles for so long without smelling the syrup and saying, "Hey, it's not all that bad after all."
For such a movement that encourages you to be a strong man, there is an awful lot of whining about others, looking to dominate people & not uplift them because they are "competition" and a lack of emotional control.
A lot of the self-improvement guys refer to a lot of bro-science, with no scientific sources or any reason to speak on such subjects. Only now have I realised, while writing a chemistry thesis, how in-depth you must be to understand a topic. However, I see many YouTubers making outlandish claims without sources to back them up—especially with evolutionary psychology.
When actual academics who have studied this for decades, such as Macken Murphy, come in with facts, you find a lot of stuff is just hogwash.
"Oh, but they're a part of the leftist agenda to make you all feminised! Scientists cannot be trusted!".
My brother in Christ, your best 'sources' are anecdotal.
He is not your saviour. I have no idea why you're mad about someone else's success or if they "deserve" more success. It doesn't impact you.And here it is another thing, my lifesaver youtuber Hamza has less subscribers, more years of putting into effort, probably seven, than Thewizardliz which has only 30 videos (shorts not mentioned) and two years of experience, no editing and thumbnails on vidros and around six millions subscribers and cult like fans.
Also, Hamza is a man. Like you. With flaws & strengths.
- He went on a degeneracy streak, binge drinking, back-to-back clubbing, and lots of PUA. I'm pretty sure he flunked his degree as a result of it.
- He's had messy breakups.
- He's gone through a lot of difficulties as a child
- He also made a massive YouTube channel helping a lot of men. Hell, he even directed me to this forum.
I wouldn't ever consider anybody I've watched, listened to, or read about online "my lifesaver". That's a recipe for ideological possession. Sure, they have great ideas, and sure, they may have changed my views, but I applied them. I don't owe them anything, nor do they owe me. I did the work.
Ideas are ideas, and I can change my mind at any point if a compelling argument is given to me. I've been ideologically possessed before, and it stunts growth because it's all about me, me, me - never considering the other.
Another thing to look at is if there is a conflict of interest between these people. Why are they pushing these ideas?
- Andrew Tate --> Hustlers University
- Hamza --> Adonis School
- Clickbait titles & gender war pushing (Fresh & Fit/whatever.) --> more views + clicks.
It's never been easy for either- it's been pretty crap for both sides historically. Addressing one doesn't neglect the other.I am not talking about this exactly, but that for women it is actually became much more easier and for us to fall on their traps as well, it is hard, but for man it can be even more effortless than for anyone, there is a man like you or me, and there is men literally most men, for us it was always hard,
Another thing - this is outside of the locus of control. What can you control? I'm sure if you provided value to people, they wouldn't care who you are.
It's simply because you're unhinged at the moment. I'll explain.I just wanted someone's opinion more different than mine, I never rely on myself, look how f*cked my points can be?
You've only just been given an alternative point of view, and you've jumped ship. Chill. Remove the emotions. Think about it: things shouldn't always be events or major transformations every second. Sometimes, it takes a while to form our thoughts about something.It sounds... so ambitious... thank you, really, I appreciate it, whole world is and will be meaningless, but I now see the insane value of competition and being better and making someone worse than you is incredibly valuable to world, it is like my egotism met my altruism, IT IS F*CKING AMAZING, THNX, YET THERE IS MORE better philosophies or ways to think about the world and we're all certainly wrong, but it seems less wrong than my and most ideas about competition.
If you're looking for any different opinions, go to those who critique it and form your own opinion. Here are some good sources for alternative views of the manosphere.
I'm not saying I support them. I'm saying listen to both and form an opinion. You'll hear uncomfortable things and alternative perspectives & have to evaluate your stances. Chew the meat and spit out the bones.
Also, your overall writing style sounds like Hamza is speaking, not you. Even the way you're writing sounds like one of his scripts.
Be sure you're not ideologically possessed, as seen in this thread. Take back control and stop watching YouTube for a while. Enjoy yourself and make some value instead of ranting about a fake gender war.
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