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So Andrew, just so we're clear... you believe the ends justifies any means?
Based on this, I can safely assume you're cool selling sugar pills as a cure for any issue (while calling it great marketing) simply because the placebo effect is a proven phenomena.
Hey, as long as it works for some of my clients, it's great marketing! F*ck, who cares if the product isn't legit and I know it! X, Y, and Z said it worked!
My view is the complete opposite of that, largely based on my sarcasm I intended to put into that statement.
Some of the people who are calling him a liar are actually lying themselves with their ads, so my sarcasm was intended to mix with my anger at the hypocrisy. "Oh, for physical products, we can do this...but the moment someone puts out an educational training product....let's get the pitchforks and torches out."
I was tempted to post screenshots of their businesses using pictures of million dollar homes in their marketing materials (they they don't live in), and lying about client testimonials in order to make sales for their business....but I figure posting personal info about that type of stuff people on here are doing wouldn't be in good taste on a public forum, so my sarcasm came out instead...
That's what I meant, not advocating lying.
In case it came across as me advocating lying....I'm not.It seems like most people on this thread are big for "proof", so here's a screenshot from a month ago when even a close friend of mine asks me for a testimonial... this is how I reply:
My problems with other replies in this thread (and I know some of them go outside of your direct question):
And my views are based 100% on the main topic of the thread: A training course put out a guy to help other people have success in their lives.
1) People are ripping on his course, calling it a scam, yet they never even went through it!
Have you ever heard people call your book a "get rich quick scam"...when they haven't even read it? How would they know how great your book is, they haven't even read it. How many people here are jumping on his training course calling it a scam when they didn't even take the damn thing?
The video posted above... shows Frank Kern and others advocating scammy stuff. Is Tai in that video? Or did we group him in with other people and stereotype it together?
Seriously though - correct me if he is - I didn't see him.
2) Half the replies saying that he is lying come from rumors started on this thread (and not the truth).
It's kind of like that game telephone..one person says something that wasn't true, and the rest of the chain goes off of it.
- Someone said he "clearly leased a (mansion) for a day" to film a video....which is not true...But let's accept the rumor mill to be fact and continue building off of that.
- Then someone said he didn't make any money outside of info products...which is also not true.
I don't agree with the fake profiles on his dating site, and I don't agree with the shady rebills (that is probably the reason why he is vague about how he made his money). But does that also mean he didn't learn OTHER valuable business lessons in the process, which are not connected to that.
So he did shady dating and rebill stuff in the past...we all make mistakes and do stupid shit. And yes, while others of us make minor mistakes, that rebill thing is f*cked up....but this is where I differ from the opinion from most on here:
Let's say in his past, he has done the following and both are true:
- 99% things that are valuable lessons and skills he learned in business (how to get the right mindset, how to program a website, how to raise funding, etc.)
- He did shady rebills and a few others things that are bad.
That is where I differ.
I choose to focus on the valuable lessons in #1.
"Ok, he did shady rebills in the fine print, but the lesson I can learn from this is that recurring revenue is good. So if I put in big bold letters letting my customers know it will be a subscription service, they will be aware of it, and my lifetime customer value will go up so now I can afford more on advertising to reach more people."
Does his program add value to the customers?
Perhaps I'm biased because I'm currently creating a course similar to his... Let's say I make $60,000 per year selling magazines or XYZ product.
Over the past four years, I went from not even knowing entrepreneurship existed, to being self-sufficient and traveling the country.
Now my mission is to wake people up and help others do the same (similar to what Tai is doing - probably why I have strong opinions on this).
Let's say I make the $60k a year from my first businesses...and then I make $20 million teaching others how to do it;
With that $20 million I rent out a mansion for a year, and film videos in there because it resonates with the audience.
The number 1 feedback from people viewing my youtube videos:
It's not lying if he is living there, and if he can afford it.
If renting out a mansion for a year and making videos in the future helps wake tens of thousands of people up to a new way of life (financed by the training courses that help people), helps them break free from depression, and helps people live the life of their dreams...and they only heard of this training course because they see someone living in a mansion with a lambo..... I would say that that end justifies the means.
...as long as the product is good (which most people on here rush to make judgements on without even using it).
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