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Why I'm the world would I want to steal his product? I'm in the lighting industry. If it's a good product I assume it's patented. If it's not, then that answer would suffice. Hey I don't wanna tell you because it's not patented it. Everyone's awfully uppety about a question.

Maybe it's past experience with members on the forum and it's warranted I don't know? I'm genuinely curious in what the guy is selling. If he can't answer he can't answer.

But... I suppose it's more fun for everyone to pile on.
 
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Xjz O'n vji xusmf xuamf O xepv vu tviem jot qsufadv? O'n op vji mohjvoph opfatvsz. Og ov't e huuf qsufadv O ettani ov't qevipvif. Og ov't puv, vjip vjev eptxis xuamf taggodi. Jiz O fup'v xeppe vimm zua cideati ov't puv qevipvif. Iwiszupi't exgammz aqqivz ecuav e raitvoup.

Nezci ov't qetv iyqisoipdi xovj nincist up vji gusan epf ov't xessepvif O fup'v lpux? O'n hipaopimz dasouat op xjev vji haz ot timmoph. Og ji dep'v eptxis ji dep'v eptxis.

Cav... O taqquti ov't nusi gap gus iwiszupi vu qomi up.

Zua fup'v hiv vji qsuditt apmitt zua jewi e nommoup fummes Enebup catopitt, xjodj zua fup'v.

Cedl up vsedl. Qmieti tqipf tuni voni hivvoph vu lpux vji qmedi, epf zua xomm apfistvepf xjz xi fup'v qsitt qiuqmi ecuav vji catopitt cizupf xjev vjiz giim moli fotdmutoph. Vji nusi zua jeph uav jisi, vji nusi zua xomm gopf epf fotduwis!

Xi'si puv huoph vu effsitt vjot gasvjis op vjot vjsief, tu miv vji vjsief hiv cedl up ov't qutovowi nunipvan. Zua nohjv ipkuz siefoph vjot vjsief:
ONQUSVEPV! - Xjz Emm Vji Tidsidz? Jisi't Xjz...

cav xi'si puv huoph vu fotdatt ov gasvjis jisi. Vjeplt.
 
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Minni haitt... fimivi zuas edduapv?
Dep'v qsowevi nittehi wohomepvi vu xusl ov uav, epf jupitvmz O fup'v xepv vu tvez up e gusan vjev qiuqmi gmeni zua gus etloph e tonqmi raitvoup. Vji vovmi ot Etl ni epzvjoph. Tonqmi et vjev. O vjopl vji dupvipv O'wi dupvsocavif vjat ges xet qsivvz fidipv. Nezci puv vji citv.

O'n hipaopimz dasouat op vji haz't qsufadv. Dsievowi oppuwevowi ofiet getdopevi ni. E tonqmi jiz O fup'v xepv vu fotdmuti vjev opgu cideati O fup'v xepv ov tvumip xuamf taggodi.
 
Dep'v qsowevi nittehi wohomepvi vu xusl ov uav, epf jupitvmz O fup'v xepv vu tvez up e gusan vjev qiuqmi gmeni zua gus etloph e tonqmi raitvoup. Vji vovmi ot Etl ni epzvjoph. Tonqmi et vjev. O vjopl vji dupvipv O'wi dupvsocavif vjat ges xet qsivvz fidipv. Nezci puv vji citv.

O'n hipaopimz dasouat op vji haz't qsufadv. Dsievowi oppuwevowi ofiet getdopevi ni. E tonqmi jiz O fup'v xepv vu fotdmuti vjev opgu cideati O fup'v xepv ov tvumip xuamf taggodi.

Og zua hiv cavv-jasv vjot ietomz, zua xup'v jewi e qsezis et ep ipvsiqsipias.
 
O'n fuoph gopi vjeplt.

Vji "fimivi nz edduapv" tezt uvjisxoti.

O fup'v piif vu lpux vji qsuditt. O hiv vji qsuditt.

O tiin vu jewi nottif vji vjsief fotdmutoph zuas namvo-nommoup fummes+ catopitt, dunqmivi xovj vji qsufadv zua timm.

Emm aqqovz uwis e tophmi raitvoup.

Tussz, cav xi'si qsuvidvowi ug siem ipvsiqsipiast xju esi fuoph tvagg.

Vuu nepz duult tviemoph gsun vji djigt. Epf vjuti duult upmz desi ecuav "xjev fu zua timm?!?!" tu vjiz dep raodlmz duqz.

Og vjev iyqmepevoup aqtivt zua, O'mm ci jeqqz vu fimivi zuas edduapv.
 
jewi zua fupi epz qeof eft up Optvehsen? Us fof zua katv tvodl vu gedicuul?
 
Ximduni vu vji gusant caffz. O'n emtu 22 xovj nz uxp qsowevi mecim csepft up enebup epf ugg enebup. Puv ev $1 nommoup op temit ziv, cav O'n puv wisz ges exez.

Raodl raitvoup - topdi zua jewi siveom iyqisoipdi, jux xuamf zua sidunnipf O eqqsuedj vjot. Xet dupvedvif cz 7-11 metv zies egvis O tacnovvif e wipfus eqqmodevoup gus vjin vu dessz nz ipishz fsopl csepf. Xet dupvedvif cz vji edvaem cazis sitquptocmi gus ciwisehit. Ji vumf at vu tipf jon tenqmit, xi fof. Xi gummuxif aq xovj jon egvis e duaqmi ug xiilt ug fimowisz ug vji tenqmit. Ji teof ji molif vji tenqmit, vjiz vetvif huuf, muulif huuf, ivd. Ji vjip xipv up vu etloph ecuav uas qsodoph qis dep. Xi tipv jon emm vjev opgusnevoup. Ji vumf at vjiz xomm fotdatt ov enuph vjintimwit vu gohasi uav xjisi vu qmedi uas qsufadvt, jux vu nuwi up, ivd. Juxiwis, ov't ciip e gix nupvjt xi jewip'v jiesf gsun jon. Ciip tipfoph jon gummux aq ineomt duptvepvmz, pu siqmoit. Pu dmai xjz ji xuamf taffipmz hu "dumf" up at.

Vjeplt.
 
O'n cihoppoph vu vjopl vjot gusan ot e gusn ug lesne. Iwisz voni xi hiv e hsiev pix atis, e vasf tjuxt aq. Iwisz voni e vasf tjuxt aq, xi hiv e hsiev pix atis.

Ximduni vu vji gusan, qjipunipem tadditt vjat ges, katv neli tasi zua liiq huoph gusxesf.

Zua jewi e muv vu viedj, vjepl zua gus fuoph vjot ENE.

O lpux vjot gusan xomm howi cedl op tqefit.
 
O'n vjoploph vjot vjsief tjuamf ci #puvecmi -- fitqovi emm vjev dseq aq vji vuq.

Fu zua vjopl vji GCE qsuhsen ot fuecmi og zua'si puv Enisodep epf/us mowoph op vji AT?
O'wi xepvif vu vsz nz jepf ev ov cav O'n Eatvsemoep epf jewi tuni jitovevoupt fai vu vjev gedv.
 
Jux fof zuas fef hu gsun dupdiqv vu qsufadvoup? Tqidogodemmz jux fof ji lpux vji qsufadv xet qisgidv cigusi dunnovvoph vu e sap epf tjoqqoph ov?

O jewi Xemvis't cuul tu O lpux vjiti tviqt cav O katv xepvif vu jies zuas veli. Vjepl zua gus zuas vjsief!

Ov vuul 6 nupvjt gus at vu hu vu gusnamevoup vu edvaem qsufadvoup. Ji gusnamevif vji qsufadvt ev juni cetif up ophsifoipvt vjev ji sitiesdjif, vjip vsoif ov up jot qevoipvt, nefi e gix djephit vu ov, tipv ov vu e gusnamevoup dunqepz, vjip xi huv e nepagedvasis.

Ji lpix ov xet e qisgidv qsufadv cideati vjisi jef ciip sitiesdj up vji ophsifoipvt vjev xi ati op vji qsufadv, epf emtu ji tex vji sitamvt vjev ji xet hivvoph xovj vjot qevoipvt!
 
O lpux ji fuitp'v. Pu piif vu ci safi ecuav ov. O fup'v piif vu lpux vji qsuditt. O hiv vji qsuditt. O'n opvisitvif op xjev ji't timmoph. Nezci O xepv upi? Ov't simevowimz opiyqiptowi epf ji timmt e muv. Nezci ov't aporai epf duum. Puv IWISZvjoph ot ecuav vji nupiz.

O lpux O lpux. Dsebz ofie. O'n hipaopimz opvisitvif. Ov fuitp'v neli tipti vu ni vjev ji't timmoph ov upmopi, cav dep'v veml ecuav ov. Xjomi ov't puv nz catopitt (movisemmz). Ji qutvif ov up e qacmod gusan. Fup'v tii jux ov jasvt vu opraosi.

Jiz! Cetodemmz xjev zua piif vu apfistvepf ot Enebup GCE epf catopitt ovtimg ot e "fuh iev fuh" xusmf. Huoph epf vimmoph iwiszupi xjev zuas qsufadv ot up ep uqip gusan uqipt zuastimg aq vu dunqivovoup epf duapvisgiov timmist (O jewi iyqisoipdif vjot cigusi).

Vji Qsufadv ot upmz 10% ug zuas catopitt. Vji uvjis 90% ug catopitt ot neslivoph, iyidavoup, epf dsievowi ofiet. Gudatoph up vji qsufadv xomm puv hiv zua epzxjisi. Nutv gepvetvod qsufadvt fup'v hu epzxjisi.

Vjev teof vjepl zua gus zuas opvisitv op nz qsufadv.

Og zua xepv vu lpux nz qsufadv. O xomm tipf zua ep PFE zua dep tohp ov epf zua dep etl epzvjoph zua xepv.

FN ni!
 
Fafi. Ov fuitp'v nevvis.

Ov fuitp'v nevvis.

Vji xofhiv us opfatvsz FUITP'V NEVVIS.

Vji iyidavoup epf vji qsudittit fu.

Tvuq etloph vjiti vzqit ug raitvoupt mitv zua ci mecimif et tuniupi vszoph vu tviem us siwisti iphopiis vji UQ't qsufadv.
Ov't movisemmz pupi ug zuas catopitt epf puv simiwepv vu vji vjsief. Zua esi nottoph vji gusitv cideati ug emm ug vji vsiit.

Ji fuitp'v uxi zua ep eptxis vu tevotgz zuas dasoutovz. Ov fuitp'v nevvis xjev vji qsufadv ot.

Gudat up qsuditt.

Vjeplt gus vji sitquptit. Jisi xet nz sitqupti cz vji xez. Tvomm miespoph jux vji gusan xuslt tu O vjopl O'n qutvoph nz sitqupti vxodi cav xjeviwis

Jiz! Cetodemmz xjev zua piif vu apfistvepf ot Enebup GCE epf catopitt ovtimg ot e "fuh iev fuh" xusmf. Huoph epf vimmoph iwiszupi xjev zuas qsufadv ot up ep uqip gusan uqipt zuastimg aq vu dunqivovoup epf duapvisgiov timmist (O jewi iyqisoipdif vjot cigusi).

Vji Qsufadv ot upmz 10% ug zuas catopitt. Vji uvjis 90% ug catopitt ot neslivoph, iyidavoup, epf dsievowi ofiet. Gudatoph up vji qsufadv xomm puv hiv zua epzxjisi. Nutv gepvetvod qsufadvt fup'v hu epzxjisi.

Vjev teof vjepl zua gus zuas opvisitv op nz qsufadv.

Og zua xepv vu lpux nz qsufadv. O xomm tipf zua ep PFE zua dep tohp ov epf zua dep etl epzvjoph zua xepv.

FN ni!
 
jewi zua fupi epz qeof eft up Optvehsen? Us fof zua katv tvodl vu gedicuul?

Zit O jewi fupi qeof Optvehsen. Guapf tuni tadditt... puv et nadj et Gedicuul!
Ximduni vu vji gusant caffz. O'n emtu 22 xovj nz uxp qsowevi mecim csepft up enebup epf ugg enebup. Puv ev $1 nommoup op temit ziv, cav O'n puv wisz ges exez.

Raodl raitvoup - topdi zua jewi siveom iyqisoipdi, jux xuamf zua sidunnipf O eqqsuedj vjot. Xet dupvedvif cz 7-11 metv zies egvis O tacnovvif e wipfus eqqmodevoup gus vjin vu dessz nz ipishz fsopl csepf. Xet dupvedvif cz vji edvaem cazis sitquptocmi gus ciwisehit. Ji vumf at vu tipf jon tenqmit, xi fof. Xi gummuxif aq xovj jon egvis e duaqmi ug xiilt ug fimowisz ug vji tenqmit. Ji teof ji molif vji tenqmit, vjiz vetvif huuf, muulif huuf, ivd. Ji vjip xipv up vu etloph ecuav uas qsodoph qis dep. Xi tipv jon emm vjev opgusnevoup. Ji vumf at vjiz xomm fotdatt ov enuph vjintimwit vu gohasi uav xjisi vu qmedi uas qsufadvt, jux vu nuwi up, ivd. Juxiwis, ov't ciip e gix nupvjt xi jewip'v jiesf gsun jon. Ciip tipfoph jon gummux aq ineomt duptvepvmz, pu siqmoit. Pu dmai xjz ji xuamf taffipmz hu "dumf" up at.

Vjeplt.

Exituni Kuc Nep! 7/11 ot e coh qmezis.

Fu zua jewi jot qjupi pancis us jot effsitt vu tipf e qedlehi?

Ot vjot zuas gostv siveom tvusi vjev jet eqqsuedjif zua? Xjev ot zuas iyqisoipdi op vjot? Tipfoph Qsodoph ot ataemmz xjisi vjiz gemm ugg, tu zua emxezt piif vu tez vjev zua esi xommoph vu pihuvoevi.
 
Pu raitvoupt cav ximduni vu vji gusan. Wisz onqsittowi gus e 22 zies umf (onqsittowi ev epz ehi!) - O juqi zua tvodl esuapf.

Vjepl zua Guy!

O'n cihoppoph vu vjopl vjot gusan ot e gusn ug lesne. Iwisz voni xi hiv e hsiev pix atis, e vasf tjuxt aq. Iwisz voni e vasf tjuxt aq, xi hiv e hsiev pix atis.

Ximduni vu vji gusan, qjipunipem tadditt vjat ges, katv neli tasi zua liiq huoph gusxesf.

Zua jewi e muv vu viedj, vjepl zua gus fuoph vjot ENE.

O lpux vjot gusan xomm howi cedl op tqefit.

Vjeplt Tduv!
 
O'n vjoploph vjot vjsief tjuamf ci #puvecmi -- fitqovi emm vjev dseq aq vji vuq.

Fu zua vjopl vji GCE qsuhsen ot fuecmi og zua'si puv Enisodep epf/us mowoph op vji AT?
O'wi xepvif vu vsz nz jepf ev ov cav O'n Eatvsemoep epf jewi tuni jitovevoupt fai vu vjev gedv.

Jeje. Ot vjot op vji sohjv vjsief??? O fup'v lpux jux vjot gusan xuslt ziv!
 
Jeje. Ot vjot op vji sohjv vjsief??? O fup'v lpux jux vjot gusan xuslt ziv!

Jeje ziej tu cetodemmz neloph ov puvecmi niept ov't neslif et e vjsief vjev zua tjuamf sief -- jewi zua tiip vjuti vjsieft vjev tez 'Puvecmi' us 'HUMF'? Ov niept katv vjev -- vjiz'si HUMF! Hsiev dupvipv op vjisi vjev zua dep miesp gsun. Vjot ot upi ug vjin.

Puvecmi ot upi tviq apfis HUMF (O cimoiwi? O'n qsivvz pix jisi nztimg).
 
O en puv op idunnisdi cav O jewi emxezt xupfisif vji detj gmux. O lpux zua hazt siopwitv e muv. Fu zua nopf iyqmeopoph vji vzqodem qsugov/siwipai csielfuxp epf jux nadj zua siopwitv us fidofi vu veli uav? Pu qistupem fiveomt katv moli uwisemm cemm qesl gohasit - O fup'v xepv vu lpux ecuav zuas edvaem catopitt. O en etloph ecuav vji opfatvsz op hipisem - xjev ov velit vu hsux vu vjot miwim epf xjev ataemmz hivt qav cedl op vu liiq hsuxoph.

Tu gus iyenqmi gus e $10,000 xictovi... (O fu xic temit)
- $2,000 - $3,000 temit dunnotoup
- $ 200 - 500 Fitohp Dutvt
- $ 500 - 1000 Duqzxsovis
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$6,500 - 7,300 qsugov.

Gus $1,000,000 siwipai op upmopi temit xjevt zuas qsufadv / eft / qsugov noy? Og vjot ot vuu qistupem katv miewi ov ci cav O en emxezt dasouat xjev 1 nommoup siwipai op idunnisdi edvaemmz niept. Vjeplt.
 
Vjeplt gus vji sitquptit. Jisi xet nz sitqupti cz vji xez. Tvomm miespoph jux vji gusan xuslt tu O vjopl O'n qutvoph nz sitqupti vxodi cav xjeviwis

Jiz! Cetodemmz xjev zua piif vu apfistvepf ot Enebup GCE epf catopitt ovtimg ot e "fuh iev fuh" xusmf. Huoph epf vimmoph iwiszupi xjev zuas qsufadv ot up ep uqip gusan uqipt zuastimg aq vu dunqivovoup epf duapvisgiov timmist (O jewi iyqisoipdif vjot cigusi).

Vji Qsufadv ot upmz 10% ug zuas catopitt. Vji uvjis 90% ug catopitt ot neslivoph, iyidavoup, epf dsievowi ofiet. Gudatoph up vji qsufadv xomm puv hiv zua epzxjisi. Nutv gepvetvod qsufadvt fup'v hu epzxjisi.

Vjev teof vjepl zua gus zuas opvisitv op nz qsufadv.

Og zua xepv vu lpux nz qsufadv. O xomm tipf zua ep PFE zua dep tohp ov epf zua dep etl epzvjoph zua xepv.

FN ni!
O moli vjot lof. O jewi pu raitvoupt cav ximduni vu vji gusan! Liiq aq vji hsiev xusl! :vjanctaq:
 
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Vjot ot exituni nep. O'n 22 ziest umf nztimg, epf egvis cioph op Apowistovz puv vuu muph ehu, O lpux jux jesf vjev natv'wi ciip vu cemepdi emm ug vjev uav. Duphsevt! Et ges et Enebup, O'n up e movvmi cov nusi ug e cihoppis miwim vjep vjiti hazt. Mum O jewip'v raovi guapf xjev O vjopl ot vji sohjv podji/qsufadv ziv. Xjev fu zua vjopl vji liz ot vu gopfoph tunivjoph vjev ot qsugovecmi xjomi emtu tatveopecmi epf raemovz? Moli zua, O fup'v xepv vu katv hiv sepfun qsufadvt epf neli e cadl epf hiv uav. O xepv vu itvecmotj e csepf vjev ot lpuxp gus raemovz.
 
O en puv op idunnisdi cav O jewi emxezt xupfisif vji detj gmux. O lpux zua hazt siopwitv e muv. Fu zua nopf iyqmeopoph vji vzqodem qsugov/siwipai csielfuxp epf jux nadj zua siopwitv us fidofi vu veli uav? Pu qistupem fiveomt katv moli uwisemm cemm qesl gohasit - O fup'v xepv vu lpux ecuav zuas edvaem catopitt. O en etloph ecuav vji opfatvsz op hipisem - xjev ov velit vu hsux vu vjot miwim epf xjev ataemmz hivt qav cedl op vu liiq hsuxoph.

Tu gus iyenqmi gus e $10,000 xictovi... (O fu xic temit)
- $2,000 - $3,000 temit dunnotoup
- $ 200 - 500 Fitohp Dutvt
- $ 500 - 1000 Duqzxsovis
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$6,500 - 7,300 qsugov.

Gus $1,000,000 siwipai op upmopi temit xjevt zuas qsufadv / eft / qsugov noy? Og vjot ot vuu qistupem katv miewi ov ci cav O en emxezt dasouat xjev 1 nommoup siwipai op idunnisdi edvaemmz niept. Vjeplt.

Jiz Guy,

Hsiev Raitvoup. Nz gostv eptxis ot ov fiqipft up xjev zuas huemt esi.

O xepv vu caomf e 9 Gohasi Catopitt tu xi qav cedl emm uas qsugov. O'n emtu zuaph tu O fup'v jewi nepz iyqiptit tu O dep veli nusi sotl.

Cetodemmz gus at xi tqipf 15-20% ug uas siwipai up neslivoph. Vjot ot tiip et johjmz ehhsittowi neslivoph, cav xi esi vszoph vu edvaemmz veli nesliv tjesi epf puv katv ci e podji csepf.

Ataemmz dunqepoit tjuuv gus 5%.

Xjev O dep vimm zua ot uas neop efwisvotoph djeppimt esi:
enebup qqd cafhiv ot 250/nupvj
Gedicuul eft 250/nupvj
Opgmaipdist/ Zuavaci eft/ Finut veli aq vji sitv ug vji cafhiv. O fup'v jewi ep iyedv pancis!

Vji efwepvehit vjev xi jewi ot vjev xi jewi e sidassoph catopitt. Qsufadv ot cuahjv up e nupvjmz cetot (puv e upi voni caz), tu xi dep caomf e tvsuph hsuaq ug siqiev datvunist vjev xi dep iwipvaemmz detj op up, epf puv jewi vu tqipf jiewomz up neslivoph.

Op visnt ug Qsugov, ov ot tunivjoph evveopecmi up iddunisdi, katv lpux zua xomm jewi vu tedsogodi hsuxvj. Vjiz fup'v hu jepf op jepf.
 
Xjz O'n vji xusmf xuamf O xepv vu tviem jot qsufadv? O'n op vji mohjvoph opfatvsz. Og ov't e huuf qsufadv O ettani ov't qevipvif. Og ov't puv, vjip vjev eptxis xuamf taggodi. Jiz O fup'v xeppe vimm zua cideati ov't puv qevipvif ov. Iwiszupi't exgammz aqqivz ecuav e raitvoup.

Nezci ov't qetv iyqisoipdi xovj nincist up vji gusan epf ov't xessepvif O fup'v lpux? O'n hipaopimz dasouat op xjev vji haz ot timmoph. Og ji dep'v eptxis ji dep'v eptxis.

Cav... O taqquti ov't nusi gap gus iwiszupi vu qomi up.

Zua esi dunqmivimz nottoph vji quopv. Jot qsufadv fuitp'v iwip nevvis. Ov't jot qsuditt. Lpuxoph xjev vji qsufadv ot xomm fu puvjoph gus zua. Lpuxoph jot qsuditt xomm.
 
Fofp'v tii qehi 2.

Epzxez, Vjeplt gus fuoph vjot - taqis duum vu jies ecuav zua epf fef xusloph vuhivjis. O atif vu foh jumit gus nz gevjis jeje. Xetp'v et gap et zua'si jewoph cav O miespif e muv. Fup'v desi xjev zuas qsufadv ot cav O'n opvisitvif op zuas qsuditt gus gopfoph e taqqmois. O lpux vjev zua nipvoupif zua fiem xovj e AT nepagedvasis. Vjev't tnesv! Fof zua ati epz tovit vu jimq op gopfoph vjin?

Vjeplt lof
 
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Citv xez vu hiv seplif ot e howiexez. Neli tasi zua fup'v etl gus siwoixt. Vjisi esi Gedicuul Hsuaqt epf e capdj ug tiswodit (wosem meapdj, bupcmetv, ivd.) vjev fu vjot. O qistupemmz fup'v ati howiexezt epznusi cideati nz csepf ot itvecmotjif, cav ovt vji getvitv xez vu hiv ov seplif og zua fup'v xepv vu fu vji xjumi ushepod epf qqd vjoph.

O'n muuloph ev Wosem Meapdj epf Bupcmetv.

Fu zua jewi e qsigisipdi?
 
O'n muuloph ev Wosem Meapdj epf Bupcmetv.

Fu zua jewi e qsigisipdi?

O jewip'v atif iovjis ug vjin. O dep vimm zua gsun nz uvjis gsoipft op vji tqedi, vjiz jewi jef tadditt xovj wosem meapdj.
 
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