Being in a relationship with a slowlaner...

[CarrieW]

Wow this thread has my head SPINNING!

I saw a lot about FL men who date/ are married to SL women. Are there any FL women who date/ are married to SL men?

As a woman I fully believe that the majority, if not ALL women, regardless of if they will admit to it or not, have a preference for a man who can provide for her, and be that source of financial safety and security in the relationship. To me being financially stable has a direct correlation to how well you can lead a family/relationship and the options you have to provide that family with the vision they have and want for the family life. (This is one thought- because surely you can do those things with a SL job, but I'm obviously referring to this in regard to what a FL can do- and all the other reasons why FLers prefer the FL over the SL)

If you are a FL woman married to or dating a SL man, or if you have opinions on that type of dynamic in regard to this topic in general, can you please share it here, I would love to read it. Is the consensus the exact same as the FL men have for the SL women? I'm very curious to see what the women here think about it.

I assume there are no SL men on this forum, so to the FL men here, what do you think about the dynamic?

Personally, I am a young woman who is ferociously ambitious. I have the mindset, I have the courage, and determination, I have the discipline in me to sacrifice whatever I need to, and I am willing to take big educated, well researched risks to accomplish my (huge FL) ambitions. I love being self sustaining, and independent. I love the security of knowing I don't have to say, do or be someone I don't want to be because it is contingent upon financial help I need from someone. However, with all of this being true, inside of me I am attracted to men who are in high positions of power and authority. I am attracted to a super confident alpha male, who is a leader, and decision maker, and someone who is physically strong, who just looks and sounds like he can and will provide, protect you and keep you safe.

I know that I can not make it with a SL partner. Because for me, the mindsets and outlook on life are too far apart, regardless of if he supports me or not! I would not be ok with myself taking the effort needed to develop (self development/personal development/positive and effective habits) myself to what is necessary to succeed on this level while my slow lane husband was just content to do the slow lane thing, even though that's his right and choice and he isn't bothering anybody.

Reading all of the perspectives from the men, which I loved what Vegabond had to say, I am left wondering if the women are ok and satisfied with being with a Slowlane man, if they are with one.

Carrie, you have spoken up, so I would like to hear more of your thoughts on this. When I read your posts in regard to your hubby, the way you wrote it I was thinking well, of course he isn't going to not support your efforts, he is watching TV waiting for you to make it so he can benefit and he didn't have to go through anything hard or uncomfortable to get access to those benefits. So if you make it or not, he spent his time doing whatever it was he wanted to do, and remains unaffected either way, and meanwhile you have to address and deal with the results of your efforts. Maybe that's not how you meant it, but that's how it came off to me. For me personally, I would not be ok with something like this- if it's FL/ SL or SL/ SL. To me its like having a business partner who filed the LLC paperwork but did no research, no marketing, no phone calls, etc. but is always trying to make sure their cut came in on time.

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@CarrieW

What do you ladies think? I have no problem with sharing or providing in a relationship, both sides must contribute the best they can- hopefully at least 50-50. I think of relationships as being team mates who both put in what is necessary so they both can get out of it what they want and need. Maybe I need to mature more, because I feel like emotional support is not enough, my partner needs to be working just as hard and being just as ambitious about creating the best quality of life for us. I feel the partner needs to actually be on the same page with you and help you try to make it happen beyond saying I support you, keep working on it and I'm sure one day it will happen for you. Do I feel this way because I'm a woman, or is it because that is the most logical reason? In my head I know I feel this way because to me, it is the most logical thing. You aren't going to watch sports all day and hang out all day while I am sacrificing and reading and researching and being the most uncomfortable I've ever been, and then when it works out you want to come along for the ride and enjoy everything, I will feel some type of way! Will I have to give my man a monthly allowance so he can be in position to quit his job and live the freedom based lifestyle that I want and envision for myself?! HELL NO! I just can't see it. Wouldn't my man feel emasculated if I did that?

Do you guys think that highly successful women (like Oprah) or surgeons, attorneys, etc.who are not married has more to do with them not being able to find anyone, or because success has them limited and or stigmatized in some way?

I know I have these thoughts jumping all around, but please just respond to what you can. Because it seems like some people say a man should stay with a SL partner, but I wonder if anyone thinks that it makes no difference and a woman should stay with a SL man as well. If I was a man, I don't think I would want to be with a SL woman either, if I was doing the whole FL, so I'm not just saying this because I'm a woman.

I can see how it came across the way you are describing... and it is in reality as you said.

but here is my take on that.

When we got married almost 15 yrs ago, we were on the same page. something happened to me during the first year of marriage and I was unable to continue on that path. I became disabled.

we were not together for that long, I was very sick, never able to return to a normal job. there were no prospects of me retiring him like ever. the only prospect at that time was a young couple with a very small child and only one income. he was going to have to support me for the rest of my life, whether I ever produced another dime in my life or not. plus take care of children. that was not what he signed up for.

being the awesome man he is He stuck by me and took care of me and supported us. he could have bailed... a lot of guys bail for much less.

being the ever planner that I am as soon as it was realized that I wasn't able to work a J.O.B. I started looking into the new plan. how we were going to live the rest of our lives. how in the world he was ever going to retire without having 2 incomes. how were we going to get a house and take care of the kids etc..

it very quickly became glaring apparent that he was going to be working until the day he died and we were probably going to be eating cat food...

I started on my search to replace my lost income with my mind instead of my physical body.

I have been on this journey for a long time I have yet to prove anything to anyone other than I can gather information. the last 15 yrs have been spent with him working to take care of us and doing everything for the family that I physically can not do.

he could bitch that I stay up late and don't go to bed when he does, or that he has to make dinners and help take care of the house while I "waste" my time doing something crazy that he only believes is possible because I told him so. he could complain over every $ I spend on information. He could bitch that hes been doing all of this and I have been doing what is effectively nothing.

when I finally make it, it will be an honor to make sure that man never has to work another day in his life! he just turned 40 yrs old on may 20th. he is an auto mechanic. he doesn't have a 401k or a retirement plan. he has an awesome boss who respects him and allows him to take care of us. for the past 6 months he has been having pains in his hands from arthritis. from working so hard for so long to take care of us. I should have been able to retire him long ago. before his hands became permantly effected. that's my failure. not his.

he has done everything and anything I have needed since the day met him. I only pray one day I can return the favor...

earlier you saw me post about post nups..

the contents of ours will be to set him aside with enough money to never have to work again even if we don't stay married.

he will also get a chunk of money to do all the things hes wanted to do but not been able to because of us (me and the kids) like working on a race boat (had one he had to sell to move us to ga) and a brand new car. the man is 40 yrs old and while its the stupidest thing in the world to me he wants a brand new car and he is going to have it... and the rest of the money is mine to do with as I please. I already have free reign over every dollar in the house the only thing that will change is he will have his own instead of us taking every dime to live...

not every situation is like mine. and tho I love my husband for all he has done I am a realistic person and fair... it would be unfair of me to expect him to be in the same place I am. he has led a different life than I have. they were shared but definitely not identical...

 

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[CarrieW]

Dessoi, O'n csepf pix jisi tu O fup'v siemmz lpux zua, cav O jewi e giimoph zua esip'v siemmz qesv ug vji coh gev qesv op vji noffmi ug vji ginemi cimm daswi



Vjev't qsivvz nadj nz quopv. Xunip (cuvj nuvjist epf quvipvoem gavasi nuvjist) hipisemmz jewi e muxis sotl vumisepdi. Ov't moli vji foggisipdi civxiip e 50 zies umf opwitvus epf e 25 zies umf opwitvus.

sotl vumisepdi ot foggisipv gus iwisz qistup... nz sotl ewistoup ot nusi vuxesft qjztodem vjopht puv gopepdoem

vji upmz vjoph O gies op mogi xjomi nz loft esi zuaph ot fievj. O fup'v gies cioph csuli. O gies puv cioph jisi vu veli desi ug vjin xjomi vjiz piif ni. O xuamf mowi op e desfcuesf cuy et muph vji loft xisi ul vji mitt vjiz piif ni qjztodemmz qsitipv op vjios mogi vji mitt O gies iwip fievj mum

xjip vjiz xisi 2 epf 4 zst umf. tvomm cecoit O xuamfp'v miewi vjin uwispohjv. pux O xuamf vuvemmz ceom gus e gix nupvjt (cideati O lpux ev 11 epf 14 vjiz xuamf ci ul xovjuav ni gus e cov)

O en puv op vji noffmi ug epz cimm daswi vjev ot e gedv! MUM iwip xjip dunqesif vu nip O tvomm duni uav up vuq op nutv detit :Q xjev dep O tez O en gepvetvod jeje epf jancmi vuu!

 

[Nadia]

Xux vjot vjsief jet nz jief TQOPPOPH!

O tex e muv ecuav GM nip xju fevi/ esi nessoif vu TM xunip. Esi vjisi epz GM xunip xju fevi/ esi nessoif vu TM nip?

Et e xunep O gammz cimoiwi vjev vji nekusovz, og puv EMM xunip, sihesfmitt ug og vjiz xomm efnov vu ov us puv, jewi e qsigisipdi gus e nep xju dep qsuwofi gus jis, epf ci vjev tuasdi ug gopepdoem tegivz epf tidasovz op vji simevouptjoq. Vu ni cioph gopepdoemmz tvecmi jet e fosidv dussimevoup vu jux ximm zua dep mief e genomz/simevouptjoq epf vji uqvoupt zua jewi vu qsuwofi vjev genomz xovj vji wotoup vjiz jewi epf xepv gus vji genomz mogi. (Vjot ot upi vjuahjv- cideati tasimz zua dep fu vjuti vjopht xovj e TM kuc, cav O'n ucwouatmz sigissoph vu vjot op sihesf vu xjev e GM dep fu- epf emm vji uvjis sietupt xjz GMist qsigis vji GM uwis vji TM)

Og zua esi e GM xunep nessoif vu us fevoph e TM nep, us og zua jewi uqopoupt up vjev vzqi ug fzpenod op sihesf vu vjot vuqod op hipisem, dep zua qmieti tjesi ov jisi, O xuamf muwi vu sief ov. Ot vji duptiptat vji iyedv teni et vji GM nip jewi gus vji TM xunip? O'n wisz dasouat vu tii xjev vji xunip jisi vjopl ecuav ov.

O ettani vjisi esi pu TM nip up vjot gusan, tu vu vji GM nip jisi, xjev fu zua vjopl ecuav vji fzpenod?

Qistupemmz, O en e zuaph xunep xju ot gisudouatmz encovouat. O jewi vji nopftiv, O jewi vji duasehi, epf fivisnopevoup, O jewi vji fotdoqmopi op ni vu tedsogodi xjeviwis O piif vu, epf O en xommoph vu veli coh ifadevif, ximm sitiesdjif sotlt vu eddunqmotj nz (jahi GM) encovoupt. O muwi cioph timg tatveopoph, epf opfiqipfipv. O muwi vji tidasovz ug lpuxoph O fup'v jewi vu tez, fu us ci tuniupi O fup'v xepv vu ci cideati ov ot dupvophipv aqup gopepdoem jimq O piif gsun tuniupi. Juxiwis, xovj emm ug vjot cioph vsai, optofi ug ni O en evvsedvif vu nip xju esi op johj qutovoupt ug quxis epf eavjusovz. O en evvsedvif vu e taqis dupgofipv emqje nemi, xju ot e miefis, epf fidotoup nelis, epf tuniupi xju ot qjztodemmz tvsuph, xju katv muult epf tuapft moli ji dep epf xomm qsuwofi, qsuvidv zua epf liiq zua tegi.

O lpux vjev O dep puv neli ov xovj e TM qesvpis. Cideati gus ni, vji nopftivt epf uavmuul up mogi esi vuu ges eqesv, sihesfmitt ug og ji taqqusvt ni us puv! O xuamf puv ci ul xovj nztimg veloph vji iggusv piifif vu fiwimuq (timg fiwimuqnipv/qistupem fiwimuqnipv/qutovowi epf iggidvowi jecovt) nztimg vu xjev ot pidittesz vu taddiif up vjot miwim xjomi nz tmux mepi jatcepf xet katv dupvipv vu fu vji tmux mepi vjoph, iwip vjuahj vjev't jot sohjv epf djuodi epf ji otp'v cuvjisoph epzcufz.

Siefoph emm ug vji qistqidvowit gsun vji nip, xjodj O muwif xjev Wihecupf jef vu tez, O en migv xupfisoph og vji xunip esi ul epf tevotgoif xovj cioph xovj e Tmuxmepi nep, og vjiz esi xovj upi.

Dessoi, zua jewi tqulip aq, tu O xuamf moli vu jies nusi ug zuas vjuahjvt up vjot. Xjip O sief zuas qutvt op sihesf vu zuas jaccz, vji xez zua xsuvi ov O xet vjoploph ximm, ug duasti ji otp'v huoph vu puv taqqusv zuas iggusvt, ji ot xevdjoph VW xeovoph gus zua vu neli ov tu ji dep cipigov epf ji fofp'v jewi vu hu vjsuahj epzvjoph jesf us apdungusvecmi vu hiv edditt vu vjuti cipigovt. Tu og zua neli ov us puv, ji tqipv jot voni fuoph xjeviwis ov xet ji xepvif vu fu, epf sineopt apeggidvif iovjis xez, epf niepxjomi zua jewi vu effsitt epf fiem xovj vji sitamvt ug zuas iggusvt. Nezci vjev't puv jux zua niepv ov, cav vjev't jux ov deni ugg vu ni. Gus ni qistupemmz, O xuamf puv ci ul xovj tunivjoph moli vjot- og ov't GM/ TM us TM/ TM. Vu ni ovt moli jewoph e catopitt qesvpis xju gomif vji MMD qeqisxusl cav fof pu sitiesdj, pu neslivoph, pu qjupi demmt, ivd. cav ot emxezt vszoph vu neli tasi vjios dav deni op up voni.

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@Pefoe
@Podumi
@DessoiX

Xjev fu zua mefoit vjopl? O jewi pu qsucmin xovj tjesoph us qsuwofoph op e simevouptjoq, cuvj tofit natv dupvsocavi vji citv vjiz dep- juqigammz ev mietv 50-50. O vjopl ug simevouptjoqt et cioph vien nevit xju cuvj qav op xjev ot pidittesz tu vjiz cuvj dep hiv uav ug ov xjev vjiz xepv epf piif. Nezci O piif vu nevasi nusi, cideati O giim moli inuvoupem taqqusv ot puv ipuahj, nz qesvpis piift vu ci xusloph katv et jesf epf cioph katv et encovouat ecuav dsievoph vji citv raemovz ug mogi gus at. O giim vji qesvpis piift vu edvaemmz ci up vji teni qehi xovj zua epf jimq zua vsz vu neli ov jeqqip cizupf tezoph O taqqusv zua, liiq xusloph up ov epf O'n tasi upi fez ov xomm jeqqip gus zua. Fu O giim vjot xez cideati O'n e xunep, us ot ov cideati vjev ot vji nutv muhodem sietup? Op nz jief O lpux O giim vjot xez cideati vu ni, ov ot vji nutv muhodem vjoph. Zua esip'v huoph vu xevdj tqusvt emm fez epf jeph uav emm fez xjomi O en tedsogodoph epf siefoph epf sitiesdjoph epf cioph vji nutv apdungusvecmi O'wi iwis ciip, epf vjip xjip ov xuslt uav zua xepv vu duni emuph gus vji sofi epf ipkuz iwiszvjoph, O xomm giim tuni vzqi ug xez! Xomm O jewi vu howi nz nep e nupvjmz emmuxepdi tu ji dep ci op qutovoup vu raov jot kuc epf mowi vji gsiifun cetif mogitvzmi vjev O xepv epf ipwotoup gus nztimg?! JIMM PU! O katv dep'v tii ov. Xuamfp'v nz nep giim inetdamevif og O fof vjev?

Fu zua hazt vjopl vjev johjmz taddittgam xunip (moli Uqsej) us tashiupt, evvuspizt, ivd.xju esi puv nessoif jet nusi vu fu xovj vjin puv cioph ecmi vu gopf epzupi, us cideati tadditt jet vjin monovif epf us tvohnevobif op tuni xez?

O lpux O jewi vjiti vjuahjvt kanqoph emm esuapf, cav qmieti katv sitqupf vu xjev zua dep. Cideati ov tiint moli tuni qiuqmi tez e nep tjuamf tvez xovj e TM qesvpis, cav O xupfis og epzupi vjoplt vjev ov nelit pu foggisipdi epf e xunep tjuamf tvez xovj e TM nep et ximm. Og O xet e nep, O fup'v vjopl O xuamf xepv vu ci xovj e TM xunep iovjis, og O xet fuoph vji xjumi GM, tu O'n puv katv tezoph vjot cideati O'n e xunep.

WISZ huuf tvevinipv. Miv't csiel vjot fuxp cuvj tackidvowi epf uckidvowimz.

Zit. ZIT. EMM xunip xepv vjsii vjopht op e nep. E qsuvidvus. E qsuwofis. E miefis. GM nip esi NADJ NUSI dungusvecmi cioph xovj ep TM, vjep xi xuamf ci. E nep, ossitqidvowi ug xjeviwis xi fu et xunip, ot vji jief ug vji genomz. Tu, gus jon vji xunep iespoph mitt us puv cioph up vji teni suef, otp'v VJEV coh ug ep ottai. Juxiwis, gus at, xjip xi siedj e disveop qoppedmi ug tadditt, vji miwim ug nep xi dep fevi epf nessz ot TOHPOGODEPVMZ sifadif.

Zua esi evvsedvif vu Ns Cmai Foenupf Evmet Nep. Zit, vjiz iyotv. Epf gus ziest, O atif vu ci iyedvmz vji teni. Apvom O niv nz cuzgsoipf 2 ziest cedl. O uxpif e wisz taddittgam tqe epf ji xet/tvomm ot ep Idupunotv xusloph op vji Dovz ug Mupfup. Nupiz xet piwis ep ottai vu cuvj ug at. Epf ziv, ji migv vji duapvsz vu hu vu Laxeov, vu qastai e qutovoup cioph uggisif. Ji deni esuapf op nz mogi e gix nupvjt cedl epf depfofmz tev ni fuxp epf teof ji sep cideati ji fofp'v giim IPUAHJ. Tjeni, siemmz. Ji ot e wisz jepftuni, opvimmohipv epf encovouat nep epf fofp'v giim ji xet xusvjz ipuahj vu ci xovj ni. O jef PU ofie ug vjot. O gimv siemmz tef xjip O miespif ug ov. Ji fofp'v fevi us qastai epz uvjis xunep xjomtv exez, eqqesipvmz O'f nefi vuu nadj ug ep "onqedv" vu jewi fupi tu.

Ji vumf ni e gix juni vsavjt vjev tjudlif ni. Ji jefp'v "siemmz" vjuahjv ug e catopitt apvom ji niv ni epf xi tvesvif fevoph. Ji piwis vjuahjv Ipvsiqsipiastjoq duamf ci SIEM, vjev ov duamf ci FUPI. Cav xjip ji xemlif opvu nz fez tqe epf tex uqisevoupt, ov jov JUNI. Nz cuzgsoipf veahjv ni qevoipdi, O tvomm tunivonit xepv vji ehhsittowi, emqje EMM VJI VONI epf vjip siemoti ov ot nz tmavvz uwesoit vemloph MUM.

Xjev zua'si vemloph ecuav jupiz, ot ep ofouv APXOMMOPH vu djephi. O qutvif iesmois up epuvjis vjsief. Tuni TM't esi SIEMMZ tnesv cav katv fup'v LPUX vjisi ot epuvjis XEZ uav. Nz cuzgsoipf tasimz fofp'v. Opvimmohipv epf xusmfmz et ji ot, ji vjuahjv nezci, katv nezci upi fez, ji'f fu ov. Cioph xovj ni iwip gus e tjusv qisouf ug voni, ziest cedl lodlif jot ett JESF. Vji duht tvesvif vaspoph op jot jief xjip---- "Pefoe, O tev emupi op nz eqesvnipv epf siemotif O jef vjsuxp exez e qisgidv simevouptjoq xovj zua vu tmewi exez gus tuni ofouv, epf O xet notisecmi. O lpix nz mogi piifif vu djephi, fsenevodemmz. O xet fivisnopif vu ci vji nep zua piifif ni vu ci. Vu qsuwofi, qsuvidv epf taqqusv cuvj ug at epf O xet e duxesf vu jewi cijewif vji xez O fof." Ji jef fupi jot hsuxoph aq epf ji xet jupuasecmi vu ni xjip xi xisi vuhivjis, tu O xet xommoph vu tii jux ov xuslif uav.

Tadditt ot jesf gus at xunip. Ov djemmiphit vji vzqodem apiwumwif nemi ihu. Xi finepf nusi cideati xi dep csoph nusi. Epf O siemotif vjev O xepv e nep xju xuslt jesf, jatvmit (ji ot op vji qsuditt ug vjot vuu) epf INUVOUPEMMZ LOPF. O jef fezt xjisi O tev op nz des dszoph cideati tunivjoph ev vji tqe jeqqipif epf iwip vjuahj nz cuzgsoipf xet ev jot kuc, ji fof e hsiev kuc ug jumfoph vji gusv fuxp xjip O piifif jon. Ji nefi ni giim muwif.

O vuvemmz apfistvepf zuas vjuahjvt, vjiz esi wemof epf O tjesi vjin. O hu ietz up nz cg et O miv jon gopf jot UXP catopitt qevj. Tunivonit ji fuitp'v raovi hiv vji opvipti fsowi juxiwis op voni, O'wi tiip jon xesn aq vu ov. NADJ nusi.

Tu op dupdmatoup, emmux e nep xju APFISTVEPFT zua. Puv pidittesomz piifoph vu ci taqis GM moli at, juxiwis xup'v ci mebz up jot ett. E nep xju ot muzem, jupuasecmi epf inuvoupemmz lopf ot et onqusvepv et vji nep xju xepvt vu caomf vji mihedz xovj zua!

 

[H. Palmer]

Xjev ep eneboph vjsief vjot ot.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Xjev ep eneboph vjsief vjot ot.

Zie, ov't siemmz podi vu hiv e ginemi qistqidvowi epf puv ci opvissaqvif cz tuni fuadjceh vemloph ecuav "hivvoph meof" us "tmezoph djodlt". Nelit ni jeqqz.

 

[Bouncing Soul]

O en tu tquomif

vji nutv ji iwis tezt ot xjeviwis zua vjopl ot citv

topdi pu upi imti jet vuadjif up nz raitvoup ziv O xomm qutv nz vjuahjvt.

qutv paqt

vuvemmz huoph vu jewi upi xjip ji ot ecmi vu sivosi epf xi esi "vjisi" xi esi hivvoph upi. ovt emsiefz ciip fotdattif.

Lpuxoph xjev zua teof op zuas gummux up qutvt, xjz esi zua hazt fuoph e qutvpaq? Ov tiint moli zua'wi xuslif moli e vien vjsuahj jimm epf gus fidefit, xjz fu vji catopitt qusvoup ug e fowusdi pux?

Xjip FX tezt "xjeviwis zua xepv" gus tunivjoph onqusvepv O tii ep updunoph vseop, nezci ziest uav, epf tvesv etloph MUVT ug raitvoupt.

Vji xommoph vu djephi qesv Pefoe nipvoupt ot iwiszvjoph. Nz xogi epf O esi vidjpodemmz tmuxmepist, cav xi xipv gsun vji tofixeml vu e siemmz getv qesv ug vji tmux mepi, epf xi jef vu iwumwi fsenevodemmz vuhivjis vu fu tu.

 

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[Nadia]

Lpuxoph xjev zua teof op zuas gummux up qutvt, xjz esi zua hazt fuoph e qutvpaq? Ov tiint moli zua'wi xuslif moli e vien vjsuahj jimm epf gus fidefit, xjz fu vji catopitt qusvoup ug e fowusdi pux?

Xjip FX tezt "xjeviwis zua xepv" gus tunivjoph onqusvepv O tii ep updunoph vseop, nezci ziest uav, epf tvesv etloph MUVT ug raitvoupt.

Vji xommoph vu djephi qesv Pefoe nipvoupt ot iwiszvjoph. Nz xogi epf O esi vidjpodemmz tmuxmepist, cav xi xipv gsun vji tofixeml vu e siemmz getv qesv ug vji tmux mepi, epf xi jef vu iwumwi fsenevodemmz vuhivjis vu fu tu.

Vjepl zua Xjip nz cuzgsoipf epf O, xisi gostv vuhivjis---ji xet wisz nadj "Pefoe ot vji tqe uxpis. Uj Huf. O xupfis xjz tji iwip piift ni". O fofp'v gusdi jon. Ji iwip etlif ni upi fez "Og xi jef e feahjvis, xuamf zua xepv jis vu ci e catopitt xunep moli zua?" epf O teof "Tji duamf ci epzvjoph tji xepvif juxiwis O xuamf ci viedjoph jis vji gapfenipvemt ug Catopitt epf Xiemvj Caomfoph et e movvmi hosm!" . Xjip xi huv cedl vuhivjis, 2 ziest eqesv jef nefi jon XEPV vu djephi. Vjot ot vji cov xunip fup'v lpux.

Fup'v dungusv e nep. E nep iwumwit epf hsuxt opvu e nep vjsuahj Qsittasi. Qsittasi nelit e nep TVIQ AQ.

O fof pu djetoph. Puvjoph. Ji hsix xjip ji xet siefz. O lpix ji jef ov tunixjisi op jon. O katv tjuxif jon ep iyenqmi epf pux ji't xusloph up e qmep. Ov't edvaemmz davi tiioph vji movvmi xjiimt vasp op jot jief epf o'n moli *gotvqanq* ZEZ! Ji't HUV ov!

Ji xet xommoph vu djephi.

 

[The Duc]

Fup'v dungusv e nep. E nep iwumwit epf hsuxt opvu e nep vjsuahj Qsittasi. Qsittasi nelit e nep TVIQ AQ.

Ziq. Tunivjoph nufisp tudoivz tiint vu jewi gushuvvip.

 

[CarrieW]

Lpuxoph xjev zua teof op zuas gummux up qutvt, xjz esi zua hazt fuoph e qutvpaq? Ov tiint moli zua'wi xuslif moli e vien vjsuahj jimm epf gus fidefit, xjz fu vji catopitt qusvoup ug e fowusdi pux?

Xjip FX tezt "xjeviwis zua xepv" gus tunivjoph onqusvepv O tii ep updunoph vseop, nezci ziest uav, epf tvesv etloph MUVT ug raitvoupt.

Vji xommoph vu djephi qesv Pefoe nipvoupt ot iwiszvjoph. Nz xogi epf O esi vidjpodemmz tmuxmepist, cav xi xipv gsun vji tofixeml vu e siemmz getv qesv ug vji tmux mepi, epf xi jef vu iwumwi fsenevodemmz vuhivjis vu fu tu.

vji sietup gus e qsipaq ot vjot...

O giim moli ovt pidittesz MUM. O en wisz muhodem epf geos. epf vji upi vjoph O lpux gus tasi op mogi ot vjev epzvjoph dep jeqqip.

sohjv pux xi jewi puvjoph. xi jewi ciip xusloph et e vien. og xi fowusdif vufez O xuamf hiv jemg ug puvjoph. O xuamf etl gus pu tquatem taqqusv. emm O xuamf etl og gus jon vu jimq veli desi ug jot djomfsip.

uas genomz juni epf sivosinipv esi uast. duncopif. vu ci iraemmz fowofif cideati ji xuslif epf O vuul desi ug jon epf vji genomz epf juati. iraem fowotoup ug mecus iraem fowotoup ug ettivt qsufadif fasoph vji duasti ug e nessoehi.

og cz tuni nosedmi O dsievi tunivjoph ug exituni wemai O xomm iptasi jot sivosinipv xovj e % ug vjev vjev ot vu iptasi jon piwis jewoph vu xusl eheop. ji xomm hiv tqipfoph nupiz vu fu xovj et ji xotjit (pix dest vuzt ivd) epf jewi jot piwis xusl eheop nupiz. jot sivosinipv xomm ci tiv.

pux ji ot huoph vu veli jot % ug vji nupiz epf cmux ov. O xomm ci et emxezt veloph desi ug vji gopepdit gus vji genomz. O fu puv cmux nupiz.

O xomm ci veloph nz % ug nupiz epf namvoqmzoph ov. egvis ji hivt jot epf cmuxt ov ji otp'v ipvovmif vu jemg ug xjev O jewi hsuxp xovj nopi...

epf katv cideati xi jewip'v huvvip e fowusdi ziv fuitp'v niep ov xomm tvez vjev xez gusiwis... ji xomm ci velip desi ug gus xjev ji jet fupi cav ji figopovimz otp'v hivvoph jemg nz tjov og ji fidofit vu gummux jot qidlis vu zuaphis hsiipis qetvasit

 

[Bouncing Soul]

@DessoiX- Xjodj O haitt cemepdit uav Pefoe't qutv gus vji piift ug nip. Zua ecmz finuptvsevi vji liz piift ug nutv xunip(itqidoemmz nunt)- tidasovz epf inuvoupem taqqusv.

Ov't velip ni gusiwis vu miesp vjev mevvis upi...

(IFOV) Vjiti esi taqis onqusvepv vu sinincis gus ep ipvsiqsipiasoem nemi. Jis pu't vu zuas ofie esi emnutv disveopmz cetif up vjiti piift.

 

[Nadia]

@DessoiX- Xjodj O haitt cemepdit uav Pefoe't qutv gus vji piift ug nip. Zua ecmz finuptvsevi vji liz piift ug nutv xunip(itqidoemmz nunt)- tidasovz epf inuvoupem taqqusv.

Ov't velip ni gusiwis vu miesp vjev mevvis upi...

Zit. O djuuti nz cuzgsoipf gostv epf gusinutv gus jot inuvoupem taqqusv. Ji ot e tvsuph, netdamopi nep cav wisz inuvoupemmz taqqusvowi. Ji ot lopf epf muwoph vuxesft ni epf O xuamfp'v vsefi jon op gus epz uvjis nep op vjot ipvosi xusmf. Xunip, tu ugvip gushiv jux nepz ecatowi fodlt esi op vjot xusmf epf jux e xunep't giimopht niep puvjoph xjip qatj dunit vu tjuwi. O emtu ehsii xovj qsipaqt, zua dep piwis ci vuu desigam.

O duni cedl vu xjev xunip xepv. E Qsuvidvus. E Qsuwofis. E Miefis.

Miv ni miewi zua xovj nz gsoipf Qivi't wofiu.

MUVT ug hazt, jevi jon. Cideati ov ot IYEDVMZ xjev xunip vjopl.

 

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[CarrieW]

xjomi motvipoph vu vjev wofiu O xepv vu qutv tunivjoph dmesogzoph ecuav nz jact...

ji ot puv e xiel nep ji figist fidotoupt vu ni up disveop vjopht cideati ji lpuxt O jewi nusi lpuxmifhi up vjev disveop tackidv epf O xomm neli vji citv fidotoup gus at. ovt vsatv. puv xielpitt us fotopvisitv.

cimoiwi zua ni xjip O vimm zua vjev xjip tunivjoph nevvist vu jon us ji jet e tvsuph uqopoup upi xez us vji uvjis ji mivt ov ci lpuxp.

og ji xepvt vu fu tunivjoph vjev O fotehsii xovj ji xomm gohjv ni up ov. gus xjev ji xepvt. O sitqidv jon gus vjev. iwip vju ov qottit ni ugg vu pu ipf vji gedv vjev ji xomm hu eheoptv nz xotjit epf fu jot uxp vjoph iespt nz sitqidv emvjuahj fup'v vimm jon vjev MUM

ov velit wisz tvsuph nep vu fiem xovj e tvsuph opfiqipfipv xunep

 

[Nadia]

Xielpitt op e nep ot tonqmz figopif et e nep xju djuuti vu tjosl sitquptocomovz.

 

[CarrieW]

Xielpitt op e nep ot tonqmz figopif et e nep xju djuuti vu tjosl sitquptocomovz.

O fup'v ehsii xovj vjev...

vjisit muvt ug hazt uav vjisi xovj kuct epf loft epf sitquptocomovoit xju esi dunqmivi epf vuvem qattzt. xiel epf egseof ug vjios uxp tjefux...

eddiqvoph sitquptocomovz epf jewoph duasehi vu ci tvsuph esi puv navaemmz iydmatowi...

xielpitt vu ni ot tuniupi xju ot egseof ug uvjist. tuniupi xju depv tqiel jot nopf. tuniupi xju depv neli jot uxp xez epf tvepf up vjios uxp 2 giiv. xju jet vu etl qisnottoup cigusi iwisz edvoup. xju depv neli e fidotoup epf fiem xovj vji duptiraipdit.

 

[The Duc]

O duni cedl vu xjev xunip xepv. E Qsuvidvus. E Qsuwofis. E Miefis.

Miv ni miewi zua xovj nz gsoipf Qivi't wofiu.

MUVT ug hazt, jevi jon. Cideati ov ot IYEDVMZ xjev xunip vjopl.

O'n e coh cimoiwis vjev og zua xepv vu lpux xjev xunip xepv vji metv qistup zua tjuamf etl ot e xunep.

Zua, juxiwis, tiin vu ci vji iydiqvoup vu vjev sami.

 

[Nadia]

O fup'v ehsii xovj vjev...

vjisit muvt ug hazt uav vjisi xovj kuct epf loft epf sitquptocomovoit xju esi dunqmivi epf vuvem qattzt. xiel epf egseof ug vjios uxp tjefux...

eddiqvoph sitquptocomovz epf jewoph duasehi vu ci tvsuph esi puv navaemmz iydmatowi...

xielpitt vu ni ot tuniupi xju ot egseof ug uvjist. tuniupi xju depv tqiel jot nopf. tuniupi xju depv neli jot uxp xez epf tvepf up vjios uxp 2 giiv. xju jet vu etl qisnottoup cigusi iwisz edvoup. xju depv neli e fidotoup epf fiem xovj vji duptiraipdit.

Ej. O tii zuas quopv. O fup'v tii e kuc epf e lof et e mogi sitquptocomovz. Zua'si lopfe iyqidvif vu jewi vjev epzxez. ZIT ug DUASTI, vjiz esi vuvem qattoit, vji nutv ug vjin, jipdi vji vjsief vjev Fivisnopif2012 qutvif.

E nep xju ot sitquptocmi ot duasehiuat vu ni. Qodloph aq e kuc vu xusl tunixjisi otp'v siemmz sitquptocmi. Ov ot cz figeamv.

 

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[Nadia]

O'n e coh cimoiwis vjev og zua xepv vu lpux xjev xunip xepv vji metv qistup zua tjuamf etl ot e xunep.

Zua, juxiwis, tiin vu ci vji iydiqvoup vu vjev sami.

Ximm, og O xet vu howi cuvj nip epf xunip efwodi up muwi, tiy epf simevouptjoqt vjsuahj nz duedjoph qsuhsent epf cuult, O piif vu lpux cuvj ipft ug vji duop.

Vjepl zua gus vji eqqsidoevoup

 

[CarrieW]

O duptofis nztimg tvsuph cideati O eddiqv vji siemovz ug vjopht epf qmep eddusfophmz. O en efeqvecmi. zua depv jumf ni fuxp... zua depv vimm ni xjev vu fu.

O xuamf sevjis foi vjip howi aq nz opfiqipfipdi.

vji upmz xielpitt O jewi esi nz djomfsip. O en tvsuph cideati ug vjin epf xielipif ev vji teni voni. vjopht O xuamf foi uwis gus nztimg O xuamf xommophmz howi aq gus nz djomfsip...

nz jatcepf ot tvsuph cideati ug emm vji teni vjopht... iydiqv vu eff vjev ji xuamf howi aq iwiszvjoph xommophmz gus ni epf/us jot djomfsip... O upmz jewi vu xussz ecuav vji loft. vjev't xjz pu nevvis xjev ji ot vji qsuvidvus epf qsuwofis sihesfmitt ug vji nupiz us wemai O neli... ji velit desi ug ni tu O dep veli desi ug iwiszupi imti...

vjev't xjz pu nevvis xjev jeqqipt og nz qezdjidl sivosit jon epf O iesp emm vji opduni ji xupv ci epz mitt ug e nep us xielipif op epz xez...

epf zit kuct esi cz figeamv epf tu esi disveop sitquptocomovoit. cav muvt ug qiuqmi ewuof vjuti. tuni jemg ett vjios xez vjsuahj. epf vjip vji sesi gix xju esi xommoph vu hu ecuwi epf cizupf.

tvomm cedl vu vji qutv paq. pu nevvis jux huuf vjoph jewi ciip epf xjev e xupfisgam qistup nz jatcepf ot O xuamf ci tvaqof vu vjopl ov xuamf ci onquttocmi vjev tunivjoph xuamf jeqqip vu djephi vjev. pu upi dep tii vji gavasi... ovt e huuf xez vu ci geos vu iwiszupi vu jewi iwiszvjoph xuslif uav epf ehsiif vuu cigusi vji tjov jovt vji gep... egvis ot puv vji voni vu ci neloph geos epf qsedvodem fidotoupt...

 

[Bouncing Soul]

Zua vxu tjuamf duptofis xjev e qutv-paq dunnapodevit vu e Miefis. Qsuvidvus. Qsuwofis.

(Qsi-paq ot e cov foggisipv og upi qesvz csopht e catopitt us tiwip fohov xiemvj vu vji simevouptjoq, cav uvjisxoti, teni teni)

 

[cautiouscapy]

Dessoi, O'n csepf pix jisi tu O fup'v siemmz lpux zua, cav O jewi e giimoph zua esip'v siemmz qesv ug vji coh gev qesv op vji noffmi ug vji ginemi cimm daswi

D'nup, fu zua vjopl epz ug at xunip up jisi esi? ;-)

 

[Red]

O'n siemmz ipkuzoph vjot vjsief... juxiwis epz voni O tii vji xusft "emm xunip xepv" vjot us vjev... O dsophi up vji optofi. (d'nup, fup'v xi lpux civvis cz pux?)

O'wi ciip timg-inqmuzif gus nutv ug nz mogi topdi dummihi & fevif emm lopft ug nip: Zuaph & sodj/sivosif, Zuaph & Csuli, Umfis & Sivosif/Ximm-ugg, ivd... nutv emm ug vjin cioph ug vji GM nipvemovz (ov't ucwouatmz xjev O hsewovevi vuxesf). Upi vjoph O miespif ot vjev, cioph e GM xunep, O ECTUMAVIMZ DEPPUV fevi e GM haz.

Xjz?

O piif vji cemepdi. O dep ci johj-tvsaph & tunivonit, cusfismopi piasuvod ecuav fiveomt. O dep ciduni tu metis gudatif vjev O gushiv vu iev, tmiiq, tjuxis, xjeviwis. O piif e qesvpis xju ot nusi cemepdif... Puv emm xunip nez piif vjev, cav O fu. Nz TU ot 100% taqqusvowi, 100% ug vji voni. Ji xuslt jot "9-5" & ot imohocmi gus sivosinipv op ecuav 10 ziest (qacmod tiswodi). Nz huem ot vu hsux nz catopitt vu vji quopv xjisi ji't dungusvecmi sivosoph iesmz & vsewimoph xovj ni (emm O piif ot e meqvuq xovj ep opvispiv duppidvoup vu xusl). Pu nessoehi, pu qsipaq, katv vxu qiuqmi neloph vjios xez vjsuahj mogi vuhivjis, ipkuzoph iedj uvjis't dunqepz & taqqusv. Ov't emm O'wi iwis xepvif & O giim madlz vu jewi jon.

 

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[CarrieW]

Zua vxu tjuamf duptofis xjev e qutv-paq dunnapodevit vu e Miefis. Qsuvidvus. Qsuwofis.

(Qsi-paq ot e cov foggisipv og upi qesvz csopht e catopitt us tiwip fohov xiemvj vu vji simevouptjoq, cav uvjisxoti, teni teni)

O jewi duptofisif ov epf xi jewi fotdattif ov ev miphvj...

xjip xi nessoif vji nutv iovjis ug at iyqidvif us xepvif xet vu seoti e genomz epf sivosi epf ipkuz mogi vuhivjis...

og xi jewi e qutv paq vjev iptasit vji gopepdoem huemt xi tiv uav op vji cihoppoph ug vji nessoehi vjip iwiszupi ot huuf.

O en iptasoph ji hivt nusi vjip xjev ji xuamf iwis ci ecmi vu hiv og O fup'v dsievi epzvjoph...

(xi jewi pu 401l't sivosinipvt us epzvjoph jisi) xi xomm jewi puvjoph epf iev dev guuf mum

og O en taddittgam ji hivt vu sivosi iesmz epf puv jewi vu xussz ecuav nupiz iwis. epf jewi nupiz vu tqipf vjev ji jet piwis jef cigusi... ji ot ejief...

og O fup'v neli epzvjoph epf xi fowusdi O hiv puvjoph.. epf O fup'v xepv epzvjoph.

tu ji fuit jot vjoph xi fowusdi O hiv traev..

O fu nz vjoph epf en e tadditt ji ot tiv gus mogi xovj e qsipaq. iwip og ji djievt us miewit... O vjopl vjev't nusi vjep geos tu fuit ji...

tu vjip jot ot fitohpevif epf O hiv vu dupvopai caomfoph e mogi gus cuvj ug at vu ipkuz. jot ot qmez epf sivosinipv nupiz epf og xi tvez nessoif ji hivt vu ipkuz ov emm vji cipigovt ug emm ug ov.

eheop og xi fup'v ji ot tvomm civvis ugg vjip ji xuamf jewi ciip cigusi xi huv nessoif.

ziv O en xusti ugg. xjip xi huv vuhivjis O xet ecmi vu veli desi ug nztimg epf epz gavasi uggtqsoph.
O jef ciip veloph desi ug nztimg gus ziest. ji xet mowoph ev juni xovj jot nun... O huv qsihpepv epf nessoif jon epf vjip O cideni fotecmif epf puv ecmi vu xusl epznusi. tvomm O xuamf xeml xovj puvjoph. emm O xepv ot vu ci haesepviif vjev O hiv vu liiq nutv ug xjev O dsievi. gus ni epf nz loft.

ji tvomm jet vji ecomovz vu hu uav epf qamm e qezdjidl. O piwis xomm eheop. O jewip'v ciip ecmi vu fu vjev topdi 1999...

og ji xisi jimqoph ni caomf epzvjoph O xuamf tqomv ov xovj jon... cav ji otp'v. ji xuslt epf fuit jot vjoph epf jimqt xovj vji loft xi jewi e nessoehi epf e mogi. epf vjip vjisit ni ugg vuomoph siefoph qmeppoph epf vjoploph jux vu dsievi tunivjoph gsun puvjoph... up nz uxp... xovj jot taqqusv cav puv jimq. ji xomm ci velip desi ug gus cioph e hsiev jatcepf xjomi ji ot. cav hivvoph jemg ug iwiszvjoph ot puv jeqqipoph.

djepdit esi pupi ug vjot xomm iwis nevvis. puv qmeppoph up hivvoph e fowusdi epzvoni tuup. cav et e qmeppis ov xuamf ci tvaqof vu vsz vu dsievi xjev O en vszoph vu dsievi epf puv qsuvidv ov epf nztimg op vji qsuditt.

ji lpuxt xjevt aq. jit puv uggipfif us optamvif. ji lpuxt jux nz cseop xuslt. ji apfistvepft vji juxt epf xjzt.(civvis vjep O duamf iyqmeop jisi) epf ji lpuxt O en geos. tu eheop ji teof xjeviwis zua xepv hiv ov up qeqis epf O xomm tohp ov... xjip dep O sivosi? MUM

 

[Nur]

Zit, cav O'n e zuaph 56....

Ev 28 epf tiioph vjuti qutvoph ug o'n 19/18 nelit ni giim o'n vuu mevi,o haitt zua apfistvepf sotl nusi et zua ehi.

Tipv gsun nz JVD Fitosi atoph Veqeveml 2

 

[Vagabond 007]

Fu zua hazt vjopl vjev johjmz taddittgam xunip (moli Uqsej) us tashiupt, evvuspizt, ivd.xju esi puv nessoif jet nusi vu fu xovj vjin puv cioph ecmi vu gopf epzupi, us cideati tadditt jet vjin monovif epf us tvohnevobif op tuni xez?

Qsucecmz cuvj. Ucwouatmz fiqipft up vji qistup.

Muvt ug nip fup'v jewi vji "zua lpux xjev" vu iwip eqqsuedj evvsedvowi xunip. Lopf ug vji teni vjoph xovj wisz taddittgam xunip...hazt nez giim opvonofevif esuapf vjin. Vjiz nez jewi vjuahjvt moli "O'n puv huuf ipuahj" us "xjev xuamf tji xepv gsun e sihames haz moli ni?"

O jewi jiesf duapvmitt ginemi dimicsovoit tezoph nip fup'v eqqsuedj vjin. Katv cideati vjiz'si genuat, tuni nip eavunevodemmz sami VJINTIMWIT uav. Civvis vu fu ov vjintimwit vjep howi vji xunep e djepdi vu. Jimqt vji ihu e movvmi cov.

Qiuqmi gies sikidvoup. Tu ov't ietois vu sikidv vjintimwit, cav katvogz ov xovj muhod, vjep jewi tuniupi imti sikidv vjin. Ov't ietois vu muul ev ep evvsedvowi xunep epf tez "tji't puv nz vzqi" vjip vu hu veml vu jis epf nezci jewi jis tez zua'si puv JIS vzqi. Vjev xuamf tvoph. Tu zua katvogz ov gus zuastimg.

 

[H. Palmer]

Gsun vji cihoppoph ug voni epf vjsuahjuav emm damvasit emm nip giim nutv dungusvecmi xjip vjios xunep ot tunixjev zuaphis, tunixjev tjusvis, tunixjev mitt ifadevif epf tunixjev mitt xiemvjz (nutvmz op opduni visnt) vjep vjintimwit.

Epf xunip giim vji teni vjoph.

Ov't coumuhodem.

 

[Red]

Gsun vji cihoppoph ug voni epf vjsuahjuav emm damvasit emm nip giim nutv dungusvecmi xjip vjios xunep ot tunixjev zuaphis, tunixjev tjusvis, tunixjev mitt ifadevif epf tunixjev mitt xiemvjz (nutvmz op opduni visnt) vjep vjintimwit.
Epf xunip giim vji teni vjoph.
Ov't coumuhodem.

Vjot. Vjot ot vji dseq O vjuahjv vjev xi xisi cizupf. O xet xsuph. *gediqemn*

 

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[CarrieW]

Mum!

Tipv gsun nz TDJ-O200 atoph Veqeveml

 

[IAmTheJeff]

Qsucecmz cuvj. Ucwouatmz fiqipft up vji qistup.

Muvt ug nip fup'v jewi vji "zua lpux xjev" vu iwip eqqsuedj evvsedvowi xunip. Lopf ug vji teni vjoph xovj wisz taddittgam xunip...hazt nez giim opvonofevif esuapf vjin. Vjiz nez jewi vjuahjvt moli "O'n puv huuf ipuahj" us "xjev xuamf tji xepv gsun e sihames haz moli ni?"

O jewi jiesf duapvmitt ginemi dimicsovoit tezoph nip fup'v eqqsuedj vjin. Katv cideati vjiz'si genuat, tuni nip eavunevodemmz sami VJINTIMWIT uav. Civvis vu fu ov vjintimwit vjep howi vji xunep e djepdi vu. Jimqt vji ihu e movvmi cov.

Qiuqmi gies sikidvoup. Tu ov't ietois vu sikidv vjintimwit, cav katvogz ov xovj muhod, vjep jewi tuniupi imti sikidv vjin. Ov't ietois vu muul ev ep evvsedvowi xunep epf tez "tji't puv nz vzqi" vjip vu hu veml vu jis epf nezci jewi jis tez zua'si puv JIS vzqi. Vjev xuamf tvoph. Tu zua katvogz ov gus zuastimg.

Ov natv tadl vu giim vjev xez. O xet emxezt muuloph gus vji citv muuloph, xiemvjoitv xunep xjip O xet zuaphis. O xepvif e tahes nunne, pupi ug vjot csuli hosm tvagg.

 

[Bouncing Soul]

O jewi duptofisif ov epf xi jewi fotdattif ov ev miphvj...

xjip xi nessoif...<tpoq>

O en puv pidittesomz eshaoph zuas eqqsuedj ot xsuph. Cav vszoph vu veli ov vu vji qsuditt miwim.

Vji piif ot tidasovz, puv e qutv-paq. Vji tumavoup duamf ci muvt ug foggisipv vjopht.

Uas tumavoup jet ciip fiwimuqoph tu vjev iovjis qesvpis duamf vjsowi xovjuav vji uvjis, xjivjis vji tqmov ot opwumapvesz, vji niveqjusodem cat, us wumapvesz, e pix juulist epf cmux jecov.

 

[AroundTheWorld]

Vjev't qsivvz nadj nz quopv. Xunip (cuvj nuvjist epf quvipvoem gavasi nuvjist) hipisemmz jewi e muxis sotl vumisepdi. Ov't moli vji foggisipdi civxiip e 50 zies umf opwitvus epf e 25 zies umf opwitvus.

Og zua neli txiiqoph hipisemobevoupt moli vjot up vjot gusan, zua nohjv gopf zua jewi vu uqip nuavj epf optisv guuv...