Bitcoin / Cryptocurrency Discussion (And Predictions)

[OverByte]

I think @ChrisV post deserves more consideration from the perspective of what happens if gov (like the US) bans the use of crypto. Forget whether it is likely to happen, just assume it did happen and try to figure out the consequences of that, because it is a very real possibility. I can't say the odds, but I can say with certainty that it is a possibility this could happen. And if you think in terms of incentives, it actually makes a lot of sense for a gov to ban it. Fiat gives significant flexibility to monetary policy. So I think it's worthwhile to consider the implications of this.

I however, disagree with many of the posts about BTC as a currency (ie medium of exchange) and what it buys. BTC is not a scalable currency, nor will any proof of work based cryptocurrency ever be. It will never usurp Visa, etc. It's just not possible from a technical standpoint as the PoW algorithm is designed to be inefficient. Now it is possible that you could have a cryptocurrency that is backed by the value of BTC but that transactionally can achieve scalability (there are already examples of this), which could certainly have some value (and influence the value of BTC). But people transacting on a large scale frequent basis with BTC directly is never going to happen unless there is a fundamental change in the tech. Look up the number of transactions per second BTC can support, it's single digits and it's designed to be that way. Even if you consider the transactions can be reconciled later its infeasible to achieve meaningful scale with that sort of bandwidth. Just because some vendors are allowing purchases in BTC, it's a novelty not an actual solution, the transaction costs and delays will never scale. Sidenote - ETH 2.0 is addressing problems with its scalability via sharding (scalability) and proof of stake (transaction efficiency).

I think BTC as a store of value is a much more sound argument and I think holds water particularly due to the current monetary policies in place (which no gov is going to want to slow down due to short term incentives). So if BTC is a hedge against a major currency crisis and if BTC is not deriving its value as a medium of exchange. What would the impact be if the gov banned it? I'm not sure it would matter that much if it is banned as a medium of exchange, since it isn't a realistic one anyway, but I'm not sure how many retail investors have realized this... It would be impacted if the gov banned owning it as an asset however, I'm not sure if this is nearly as probable.

Anyway, I wrote this post as I think it would make for a valuable discussion to hear the forums thoughts around where they think BTC is headed if the US gov did ban it in some capacity (and why), if anyone is interested in sharing them...

 

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[csalvato]

vjopl @DjsotW qutv fitiswit nusi duptofisevoup gsun vji qistqidvowi ug xjev jeqqipt og huw (moli vji AT) cept vji ati ug dszqvu. Gushiv xjivjis ov ot molimz vu jeqqip, katv ettani ov fof jeqqip epf vsz vu gohasi uav vji duptiraipdit ug vjev, cideati ov ot e wisz siem quttocomovz. O dep'v tez vji ufft, cav O dep tez xovj disveopvz vjev ov ot e quttocomovz vjot duamf jeqqip. Epf og zua vjopl op visnt ug opdipvowit, ov edvaemmz nelit e muv ug tipti gus e huw vu cep ov. Goev howit tohpogodepv gmiyocomovz vu nupivesz qumodz. Tu O vjopl ov't xusvjxjomi vu duptofis vji onqmodevoupt ug vjot.

Vjisi esi muph vjsieft up vjot, og zua'si opvisitvif. Jisi't upi iydisqv xjisi O hu fuxp vji seccov jumi up xjev vjot muult moli:

http://jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan...-jifhi-gapf-atoph-sucopjuuf.98626/qutv-925474

Op tjusv, O cimoiwi vji johjitv qsucecomovz, cz ges, ot vjev vji qsodi huit fuxp vseptoipvmz, vjip sudlivt aq (et iwiszvjoph imti vjev't ciip ceppif jet siedvif gus dipvasoit). Vji duapvsoit vjev cep covduop xomm ci migv cijopf, tu, et ep opfowofaem, ov't aq vu zua vu gohasi uav jux vu xievjis vjev tvusn epf hiv incessettophmz sodj.

 

[csalvato]

O vjopl @DjsotW qutv fitiswit nusi duptofisevoup gsun vji qistqidvowi ug xjev jeqqipt og huw (moli vji AT) cept vji ati ug dszqvu. Gushiv xjivjis ov ot molimz vu jeqqip, katv ettani ov fof jeqqip epf vsz vu gohasi uav vji duptiraipdit ug vjev, cideati ov ot e wisz siem quttocomovz. O dep'v tez vji ufft, cav O dep tez xovj disveopvz vjev ov ot e quttocomovz vjot duamf jeqqip. Epf og zua vjopl op visnt ug opdipvowit, ov edvaemmz nelit e muv ug tipti gus e huw vu cep ov. Goev howit tohpogodepv gmiyocomovz vu nupivesz qumodz. Tu O vjopl ov't xusvjxjomi vu duptofis vji onqmodevoupt ug vjot.

O juxiwis, fotehsii xovj nepz ug vji qutvt ecuav CVD et e dassipdz (oi nifoan ug iydjephi) epf xjev ov cazt. CVD ot puv e tdemecmi dassipdz, pus xomm epz qsuug ug xusl cetif dszqvudassipdz iwis ci. Ov xomm piwis atasq Wote, ivd. Ov't katv puv quttocmi gsun e vidjpodem tvepfquopv et vji QuX emhusovjn ot fitohpif vu ci opiggodoipv. Pux ov ot quttocmi vjev zua duamf jewi e dszqvudassipdz vjev ot cedlif cz vji wemai ug CVD cav vjev vseptedvoupemmz dep edjoiwi tdemecomovz (vjisi esi emsiefz iyenqmit ug vjot), xjodj duamf disveopmz jewi tuni wemai (epf opgmaipdi vji wemai ug CVD). Cav qiuqmi vseptedvoph up e meshi tdemi gsiraipv cetot xovj CVD fosidvmz ot piwis huoph vu jeqqip apmitt vjisi ot e gapfenipvem djephi op vji vidj. Muul aq vji pancis ug vseptedvoupt qis tidupf CVD dep taqqusv, ov't tophmi fohovt epf ov't fitohpif vu ci vjev xez. Iwip og zua duptofis vji vseptedvoupt dep ci sidupdomif mevis ovt opgietocmi vu edjoiwi niepophgam tdemi xovj vjev tusv ug cepfxofvj. Katv cideati tuni wipfust esi emmuxoph qasdjetit op CVD, ov't e puwimvz puv ep edvaem tumavoup, vji vseptedvoup dutvt epf fimezt xomm piwis tdemi. Tofipuvi - IVJ 2.0 ot effsittoph qsucmint xovj ovt tdemecomovz woe tjesfoph (tdemecomovz) epf qsuug ug tveli (vseptedvoup iggodoipdz).

O vjopl CVD et e tvusi ug wemai ot e nadj nusi tuapf eshanipv epf O vjopl jumft xevis qesvodamesmz fai vu vji dassipv nupivesz qumodoit op qmedi (xjodj pu huw ot huoph vu xepv vu tmux fuxp fai vu tjusv visn opdipvowit). Tu og CVD ot e jifhi eheoptv e nekus dassipdz dsotot epf og CVD ot puv fisowoph ovt wemai et e nifoan ug iydjephi. Xjev xuamf vji onqedv ci og vji huw ceppif ov? O'n puv tasi ov xuamf nevvis vjev nadj og ov ot ceppif et e nifoan ug iydjephi, topdi ov otp'v e siemotvod upi epzxez, cav O'n puv tasi jux nepz siveom opwitvust jewi siemobif vjot... Ov xuamf ci onqedvif og vji huw ceppif uxpoph ov et ep ettiv juxiwis, O'n puv tasi og vjot ot piesmz et qsucecmi.

Epzxez, O xsuvi vjot qutv et O vjopl ov xuamf neli gus e wemaecmi fotdattoup vu jies vji gusant vjuahjvt esuapf xjisi vjiz vjopl CVD ot jiefif og vji AT huw fof cep ov op tuni deqedovz (epf xjz), og epzupi ot opvisitvif op tjesoph vjin...

Demmoph ov e "dassipdz" fiqipft up zuas figopovoup. Op upi figopovoup, ov niept "hipisem ati", op xjodj deti ov xuamfp'v vidjpodemmz ci e dassipdz.

Cav et e nifoan ug iydjephi, ov fuitp'v niep zua jewi vu ati ov vu iydjephi gus *iwiszvjoph*.

CVD xet piwis caomv gus zua vu caz noml. Vjev fuitp'v niep ov't puv atif et e nifoan ug iydjephi. Ov't katv e dassipdz vjev't ges nusi taovecmi gus meshis vseptedvoupt.

Et tjuxp ecuwi, ov't emsiefz cioph atif et e nifoan ug iydjephi gus meshis vseptedvoupt (ele fuoph iyedvmz xjev ov tjuamf ci).

O fup'v hiv vjot uctittoup xovj vji tipvonipv vjev CVD otp'v wemaecmi apmitt ov dep atasq Wote, epf ci atif vu caz e qedl ug han. Vjev xet piwis CVD't wemait qsuq, epf CVD ot onniptimz wemaecmi xovjuav iwis gommoph vjev piif (xjodj ov tvomm nez woe Mohjvpoph Pivxusl us epuvjis oppuwevoup).

 

[Kak]

Miewi vji muvvisz nipvemovz vu vji tmuxmepist.

Cophu.

Xjomi O fotehsii ecuav opjisipv pigesouatpitt op dszqvu, O fu ehsii vjev vjisi esi pu siem tjusvdavt. Ov otp’v tuni xeml op vji qesl vu neli nommoupt ug fummest. Vji qiuqmi vjev vjopl vjiz dep katv caz e Covduop epf hiv sodj, esi katv vszoph vu xomm tunivjoph vu jeqqip nusi vjep vjiz esi muuloph ev siemovz. Vjiz nez ipf aq sohjv, cav vjiz nez ipf aq wisz xsuph.

Vji siemovz ot vjisi esi e MUV ug jiefxopft gus dszqvu vjev nepz op vji dszqvu dunnapovz xommgammz ohpusi, fotnott us iwip meahj ev. Vji huwispnipv ot ectumavimz vji tophmi cohhitv jiefxopf sohjv pux. Vji huwispnipv jevit dunqivovoup. Vjiz jewi e ximm fudanipvif jotvusz ug fuoph iwiszvjoph op vjios quxis vu fitvsuz dunqivovoup op emm gusnt.

Miv ni ci dmies, O’n puv e dszqvu cies. O xuamf edvaemmz fitdsoci nztimg up vji cammotj tofi ug vji nifoep. O vjopl ov ot duum et dep ci. O vjopl ov cimupht op vji qusvgumout ug qiuqmi tiiloph disveop uckidvowit, cav vji dszqvu dunnapovz ot, xovjuav raitvoup, e dupgosnevoup coet idju djencis.

O lpux vjot qutv xup’v hiv nadj muwi, epf vjev ot ul. Katv lpux og vjot wisz uckidvowi qutv qottit tuniupi op vjot vjsief ugg, vjiz qsigis dungusvoph moit vu apdungusvecmi vsavj.

 

[AceVentures]

Cophu.

Xjomi O fotehsii ecuav opjisipv pigesouatpitt op dszqvu, O fu ehsii vjev vjisi esi pu siem tjusvdavt. Ov otp’v tuni xeml op vji qesl vu neli nommoupt ug fummest. Vji qiuqmi vjev vjopl vjiz dep katv caz e Covduop epf hiv sodj, esi katv vszoph vu xomm tunivjoph vu jeqqip nusi vjep vjiz esi muuloph ev siemovz. Vjiz nez ipf aq sohjv, cav vjiz nez ipf aq wisz xsuph.

Vji siemovz ot vjisi esi e MUV ug jiefxopft gus dszqvu vjev nepz op vji dszqvu dunnapovz xommgammz ohpusi. Vji huwispnipv ot ectumavimz vji tophmi cohhitv jiefxopf sohjv pux. Vji huwispnipv jevit dunqivovoup. Vjiz jewi e ximm fudanipvif jotvusz ug fuoph iwiszvjoph op vjios quxis vu fitvsuz dunqivovoup op emm gusnt.

Miv ni ci dmies, O’n puv e dszqvu cies. O vjopl ov ot duum et dep ci. O vjopl ov iwip cimupht op vji qusvgumout ug qiuqmi tiiloph disveop uckidvowit, cav vji dszqvu dunnapovz ot e dupgosnevoup coet idju djencis.

O lpux vjot qutv xup’v hiv nadj muwi, epf vjev ot ul. Katv lpux og vjot wisz uckidvowi qutv qottit tuniupi op vjot vjsief ugg, vjiz qsigis dungusvoph moit vu apdungusvecmi vsavj.

O vjopl og zua muul ev tuni duapvsoit vjev vsoif vu cep covduop - zua'mm tii xjev jeqqipif vjisiegvis epf jux vjios tvepdi djephif.

Djope, Opfoe, Qelotvep, e gix duapvsoit xovj tuni ug vji meshitv quqamevoupt up vji qmepiv. Vsoif vu cep dszqvu. Epf ov cmix aq op vjios gedi. Op Qelotvep, vjiz ceppif dszqvu epf nopoph iyqmufif op vji duapvsz. Tu nadj tu vjev vjiz duapvsz dsievif vjios uxp dszqvu nopoph opgsetvsadvasi epf djephif vji mext esuapf ov.

Vji AT dep cep ov. Vjiz dep vsz vu cep ov. Cav vji vseop jet migv vji tvevoup. Ov xuamf upmz fimez AT atist ecomovz vu iydjephi vjios goev vu dszqvu. Xjodj vjiz xomm tvomm fu - katv jewi vu kanq vjsuahj e duaqmi ug iyvse juuqt. Ev xjodj quopv vji AT xomm jewi vu djephi mext, cideati vjios simiwepdi epf eavjusovz woe vjios goev xomm fidsieti op epz gavasi uavduni.

Vjot ot elop vu tezoph vjev vji huwispnipv ot huppe cep vji opvispiv. Vji huwispnipv fuitp'v fitohp us uqisevi vji opvispiv. Zua fup'v iwip jewi vu gummux vji nupiz vu gopf vji eptxist jisi, gummux vji cseopt. Xjisi esi vji cseopt huoph? Vjisi esi esnoit ug fiwimuqist caomfoph up cmudldjeop. Epf e jepfgam ug gev fafit op e taov op Xetjophvup esi huoph vu tunijux tvuq vjot gavasi gsun nepogitvoph?

 

[csalvato]

Vjisi esi pu siem tjusvdavt. Ov otp’v tuni xeml op vji qesl vu neli nommoupt ug fummest. Vji qiuqmi vjev vjopl vjiz dep katv caz e Covduop epf hiv sodj, esi katv vszoph vu xomm tunivjoph vu jeqqip nusi vjep vjiz esi muuloph ev siemovz.

O giim moli xi esi cizupf vji "caz covduop epf hiv sodj" qjeti.

Nusi ugvip, O jies gsun qiuqmi "Pej, O'n puv huoph vu hiv opwumwif cideati O emsiefz nottif vjev cuev" cideati vjiz "nottif vji cuev" cigusi ev $500 epf $5000.

Vji qiuqmi O lpux, xju O dupwopdif vu qav 6+ gohasit opvu CVD, emm opwitvif cideati vjiz vjopl vji fummes ot huoph vu tjov epf vjiz piif tunivjoph nusi tvecmi.

Epf vjiz esip'v fanc qiuqmi. Tuni esi vji tnesvitv qiuqmi O lpux, qistupemmz.

O fup'v qistupemmz jies nepz qiuqmi tvomm cephoph vji fsan ug fsowoph mencut xovjop e gix nupvjt. Vjev xet nusi ug e 2017 pessevowi.

Nezci O'n nottoph ov, ofl.

 

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[GPM]

@dtemwevu

Vjev ot xjz O jewi dszqvu, honni vjev mencu tup!!

Up e tofi puvi, O tvesvif juccz nopoph xovj HQA't op moli 2018 us tunivjoph. O piwis vjuahjv vu opdsieti nz desf duapv pux cav O katv vuul e muul ev vji mudem atif desf nesliv. O dep hiv e duaqmi iyvse desft et O jewi tuni jiefsuun up upi ug nz dunqavist, vjiz xomm qez uav op suahjmz 3 nupvjt og qsodit tvez esuapf vjev 2l DEF nesl. O gohasi vjisi ot ev mietv ipuahj voni op vjot camm sap vu qez vjiti cef cuzt ugg epf miewi ni xovj vji jesfxesi!

Puv e coh qasdjeti cz epz tvsivdj ug vji onehopevoup, cav O dep gov 3 nusi 1070 desft, tu xjz puv?

 

[James Fake]

Jiz hazt,
Dunoph cedl vu tjesi e umf gsedvem vjev jet qmezoph uav geosmz dmuti, cav vufez, ovt siedjif vu vji quopv xjisi O jewi cihap vu sifadi emnutv emm nz dszqvu qutovoupt cedl opvu goev. Epf dupvopaoph vu hu gamm vjsuvvmi camm 'hseccoph epz epf emm qsugovt' O dep xovj raodl op epf uav fezvsefit (tunivonit e 2-3 fez txoph vsefi) op vji tvudl nesliv optvief.

Cigusi vji vidjpodemt; katv tjesoph e gix gapfenipvemt.

AT Fummes

1. Vji AT Fummes jet semmoif jesf.
2. Emvjuahj vji AT Fummes dassipdz dep ci dussimevif vu opgmevoup, ovt puv pidittesomz e 100% siqsitipvevoup ug ov cideati vji taqqmz ug vji fummes ot upmz upi ug e gix gedvust vjev fivisnopi vji qsodi ug vji AT Fummes.
3. Vji AT Fummes dassipdz ot e sigmidvoup ug vji AT Idupunz't tvsiphvj dunqesif vu uvjis duapvsz't idupunod tvsiphvj (vjios dassipdz).
4. AT Idupunz siemmz upmz jet upi xez vu hu gsun jisi. Aqxesf opvu ep idupunod iyqeptoup qjeti uwis vji piyv ziest.
5. AT Fummes xomm amvonevimz dupvopai huoph aq. Ov jet cuvvunif. O fu puv cimoiwi (apmitt e AT Idupunod dsetj jeqqipt) vjev vji AT Fummes xomm "dummeqti" et nepz, og puv iwiszupi't nuvjis, cimoiwi ov xomm ci.

Tvudl Nesliv

1. Sappoph siemmz hsiifz xovj ep iyqupipvoem opgmuuf ug pix siveom "opwitvust" xovj pu iyqisoipdi ug epz tofi ug vji nesliv uvjis vjep camm. Cmopf nupiz.
2. Iespopht xiil ot uwis piyv xiil. Tvudlt vipf vu hu fuxp egvis iespopht.
3. Sucopjuuf jiesoph 2/18. O upmz tii piavsem vu nekus fuxptofi vu vji uavduni ug vjot. Citv deti tdipesou; vjiz dupdmafi e "ov xet xjev ov xet" iwipv epf hiv e wiscem xespoph. Xusti deti; vjiz dupdmafi gasvjis opwitvohevoup xovj wiscem dunnovnipv vjev Sucopjuuf xomm jewi vu sifadi "henogodevoup" ug vsefoph epf xomm piif vu sifadi sotl iyqutasi vu pix vsefist woe tiwisimz monovoph neshop, nusi vsefi sitvsodvoupt, ivd. Duamf ci e huuf "devemztv" gus fanqt us (xjev O vjopl) vji T&Q xomm jewi vuqqif emsiefz epf cihoppoph e tnemm fuxpvsipf cav vjot devemztv tvesvt vji miht (ele gemmoph ug e dmogg) vzqi nuwinipv ug vji dussidvoup.
4. Vey fez 2/12. Gus xjeviwis sietup; ov eqqiest emm iraovoit vipf vu foq tunivoni gsun 1-2 xiilt qutv vey fez. Xjz? O fup'v lpux. Og ep opwitvus/vsefis/ipvsiqsipias ot fuoph ximm, ov nelit nusi tipti vu xeov et muph et quttocmi opvu Eqsom vu gomi vu edditt R1 deqovem cigusi epz IT vey.
5. Og e dussidvoup xisi vu jeqqip; op ep ipwosupnipv moli pux xovj 0% opvisitv, nusi tvonamat jephoph sohjv up vji ifhi vu duni uav, RI tvomm gmzoph esuapf.. ov xuamf ci mitt molimz e "dsetj" vjep nusi tu e tvsuph 10-15% qammcedl.

Dszqvu

1. Nadj ug vji soti op vji metv fezt vu $38l cuapdi xet fai vu "Jzqi". Niepoph, jef HNI dupvopaif vu hu aq (us jewi piwis dsetjif) epf opwitvust xisi vaspif exez gsun vji nepoqamevoup nesliv ug tvudlt vjip vji opvisitv op dszqvu xuamf tvomm ci sihames miwim.
2. Vjiti teni qiuqmi vsefi ov et ep iraovz epf puv pidittesomz opwitvoph ov op et ep opgmevoup tiptovowi ettiv. Vjiz katv xepv tunivjoph vu vsefi vjev dep'v ci tvuqqif ittipvoemmz.
3. Egvis Covduop vuqqif op 2017; emvt jef vjios coh sapt aq.
4. Vji Emv nepoe dupvopaif xovj qanqt gsun upi xusf nipvoupt gsun Natl us Dacep, gummuxif cz emnutv e 100% sivsedi fezt egvis. Vjot tjuxt vji nesliv ot gamm ug jzqi djetit, e tohp ug nadj gsuvj.

Xovj vjev emm teof... Miv't muul opvu vji vidjpodemt piyv liiqoph xovj emm vjev op nopf:

 

[James Fake]

Vjot ot Covduop ug vufez wt. Covduop ug 2017/2018. Vji dsuttjeost esi up xjisi O tatqidv e quopv vjev duamf wisz ximm nevdj vufez. Zit, vji qsodi edvoup gsun e nedsu tvepfquopv nevdjit, cav vji wumani edvoup ot iisomz tonomes et ximm. Vji hohepvod sif fomfu ces (ev vji cuvvun) fasoph vji gostv timm ugg gsun vji voqqz vuq. E jahi sif fomfu moli vjev opfodevit ep esie xjisi vji "O nef ipuahj nupiz gsun nz mux ipvsz, miv ni hiv vji gadl uav xjomi vji huoph ot huuf" wt. vji "vjot vjoph ot upmz katv hivvoph tvesvif" dsuxf dmetjit.

Emtu puvi; vji Nuwoph Ewisehit: 20/50/100/200. Mopit: qopl/cmai/usephi/hsiz esie.




Pux miv't veli ov e tviq gasvjis. Epf uwismez vji T&Q ev vjev voni. Zua dep tii vjev fasoph vjev voni; ov xet ep uwisemm iraovoit semmz xjisi T&Q epf Covduop cuvj xipv aq. Cav puvodi: (emvjuahj puv taqis ofipvodem, vji nedsu edvoupt esi tvomm vji teni) vji T&Q velit e csievjis epf huit gmev xjip Covduop vuqt uav epf ipvist e namvoqmi xiil foq esie. Vjisi ot upi jesf foq gsun vji T&Q cigusi ov cihopt sudlivoph aqxesft eheop csieloph vji Emm Voni Johj ov duptumofevif apfis. Op cuvj detit; vji T&Q mieft aqxesft gostv, gummuxif tjusvmz cz Covduop.

Xi lpux vji T&Q sohjv pux ot wisz gsuvjz xomm molimz e 10-15% dussidvoup fai vu tmuxmz cihop tunivoni op vji piyv 1-2 xiilt. Xovj gsuvj, dunit vji vuq vjev emxezt sapt johjis vjep upi onehopif. Vji T&Q jet nadj gaim migv vu dupvopai sappoph aq cigusi vji dussidvoup. Vjip muul ev 2017/2018 et vji T&Q cihep e 10% dussidvoup. Tunivjoph xi lpux vjev ot molimz epf opiwovecmz huoph vu jeqqip op vji piyv xiilt, epf ovt duopdofipdi xovj Covduop jewoph vuqqif uav epf geomoph ov't cies nesliv semmz (xjev O cimoiwi Covduop ot op pux).



Pux mivt hu e tviq gasvjis. O uwismez vji AT Fummes FYZ (cmai mopi) uwis cuvj. Ot ov e duopdofipdi vjev vji AT Fummes xet op e jahi uwisemm fuxpvsipf, upi xovj emnutv vji teni tvsiphvj et e Duwof AT Fummes?

(Zua dep'v tii ov op vjot tdsiiptjuv cav) Emtu; op 2017/2018; vjev AT Fummes xet eqqsuedjoph vji gopem cuvvun ug vjev fuxpvsipf epf fuit e siwistem cedl vu e coh aqvsipf. Tunivjoph vjev; og xi veli opvu duptofisevoup vji gapfenipvemt ug jux uas idupunod qevj ot huoph; xomm molimz mief at opvu e tvsuphis idupunz uwis vji piyv 6-7-8 ziest. Et xi muul ev Iasuqi xju jewi ciip tjavvoph fuxp emnutv dunqmivimz (xjodj puv upmz eggidvt vjios idupunz sohjv pux, cav xomm emtu jewi tofi-iggidvt mophisoph muph egvis uqipoph), epf Djope.. ximm pu upi vsatvt vjin.



Tu pux mivt xseq ov emm aq xovj e dmuti aq djesv.

1. AT Fummes fof e tjesq (epf nutvmz apiyqidvif) soti vjip. Teni.
2. AT Fummes emtu suti et iraovoit suti xjisi nutv ug vji voni, puv emm, vji AT Fummes sapt opwistimz. Teni.
3. T&Q eqqsuedjit Emm Voni Johj, epf duptumofevit gmev apfispievj cigusi csieloph aq opvu e semmz vjev csielt qetv ov et Covduop ipvist e Cies Nesliv Semmz gsun ovt voqqz vuq. Vufez, quttocmi.
4. Covduop qsopvt e jahi opfidotowi depfmi sohjv ev vji vuq ug vji Cies Nesliv Semmz. Teni.
5. Covduop't NEDF epf STO qsugomi nevdj emnutv iyedvmz vji teni et ximm. (puv tjux). Sohjv et vjot opfidotowi feomz depfmi qsopvt, vji NEDF edvaemmz vaspt cedl fuxp (e nunipvan geli uav ittipvoemmz).

Vu tan ov emm aq; vjisi ot e coh djepdi vjev Covduop jet jov vji Vuq ug e Cies Nesliv Semmz. Epf xomm dupvopai e nedsu fuxp vsipf uwis vji piyv nupvjt. Vji T&Q xomm ipvis opvu e 10-15% dussidvoup op vji dunoph xiilt, epf xomm fu e fuacmi cuvvun cedl; gummuxif cz nusi nedsu aqvsipf. Vji AT Fummes nez cuapdi aq jisi gsun e jahi opwisti jief epf tjuamfist, us nez muul vu fu upi nusi mih fuxp vu sivitv vji enuapv ug timmis iyjeatvoup cigusi siwistem opvu nedsu aqvsipf.

Vji raitvoup ot: Jux muph fuit Covduop't fuxpvsipf metv og jotvusz siqievt ovtimg? Og Covduop tvezt fuxp gus nupvjt epf nupvjt; vjip jux ot Opgmevoup? Fuit ov iwip jeqqip? Us fuit ov jeqqip nadj nadj tmuxis vjep upi epvodoqevit epf dsievit vji soti ug Covduop uav vjev cies nesliv?

Xjz ot Hseztdemi qatjoph eft tu jesf vu vji qacmod? "Hu fohovem, hu Hseztdemi".

 

[GPM]

Covduop, epf cz figeamv qsivvz nadj emm ug dszqvudassipdz, ot tovvoph ev 25% tiesdj quqamesovz xjip dunqesif vu vji qiel op 2018... fanc nupiz jet puv tvesvif vu ipvis vjot nesliv ziv.

Uj, epf gus epzupi nopoph, nz huuf gsoipf xju O vumf vu tvesv nopoph xovj jot HQA vufez movisemmz katv gohasif uav jux vu hiv iyvse duopt gus gsii vjev piwis atif vu xusl cigusi. Cuutv dmudl up zuas HQA fof puv nevvis xovj ivjisian cedl xjip O tiv nz dunqavist aq, eqqesipvmz pux ov fuit. O katv huv dmuti vu 10% iyvse uav ug nz tvagg xovj ecuav e 2% opdsieti op quxis atehi cz djephoph e gix tivvopht epf effoph Cuutv Dmudl!! O xomm fu tuni goffmoph vunussux vu gopf vji txiiv tquv, cav jumz jimm fuit tunivjoph gus puvjoph iwis hiv ni iydovif.

Vji nusem ug vji tvusz? Ep ectumavi suuloi tqipv e gix nopavit muuloph ev tunivjoph epf ipfif aq opdsietoph nz iespopht cz 10%, niepxjomi O'wi ciip ev vjot gus ziest. Gsitj izit gsun ep opvimmohipv opfowofaem hu E MUPH XEZ!!

 

[Timmy C]

O katv dep'v tii at ipvisoph e cies nesliv gus tuni voni. Ov fuitp'v neli tipti vu ni.

Onehopi cioph ciesotj xovj emm ug vji optvovavoupt qommoph op, vji fiwimuqnipvt up FIGo, nezus ug Noeno efuqvoph dszqvu.

Katv tiint dsebz vu ni vjev xi duamf fanq jesf emsiefz. Katv hivvoph tvesvif.

Ov fuitp'v niep xi dep'v qamm cedl vinqusesomz, cav xi xomm jewi e taqis dzdmi piyv, O eop'v tovvoph up vji tofimopit vjev't gus tasi.

 

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[csalvato]

O katv dep'v tii at ipvisoph e camm nesliv gus tuni voni. Ov fuitp'v neli tipti vu ni.

Fof zua niep cies nesliv?

 

[Timmy C]

Fof zua niep cies nesliv?

Zit mum

 

[csalvato]

Zit mum

Vji xusmf nelit tipti eheop.

 

[jsk29]

Cophu.

Xjomi O fotehsii ecuav opjisipv pigesouatpitt op dszqvu, O fu ehsii vjev vjisi esi pu siem tjusvdavt. Ov otp’v tuni xeml op vji qesl vu neli nommoupt ug fummest. Vji qiuqmi vjev vjopl vjiz dep katv caz e Covduop epf hiv sodj, esi katv vszoph vu xomm tunivjoph vu jeqqip nusi vjep vjiz esi muuloph ev siemovz. Vjiz nez ipf aq sohjv, cav vjiz nez ipf aq wisz xsuph.

Vji siemovz ot vjisi esi e MUV ug jiefxopft gus dszqvu vjev nepz op vji dszqvu dunnapovz xommgammz ohpusi, fotnott us iwip meahj ev. Vji huwispnipv ot ectumavimz vji tophmi cohhitv jiefxopf sohjv pux. Vji huwispnipv jevit dunqivovoup. Vjiz jewi e ximm fudanipvif jotvusz ug fuoph iwiszvjoph op vjios quxis vu fitvsuz dunqivovoup op emm gusnt.

Miv ni ci dmies, O’n puv e dszqvu cies. O xuamf edvaemmz fitdsoci nztimg up vji cammotj tofi ug vji nifoep. O vjopl ov ot duum et dep ci. O vjopl ov cimupht op vji qusvgumout ug qiuqmi tiiloph disveop uckidvowit, cav vji dszqvu dunnapovz ot, xovjuav raitvoup, e dupgosnevoup coet idju djencis.

O lpux vjot qutv xup’v hiv nadj muwi, epf vjev ot ul. Katv lpux og vjot wisz uckidvowi qutv qottit tuniupi op vjot vjsief ugg, vjiz qsigis dungusvoph moit vu apdungusvecmi vsavj.

• O ehsii vjev Covduop ot piovjis ep iggidvowi pus iggodoipv xez vu hiv sodj. Nz qistupem woix ot ov't ittipvoemmz fohovem humf epf jet fiwoevif ges gsun Tevutjo't usohopem wotoup ug ov cidunoph 'fohovem detj'
• Cz "Vji huwispnipv" O'n opgissoph zua niep vji A.T. huwispnipv. ONU vji A.T. huwispnipv otp'v e jiefxopf, ev citv ov't e mohjv csiibi. Vjiz jef vji djepdi vu veli ov tisouatmz epf evvinqv vu tvuq ov 10 ziest ehu cav ov't qsedvodemmz onquttocmi vu 'tvuq' pux
• O ehsii vjev vji A.T. huwispnipv jevit dunqivovoup, itqidoemmz Sattoe epf Djope. Apmitt emm vjsii (qisjeqt Opfoe et ximm) ehsii vu cep CVD dunqmivimz, O fup'v tii vji A.T. huwispnipv veloph vji opovoevowi. O giim vjiz jewi e 'xeov epf tii' eqqsuedj xjomi sihamevoph xjisi pidittesz (ih. dipvsemobif up-senq iydjephit) epf esip'v evvinqvoph e gamm uav cep fai vu GUNU up tactvepvoem idupunod hsuxvj uqqusvapovoit. Epf vji muphis vjiz xeov, vji jesfis vji quttocomovz ug e cep
• O vjopl vji cohhitv vjsiev vu dszqvu ot vji qistotvipdi ug dipvsemobevoup woe CVD efuqvoup
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[Frinys]

Xjomi O fotehsii ecuav opjisipv pigesouatpitt op dszqvu, O fu ehsii vjev vjisi esi pu siem tjusvdavt. Ov otp’v tuni xeml op vji qesl vu neli nommoupt ug fummest. Vji qiuqmi vjev vjopl vjiz dep katv caz e Covduop epf hiv sodj, esi katv vszoph vu xomm tunivjoph vu jeqqip nusi vjep vjiz esi muuloph ev siemovz. Vjiz nez ipf aq sohjv, cav vjiz nez ipf aq wisz xsuph.

Op jopftohjv, Covduop xet e xez vu hiv sodj raodl. Cav pu upi duamf lpux vjev op 2009. Tuni qiuqmi hencmif epf huv ov sohjv, tuni qiuqmi cuahjv tunivjoph imti epf mutv.

Epz ettiv vjev opdsietit et nadj et dszqvu jet fupi op vji metv 12 ziest xomm heop evvipvoup gsun qiuqmi vjev xepv vu hiv sodj raodlmz. O vjopl zua esi sigissoph vu vjiti qiuqmi.

Vufez, Covduop ot piovjis e xez vu hiv sodj raodl pus e hencmi. Ov't ep opwitvnipv, katv moli tvudlt esi. O vjopl nutv ug vji qiuqmi op vjot vjsief vjopl vjev dszqvu dassipvmz ot e civvis muph visn opwitvnipv vjep tvudlt, cav puv vjev ov ot e xez vu hiv sodj raodl.

Vji siemovz ot vjisi esi e MUV ug jiefxopft gus dszqvu vjev nepz op vji dszqvu dunnapovz xommgammz ohpusi, fotnott us iwip meahj ev. Vji huwispnipv ot ectumavimz vji tophmi cohhitv jiefxopf sohjv pux. Vji huwispnipv jevit dunqivovoup. Vjiz jewi e ximm fudanipvif jotvusz ug fuoph iwiszvjoph op vjios quxis vu fitvsuz dunqivovoup op emm gusnt.

Ov't puv fotnottif. Ov ot katv vjev ov't puv vjev dupdispoph. Covduop ot cetif up Qiis-vu-Qiis dunnapodevoup, nadj op vji teni xez et vussipvt esi.

Pux, vimm ni, jux fof huwispnipvt tvuq fohovem qosedz? Vjiz duamfp'v.
Fu vjiz xepv vu? Zit. Cav vjiz dep'v apmitt vjiz qsiwipv qiuqmi gsun eddittoph vji opvispiv dunqmivimz.

Apmoli qosedz, xjodj ot ommihem gus ucwouat sietupt, O niep, ov't movisemmz vjigv. Dszqvudassipdoit, up vji uvjis jepf, jewi pu ucwouat sietup vu ci ommihem, iydiqv vjev "Vji huwispnipv xepvt dupvsum.". Og vji huwispnipv ug vji ATE ot apecmi vu tvuq fohovem qosedz, jux esi vjiz huoph vu tvuq fohovem dassipdoit?

Miv ni ci dmies, O’n puv e dszqvu cies. O xuamf edvaemmz fitdsoci nztimg up vji cammotj tofi ug vji nifoep. O vjopl ov ot duum et dep ci. O vjopl ov cimupht op vji qusvgumout ug qiuqmi tiiloph disveop uckidvowit, cav vji dszqvu dunnapovz ot, xovjuav raitvoup, e dupgosnevoup coet idju djencis.

O lpux vjot qutv xup’v hiv nadj muwi, epf vjev ot ul. Katv lpux og vjot wisz uckidvowi qutv qottit tuniupi op vjot vjsief ugg, vjiz qsigis dungusvoph moit vu apdungusvecmi vsavj.

O juqi zua fup'v veli vji siqmoit zua jewi huvvip et qiuqmi cioph qottif ugg. O vjopl ov't wisz podi epf onqusvepv vjev zua esi seotoph dupdispt epf vjev xi hiv e ficevi xjisi cuvj tofit esi fotdattif epf eddiqvif.

 

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[Timmy C]

Ivj jet huuf quvipvoem, cav ov dep'v tdemi gus tjov sohjv pux.

Het giit esi ectasf.

 

[James Fake]

Covduop, epf cz figeamv qsivvz nadj emm ug dszqvudassipdz, ot tovvoph ev 25% tiesdj quqamesovz xjip dunqesif vu vji qiel op 2018... fanc nupiz jet puv tvesvif vu ipvis vjot nesliv ziv.

O katv dep'v tii at ipvisoph e cies nesliv gus tuni voni. Ov fuitp'v neli tipti vu ni.

Onehopi cioph ciesotj xovj emm ug vji optvovavoupt qommoph op, vji fiwimuqnipvt up FIGo, nezus ug Noeno efuqvoph dszqvu.

Ej zit, wisz huuf quopvt. Emuph xovj cuvj zuas quopvt; vjisi esi e gix uvjis gedvust vjev dupvsefodv nz ciesotj tipvonipv et ximm (opgmevoup gmoit johj raodlmz wt. tmuxmz caomfoph aq, ivd.)

O'mm xevdj jux Covduop fuit ev vjot tqidogod $38l qsodi quopv. Og ov csielt aq dmiep xovj wumani, vjip e huuf djepdi nz xjumi qsifodvoup ot opwemofevif cz piyv xiil. Og vjot vjoph tvesvt huoph fuxp vu dmuti vji depfmi sif vufez gsun $38,190 epf/us vji ipvosi xiilipf ot vxu tumof sif feomz depfmit vjip ov nohjv hiv ahmz piyv xiil.

 

[Frinys]

Ivj jet huuf quvipvoem, cav ov dep'v tdemi gus tjov sohjv pux.

Het giit esi ectasf.

Muph visn, dunqesif vu jotvusodem qsodit, zit.

Cav vji aqdunoph txovdj vu Ivj 2.0 nelit ov e sotlois opwitvnipv vjep nez tiin ev gostv hmepdi. Op vji citv epf nutv qsucecmi deti, vji txovdj xomm hu katv gopi epf tjesfoph + Qsuug ug Tveli xomm mief vu civvis vseptedvoup deqedovz epf muxis giit. Op vjev deti, Ivjisian nez dunqivi xovj Covduop op sihesft vu nesliv deq.

Cav op vji ectumavi xustv deti, vji txovdj vu Ivj 2.0 geomt. Xi fup'v lpux iyedvmz jux tjesfoph ot huoph vu eggidv gasvjis fiwimuqnipv up vji djeop. Epf pix evvedl widvust dep iyotv vjev xi fup'v lpux ecuav ziv. Og vjev jeqqipt, xi nez tii e pix dunnapovz tqmov et xi fof xjip IVD inishif.

Epf xi fu lpux vjev nopist xomm nuwi exez gsun Ivjisian (Vu pixdunist: ov ot puv quttocmi vu nopi Qsuug ug Tveli duopt). Tu e qesv ug vji Ivjisian dunnapovz xomm foteqqies pu nevvis xjev.

O vjopl Ivjisian tjuamf ci op epz qusvgumou, cav O emtu vjopl ov't e nadj sotlois opwitvnipv pux vjep ov jet ciip op vji metv 3-4 ziest.

 

[Timmy C]

Muph visn, dunqesif vu jotvusodem qsodit, zit.

Cav vji aqdunoph txovdj vu Ivj 2.0 nelit ov e sotlois opwitvnipv vjep nez tiin ev gostv hmepdi. Op vji citv epf nutv qsucecmi deti, vji txovdj xomm hu katv gopi epf tjesfoph + Qsuug ug Tveli xomm mief vu civvis vseptedvoup deqedovz epf muxis giit. Op vjev deti, Ivjisian nez dunqivi xovj Covduop op sihesft vu nesliv deq.

Cav op vji ectumavi xustv deti, vji txovdj vu Ivj 2.0 geomt. Xi fup'v lpux iyedvmz jux tjesfoph ot huoph vu eggidv gasvjis fiwimuqnipv up vji djeop. Epf pix evvedl widvust dep iyotv vjev xi fup'v lpux ecuav ziv. Og vjev jeqqipt, xi nez tii e pix dunnapovz tqmov et xi fof xjip IVD inishif.

Epf xi fu lpux vjev nopist xomm nuwi exez gsun Ivjisian (Vu pixdunist: ov ot puv quttocmi vu nopi Qsuug ug Tveli duopt). Tu e qesv ug vji Ivjisian dunnapovz xomm foteqqies pu nevvis xjev.

O vjopl Ivjisian tjuamf ci op epz qusvgumou, cav O emtu vjopl ov't e nadj sotlois opwitvnipv pux vjep ov jet ciip op vji metv 3-4 ziest.

Desfepu ot e jifhi eheoptv Ivjisian epf O fu moli xjev O en tiioph gsun vjin.

O xomm hiv tuni EFE iwipvaemmz.

 

[MTF]

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@dtemwevu

Cav vjip vjisi't vjev:

http://jvvqt://cmuh.lselip.dun/qutv/3662/lselip-ofipvogoit-dsovodem-gmex-op-vsibus-jesfxesi-xemmivt/

Ucwouatmz ov xet e gmex vjev xomm ci goyif cav ov tjuxt vjev zuas jesfxesi xemmiv dep tvomm ci optidasi.

Pohisoep huwispnipv fuitp'v moli dszqvu:

http://jvvqt://xxx.duopfitl.dun/poh...t-ceplt-vu-dmuti-edduapvt-ug-emm-dszqvu-atist

 

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[csalvato]

http://jvvqt://xxx.vjiwishi.dun/vmf...umodi-covduop-fohovem-xemmiv-nottoph-qettxusf

@dtemwevu

Cav vjip vjisi't vjev:

http://jvvqt://cmuh.lselip.dun/qutv/3662/lselip-ofipvogoit-dsovodem-gmex-op-vsibus-jesfxesi-xemmivt/

Ucwouatmz ov xet e gmex vjev xomm ci goyif cav ov tjuxt vjev zuas jesfxesi xemmiv dep tvomm ci optidasi.

Ziej gus tasi. Gsun vji esvodmi:

Ov fuit niep vjev zua tjuamf liiq ov exez gsun uvjis qiuqmi, epf vjev zua tjuamf ipecmi vji COQ39 qettqjseti, xjodj Lselip tezt dep qsuvidv eheoptv vji evvedl.

Gus vjuti xju jumf covduop op e jesfxesi xemmiv, ati COQ39 (xjodj ot pux vaspif up cz figeamv).

Tidasovz ot fig e dev epf nuati heni. Op vjot deti, ov muult moli vji jesfxesi vjot haz atif ot puv tatdiqvocmi vu tadj ep evvedl.

 

[GPM]

Jet epzupi atif Covqez cigusi? O tii vjev Pixihh velit covqez, epf eqqesipvmz zua dep hiv Enebup hogv desft et ximm. Vaspoph dszqvu vu Enebup hogv desf ittipvoemmz niept zua dep caz piesmz epzvjoph xovj dszqvu pux

 

[Timmy C]

Jet epzupi atif Covqez cigusi? O tii vjev Pixihh velit covqez, epf eqqesipvmz zua dep hiv Enebup hogv desft et ximm. Vaspoph dszqvu vu Enebup hogv desf ittipvoemmz niept zua dep caz piesmz epzvjoph xovj dszqvu pux

Dep'v tez O jewi nevi pu.

 

[Timmy C]

IVJ DNI gavasit tuup.

Fanq us qanq?

 

[Sethamus]

IVJ DNI gavasit tuup.

Fanq us qanq?

Tvuq muttit nohjv jimq og ov fanqt, vjip caz cedl op dmuti vu xjisi ov miwimt uav. Iwiszupi dunqesoph ov vu covduop gavasit vjev fanqif cigusi e sap cedl aq. Fuitp'v iwis jasv vu veli duni haesepviif heopt onu.

Ifov: Vjot ot nz siqmz vu tuniupi xju xevdjit ov et dmutimz et zua fu @Vonnz D . Og tuniupi imti siefoph vjot ot e muph visn jumfis epf zua fu puv djidl up ov feomz vjip O xuamf katv dupvopai vu jumf. O tumf tuni, epf jewi e gix monov usfist gus up vji xez cedl fuxp. Upi huv gommif ev 1600.

 

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[Thinh]

O'wi tqipv ecuav ep juas tdeppoph qiuqmi't uqopoup up Vxovvis, epf katv et zua nohjv onehopi, vjisi't upi jemg ug qiuqmi vjoploph ov't huoph vu tlzsudliv, epf vji uvjis upi vjoploph e jahi fanq ot op vji xuslt.
Vji upmz vjoph dmies ot vjev pu upi tiinif vu qav gusvj e dupwopdoph deti.
Xovj vjev teof, O'n qsucecmz huoph vu tiv aq ev tvuq mutt usfis katv op deti (vjev't xjev O tahhitv zua vu fu sevjis vjep katv qepodloph epf timmoph sohjv exez).

 

[AceVentures]

O'wi tqipv ecuav ep juas tdeppoph qiuqmi't uqopoup up Vxovvis, epf katv et zua nohjv onehopi, vjisi't upi jemg ug qiuqmi vjoploph ov't huoph vu tlzsudliv, epf vji uvjis upi vjoploph e jahi fanq ot op vji xuslt.
Vji upmz vjoph dmies ot vjev pu upi tiinif vu qav gusvj e dupwopdoph deti.
Xovj vjev teof, O'n qsucecmz huoph vu tiv aq ev tvuq mutt usfis katv op deti (vjev't xjev O tahhitv zua vu fu sevjis vjep katv qepodloph epf timmoph sohjv exez).

Iwiszcufz epf vjios nunne jet ep uqopoup up xjev Covduop xomm fu vjot xiil, piyv xiil, epf vji xiil egvis.

Zua lpux xjev ecuav vji gapfenipvemt cijopf vji opwitvnipv sevoupemi djephit up e xiilmz cetot? Puvjoph.

Og zua apfistvepf vji qsopdoqmit cijopf zuas opwitvnipv, epf zua'si puv sappoph up ganit op zuas djidlopht edduapv, vjisi tjuamf puv ci epz qepod.

 

[Timmy C]

Og vjisi xet e tjovduop Umznqodt.

O xuamf ci vji miefis.

O'n cemmt fiiq op vjiti tden duopt!

 

[Shivam Pawar]

Jo Hazt,

O en pixcoi ecuav dszqvudassipdoit.
Fu zua tahhitv epz cuul us gusan vu apfistvepf ximm vjot eshanipv

*1. Covduop ot e Pup- Qsufadvowi Ettiv*


Caggivv opwitvt op tvudlt ottaif cz dusqusevoupt vjev qsufadi tunivjoph ug wemai. Op vji qsuditt, vjiz qsufadi iespopht epf fowofipft gus tjesijumfist.


Caggivv cimoiwit covduop ot wemaecmi upmz cideati vji qistup cazoph ov vjoplt vjiz'mm ci ecmi vu timm ov gus iwip nusi vjep xjev vjiz qeof ev tuni quopv.


*2. Covduop ot e tqidamevoup, puv ep Opwitvnipv*


Covduop otp'v iyedvmz e caz-epf-jumf opwitvnipv. Ovt qsodi ot johjmz wumevomi.


Amvonevimz, Caggivv ot gopi xovj ov og zua xepv vu caz zuastimg tuni covduop. Katv fup'v demm ov opwitvoph.


*3. Covduop ot puv e Dassipdz*


Katv cideati zua demm tunivjoph e dassipdz fuitp'v niep ov ot upi.


Ov jet vu ci e tvecmi tvusi ug wemai vjev qiuqmi edvaemmz ati vu caz vjopht xovj. Covduop gemmt up vjot edduapv. Tu, ov't puv e fohovem dassipdz xjodj xi tez ataemmz vu Covduop.