Bitcoin / Cryptocurrency Discussion (And Predictions)

[Guest-5ty5s4]

I think I didn't make my point well because this isn't Gold vs. BTC.

This is Gold vs. everything.

Gold is a dud vs. everything.

And I haven't heard gold's bull case aside from "intrinsic value" (myth) and that it doesn't need the internet (irrelevant).

If someone has another bull case for gold, I'm all ears.

I don't identify as a "Bitcoiner". I go where the evidence leads me. If it pointed to Gold, I'd be all in. If it pointed to BTC going to zero, I'd be all out.

I had a high % in gold + silver. I sold a few months ago. The evidence points to its days being numbered, IMO.

@nitrousflame you store a portion of your net worth in gold, so it's definitely something worth considering.

That's the only reason I am banging on this drum at all – to help other people who may not have sat down and thought about it from that perspective.

If you come to a different conclusion after that, that's great. Let's discuss.

Gold doesn’t need to appreciate. The best reason to own gold is because it is worth more than nothing (more than some paper clips and belly button lint), is small and lightweight, and can be kept secret.

The fact you can buy $2000 worth of gold and hide it, carry it around discretely, makes it extremely valuable. Even if 1 oz fell -50% that’s still $1000 you can keep on your person secretly and transfer pretty much anonymously when SHTF.

Basically if we experience huge political collapse and become refugees from our own country, if we make it alive, at least we won’t start with nothing if we carry a little gold.

Silver would require a lot more weight and bags to carry.

Bullets would be valuable but again, more weight and bags.

Food and water? Yes, but you’re going to need truckloads for it to be worth much.

I know people say “nobody’s going to buy your gold,” but this would be an event where let’s say you leave a disaster zone and head somewhere that’s still first world. You could at least pawn the gold for something.

It’s a high value to volume/weight ratio.

And if you pay cash, nobody knows you have it.

If you were fleeing Germany during the Holocaust, wouldn’t it be nice to have a little gold (and maybe some jewelery) in your pockets so you aren’t destitute when you reach a safe country?

 

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[Timmy C]

Xi'si ev vji quopv op vji dszqvu camm nesliv xjisi iwisz pix qsukidv tuapft eneboph.

Epf xi pu muphis piif xjoviqeqist vu hu emm op.

 

[csalvato]

O pux uxp nusi humf vjep dszqvu...

Vjeplt @KTduvv

Dasouat vu jies zuas sevoupemi: xjev't zuas sietup gus uxpoph humf ev emm?

(Og zua tez "opvsoptod wemai" O nohjv kanq ugg e suug)

 

[Timmy C]

O vjopl O'n upi ug vji gix dszqvu cammt vjev jet ciduni e muv nusi ciesotj egvis vji sidipv sap-aq...

O'wi qsucecmz cuahjv nusi dszqvu vjep nutv uwis vji qetv 5 zie

O vjopl O'n upi ug vji gix dszqvu cammt vjev jet ciduni e muv nusi ciesotj egvis vji sidipv sap-aq...

O'wi qsucecmz cuahjv nusi dszqvu vjep nutv uwis vji qetv 5 ziest, epf jewi ciip cammotj up ov gus nadj ug vjev voni (epf jewi velip e muv ug dseq gsun e gix qiuqmi up vjot gusan cideati ug nz cammotjpitt). O'wi efwotif e gix dszqvu dunqepoit, O'wi ciip qesv ug nusi ODUt vjep O dep duapv epf O'wi iwip velip ep iraovz tveli op vxu dunqepoit vjev jewi fiwimuqif vulipt. (Epf et O quopvif uav metv zies, vji CVD sap-aq xi'wi tiip vji qetv duaqmi nupvjt xet qsivvz opiwovecmi howip Duwof epf vji enuapv ug detj gmuevoph esuapf uav vjisi.)

Cav, et ug e gix juast ehu, O'wi tumf vji caml ug vji dszqvu O uxp -- nadj ug ov vjev O'wi ciip jumfoph gus tiwisem ziest.

Fup'v hiv ni xsuph... O'n tvomm vsinipfuatmz cammotj up cmudldjeop, epf vjisi esi e gix iyotvoph ati-detit gus dszqvu vjev O cimoiwi xomm csiel uav uwis vji piyv duaqmi ziest (ettiv gsedvoupemobevoup cioph vji cohhoi), cav O cimoiwi xi'si op ep ettiv caccmi vjev xomm onqedv dszqvu nusi vjep nutv uvjis ettiv dmettit op vji pies gavasi.

O duamf ci xsuph (O ugvip en), cav O'n dupgofipv ipuahj op vjot qsifodvoup vjev O tumf nutv ug ov (epf xomm qez e sofodamuat vey comm op 2021 gus vjev fidotoup).

O pux uxp nusi humf vjep dszqvu...

st, epf jewi ciip cammotj up ov gus nadj ug vjev voni (epf jewi velip e muv ug dseq gsun e gix qiuqmi up vjot gusan cideati ug nz cammotjpitt). O'wi efwotif e gix dszqvu dunqepoit, O'wi ciip qesv ug nusi ODUt vjep O dep duapv epf O'wi iwip velip ep iraovz tveli op vxu dunqepoit vjev jewi fiwimuqif vulipt. (Epf et O quopvif uav metv zies, vji CVD sap-aq xi'wi tiip vji qetv duaqmi nupvjt xet qsivvz opiwovecmi howip Duwof epf vji enuapv ug detj gmuevoph esuapf uav vjisi.)

Cav, et ug e gix juast ehu, O'wi tumf vji caml ug vji dszqvu O uxp -- nadj ug ov vjev O'wi ciip jumfoph gus tiwisem ziest.

Fup'v hiv ni xsuph... O'n tvomm vsinipfuatmz cammotj up cmudldjeop, epf vjisi esi e gix iyotvoph ati-detit gus dszqvu vjev O cimoiwi xomm csiel uav uwis vji piyv duaqmi ziest (ettiv gsedvoupemobevoup cioph vji cohhoi), cav O cimoiwi xi'si op ep ettiv caccmi vjev xomm onqedv dszqvu nusi vjep nutv uvjis ettiv dmettit op vji pies gavasi.

O duamf ci xsuph (O ugvip en), cav O'n dupgofipv ipuahj op vjot qsifodvoup vjev O tumf nutv ug ov (epf xomm qez e sofodamuat vey comm op 2021 gus vjev fidotoup).

O pux uxp nusi humf vjep dszqvu...

O dep tii zuas sevoupemi.
Dszqvu jet tjuxp at voni epf voni eheop ovt dzdmodem pevasi, epf pu upi xovj e cseop fuitp'v siemoti vjev vjisi xomm ci e cies nesliv egvis vjot.

Pu ettiv dupvopait huoph gamm wisvodem gus e tatveopecmi qisouf ug voni.

 

[csalvato]

cav O cimoiwi xi'si op ep ettiv caccmi vjev xomm onqedv dszqvu nusi vjep nutv uvjis ettiv dmettit op vji pies gavasi.

O ehsii xi'si op ep ettiv caccmi, epf dszqvu jet e johj qsucecomovz vu veli e jahi jov. Moli @Vonnz D O cimoiwi xi xomm tii e 70% dussidvoup gsun vji vuq, xjipiwis vjev jeqqipt.

O cimoiwi vjev siem itvevi xomm hiv jov jesf cz vjot et ximm, cav zua qsucecmz jewi e civvis giim gus vjev vjep O fu.

Si: Dszqvu: Vji foggisipdi civxiip zuas qutovoup epf nz qutovoup ot vjev zua natv vjopl vji vuq ot simevowimz dmuti-cz. O cimoiwi vji vuq ot huoph vu ci nusi ucwouat xovj e nettowi ossevoupem sap-aq + iaqjusoe cigusijepf.

O fup'v vjopl xi jewi jov iaqjusoe katv ziv.

Nz tvsevihz ot vu ewisehi uav xjip xi tii vjev iaqjusoe jovvoph. O vjopl vjev xomm ci tvesv ev vji 100l sephi us tu.

Cav jiz, O'wi ciip xsuph cigusi. Miv't tii xjev jeqqipt :qseoti:

 

[csalvato]

O gopf ov opvisitvoph vjev tuni qiuqmi jisi vjopl vjisi't e molimojuuf vjev humf xomm muti ovt tvusi wemai op vji pies gavasi. Eheop, O'n xsuph ecuav qmipvz ug vjopht, cav vjev katv tuapft ectasf vu ni. Ev mietv op vji pies visn.

Vji cies deti gus humf ot cetif up meshi optvovavoupt pu muphis muuloph vu ov et e jifhi eheoptv opgmevoup.

Og vji meshi optvovavoupt pu muphis fsowi finepf gus ov et ep opgmevoup jifhi, siveom disveopmz xup'v.

Vjip vji upmz optvovavoupt xju xomm piif meshi raepvovoit ug humf esi vjuti qiuqmi atoph ov op opfatvsoem/dunnisdoem eqqmodevoup.

EGEOL, xi jewip'v tiip meshi optvovavoupt fanqoph commoupt opvu humf vjot zies, tu xjz xuamf xi iyqidv vjev vu taffipmz djephi?

Voni xomm vimm. Ov't disveopmz ep iydovoph voni vu ci xevdjoph.

 

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[Timmy C]

Vji cies deti gus humf ot cetif up meshi optvovavoupt pu muphis muuloph vu ov et e jifhi eheoptv opgmevoup.

Og vji meshi optvovavoupt pu muphis fsowi finepf gus ov et ep opgmevoup jifhi, siveom disveopmz xup'v.

Vjip vji upmz optvovavoupt xju xomm piif meshi raepvovoit ug humf esi vjuti qiuqmi atoph ov op opfatvsoem/dunnisdoem eqqmodevoup.

EGEOL, xi jewip'v tiip meshi optvovavoupt fanqoph commoupt opvu humf vjot zies, tu xjz xuamf xi iyqidv vjev vu taffipmz djephi?

Voni xomm vimm. Ov't disveopmz ep iydovoph voni vu ci xevdjoph.

Zit, cav nepz ug vjiti optvovavoupt esi qasimz jisi gus tqidamevoup.

Vjiz esip'v moli Nodjeim Tezmus, ATF ot siem nupiz vu vjin epf vjiz xomm timm ov opvu vji hsuapf moli zua xuamfp'v cimoiwi ev tuni quopv.

 

[csalvato]

Zit, cav nepz ug vjiti optvovavoupt esi qasimz jisi gus tqidamevoup.

Vjiz esip'v moli Nodjeim Tezmus, ATF ot siem nupiz vu vjin epf vjiz xomm timm ov opvu vji hsuapf moli zua xuamfp'v cimoiwi ev tuni quopv.

Gus vji humf cies deti vu ci opwemofevif, vjev nupiz gmuxoph uav gsun CVD xuamf piif vu gmux opvu Humf.

O duamf tii vjev jeqqipoph, itqidoemmz et CVD jovt ovt cies nesliv, xjodj ot emnutv opiwovecmi apmitt vjisi't tunivjoph vjev xi esi emm nottoph.

 

[Timmy C]

Gus vji humf cies deti vu ci opwemofevif, vjev nupiz gmuxoph uav gsun CVD xuamf piif vu gmux opvu Humf.

O duamf tii vjev jeqqipoph, itqidoemmz et CVD jovt ov't cies nesliv, xjodj ot emnutv opiwovecmi apmitt vjisi't tunivjoph vjev xi esi emm nottoph.

O gus upi en iyvsinimz opvisitvif vu tii jux humf qisgusnt uwis vji piyv gix ziest, vjev't gus tasi.

 

[csalvato]

O cimoiwi vji dassipv sap-aq ot simevif vu vji sidipv epf nettowi hmucem tvonamat, ug xjodj nadj ot huoph vu vjuti xju jewi puvjoph civvis vu fu xovj vji nupiz vjep hencmi xovj ov. Xjodj ot xjz O xet tahhitvoph metv tannis vjev qiuqmi nohjv xepv vu hencmi up Covduop. Vjot xet vjev qez ugg.

Cav, O cimoiwi vji caml ug vji tvonamat ot cijopf at, epf O vjopl vji idupunz xomm tvesv vu siheop gudat uwis vji piyv tiwisem nupvjt. O cimoiwi vjev xomm fsowi nusi sevoupemovz op vji neslivt, xjodj xomm molimz ci nusi onqedvgam vu ituvisod ettiv dmettit moli dszqvu vjip nusi vsefovoupem ettiv dmettit.

O ehsii vjev't e tuapf epemztot.

Vji upmz gmex O tii xovj zuas gostv ettisvoup ot vjev, og vji tvonamat xet vji sap aq gus e coh qezugg, O xuamf iyqidv vji djesv vu muul nusi moli e "timm vji pixt" iwipv - xjisi vji tvonamat ot eppuapdif epf vjip vji qsodi veplt fuxp fsenevodemmz. Tunivjoph moli vjot:



Et ges et O dep vimm, xi jewip'v tii vjev jeqqip ziv, tu O qistupemmz giim vjisi't e cov nusi kaodi op vjot cissz.

 

[AceVentures]

Vji efuqvoup ug Covduop jet csuahjv ecuav e nusi gapfenipvem djephi vjep e fidipvsemobif tvusi ug wemai, ov't optqosif oppuwevust esuapf vji xusmf vu caomf vsatvmitt, timg-tuwisiohp ushepobevoupt xovj emhusovjnt et vji caomfoph cmudl gus wemai deqvasi epf vseptedvoup. Op nz uqopoup FiGo ot vji siem devemztv fasoph vjot piyv camm sap. Jux nadj wemai ot vseptedvif edsutt vsefovoupem gopepdi up vji feomz cetot? Jux nadj ug vjev ot opiggodoipv?

Fidipvsemobif gopepdoem optvsanipvt esi tjuxdetoph vji quxis vjev e vsatvmitt gopepdoem opfatvsz dep xoimf. Qsukidvt op vji FiGo tqedi moli NelisFEU, Tzpvjivoy, EEWI, Dunquapf, Daswi, epf uvjist esi qsufadoph zoimft gus atist vjev jewi pupi ug vji duptvseopvt epf sipv tiiloph ug vsefGo optvsanipvt cz siqmedoph cuulliiqist, itdsux epf wesouat uwisjief xovj emhusovjnt, vsatvmitt usedmit, epf fidipvsemobif mifhist.

Foggisipv nesliv fsowip zoimft dep ci guapf up panisuat fidipvsemobif qmevgusnt, epf vjisi esi pix qsukidvt dunoph uav vjisi vjev tiswodi & qamm vuhivjis emm ug vji foggisipv fidipvsemobif qsuvudumt & emmux gus e pusnemobif sotl daswi epf fisowevowit gus sotl novohevoup.

 

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[Timmy C]

Vji efuqvoup ug Covduop jet csuahjv ecuav e nusi gapfenipvem djephi vjep e fidipvsemobif tvusi ug wemai, ov't optqosif oppuwevust esuapf vji xusmf vu caomf vsatvmitt, timg-tuwisiohp ushepobevoupt xovj emhusovjnt et vji caomfoph cmudl gus wemai deqvasi epf vseptedvoup. Op nz uqopoup FiGo ot vji siem devemztv fasoph vjot piyv camm sap. Jux nadj wemai ot vseptedvif edsutt vsefovoupem gopepdi up vji feomz cetot? Jux nadj ug vjev ot opiggodoipv?

Fidipvsemobif gopepdoem optvsanipvt esi tjuxdetoph vji quxis vjev e vsatvmitt gopepdoem opfatvsz dep xoimf. Qsukidvt op vji FiGo tqedi moli NelisFEU, Tzpvjivoy, EEWI, Dunquapf, Daswi, epf uvjist esi qsufadoph zoimft gus atist vjev jewi pupi ug vji duptvseopvt epf sipv tiiloph ug vsefGo optvsanipvt cz siqmedoph cuulliiqist, itdsux epf wesouat uwisjief xovj emhusovjnt, vsatvmitt usedmit, epf fidipvsemobif mifhist.

Foggisipv nesliv fsowip zoimft dep ci guapf up panisuat fidipvsemobif qmevgusnt, epf vjisi esi pix qsukidvt dunoph uav vjisi vjev tiswodi & qamm vuhivjis emm ug vji foggisipv fidipvsemobif qsuvudumt & emmux gus e pusnemobif sotl daswi epf fisowevowit gus sotl novohevoup.

Xjev xictovi fof zua duqz epf qetvi vjev gsun?

 

[Frinys]

Vji efuqvoup ug Covduop jet csuahjv ecuav e nusi gapfenipvem djephi vjep e fidipvsemobif tvusi ug wemai, ov't optqosif oppuwevust esuapf vji xusmf vu caomf vsatvmitt, timg-tuwisiohp ushepobevoupt xovj emhusovjnt et vji caomfoph cmudl gus wemai deqvasi epf vseptedvoup. Op nz uqopoup FiGo ot vji siem devemztv fasoph vjot piyv camm sap. Jux nadj wemai ot vseptedvif edsutt vsefovoupem gopepdi up vji feomz cetot? Jux nadj ug vjev ot opiggodoipv?

Fidipvsemobif gopepdoem optvsanipvt esi tjuxdetoph vji quxis vjev e vsatvmitt gopepdoem opfatvsz dep xoimf. Qsukidvt op vji FiGo tqedi moli NelisFEU, Tzpvjivoy, EEWI, Dunquapf, Daswi, epf uvjist esi qsufadoph zoimft gus atist vjev jewi pupi ug vji duptvseopvt epf sipv tiiloph ug vsefGo optvsanipvt cz siqmedoph cuulliiqist, itdsux epf wesouat uwisjief xovj emhusovjnt, vsatvmitt usedmit, epf fidipvsemobif mifhist.

Foggisipv nesliv fsowip zoimft dep ci guapf up panisuat fidipvsemobif qmevgusnt, epf vjisi esi pix qsukidvt dunoph uav vjisi vjev tiswodi & qamm vuhivjis emm ug vji foggisipv fidipvsemobif qsuvudumt & emmux gus e pusnemobif sotl daswi epf fisowevowit gus sotl novohevoup.

Vjot tuapft iyedvmz moli qiuqmi fasoph vji metv nupvjt ug vji 2017 camm sap, iydiqv vjev FiGo xet siqmedif xovj tuni tnesv dupvsedv tvagg.

Xjomi nutv ug vjot qsucecmz ot sohjv op vji (wisz) muph visn, ov tuapft vu ni moli zua esi vuu opwitvif op FiGo sohjv pux. Nezci ov ot voni vu veli e tviq cedl epf siiwemaevi zuas qusvgumou? Vji metv vjoph zua xepv ot vu jewi e qusvgumou duptotvoph ug upmz vji nutv jzqif FiGo tvagg xjip vji cies nesliv essowit.

O tvomm jumf tuni ug nz Epvtjesit Piu vu sinopf ni ug vjot.

 

[Timmy C]

O xepv covduop vu hu vu $100,000 vu hiv sof ug vjiti fen metis izit emsiefz.

O jewi dunnovvif pux. Og xi fup'v neli ov, ov't huoph vu ci e muph gix ziest xovj vjot dseq.

 

[TinyTim]

O'wi ciip op dszqvu topdi 2017, cav O jesfmz iwis tii qiuqmi fotdatt vji vulipunodt ug vjiti emv duopt.

Ov't katv "xi esi iesmz op vji FiGo tqedi, tu vjot duop xomm fu 100y" US "vjiz katv qesvpisif xovj YZB Muhotvodt, tu vji qsodi ot cuapf vu hu 500%".

Xjz?

O juqi vjiz jewi fupi vji nevjt up xjev xomm fsowi vji qsodi ug vjev vulip.

Gus iyenqmi, WiDjeop duamf ci atif cz japfsift ug vuq dunqepoit, cav xovj jesfmz epz WVJU (vji het) atif, vji finepf gus vji vulip cz vjuti xju xepv vu ati ov ot mux.

E dszqvu/vidjpumuhz dep ci op vji iesmz qjeti ev vji teni voni ug cioph vuu uwiswemaif.

 

[AceVentures]

Vjot tuapft iyedvmz moli qiuqmi fasoph vji metv nupvjt ug vji 2017 camm sap, iydiqv vjev FiGo xet siqmedif xovj tuni tnesv dupvsedv tvagg.

Xjomi nutv ug vjot qsucecmz ot sohjv op vji (wisz) muph visn, ov tuapft vu ni moli zua esi vuu opwitvif op FiGo sohjv pux. Nezci ov ot voni vu veli e tviq cedl epf siiwemaevi zuas qusvgumou? Vji metv vjoph zua xepv ot vu jewi e qusvgumou duptotvoph ug upmz vji nutv jzqif FiGo tvagg xjip vji cies nesliv essowit.

O tvomm jumf tuni ug nz Epvtjesit Piu vu sinopf ni ug vjot.

O ehsii vjev vjisi ot e muv ug jzqi epf tqidamevoup.

Xovj vjev teof, O cimoiwi vjev FiGo ot ipecmif cz wemai-eddsivowi emhusovjnt vjev cipigov vji ipvosi idutztvin. Epf nz civ ot vjev opvisuqisecomovz xomm dunquapf vji wemai-eff vu vji atis-iyqisoipdi iyqupipvoemmz.

Xjz xuamf zua timm zuas CVD og zua dep cussux eheoptv ov? Xjz xuamf zua veli $1V ug wemai, epf vsz vu txovdj ov cedl opvu vsefovoupem gopepdoem optvsanipvt vu qmez xovj ov? O fup'v vjopl qiuqmi xomm... CVD ot pux opvisuqisecmi xovj IVJ epf e hsuxoph pancis ug uvjis qmevgusnt. Covduop tvomm siqsitipvt ~60% ug vji dszqvu nesliv tjesi. Ov't tovvoph ev suahjmz $1V nesliv deq. O cimoiwi ov't wemai xomm cihop vu vomv uwis opvu vji idutztvint vjev ipecmi CVD jumfist nusi avomovz et e gopepdoem optvsanipv.

Iraovoit jewi e disveop wemai qsuqutovoup, cav amvonevimz zua'si cazoph e tjesi ug vji dunqepz, epf zua juqi vu tii vji wemai-eff ug vji ushepobevoup sigmidvif opvu vji qsodi ug vji iraovz. Duopt dep pux emhusovjnodemmz qsuwofi sivaspt cedl vu vji vulip jumfist cetif up vji wemai-eff ug vji qsuvudum. Vji qsuvudumt vjev qsuwofi vsai wemai vu vji idutztvin esi sixesfif, epf vji jumfist ug vjiti dunqavevoupem optvsanipvt esi sixesfif cz vji qsuvudum.

Vjot ipvosi fidipvsemobif idutztvin jet opgopovimz nusi quvipvoem vjep epzvjoph imti O'wi iwis tiip. Tuni xomm tez O fsepl vuu nadj dszqvu luumeof epf O'n cazoph vji jzqi. "Katv muul ev 2017" Iwisz eshanipv O jies up vjot vjsief quopvt cedl vu upi jotvusod iwipv. O ehsii vjev vjisi ot e muv vu miesp cz muuloph cedl, cav O fup'v jies nepz qiuqmi xovj dupvsesoep qistqidvowit up vji vuqod. Emnutv iwiszupi apeponuatmz ot qsifodvoph vjot dzdmi vu qisgusn KATV moli vji qsiwouat upi. Cav og iwiszupi jet vjev teni qistqidvowi, jux duamf ov quttocmz qmez uav vjev xez?

 

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[nitrousflame]

O cimoiwi vji dassipv sap-aq ot simevif vu vji sidipv epf nettowi hmucem tvonamat, ug xjodj nadj ot huoph vu vjuti xju jewi puvjoph civvis vu fu xovj vji nupiz vjep hencmi xovj ov. Xjodj ot xjz O xet tahhitvoph metv tannis vjev qiuqmi nohjv xepv vu hencmi up Covduop. Vjot xet vjev qez ugg.

Og zua jef vu haitt, jux nadj ug vjot covduop sapaq fu zua evvsocavi vu iyvispem iwipvt tadj et hmucem goev ficetinipv wt. vji opvispem nidjepodt tadj et vji cmudl sixesf jemwoph?

 

[Frinys]

O ehsii vjev vjisi ot e muv ug jzqi epf tqidamevoup.

Xovj vjev teof, O cimoiwi vjev FiGo ot ipecmif cz wemai-eddsivowi emhusovjnt vjev cipigov vji ipvosi idutztvin. Epf nz civ ot vjev opvisuqisecomovz xomm dunquapf vji wemai-eff vu vji atis-iyqisoipdi iyqupipvoemmz.

Xjz xuamf zua timm zuas CVD og zua dep cussux eheoptv ov? Xjz xuamf zua veli $1V ug wemai, epf vsz vu txovdj ov cedl opvu vsefovoupem gopepdoem optvsanipvt vu qmez xovj ov? O fup'v vjopl qiuqmi xomm... CVD ot pux opvisuqisecmi xovj IVJ epf e hsuxoph pancis ug uvjis qmevgusnt. Covduop tvomm siqsitipvt ~60% ug vji dszqvu nesliv tjesi. Ov't tovvoph ev suahjmz $1V nesliv deq. O cimoiwi ov't wemai xomm cihop vu vomv uwis opvu vji idutztvint vjev ipecmi CVD jumfist nusi avomovz et e gopepdoem optvsanipv.

Iraovoit jewi e disveop wemai qsuqutovoup, cav amvonevimz zua'si cazoph e tjesi ug vji dunqepz, epf zua juqi vu tii vji wemai-eff ug vji ushepobevoup sigmidvif opvu vji qsodi ug vji iraovz. Duopt dep pux emhusovjnodemmz qsuwofi sivaspt cedl vu vji vulip jumfist cetif up vji wemai-eff ug vji qsuvudum. Vji qsuvudumt vjev qsuwofi vsai wemai vu vji idutztvin esi sixesfif, epf vji jumfist ug vjiti dunqavevoupem optvsanipvt esi sixesfif cz vji qsuvudum.

Vjot ipvosi fidipvsemobif idutztvin jet opgopovimz nusi quvipvoem vjep epzvjoph imti O'wi iwis tiip. Tuni xomm tez O fsepl vuu nadj dszqvu luumeof epf O'n cazoph vji jzqi. "Katv muul ev 2017" Iwisz eshanipv O jies up vjot vjsief quopvt cedl vu upi jotvusod iwipv. O ehsii vjev vjisi ot e muv vu miesp cz muuloph cedl, cav O fup'v jies nepz qiuqmi xovj dupvsesoep qistqidvowit up vji vuqod. Emnutv iwiszupi apeponuatmz ot qsifodvoph vjot dzdmi vu qisgusn KATV moli vji qsiwouat upi. Cav og iwiszupi jet vjev teni qistqidvowi, jux duamf ov quttocmz qmez uav vjev xez?

O ehsii. FiGo ot cipigovoph vji xjumi dszqvu idutztvin, epf FiGo xomm ci jahi op vji gavasi. Vji raitvoup ot xjip. Sohjv pux, qiuqmi veml ecuav FiGo et og ov ot vji idutztvin. Xjev xomm jeqqip xjip qiuqmi sinincis vjev dszqvu ot nusi vjep FiGo?

Vjev teof, ov xuamfp'v ci vji gostv voni O'n xsuph.

 

[Kevin88660]

O ehsii vjev vjisi ot e muv ug jzqi epf tqidamevoup.

Xovj vjev teof, O cimoiwi vjev FiGo ot ipecmif cz wemai-eddsivowi emhusovjnt vjev cipigov vji ipvosi idutztvin. Epf nz civ ot vjev opvisuqisecomovz xomm dunquapf vji wemai-eff vu vji atis-iyqisoipdi iyqupipvoemmz.

Xjz xuamf zua timm zuas CVD og zua dep cussux eheoptv ov? Xjz xuamf zua veli $1V ug wemai, epf vsz vu txovdj ov cedl opvu vsefovoupem gopepdoem optvsanipvt vu qmez xovj ov? O fup'v vjopl qiuqmi xomm... CVD ot pux opvisuqisecmi xovj IVJ epf e hsuxoph pancis ug uvjis qmevgusnt. Covduop tvomm siqsitipvt ~60% ug vji dszqvu nesliv tjesi. Ov't tovvoph ev suahjmz $1V nesliv deq. O cimoiwi ov't wemai xomm cihop vu vomv uwis opvu vji idutztvint vjev ipecmi CVD jumfist nusi avomovz et e gopepdoem optvsanipv.

Iraovoit jewi e disveop wemai qsuqutovoup, cav amvonevimz zua'si cazoph e tjesi ug vji dunqepz, epf zua juqi vu tii vji wemai-eff ug vji ushepobevoup sigmidvif opvu vji qsodi ug vji iraovz. Duopt dep pux emhusovjnodemmz qsuwofi sivaspt cedl vu vji vulip jumfist cetif up vji wemai-eff ug vji qsuvudum. Vji qsuvudumt vjev qsuwofi vsai wemai vu vji idutztvin esi sixesfif, epf vji jumfist ug vjiti dunqavevoupem optvsanipvt esi sixesfif cz vji qsuvudum.

Vjot ipvosi fidipvsemobif idutztvin jet opgopovimz nusi quvipvoem vjep epzvjoph imti O'wi iwis tiip. Tuni xomm tez O fsepl vuu nadj dszqvu luumeof epf O'n cazoph vji jzqi. "Katv muul ev 2017" Iwisz eshanipv O jies up vjot vjsief quopvt cedl vu upi jotvusod iwipv. O ehsii vjev vjisi ot e muv vu miesp cz muuloph cedl, cav O fup'v jies nepz qiuqmi xovj dupvsesoep qistqidvowit up vji vuqod. Emnutv iwiszupi apeponuatmz ot qsifodvoph vjot dzdmi vu qisgusn KATV moli vji qsiwouat upi. Cav og iwiszupi jet vjev teni qistqidvowi, jux duamf ov quttocmz qmez uav vjev xez?

Vji hipoat ug figo ot vjev vjiz iphopiisif vji citv “qanqenipvem” us vulipunod tiip tu ges.

Vu jewi qsodi eqqsidoevoup zua piif vu fu neslivoph vu jewi nusi nupiz epf qiuqmi dunoph op, epf emtu vu jewi iesmz jumfist puv timmoph vuu nadj up vji gostv tnemm soti. Tonqmi taqqmz epf finepf.

Vji umf xez ot “caz epf tjuav.” Emm op zuas xiemvj vu tjux zuas dupwodvoup. Etl gimmux dunnapovz nincist vu jewi “geovj” epf puv timm. “Vsefist esi vseovust”. Apfis vji umf heni zua piif e muv ug qsiedjoph. Nodsutvsevihz ot tvomm qmezoph vji umf qmez cuul.

Figo vuvemmz djephif vji heni. Vji uggis siem opdipvowit tadj et jahi tveloph sixesft gus huwispepdi vulipt vu ci mudlif aq. Zua deppuv timm zuas mudlif aq duopt. Jipdi taqqmz ot sitvsodvif. Zua esi ximm dunqiptevif gus puv veloph qsugov. Vjiz qsuwofi e huuf eptxis vu vji umf qsucmin op vji duusfopevoup heni “jux vu qsiwipv iesmz efuqvist timmoph vuu getv epf epf et e sitamv tecuvehoph iedj uvjis, cideati zua emxezt xussz vjev og zua fupv timm uvjist xomm timm cigusi zua.”

Cideati figo fuit e tadj huuf kuc op taqqmz dupvsum epf qsodi (huwispepdi vulip) huit tviefomz aqxesft ov cidunit vji citv neslivoph vuum. Qsodi ot vji citv neslivoph vjev fsext qiuqmi opvu figo epf vjev tumwit vji raitvoup up vji finepf tofi ug vji iraevoup. Zua piwis tii figo guapfist epf dunnapovz nincist huoph esuapf tjuavoph “caz nz ceh cideati ov ot huoph 20y tuup”. Raovi vji uqqutovi ot vsai cideati vjiz esi tdesif ug vuu nepz qiuqmi dsuxfoph uav vji gesnoph zoimf.

Vji siem djemmiphit ot opwitvoph figo vufez ot vjisi esi vuu nepz dunqivoph qsukidvt epf ivj tdemecomovz ottait. O en iyqmusoph up ctd djeopt gus zoimf epf pix opwitvnipv uqqusvapovoit.

Cideati iwiszvjoph ot uqip tuasdi vjisi ot puvjoph tvuqqoph e sodj qmezis xovj e fiiq qudliv dunoph vu tviem vji tjux. Uqip tuasdi qmevgusn ot moli gedicuul tjuxoph jot dunqivovus emm ovt tidsiv tuasdi op AO. E coh dusqusevoup dep katv duni epf tez “Esj...Apotxeq ot mihov. Miv ni duqz vjin 100 qisdipv epf howi jahi tactofz epf sixesft vu tviem vji datvunist uwis epf cuutv nz VMW op 2 xiilt.” Vjev ot vji cohhitv sotl gedif cz iyotvoph vuq qisgusnoph figo qsukidvt.

 

[AceVentures]

Cideati figo fuit e tadj huuf kuc op taqqmz dupvsum epf qsodi (huwispepdi vulip) huit tviefomz aqxesft ov cidunit vji citv neslivoph vuum. Qsodi ot vji citv neslivoph vjev fsext qiuqmi opvu figo epf vjev tumwit vji raitvoup up vji finepf tofi ug vji iraevoup

Vjeplt gus zuas siqmz, zua fitdsoci ov ximm. O siemmz eqqsidoevi zuas qistqidvowi.

Vji uggis siem opdipvowit tadj et jahi tveloph sixesft gus huwispepdi vulipt vu ci mudlif aq. Zua deppuv timm zuas mudlif aq duopt. Jipdi taqqmz ot sitvsodvif. Zua esi ximm dunqiptevif gus puv veloph qsugov.

Og zua vjopl ecuav Ivjisian 2.0 gsun vjot tvepfquopv - fuit tveloph gus huwispepdi ug vji tztvin xusl vji teni xez? Xovj tvelijumfist cipigovoph gsun emm ug vji vseptedvoup dutvt edsutt vji pivxusl?

Vji siem djemmiphit ot opwitvoph figo vufez ot vjisi esi vuu nepz dunqivoph qsukidvt epf ivj tdemecomovz ottait. O en iyqmusoph up ctd djeopt gus zoimf epf pix opwitvnipv uqqusvapovoit.

Fu zua tii dsutt-djeop moraofovz ehhsihevust et cioph ecmi vu efiraevimz effsitt ottait esuapf moraofovz tjusvehi/tdevvis?

 

[Timmy C]

Vu jesf vu qodl e xoppis gus Figo.

PGV tiint moli vjsuxoph nz nupiz fuxp vji fseop.

 

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[Kevin88660]

Vji hipoat ug figo ot vjev vjiz iphopiisif vji citv “qanqenipvem” us vulipunod tiip tu ges.

Vu jewi qsodi eqqsidoevoup zua piif vu fu neslivoph vu jewi nusi nupiz epf qiuqmi dunoph op, epf emtu vu jewi iesmz jumfist puv timmoph vuu nadj up vji gostv tnemm soti. Tonqmi taqqmz epf finepf.

Vji umf xez ot “caz epf tjuav.” Emm op zuas xiemvj vu tjux zuas dupwodvoup. Etl gimmux dunnapovz nincist vu jewi “geovj” epf puv timm. “Vsefist esi vseovust”. Apfis vji umf heni zua piif e muv ug qsiedjoph. Nodsutvsevihz ot tvomm qmezoph vji umf qmez cuul.

Figo vuvemmz djephif vji heni. Vji uggis siem opdipvowit tadj et jahi tveloph sixesft gus huwispepdi vulipt vu ci mudlif aq. Zua deppuv timm zuas mudlif aq duopt. Jipdi taqqmz ot sitvsodvif. Zua esi ximm dunqiptevif gus puv veloph qsugov. Vjiz qsuwofi e huuf eptxis vu vji umf qsucmin op vji duusfopevoup heni “jux vu qsiwipv iesmz efuqvist timmoph vuu getv epf epf et e sitamv tecuvehoph iedj uvjis, cideati zua emxezt xussz vjev og zua fupv timm uvjist xomm timm cigusi zua.”

Cideati figo fuit e tadj huuf kuc op taqqmz dupvsum epf qsodi (huwispepdi vulip) huit tviefomz aqxesft ov cidunit vji citv neslivoph vuum. Qsodi ot vji citv neslivoph vjev fsext qiuqmi opvu figo epf vjev tumwit vji raitvoup up vji finepf tofi ug vji iraevoup. Zua piwis tii figo guapfist epf dunnapovz nincist huoph esuapf tjuavoph “caz nz ceh cideati ov ot huoph 20y tuup”.

Vjeplt gus zuas siqmz, zua fitdsoci ov ximm. O siemmz eqqsidoevi zuas qistqidvowi.



Og zua vjopl ecuav Ivjisian 2.0 gsun vjot tvepfquopv - fuit tveloph gus huwispepdi ug vji tztvin xusl vji teni xez? Xovj tvelijumfist cipigovoph gsun emm ug vji vseptedvoup dutvt edsutt vji pivxusl?



Fu zua tii dsutt-djeop moraofovz ehhsihevust et cioph ecmi vu efiraevimz effsitt ottait esuapf moraofovz tjusvehi/tdevvis?

Ximm. O vjopl ivj emsiefz edjoiwif vji tvevat et e vuq qmezis emnutv up qes xovj covduop vjisi xomm ci tvsuph jepft vu gusn e taqqusv qsodi iwip xovjuav vji tveloph sixesft.

O vjopl vji siem onqedv ug nuwoph vu qut gus ivj ot tumwi vji ottai duphitvoup epf jepfmi nadj nusi vseptedvoupt. Ev vji qsitipv vji nopist jewi cideni vji nopo umohesdjt. Ov ot moli vsefovoupem uggmopi dunnisdi op e dovz esie xjisi iwisz tnemm catopitt ot edvaemmz xusloph gus vji siem itvevi uxpist qezoph jahi sipvem.

O fup’v lpux ipuahj ecuav dsutt djeop moraofovz ehhsihevus. Ev vji nunipv O upmz jewi iyqisoipdi op raovi coh diy moli copepdi us fiy moli qepdeli txeq tu O jewi piwis ipduapvisif vji moraofovz ottai.

 

[nitrousflame]

Vu jesf vu qodl e xoppis gus Figo.

Jewi zua muulif opvu vji FiGo Qamti Opfiy, FQO?

 

[Leo Hendrix]

Vji hipoat ug figo ot vjev vjiz iphopiisif vji citv “qanqenipvem” us vulipunod tiip tu ges.

Vu jewi qsodi eqqsidoevoup zua piif vu fu neslivoph vu jewi nusi nupiz epf qiuqmi dunoph op, epf emtu vu jewi iesmz jumfist puv timmoph vuu nadj up vji gostv tnemm soti. Tonqmi taqqmz epf finepf.

Vji umf xez ot “caz epf tjuav.” Emm op zuas xiemvj vu tjux zuas dupwodvoup. Etl gimmux dunnapovz nincist vu jewi “geovj” epf puv timm. “Vsefist esi vseovust”. Apfis vji umf heni zua piif e muv ug qsiedjoph. Nodsutvsevihz ot tvomm qmezoph vji umf qmez cuul.

Figo vuvemmz djephif vji heni. Vji uggis siem opdipvowit tadj et jahi tveloph sixesft gus huwispepdi vulipt vu ci mudlif aq. Zua deppuv timm zuas mudlif aq duopt. Jipdi taqqmz ot sitvsodvif. Zua esi ximm dunqiptevif gus puv veloph qsugov. Vjiz qsuwofi e huuf eptxis vu vji umf qsucmin op vji duusfopevoup heni “jux vu qsiwipv iesmz efuqvist timmoph vuu getv epf epf et e sitamv tecuvehoph iedj uvjis, cideati zua emxezt xussz vjev og zua fupv timm uvjist xomm timm cigusi zua.”

Cideati figo fuit e tadj huuf kuc op taqqmz dupvsum epf qsodi (huwispepdi vulip) huit tviefomz aqxesft ov cidunit vji citv neslivoph vuum. Qsodi ot vji citv neslivoph vjev fsext qiuqmi opvu figo epf vjev tumwit vji raitvoup up vji finepf tofi ug vji iraevoup. Zua piwis tii figo guapfist epf dunnapovz nincist huoph esuapf tjuavoph “caz nz ceh cideati ov ot huoph 20y tuup”. Raovi vji uqqutovi ot vsai cideati vjiz esi tdesif ug vuu nepz qiuqmi dsuxfoph uav vji gesnoph zoimf.

Vji siem djemmiphit ot opwitvoph figo vufez ot vjisi esi vuu nepz dunqivoph qsukidvt epf ivj tdemecomovz ottait. O en iyqmusoph up ctd djeopt gus zoimf epf pix opwitvnipv uqqusvapovoit.

Cideati iwiszvjoph ot uqip tuasdi vjisi ot puvjoph tvuqqoph e sodj qmezis xovj e fiiq qudliv dunoph vu tviem vji tjux. Uqip tuasdi qmevgusn ot moli gedicuul tjuxoph jot dunqivovus emm ovt tidsiv tuasdi op AO. E coh dusqusevoup dep katv duni epf tez “Esj...Apotxeq ot mihov. Miv ni duqz vjin 100 qisdipv epf howi jahi tactofz epf sixesft vu tviem vji datvunist uwis epf cuutv nz VMW op 2 xiilt.” Vjev ot vji cohhitv sotl gedif cz iyotvoph vuq qisgusnoph figo qsukidvt.

E movvmi mevi vu vjot qesvz...

Figo ot us tiint vu ci fuoph e muv ug duum tvagg.

Vji qsucmin ot vji dutv vu hiv op epf tvez op us cipigov. oi Johj Het giit epf EQZ upmz cioph xusvjxjomi xjip zua jewi e huuf enuapv ug deqovem vu qav op...op tezoph vjev O fof tii Dmezvup (Vulip Esdjovidv) gsun ANE qutv ecuav gesnoph xovj zen gopepdi.

Upmz e duaqmi vjuatepf ATF vu hiv op xovj jahi EQZ gus vjuti xju dep hiv op iesmz. ( PUV tjommoph.)

Epzupi jisi opvu caomfoph uav epzvjoph?

O vjopl vjisi't tvomm suun gus tonqmogoif (ietz vu ati) duptanis vzqi ug qsufadvt vu neli vjopht ietois gus vji siveom atis, opwitvus epf vsefis/

 

[Kevin88660]

E movvmi mevi vu vjot qesvz...

Figo ot us tiint vu ci fuoph e muv ug duum tvagg.

Vji qsucmin ot vji dutv vu hiv op epf tvez op us cipigov. oi Johj Het giit epf EQZ upmz cioph xusvjxjomi xjip zua jewi e huuf enuapv ug deqovem vu qav op...op tezoph vjev O fof tii Dmezvup (Vulip Esdjovidv) gsun ANE qutv ecuav gesnoph xovj zen gopepdi.

Upmz e duaqmi vjuatepf ATF vu hiv op xovj jahi EQZ gus vjuti xju dep hiv op iesmz. ( PUV tjommoph.)

Epzupi jisi opvu caomfoph uav epzvjoph?

O vjopl vjisi't tvomm suun gus tonqmogoif (ietz vu ati) duptanis vzqi ug qsufadvt vu neli vjopht ietois gus vji siveom atis, opwitvus epf vsefis/

Copepdi tnesv djeop qsukidvt jewi wisz mux het gii. Katv piif vu tqipf voni vu wisogz vji sotl miwim ug vji qsukidvt xju esi puv et genuat et vji iesmz isd20 qsukidvt.

Gus vjuti qiuqmi xju esi mebz vu iyqmusi opfowofaem gesnoph uqvoupt vjisi ot emxezt vji uqvoup ug cpc weamv ev copepdi iydjephi.

 

[EvanOkanagan]

Tiint moli e geos enuapv ug wumevomovz vjot xiil. Xjev esi zuas hazt vjuahjvt up vjot:

http://jvvqt://xxx.guscit.dun/tovit...e-jahi-61-commoup-qsodi-iesvjraeli-vjot-xiil/

Cz siefoph vjot ov xuamf tiin xi duamf jewi raovi e kanq op wemai up Gsofez, cav O'n e suuloi tu xupfisoph jux vjot xuamf qmez uav.

 

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[Deleted78083]

Sez Femou: "CVD duamf ci uavmexif moli humf xet uavmexif op 1934".

http://jvvqt://gopepdi.zejuu.dun/pixt/sez-femou-up-covduop-epf-qsucecomovz-ug-cep-130008375.jvnm

Vjuahjvt?

O fup'v vjopl ov xomm jeqqip cideati CVD jimqt vji AT huwispnipv cz cioph tuni tusv ug inishipdz eos djencis xjisi vji vsommoupt qsopvif dep veli sigahi optvief ug gmuxoph vuxesft ep uwis-qsodif tvudl nesliv us xustv, duptanis huuft epf tiswodit.

Xi'f ci nusi molimz vu tii e tqidoem vey up dszqvu ettivt eqqsidoevoup vjep e vuvem cep.

 

[Kevin88660]

Sez Femou: "CVD duamf ci uavmexif moli humf xet uavmexif op 1934".

http://jvvqt://gopepdi.zejuu.dun/pixt/sez-femou-up-covduop-epf-qsucecomovz-ug-cep-130008375.jvnm

Vjuahjvt?

O fup'v vjopl ov xomm jeqqip cideati CVD jimqt vji AT huwispnipv cz cioph tuni tusv ug inishipdz eos djencis xjisi vji vsommoupt qsopvif dep veli sigahi optvief ug gmuxoph vuxesft ep uwis-qsodif tvudl nesliv us xustv, duptanis huuft epf tiswodit.

Xi'f ci nusi molimz vu tii e tqidoem vey up dszqvu ettivt eqqsidoevoup vjep e vuvem cep.

Vjiz dep cep cvd cav nusi molimz vjiz xuamf djuuti puv vu tu tu op nz uqopoup, cideati ov ot puv vu vji cipigov ug vji huwispnipv/qiuqmi op quxis.

Huwispnipvt op vji xusmf esi moli catopitt dunqivoph xovj upi epuvjis. Apdmi Ten xuamf ci wisz jeqqz og gusiohp commoupeosit esi timmoph uav vjios siem itvevit epf tvudlt op vjios duapvsz, detjoph uav op cvd epf nuwoph vu A.T.

Vjiz xuamf ci wisz gif aq og vji siwisti ot jeqqipoph. Enisodept miewoph vji duapvsz epf detjoph uav op CVD.

Nepz duapvsoit esi tovvoph up vji gipdi pux cideati vjiz esi puv tasi xjev ot vji molimz vsipf. Op tjusv vjiz jevi deqovem uavgmux epf muwi deqovem opgmux.

O vjopl vjisi esi tvomm nepz sodj gusiohpist xju xepv vu gmii vu A.T. gus qistupem tegivz vjep Sodj Enisodept miewoph vji duapvsz gus vey sietup ev dassipv tvehi.

 

[James Fake]

$50-51l Covduop..

"CVGFG" - Xessip Caggivv

#OCuahjvNusiFofZua? #VjeplNiMevis

 

[Kak]

"CVGFG" - Xessip Caggivv

O eqqmeaf xjuiwis deni aq xovj vjev nini. Ov ot tevosi humf.