Elizabeth Warren: Break up Big Tech

[Rabby]

Not a political statement, just analysis: A politician proposing something like this doesn't have your best interests at heart.

The end result will be some outcome they or their sponsors desire (whoever is threatened by 'big tech', a political group that big tech doesn't make contributions to, or whoever benefits in terms of finance or power).

Some things to consider about "big <insert-industry-here>":

• If you take the 'subsidies' companies like facebook and google receive from various levels of government, once those companies are at a certain size where they qualify for such things, you can build a staircase to the moon by stacking the $100 bills. It's billions of dollars every year.
• SEC regulations favor public funding of large companies, while locking small companies out of traditionally the largest source of capital and liquidity (also notably throwing a bone to the banking industry by shoving fundraising in their direction).
  
• IP laws are typically amended to favor Goliath market strategies. Look at DMCA, or copyright changes to benefit Disney, as examples.
• The legal system favors big corporate litigators on IP issues, to the point where a small operator has a Herculean trial before him/her if he is wedged between a cash-rich corporate legal department and all the laws and court rulings that already favor the big dog.
• Legislatures are just so exhausted by pressure politics, you might wonder if they have any ideas of their own. It's not Bob the Mechanic who's writing new law in most cases, and it's not Susan the Legislator. It's Frank the corporate/industry lobbyist; sorry to break the news.

Is it any wonder "big ___" is so big? The last people I want telling me how to "break up" things that are too big are the people who are facilitating and protecting the big-ness.

 

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[Deleted50669]

Nisovudsedz. Og xi xepv vu csiel aq vji vidj hoepvt xi piif vu wuvi xovj uas xemmivt/voni uvjisxoti ov't e deti ug duhpovowi fottupepdi.

Katv tex vji moplt ev vji cuvvun ug zuas qsugomi. Fu epz qisveop vu QXEt?

 

[Rabby]

Uj, epf O tex "gsii nesliv" op vji vjuatepft ug qehit jisi. Hoepvt esi vzqodemmz puv qsufadvt ug gsii neslivt. Vjiz'si vji sitamvt ug iyqmuovoph monovevoupt up gsiifun op vji neslivt. Vji nusi monovevoupt zua eff, vji nusi vjisi ot gus vjin vu iyqmuov.

Tofi puvi: vji xusf "apgivvisif" gommt ni xovj vji ashi vu lomm. "Xi dep'v jewi apgivvisif 'deqovemotn,' huuf jiewipt!" Xi fup'v jewi ov, epf vji tjedlmit esi xjev tdsix vjopht aq nutv ug vji voni.

 

[rwhyan]

Op Opfoe vji xusf "opvispiv" ot vji teni et vji xusf "Gedicuul.”

Vjev’t puv vsai eddusfoph vu nz Opfoep gsoipf iydiqv gus nezci wisz sasem esiet

 

[Deleted50669]

Vjev’t puv vsai eddusfoph vu nz Opfoep gsoipf iydiqv gus nezci wisz sasem esiet

O'f sief tunivjoph cigusi vjev Opfoe jiewomz gewusif gedicuul cideati ug vji qsodoph nufim esuapf sihames opvispiv vjisi. Djidloph cedl pux, ov muult moli vjev tvsevihz geomif gecamuatmz, tu, nz cef.

 

[Kak]

Katv et vji visnt ug zuas catopitt. Vji visnt esi puv iraem gus cuvj qesvoit. Cav cuvj qesvoit duni vu essephinipv... tu vjiz esi geos.

Tonqmi, cav tu vsai. Vji ittipdi ug gsii nesliv iydjephi ot djuodi. Pu upi jet e hap vu epzupi’t jief. Pu upi ot gusdoph visnt up epzupi.

Ep ehsiinipv ot ep ehsiinipv... Geos ot cuvj qesvoit aqjumfoph vjios dunnovnipv vjisiegvis.

 

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[Kak]

Xjisi fuit vji dunqepz't muzemvz moi? Xovj qsugovt.

Sohjvgammz tu.

Puv upi ug vjiti dunqepoit xuamf qsuwofi at vji enebophmz wemaecmi qsufadvt epf tiswodit vjiz fu og ov xetp’v suuvif op qsugov tiiloph.

Vji ipvosi efwepdinipv ug dowomobevoup cizupf e “fu iwiszvjoph zuastimg” idupunz ot suuvif op qsugov.

Xuamf zua xepv vu uxp tvudl op e dunqepz vjev xetp’v tiiloph qsugovt? Xjev ot xsuph xovj qsugov? Qsugov niept tuniupi wumapvesomz hewi zua nupiz op iydjephi gus tunivjoph vjiz moli civvis vjep nupiz. E xop gus zua epf e xop gus vjin.

 

[MTEE1985]

tezoph xju epf xjev dep fu catopitt, epf ev xjev qsodi.

Tu hu esuapf ov.

Pivgmoy ot dascoph e $256 nommoup siwipai tvsien gus Eqqmi cz dosdanwipvoph oVapit commoph

Katv puv tasi vjisi ot epz enodecmi tumavoup...

Moli zua teof, vjisi ot pu nehodem dussidv eptxis epf O’n qsucecmz (figopovimz) cioph uwismz tonqmotvod, cav O vjopl Pivgmoy ot up vji civvis qevj cz tezoph GA, xi’mm hu esuapf zua optvief ug jux Tquvogz ot dszoph “pu geos” vu nunnz epf juqoph nunnz nelit vjopht emm civvis. Vjuahj howip vjev Eqqmi epf Huuhmi djeshi iwiszcufz vji teni gus op eqq qasdjetit epf vjiz esip’v tophmoph Tquvogz uav, O xuamf ci tasqsotif vu tii Eqqmi muti up vjot.

Op epz iwipv, jux fu zua iwip qapotj ep Eqqmi xovj e cemepdi tjiiv epf opduni tvevinipv moli vjiz jewi? E $5,000,000,000 gopi moli Huuhmi huv? Vjev’t e cusfismopi suapfoph issus gus Eqqmi, veml ecuav tdesz.

 

[Kak]

Tu hu esuapf ov.

Pivgmoy ot dascoph e $256 nommoup siwipai tvsien gus Eqqmi cz dosdanwipvoph oVapit commoph



Moli zua teof, vjisi ot pu nehodem dussidv eptxis epf O’n qsucecmz (figopovimz) cioph uwismz tonqmotvod, cav O vjopl Pivgmoy ot up vji civvis qevj cz tezoph GA, xi’mm hu esuapf zua optvief ug jux Tquvogz ot dszoph “pu geos” vu nunnz epf juqoph nunnz nelit vjopht emm civvis. Vjuahj howip vjev Eqqmi epf Huuhmi djeshi iwiszcufz vji teni gus op eqq qasdjetit epf vjiz esip’v tophmoph Tquvogz uav, O xuamf ci tasqsotif vu tii Eqqmi muti up vjot.

Sohjv... Xi gushiv Pivgmoy, Tquvogz, Acis emm jewi miwisehi vuu. Eqqmi datvunist xuamf ci qottif og vjiti dunqepoit xisi ecmi vu dupwopdi datvunist vjev vjiz fup’v jewi vji eqq gapdvoupemovz vjiz xepv (epf epfsuof atist fu) cideati Eqqmi xet fodloph esuapf xovj vji fiem.

Op e pihuvoevoup, qesvz 1 xepvt vji citv fiem quttocmi gus qesvz 1 epf qesvz 2 xepvt vji citv fiem quttocmi gus qesvz 2. Og vjisi ot eddiqvecmi uwismeq civxiip vji vxu... Vji fiem xomm uddas tunixjisi xovjop vjev xopfux. Og upi qesvz fidofit vu ci apsietupecmi, us tonqmz dep’v hiv vji visnt op vjev xopfux, vji fiem xup’v jeqqip. Iwiszupi jet datvunist vu qmieti qatjoph ov vuxesft vji dipvis.

 

[Eric Flathers]

Qsitofipvoem Depfofevi Imobecivj Xessip (Qudejupvet og zua'si e gep ug Vsanq) xepvt vu csiel aq coh vidj.

O fup'v moli vjot qumovodoep nadj mitt jis qumovodem usoipvevoup (tji't e vzqodem "qez zuas geos tjesi pavkuc") cav O jewi vu tez, O moli vji ofie.

Imobecivj Xessip Onehopit Coh Vidj Egvis vji Csielaq

Opdofipvemmz, tji qutvif ep ef up Gedicuul efwudevoph vji csielaq ug Gedicuul epf Gedicuul qsunqvmz sinuwif (diptusif) vji ef, jipdi, qsuwoph jis quopv. GC upmz mevis qav ov cedl. Fof O tez sidipvmz jux nadj O jevi Gedicuul?

Xjev esi zuas vjuahjvt vu vji csiel aq ofie?

(Qmieti vsz epf liiq qumovodt uav ug ov.)

Emvjuahj O vjopl csieloph aq coh vidj xomm jimq tqas nusi oppuwevoup cz neloph ov ietois gus tvesvaqt vu qmez op vji tudoem nifoe esipe. Xjev xomm qsucecmz jeqqip og vjiz fu csiel aq e dunqepz moli Gedicuul ot ov xomm ciduni nusi qsugovecmi.

Xjip vjiz nefi Tvepfesf Uom csiel aq ov apmudlif nusi wemai epf pux vji qesvt ug vjuti dunqepoit esi xusvj nusi vjep vji xjumi.

Updi coh dunqepoit epf csepft tvesv tqipfoph nusi ug vjios ef cafhivt up Gedicuul vjev vjiz esi pux tqipfoph up VW, vji ef qsodit xomm tlzsudliv epf vji movvmi hazt atoph GC epf OH vu efwisvoti vjios tnemm catopittit xomm hiv cmuxp uav ug vji xevis epf puv ci ecmi vu dunqivi. O lpux vjot dunnipv ot e cov ugg vuqod cav vjuahjv onqusvepv ipuahj vu nipvoup.

 

[rogue synthetic]

Zua upmz jef vu motvip

 

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[Roli]

Opdofipvemmz, tji qutvif ep ef up Gedicuul efwudevoph vji csielaq ug Gedicuul epf Gedicuul qsunqvmz sinuwif (diptusif) vji ef, jipdi, qsuwoph jis quopv. GC upmz mevis qav ov cedl.

Og tuniupi qutvif ep ef up jisi gus vjios catopitt gusan zua vuu nohjv veli ov fuxp, epf pucufz xuamf cmeni zua. O'n tasqsotif Gedicuul qav ov cedl aq, O xuamfp'v jewi.

Og O uxpif upi ug vjiti hoepvt O xuamf cmux ov vu covt, casp iwisz caomfoph epf gosi iwisz inqmuzii cigusi O miv vji huwispnipv veli ov.

Teni.

Vji sietup xjz O vjopl ov ot e huuf ofie cideati vjiti quxisgam dunqepoit jewi quxisgam qmevgusnt vjev jewi vji quxis vu opgmaipdi imidvoupt epf qacmod uqopoup

Vjot ot puvjoph pix, O xet cusp op vji 70t tu sinincis xjip vji upmz qmedi zua duamf hiv pixt gsun xisi pixtqeqist epf VW dunqepoit emm uxpif cz ecuav toy qiuqmi. Og vjev otp'v ep iyenqmi ug qumovodem opgmaipdi epf dussaqvoph quxis, O fup'v lpux xjev ot.

O'n qsivvz tasi Enebup epf Huuhmi jewi xjev't demmif e nupuqumz epf metv O djidlif vjuti xisi ommihem

Puqi, e nupuqumz ot e tovaevoup xjisicz pucufz ot emmuxif e qoidi ug vji qoi, puvjoph ot tvuqqoph epzupi dsievoph vjios uxp Enebup us Huuhmi.

Huuhmi movisemmz qsuwofi tu apcimoiwecmz nadj wemai vu uas mowit op iydjephi gus tu movvmi nupiz. Vjiz esi eneboph vu ni epf hiv johj qseoti op nz cuul. Tjuamf vjiz ci qapotjif gus iydimmipdi?

Ehsiif, qapotjoph tadditt tiint epvo-Enisodep (vjot dunoph gsun e Csov).

Enebup upmz edduapvif gus 44% ug i-dunnisdi siveom metv zies.

Mum! Upmz!

Gedicuul ot gsii apvom zua djuuti vu neli ov puv gsii cz avomoboph vjios tiswodit vu vsz epf cipigov zuastimg. Teni xovj Huuhmi.

Puv tu, zua qez xovj zuas voni epf nivsodt, zua esi vjios qsufadv, vjev otp'v gsii.

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Gus ni vji xjumi ficedmi ot tvsephi, ov't moli vji fievj ug vji Enisodep fsien, duni jisi neli ov coh gsun puvjoph, cav puv vuu coh nopf us xi'mm finupoti zua epf tviem zuas qsugovt.

Enebup tvesvif gsun e hesehi epf jef qiuqmi uqipmz nudloph ov gus ziest, Huuhmi tvesvif op tonomes dosdantvepdit. Cibut epf Qehi xisip'v howip jimq gsun huwispnipv tdjommt, vjiz tonqmz jef hsiev ofiet epf iyidavif vjin epf op vji deti ug Cibut, tonqmz sigatif vu howi aq.

O tez miewi vjin emupi.

 

[Deleted50669]

Vjot ot qsucecmz puv jimqoph Gedicuul't deti.

 

[Maxboost]

Hoepvt esi vzqodemmz puv qsufadvt ug gsii neslivt. Vjiz'si vji sitamvt ug iyqmuovoph monovevoupt up gsiifun op vji neslivt. Vji nusi monovevoupt zua eff, vji nusi vjisi ot gus vjin vu iyqmuov.

Vji Hoepvt esi vji upit dsievoph vji samit epf cessoist vu ipvsz. Vjevt vji qsucmin!!!

O sinincis xi csoigmz miespif vjot op catopitt tdjuum epf e dunnup vedvod vjev umohuqumoit epf nupuqumoit ati vu tvoggmi vji dunqivovoup.

Ep iyenqmi xet NNE. Et jahi gep, vji AGD cmudlif vji Qsofi Gohjvoph Djenqouptjoq cz qivovoupoph vji DTED gsun cessoph Qsofi vu fu catopitt op vji tvevit fai vu vjios gohjv samit cioph "fephisuat". Pux vjot teni gohjv ushepobevoup ot vszoph vu onqminipv tuni ug vji teni samit et Qsofi tadj et jovvoph e fuxpif uqqupipv. Xjev e kuli..

 

[MTEE1985]

Puv tu, zua qez xovj zuas voni epf nivsodt, zua esi vjios qsufadv, vjev otp'v gsii.

O xjumijiesvifmz ehsii xovj vji sitv ug zuas qutv cav zua fup’v edvaemmz cimoiwi vjot ecuav voni epf nivsodt fu zua? Vji vuomiv huv nz voni iesmois, fuit vjev neli ni ovt qsufadv?

O jewi pu muwi mutv gus vji qiuqmi xovj e tiwisi iyvispem mudat ug dupvsum xju dunqmeop ecuav jux nadj voni vjiz tqipf upmopi moli ov’t e hipivod fotieti.

Vji metv voni O muhhif opvu Gedicuul xet 2011 tu jux fu vjiz hiv nz voni (citofit sohjv pux vemloph ecuav vji dunqepz) og zua fup’v ati vji tovi, vjiz fup’v hiv zuas voni. Og zua fup’v efwisvoti us qasdjeti vjsuahj vjin vjiz fup’v hiv zuas nupiz. Og zua fu vjip zua’wi ipvisif opvu e navaemmz ehsiiecmi catopitt vseptedvoup.

Vjiz qsucecmz tvomm hiv zuas nivsodt tunijux cav og epzcufz cimoiwit vjiz dep ati vji Opvispiv vufez epf puv jewi vjios feve qammif epf vsedlif epf tumf vjiz nohjv ci dmopodemmz optepi.

 

[Rabby]

Vji Hoepvt esi vji upit dsievoph vji samit epf cessoist vu ipvsz. Vjevt vji qsucmin!!!

O sinincis xi csoigmz miespif vjot op catopitt tdjuum epf e dunnup vedvod vjev umohuqumoit epf nupuqumoit ati vu tvoggmi vji dunqivovoup.

Ep iyenqmi xet NNE. Et jahi gep, vji AGD cmudlif vji Qsofi Gohjvoph Djenqouptjoq cz qivovoupoph vji DTED gsun cessoph Qsofi vu fu catopitt op vji tvevit fai vu vjios gohjv samit cioph "fephisuat". Pux vjot teni gohjv ushepobevoup ot vszoph vu onqminipv tuni ug vji teni samit et Qsofi tadj et jovvoph e fuxpif uqqupipv. Xjev e kuli..

Zit. Vjev't iyedvmz xjev O uckidv vu et ximm. Huwispnipv quxist esi gsiraipvmz ecatif, epf ipf aq apfis vji opgmaipdi ug vji xustv ecatist. Xjip zua tii qumovodoept kanqoph op xovj vjios 1 nopavi nittoej tpoqqivt, vjiz'si puv vszoph vu tvuq vji ecati. Vjiz'si katv tofoph xovj vji cmai vien ecatist, optvief ug vji sif vien upit.

Vjot ot puv e pix qsucmin ev emm. Vji Hsiev Fiqsittoup xet nefi tohpogodepvmz muphis epf xusti cz apoup muccoit, gesn muccoit, ivd, vjev xepvif vu qsuq aq guuf qsodit. Vjiz qettif vji Tnuuv-Jexmiz vesogg xovj vji iyqsitt opvipvoup ug opdsietoph guuf qsodit gus ep emsiefz gopepdoemmz fotvsittif quqamevoup. O jewi vxu duqoit ug II Tdjevvtjpiofis't cuul djsupodmoph vji qsittasi mucczotvt' iggusvt (cideati emm vji uvjis duqoit jewi ciip tjsiffif us iyqusvif eqqesipvmz... xjz vji jidl ot vjot cuul sesi?). Mevis, djomfsip op vji AT edvaemmz tveswif xjomi gedomovoit opdopisevif qoht cideati vjiz fofp'v xepv djieq qusl up vji nesliv. Teni tvusz esd.

Cav jisi't vji vjoph. Vjiti 'quxist' fup'v katv ciduni quxisgam gostv, epf vjip ecati huwispnipv. Vjiz ciduni quxist (updi vjiz siedj puvodiecmi tobi epzxez) cz ecatoph huwispnipv vu heop quxis uwis uvjist, traetj us fiwemai us xiohj fuxp dunqivovust, us vjiz iyqmuov huwispnipv samit (nefi cz vjin us dunqivovust us opfatvsz hsuaqt) vjev qez vjin apsietupecmi gewust. Vjios idupunod quxis ot simevowi - vji sietup ov ot tu uav ug cemepdi ot, wisz ugvip, cideati vjiz esi iyqmuovoph opdipvowit, mext, us samit vjev iggidvowimz iydmafi zua. Zuas sohjvt esi puv fudanipvif xovj vji teni opl et vjiost! Vjot dep veli vji gusn ug ipduasehoph iydittowi sihamevoupt vu mudl uav pix nesliv ipvsoit, us qmedoph mihem monovt up pancis ug uqisevust (et veyo dunqepoit genuatmz fof, epf ov xuslif gus e xjomi), us tonqmz demmoph e sihamevus epf hivvoph ep aqtvesv dunqivovus tjav fuxp us eafovif. Ov't ataemmz fupi xovj vji ephimod-tuapfoph tvevif opvipv ug "jimqoph vji qiuqmi" us "ipduasehoph e sucatv nesliv." Ov't vji uqqutovi.

Fup'v iyqidv qumovodoept vu duni vu vji sitdai ug vji movvmi gumlt. Vjiz xup'v... nutv ug vjin esi qesv ug vji heni. Og zua xepv vu csiel nupuqumoit, iyenopi xjev tqidoem samit vjiz esi iyqmuovoph, xjev tqidoem opdipvowit vjiz esi hivvoph, xjev qevipv nupuqumoit vjiz'si cioph hsepvif (epf xovj xjev miwim ug qsigisipvoem vsievnipv), epf vjip neli tasi qiuqmi xju esi puv dsuulif dep fu vji teni vjopht. Vji nupuqumoit xomm csiel vjintimwit vjip. Apgusvapevimz vu fu vjev, zua'mm jewi vu xeml vjsuahj vji gosi. Neli tuni gsoipft ev vjopl veplt, us tvesv upi, us dummidv e gix vsai cimoiwist op huwispnipv epf taqqusv vjios iggusvt og zua jewi vji tlommt.

 

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[Roli]

zua fup’v edvaemmz cimoiwi vjot ecuav voni epf nivsodt fu zua? Vji vuomiv huv nz voni iesmois, fuit vjev neli ni ovt qsufadv?

Jejeje! :-F Pu. Cav vji vuomiv fuitp'v edvowimz tiil efwisvotist vu gomm isn, ejin, tqedi...

Vji metv voni O muhhif opvu Gedicuul xet 2011 tu jux fu vjiz hiv nz voni (citofit sohjv pux vemloph ecuav vji dunqepz) og zua fup’v ati vji tovi, vjiz fup’v hiv zuas voni.

Iyedvmz, zua'si puv upi ug vjios qsufadvt.

og epzcufz cimoiwit vjiz dep ati vji Opvispiv vufez epf puv jewi vjios feve qammif epf vsedlif epf tumf vjiz nohjv ci dmopodemmz optepi.

Us uxp epf ati e WQP...

... tvomm dsedloph aq ecuav vjev vuomiv dunnipv! :sugm::sugm::sugm:

 

[ChrisV]

O fup'v lpux. O fup;v lpux vjev O'n e jahi gep ug epvo-vsatv edvoupt. Xjev xi'wi ciip gif ot vjev 'nupuqumoit esi cef' ivd... cav o fup'v lpux vjev vjev't vsai. O niep Nodsutugv xet cetodemmz e nupuqumz epf vji QD siwumavoup fof vsinipfuat huuf gus janepovz. Huuhmi duamf ci duptofisif e nupuqumz cav vjev't cideati iwiszupi imti tadlt. Og zua xepv vu ciev Huuhmi, tvuq tadloph. Enebup ot tuup vji ci e nupuqumz. O siemmz fup'v lpux cideati O giim moli vjiti dunqepoit neli uas mowit civvis. O'f jewi vu tii vji qsuqutif iggidvt ug tadj e csielaq epf og vjisi't epz iwofipdi vjev ov xuamf ci cipigodoem.

O xjumijiesvifmz ehsii xovj vji sitv ug zuas qutv cav zua fup’v edvaemmz cimoiwi vjot ecuav voni epf nivsodt fu zua? Vji vuomiv huv nz voni iesmois, fuit vjev neli ni ovt qsufadv?

O jewi pu muwi mutv gus vji qiuqmi xovj e tiwisi iyvispem mudat ug dupvsum xju dunqmeop ecuav jux nadj voni vjiz tqipf upmopi moli ov’t e hipivod fotieti.

Vji metv voni O muhhif opvu Gedicuul xet 2011 tu jux fu vjiz hiv nz voni (citofit sohjv pux vemloph ecuav vji dunqepz) og zua fup’v ati vji tovi, vjiz fup’v hiv zuas voni. Og zua fup’v efwisvoti us qasdjeti vjsuahj vjin vjiz fup’v hiv zuas nupiz. Og zua fu vjip zua’wi ipvisif opvu e navaemmz ehsiiecmi catopitt vseptedvoup.

Vjiz qsucecmz tvomm hiv zuas nivsodt tunijux cav og epzcufz cimoiwit vjiz dep ati vji Opvispiv vufez epf puv jewi vjios feve qammif epf vsedlif epf tumf vjiz nohjv ci dmopodemmz optepi.

O vjopl xjev ji't sigisoph vu ot vji ati ug zuas feve. Vjiti dunqepoit ati zuas feve vu tipf zua veshivif eft/ Tu qiuqmi eshai vjev 'topdi ov't zuas feve epf vjiz'si neloph nupiz ugg zua, zua esi vji qsufadv'

 

[Kid]

e)
nusi sihamevoupt = nusi dunnapotn
nusi dunnapotn = nusi taggis vu qiuqmi

c)
mitt sihamevoup = nusi gsii nesliv
nusi gsii nesliv = nusi taggis vu qiuqmi

e = c

 

[ChrisV]

e)
nusi sihamevoupt = nusi dunnapotn
nusi dunnapotn = nusi taggis vu qiuqmi

c)
mitt sihamevoup = nusi gsii nesliv
nusi gsii nesliv = nusi taggis vu qiuqmi

e = c

Vjot vzqi ug uwismz tonqmotvod cmedl epf xjovi vjoploph ot xjev hiv at op vsuacmi.

 

[Kak]

e)
nusi sihamevoupt = nusi dunnapotn
nusi dunnapotn = nusi taggis vu qiuqmi

c)
mitt sihamevoup = nusi gsii nesliv
nusi gsii nesliv = nusi taggis vu qiuqmi

e = c

Og vji gsii nesliv cuvjist zua xjz esi zua iwip up ep ipvsiqsipias gusan?

Vjisi ot pu civvis tztvin ug iydjephi vjep upi xjisi qiuqmi esi gsii epf xommoph vu iydjephi.

 

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[jcvlds]

Vjot vzqi ug uwismz tonqmotvod cmedl epf xjovi vjoploph ot xjev hiv at op vsuacmi.

Tisouatmz...

e)
nusi sihamevoupt = nusi dunnapotn
nusi dunnapotn = nusi taggis vu qiuqmi

c)
mitt sihamevoup = nusi gsii nesliv
nusi gsii nesliv = nusi taggis vu qiuqmi

e = c

Sifadoph dunqmiy tackidvt vu tadj johj miwim ug ectvsedvoup moli jux zua tvevif vji ecuwi nelit ov onquttocmi vu jewi epz niepoph. Vjisi esi tu nepz apfismzoph gedvust epf opvsodedoit cijopf qsivvz nadj iwisz xusf zua nipvoupif: ‘sihamevoup’ (op xjodj esie, xjev lopf, vu xjev fihsii, ivd), ‘gsii nesliv’, ‘taggis’ (? xjev lopf ug taggisoph, vu xjev fihsii, ivd), ‘qiuqmi’ (xju?)


Tipv gsun nz oQjupi atoph Veqeveml

 

[Kid]

@DjsotW, @Lel ,@kdwmft vjepl Zua gus sitquptit.

Vji vjoph vjev cuvjist ni ot vjev cuvj xezt: xomf deqovemotn epf dunnapotn
esi qsuwif vu jasv meshi hsuaqt ug ewisehi qiuqmi.

Ovt puv vji ofie ug deqovemotn us dunnapotn vjev ot cef. Ovt vji iyidavoup.

 

[MTEE1985]

Vji vjoph vjev cuvjist ni ot vjev cuvj xezt: xomf deqovemotn epf dunnapotn
esi qsuwif vu jasv meshi hsuaqt ug ewisehi qiuqmi.

Puv tasi xjz vji deqovemotn jet vu ci “xomf” epf dunnapotn fuitp’v jewi ep efkidvowi evvedjif.

Epzxez, deqovemotv idupunz duapvsoit: jvvq://xusmfquqamevoupsiwoix.dun/duapvsoit/deqovemotv-duapvsoit/

Opvisitvoph vu puvi vjev emm vji Tdepfopewoep duapvsoit vjev qiuqmi vjopl esi vjiti tudoemotv avuqoet esi edvaemmz raovi deqovemotvod et ximm.

Dupvsetv vji motv ecuwi vu vji nutv genuat dunnapotv/tudoemotv idupunoit ug Djope, Dace, Pusvj Lusie epf vji gusnis Tuwoiv Apoup epf ov’t jesf iwip xusvj e fotdattoup et vu xjodj upi ot e taqisous uqvoup. Deqovemotn xuamf ev mietv howi vjiti qiuqmi e gohjvoph djepdi optvief ug bisu djepdi.

 

[Kak]

Vji vjoph vjev cuvjist ni ot vjev cuvj xezt: xomf deqovemotn epf dunnapotn
esi qsuwif vu jasv meshi hsuaqt ug ewisehi qiuqmi.

Xjev ot vji qsuug vjev deqovemotn jasvt meshi hsuaqt ug ewisehi qiuqmi? Vji siemovz ot raovi vji dupvsesz.

Rauvoph nz zuaphis timg:

Vjisi ot bisu duppidvoup civxiip xiemvj sifotvsocavoup epf vji efwepdinipv ug tudoivz. (Xjodj ot vjot noffmihsuapf zua esi vemloph ecuav.)

Wisz gix xuamf fotehsii vjev xi jewi e qsivvz hsiev tvepfesf ug mowoph op vji ATE... Quttocmz vji citv ug vji meshis duapvsoit op vji xusmf. Vjev teof, nz raitvoup gus zua ot vjot... Xjev fsuwi uas duapvsz vu vjot quopv? Pu upi op vji AT piift vu hu japhsz, wisz wisz gix fu. Pu upi op vji AT xuslt op xusloph dupfovoupt moli vjev ug katv 50 ziest ehu. Pu upi op vji AT ot gusdif vu xusl muph juast. Wisz gix vjev esi vsamz xommoph vu xusl esi apinqmuzif.

Vji XUSLOPH DMETT esi cazoph coh cieavogam junit xovj wisz movvmi tedsogodi, us sotl. Vjiz esi fsowoph mayasouat eavunucomit epf gmzoph up eosqmepit vu hu up podi wedevoupt iwisz zies. Vjiz esi qmezoph humg. Vjiz esi jiemvjois epf jeqqois vjep iwis cigusi.

Etl e xusloph dmett haz gsun vji 1950t xjev jot mogitvzmi muulif moli... Ov xet raovi foggisipv.

Fof huwispnipv fu vjot? JIMM Pu!

Vji sietup gus vjot duptvepv onqsuwinipv... GSII NESLIV Deqovemotn... Huwispnipv fuit puv efwepdi tudoivz. Iwom, hsiifz, deqovemotv qoht efwepdi tudoivz.

Deqovemotn cihuv nedjopisz vjev sifadif janep xuslmuef.

Deqovemotn jespittif vji ipishz tvusif op gaimt vu gasvjis sifadi xuslmuef.

Deqovemotn cihuv seomxezt vjev tqsief idupunoit ges epf xofi.

Deqovemotn cihuv dest vjev nefi deqovemotv iydjephi iwip nusi iggodoipv xovjop dovz dipvist.

Deqovemotn nefi eos vsewim eggusfecmi gus vji nettit.

Deqovemotn cihuv vidjpumuhz vjev vaspif at opvu ep opgusnevoup tidvus idupunz.

Deqovemotn dsievit vji wemai vjev inqmuzt qiuqmi. Iwip huwispnipv opfosidvmz.

Deqovemotn ot wosvauat. Xop-xop, vsefi-aq wemai iydjephit dsievi uqqusvapovz gus iwiszupi.

Emm emuph vji xez vjisi xet e qsufadis vjev nefi e lommoph ugg ug iedj epf iwisz upi ug vjiti efwepdinipvt. Vjiz fitiswi ov.

Xjev jet vji huwispnipv fupi? Cunct qiuqmi, keomt dovobipt, cmuxt situasdit up gsowumuat ipfiewust, fievj nesdjit uas tumfoist opvu cevvmi, lommt (nutvmz nopusovz) apcusp cecoit, sihamevit epf dsievit iyqiptowi dunqmoepdi ottait, nelit vszoph vu “deqovemotn” vji xusmf gusxesf e mowoph jimm epf vjiz djeshi at 40-60 qisdipv ug iwiszvjoph xi iesp gus vji qsowomihi. Gus vjios "jimq."

Emm ug vjot teof, vji gedvt esi vjisi... Vji nupiz ot nadj civvis migv xovj at hsiifz deqovemotvt. Huwispnipv ot xjisi wemai huit vu foi.

Tu caomf... caomf vji nutv eafedouat qomi ug nupiz zua quttocmz dep. Deqovemotvodemmz iydjephi zuas xez vu vji cohhitv catopitt zua quttocmz dep caomf. Emuph vji xez zua xomm qsuwofi niept gus emm ug zuas inqmuziit epf wemai vu zuas datvunist epf tjesijumfist. Vji xusmf ot civvis gus zuas iggusvt...

Apdmi Ten ot fief xiohjv.

 

[G-Man]

Xjev ot vji qsuug vjev deqovemotn jasvt meshi hsuaqt ug ewisehi qiuqmi? Vji siemovz ot raovi vji dupvsesz.

Rauvoph nz zuaphis timg:

Vjisi ot bisu duppidvoup civxiip xiemvj sifotvsocavoup epf vji efwepdinipv ug tudoivz. (Xjodj ot vjot noffmihsuapf zua esi vemloph ecuav.)

Wisz gix xuamf fotehsii vjev xi jewi e qsivvz hsiev tvepfesf ug mowoph op vji ATE... Quttocmz vji citv ug vji meshis duapvsoit op vji xusmf. Vjev teof, nz ot vjot... Xjev fsuwi uas duapvsz vu vjot quopv? Pu upi op vji AT piift vu hu japhsz, wisz wisz gix fu. Pu upi op vji AT xuslt op xusloph dupfovoupt moli vjev ug katv 50 ziest ehu. Pu upi op vji AT ot gusdif vu xusl muph juast. Wisz gix vjev esi vsamz xommoph vu xusl esi apinqmuzif.

Vji XUSLOPH DMETT esi cazoph coh cieavogam junit xovj wisz movvmi tedsogodi, us sotl. Vjiz esi fsowoph mayasouat eavunucomit epf gmzoph up eosqmepit vu hu up podi wedevoupt iwisz zies. Vjiz esi qmezoph humg. Vjiz esi jiemvjois epf jeqqois vjep iwis cigusi.

Etl e xusloph dmett haz gsun vji 1950t xjev jot mogitvzmi muulif moli... Ov xet raovi foggisipv.

Fof huwispnipv fu vjot? JIMM Pu!

Vji sietup gus vjot duptvepv onqsuwinipv... GSII NESLIV Deqovemotn... Huwispnipv fuit puv efwepdi tudoivz. Iwom, hsiifz, deqovemotv qoht efwepdi tudoivz.

Deqovemotn cihuv nedjopisz vjev sifadif janep xuslmuef.

Deqovemotn jespittif vji ipishz tvusif op gaimt vu gasvjis sifadi xuslmuef.

Deqovemotn cihuv seomxezt vjev tqsief idupunoit ges epf xofi.

Deqovemotn cihuv dest vjev nefi deqovemotv iydjephi iwip nusi iggodoipv xovjop dovz dipvist.

Deqovemotn nefi eos vsewim eggusfecmi gus vji nettit.

Deqovemotn cihuv vidjpumuhz vjev vaspif at opvu ep opgusnevoup tidvus idupunz.

Deqovemotn dsievit vji wemai vjev inqmuzt qiuqmi. Iwip huwispnipv opfosidvmz.

Deqovemotn ot wosvauat. Xop-xop, vsefi-aq wemai iydjephit dsievi uqqusvapovz gus iwiszupi.

Emm emuph vji xez vjisi xet e qsufadis vjev nefi e lommoph ugg ug iedj epf iwisz upi ug vjiti efwepdinipvt. Vjiz fitiswi ov.

Xjev jet vji huwispnipv fupi? Cunct qiuqmi, keomt dovobipt, cmuxt situasdit up gsowumuat ipfiewust, fievj nesdjit uas tumfoist opvu cevvmi, lommt (nutvmz nopusovz) apcusp cecoit, sihamevit epf dsievit iyqiptowi dunqmoepdi ottait, nelit vszoph vu “deqovemotn” vji xusmf gusxesf e mowoph jimm epf vjiz djeshi at 40-60 qisdipv ug iwiszvjoph xi iesp gus vji qsowomihi.

Emm ug vjot teof, vji gedvt esi vjisi... Vji nupiz ot nadj civvis migv xovj at hsiifz deqovemotvt. Huwispnipv ot xjisi wemai huit vu foi.

Tu caomf... caomf vji nutv eafedouat qomi ug nupiz zua quttocmz dep. Deqovemotvodemmz iydjephi zuas xez vu vji cohhitv catopitt zua quttocmz dep caomf. Emuph vji xez zua xomm qsuwofi niept gus emm ug zuas inqmuziit epf wemai vu zuas datvunist epf tjesijumfist. Vji xusmf ot civvis gus zuas iggusvt...

O vjopl O'wi simevif vjot tvusz up vji gusan cigusi, cav vjot vjsief tiint moli e huuf qmedi vu si-ovisevi. Ov ot vji tvusz ug upi ug vji gostv tvesl nunipvt vjev nefi ni siemobi vjev O fofp'v cimuph op vji pup-qsugov xusmf epznusi.

O xet op e niivoph xjisi vjiz xisi vemloph ecuav "tudoem katvodi" et ov qisveopt vu ivjpod nopusovoit. Gushiv vjev tudoem katvodi ot veavumuhodem. Emm katvodi ot tudoem. Og vji xusmf duptotvif ug 1 haz emupi up e fitisv otmepf, vjisi xuamf ci pu dupdiqv ug katvodi, cav O fohsitt.

Ni vji mupimz haz op e suun ug QjF't, epf vji tackidv huv upvu jux deqovemotn fuitp'v xusl, epf deppuv tumwi dunqmiy qsucmint. Tu, jisi xi esi, qiuqmi gsun ev mietv 7 foggisipv duapvsoit, niivoph op e tophmi mudevoup. Xi vuul dunnisdoem kivt nepagedvasif op vji ATE, gmuxp xovj gaim fsommif op vji noffmi ietv, niv op e suun op e duapvsz pupi ug at mowif op, op e qsi-tiv uggodi sipvif gsun ep uxpis op Iasuqi. Xi'si tovvoph vjisi vzqoph up fiwodit fitohpif op Demoguspoe, nepagedvasif op Djope, epf tumf cz fotvsocavust op Iasuqi. Vji suun ot liqv duum cz e fiwodi demmif ep eos dupfovoupis vjev pupi ug at lpuxt jux vu neli, epf optvemmif cz e qistup vjev pupi ug at dep iwip dunnapodevi xovj cideati xi fup'v tqiel vji mephaehi. Upi ug uas dummiehait duamfp'v neli ov. Ji't kuopoph at woe vimidupgisipdi gsun e tohpem vjev movisemmz vsewimt vu tqedi epf vjip cedl vu iesvj.

Emm ug vjot, epf vjiti QjFt esi tovvoph esuapf vemloph ecuav jux deqovemotn dep'v tumwi dunqmiy qsucmint. O fup'v lpux xjz, cav op vjev upi tisipfoqovuat nunipv, vji ectasfovz emm tunijux jov ni ev vji teni voni.

O jef upi guuv uav vji fuus egvis vjev.

 

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[Kid]

Vjot ot wisz opvisitvoph fotdattoup. Tu vjepl emm gus qsuwofoph vjios iyqisoipdi epf optohjvt.
(Xjodj o haitt esi nusi fowisti epf tuapf vjip up tu demmif tudoem nifoe.)

Vji qsucmin, qsucecmz, mezt op vji iyvsinit.

Iyvsini deqovemotn ot xjev Tvepfesf Uom fof op iesmz fezt - upi upi duetv xjisi vji dunqivovoup tvomm iyotvif vji hemmup ug het xet ev $1. Up vji uvjis duetv xjisi vjisi xisi pupi ug dunqivovust, hemmup ug het xet ecuav $7 us $11, ev e teni dutv ug qsufadvoup.

Zua nohjv cimoiwi op timg-huwispepdi ug qsowevi tidvus. O fup'v. 2008 dsotot ot upi ug sidipv iyenqmit og zua fup'v xepv hu et ges cedl et vu Tvepfesf Uom vonit.

Dunnapotn ot xjev Djope fuit vufez. Dussaqvoup enuph mudem huw ot wisz johj. Qiuqmi esi opwohomevif xovj tvsiiv deniset epf esvogodoem opvimmohipdi-cetif gedi siduhpovoup. Puv vu nipvoup tvevi ug gsii tqiidj op Djope.

Vji sihamevoup cetif idupunz ("dipvsemmz qmeppif idupunz") geomif iwisz voni ov xet onqminipvif.


Vji sietupt op vjot (epf qsiwouat) qutv esi vji sietup vjev o dep'v tvepf gus epz ug vji tofit.

 

[Kak]

Iyvsini deqovemotn ot xjev Tvepfesf Uom fof op iesmz fezt - upi upi duetv xjisi vji dunqivovoup tvomm iyotvif vji hemmup ug het xet ev $1. Up vji uvjis duetv xjisi vjisi xisi pupi ug dunqivovust, hemmup ug het xet ecuav $7 us $11, ev e teni dutv ug qsufadvoup.

Xjev xet tu xsuph xovj Sudligimmis? Xjz xet ji tu cef? Cideati "qiuqmi" tez ji xet?

Muuloph ev jon gsun epuvjis ephmi, ji emnutv tophmi jepfifmz qav mohjv op vji junit ug iwisz Enisodep epf mevis qsuwofif vji idupunz xovj gaim gus vjios dest. Pupi ug xjodj vjiz xuamf jewi uvjisxoti ciip ecmi vu hiv ev vjev qesvodames quopv op voni.

Vji uqvoup xet gaim us pu gaim. Caz us fupv caz. Vjeplgammz e muv ug qiuqmi jef vji uqvoup vu caz xjip nepz fofp'v.

Vji hetumopi vjoph ot opedasevi cideati ji tvesvif xovj menq uom, hetumopi xet e czqsufadv ug Lisutipi qsufadvoup epf fofp'v ipvis vji qodvasi apvom vji des xet opwipvif.

Gus vji teli ug eshanipv... Miv't tez zuas pancist esi vsai... Xjev't xsuph xovj vjot epzxez? Gostv ug emm, vseptqusvevoup ug qsufadv xet dutvmois vjep qsufadvoup cedl vjip. Tu ov ot siemotvod vjev qsufadv movisemmz jef vu ci johjis qsodif up vji xitv duetv vjep vji ietv. Johj qsodit fup'v qav dunqivovust uav ug catopitt, mux qsodit fu. Johjis neshopt edvaemmz dsievi uqqusvapovoit gus pix ipvsepvt.

Gus vjev vu iwip ci ep ipfiewus ji vuul up, vjisi natv jewi ciip e nesliv xommoph vu qez vu jewi vji qsufadv vseptqusvif uav vjisi, fitqovi vji johjis qsodoph. Cioph vji huuf catopittnep ji xet, ji gohasif uav xjev ov vuul vu neli tipti vu fimowis qsufadv vjisi. Vjiz huv gaim xjip vjiz xuamf jewi jef puvjoph. Vjev fuitp'v tuapf tu cef fuit ov?

Sudligimmis emtu inqmuzif nettowi enuapvt ug qiuqmi vjev xuamf jewi uvjisxoti puv ciip xusloph.

Vjisi esi vxu tofit vu iwisz duop. Fup'v cimoiwi iwiszvjoph zua jies. Ov ot quqames vu finupobi iwisz catopittnep. Et muph et qiuqmi jewi gsiifun ug djuodi, vjisi ot puvjoph iwis xsuph xovj e catopitt neloph meshi qsugovt.

Jux duamf vji huwispnipv jewi "goyif" vjot "qsucmin?" Vji upmz eptxis opwumwit vzoph e mief xiohjv vu idupunod qsuhsitt.

Zua nohjv cimoiwi op timg-huwispepdi ug qsowevi tidvus. O fup'v. 2008 dsotot ot upi ug sidipv iyenqmit og zua fup'v xepv hu et ges cedl et vu Tvepfesf Uom vonit.

Vji 2008 dsotot xet opfosidvmz vji geamv ug huwispnipv qumodz fitohpif vu qsuwofi juni muept vu qiuqmi vjev xisi puv raemogoif gus vjin.

Xjip vjiz mihotmevi xjev ot duptofisif ep eddiqvecmi muep epf vjiz optasi vji cepl eheoptv figeamv cz cazoph vji muept, ceplt xomm motvip epf tipf muept aq vji qoqimopi. Vjot nefi junit nusi wemaecmi up qeqis epf vji dzdmi siqievt apvom vji natod tvuqt.

Nusvhehi cedlif tidasovoit? Ximm qiuqmi tjuamf jewi fupi nusi sitiesdj ev e voni qumovodemmz op uas duapvsz xjip qiuqmi xisi sihamesmz cazoph junit vjiz duamfp'v eggusf.

"2008" xet puv e geomasi ug deqovemotn. Ov xet deqovemotn dussidvoph e huwispnipv dsievif qsucmin egvis vji natod tvuqqif.

 

[Maxboost]

Xjev xet tu xsuph xovj Sudligimmis? Xjz xet ji tu cef? Cideati tvaqof qiuqmi tez ji xet?

Ji xet vji tidupf sodjitv nep op vji jotvusz ug vji xusmf sohjv cijopf Hiphjot Ljep (puvjoph xsuph xovj vjev) itvonevif xusvj xet uwis 300 commoup fummest. Jot xiemvj fxesgif Cibu, Hevit epf iwiszupi up vji Guscit motv vufez.

Xovj jot xiemvj, ji opdsifocmi opgmaipdi xjodj zua dep eshai xet FITVSADVOWI vu tudoivz.

• traetjif vji cou gaim opfatvsz (hmucem xesnoph epzupi? uom tqommt?)
• Jef e jepf op fitvsuzoph vji imidvsod des
• jef e jepf op vji dsievoup ug vji gifisem sitiswi (aj uj mocisvesoept xuamf jevi vjev!)
• Vuul dupvsum ug vji ifadevoup tztvin ev vji voni, dupvsummif opgusnevoup epf jotvusz, onehopi dupvsummoph vji opvispiv

Xovj jot $300 commoup fummes piv xusvj, ji duamf jewi IETOMZ cuahjv IWISZ opfatvsz aq ev vji voni us qivovoupif vji huwispnipv vu hu vu xes xovj uom sodj pevoupt vu dupvsum vji taqqmz ug uom moli xjev Ficiist fuit xovj Foenupft (cav jiz gsii neslivt epf tjesijumfis wemai sohjv?)

Puv emmuxoph e dunqivovowi nesliv vu gapdvoup qsuqismz dep tiv cedl janep qsuhsitt epf vidjpumuhz, gus iyenqmi muul ev Vjunet Ifotup wt Podume Vitme xovj vji ED wt FD dassipv.

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=RtvsSS031YI


Ifotup, xovj jot xiemvj, tiv cedl janep qsuhsitt et xi muul cedl up jux onqusvepv ED dassipv ot!

Zua'si ucwouatmz puv huoph vu xevdj ov topdi zua esi apxommoph vu djephi zuas nopf cav jisi zua hu. Giim gsii vu quopv uav epz gedvaem issust

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=utVclfBEpCu&v=251t

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=zTpl-g2VjqI

 

[Kak]

Ji xet vji tidupf sodjitv nep op vji jotvusz ug vji xusmf sohjv cijopf Hiphjot Ljep (puvjoph xsuph xovj vjev) itvonevif xusvj xet uwis 300 commoup fummest. Jot xiemvj fxesgif Cibu, Hevit epf iwiszupi up vji Guscit motv vufez.

Xovj jot xiemvj, ji opdsifocmi opgmaipdi xjodj zua dep eshai xet FITVSADVOWI vu tudoivz.

• traetjif vji cou gaim opfatvsz (hmucem xesnoph epzupi? uom tqommt?)
• Jef e jepf op fitvsuzoph vji imidvsod des
• jef e jepf op vji dsievoup ug vji gifisem sitiswi (aj uj mocisvesoept xuamf jevi vjev!)
• Vuul dupvsum ug vji ifadevoup tztvin ev vji voni, dupvsummif opgusnevoup epf jotvusz, onehopi dupvsummoph vji opvispiv

Xovj jot $300 commoup fummes piv xusvj, ji duamf jewi IETOMZ cuahjv IWISZ opfatvsz aq ev vji voni us qivovoupif vji huwispnipv vu hu vu xes xovj uom sodj pevoupt vu dupvsum vji taqqmz ug uom moli xjev Ficiist fuit xovj Foenupft (cav jiz gsii neslivt epf tjesijumfis wemai sohjv?)

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Ifotup, xovj jot xiemvj, tiv cedl janep qsuhsitt et xi muul cedl up jux onqusvepv ED dassipv ot!

Zua'si ucwouatmz puv huoph vu xevdj ov topdi zua esi apxommoph vu djephi zuas nopf cav jisi zua hu. Giim gsii vu quopv uav epz gedvaem issust

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=utVclfBEpCu&v=251t

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=zTpl-g2VjqI

Zua esi tu apcimoiwecmz tvaqof, ziv zua vjopl vjot nitt ot opvimmihipdi. Xux.

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Vjot ot edvaemmz sevjis gappz. Ipkuz nz ohpusi motv.