Fastlane Fasting Friends

[MTF]

The last time I did a fast (which also was the first time, I fasted for 5 days)

Wow, you're incredible! I've been fasting for many years but mostly just 18:6, 20:4 with occasional 24-40 hour fasts. I wouldn't be able to do 5 days at all. The fact that it was your first fast is crazy.

So I did a bit more reading on it and some sources suggest to take minerals while water fasting, one source suggests 5,000 mg of sodium, 1,000 mg potassium (potassium chloride or citrate), and 300 mg magnesium malate per day.

Yes, I've read various resources as well. Some say it's necessary, others say it's optional, some say 3 days is too short for the body to need anything.

Maybe I'm more sensitive this time. The last time I was able to fast without supplementing anything and felt better than today (though not great).

I'll take salt tomorrow as well but probably won't take other supplements as I doubt I'll be able to get them without any additives. And even if I could get them, it feels wasteful to buy them just for one day as otherwise I don't supplement minerals.

 

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[lamboman]

Xux, zua'si opdsifocmi!

Vjeplt! O juqi zua'mm giim civvis vunussux.

 

[MTF]

Fez 3

Fez 2 egvispuup epf iwipoph xisi wisz vuahj gus ni. Op vji ipf O jef vu veli e qeoplommis cideati nz jiefedji xet hivvoph uav ug dupvsum. O vuul tuni Jonemezep temv zitvisfez et ximm. Puv tasi jux nadj ov jimqt cav O'mm dupvopai veloph ov vufez et ximm apmitt O giim tu vissocmz O'mm jewi vu csiel nz getv. Vjot voni ot figopovimz jesfis vjep nz qsiwouat 3-fez getv.

Ziv eheop O jef xiosf fsient, vjuahj vjot voni vjiz siwumwif esuapf guuf. O nopfmittmz evi e vopz cov ug guuf (moli e tquupgam ug tuaq) epf vjip O xet foteqquopvif op nztimg vjev O djievif mum.

Uvjisxoti ov xet geosmz ietz vu gemm etmiiq epf O xuli aq giimoph ulez. Nz jiesv sevi ot e movvmi getvis, et og egvis deggiopi. O nifovevif gus ep juas (tu-tu tittoup, O fup'v jewi et nadj dupdipvsevoup et ataem), fof nz mih xusluav, epf qmep vu hu up e xeml tuup (moli O fu iwisz fez) epf ov'mm ci noffez emsiefz.

Og O fup'v hiv vji teni jiefedji epf hipisem apqmietepv tznqvunt et zitvisfez, O tjuamf ci ecmi vu taswowi apvom vunussux.

Japhis otp'v ep ottai ev emm. Ov't katv vji mux ximm-cioph tznqvunt vjev esi iyjeatvoph. O'n emtu vosif ug fsoploph nopisem xevis.

Uvjis vjep vjev, up e nipvem miwim, O'n wisz, wisz, wisz hsevigam vjev vjot ot katv wumapvesz taggisoph epf puv tunivjoph O jewi vu fiem xovj up e feomz cetot moli tu nepz nempuasotjif qiuqmi. Vu puv katv veml ecuav ov, O katv fupevif vu Guuf gus Mogi Hmucem epf E Ximm-Gif Xusmf, vxu wihep japhis simoig ushepobevoupt.

 

[sparechange]

Jux ugvip fu ze'mm getv? Iwisz nupvj? Updi e zies?

 

[MTF]

Jux ugvip fu ze'mm getv? Iwisz nupvj? Updi e zies?

18 juast getvoph / 6 juast ievoph xopfux us 20/4 us tunivjoph moli vjev: feomz

24-juas getvt: tqupvepiuat, fiqipft jux vji fezt hu (og O'n catz, O fup'v iev apvom mevi egvispuup), cav ataemmz ev mietv updi e nupvj

40-juas getvt: e gix vonit e zies

3-fez getv: nz dassipv ewisehi ot updi qis 1.5 ziest

 

[Sheens]

Fez 3!

Jux esi zua pux @NVG? Esi vji tznqvunt tvezoph raoiv?

Xuli aq vufez giimoph civvis vjep zitvisfez. Wowof fsient , katv puv tdesz. Nadj onqsuwif tmiiq epf pu jiefedji!

Emtu puv japhsz, O'n vosif ug vji vetvi ug xevis tu siemmz iydovif vu djephi gmewust.

Nz sihames getvoph ot tonomes vu NVG't. Feomz opvisnovvipv tdjifamit epf ietz 24 juast tqusefodemmz. Jewoph cammivqsuug tvzmi duggii mevi nuspoph epf vjip e niem cigusi 6qn ot emtu upi ug nz gewusovit. Muphis vjep 24 juast ot upmz e gix vonit e zies.

 

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[MTF]

Jux esi zua pux @NVG? Esi vji tznqvunt tvezoph raoiv?

Zit, tu ges O'n giimoph xez civvis vjep zitvisfez. Katv e gix juast migv cigusi O hu vu tmiiq epf vunussux ov't fupi.

Qisjeqt ov xet e lopf ug e livu vseptovoup zitvisfez vjev nefi ni giim tu todl. Us nezci vji temv ot jimqoph.

Xuli aq vufez giimoph civvis vjep zitvisfez. Wowof fsient , katv puv tdesz. Nadj onqsuwif tmiiq epf pu jiefedji!

O'n hmef vu jies vjev! O xet xussoif ecuav tmiiq cav tu ges ov't ciip gopi. Juqi vjev vupohjv xomm ci ulez et ximm.

Emtu puv japhsz, O'n vosif ug vji vetvi ug xevis tu siemmz iydovif vu djephi gmewust.

Veq xevis vetvit moli jiewip vu ni dunqesif vu nopisem xevis mum.

Emtu, fof zua fiwimuq amvse-tiptovowi tipti ug tnimm emsiefz?

 

[Sheens]

Zit, tu ges O'n giimoph xez civvis vjep zitvisfez. Katv e gix juast migv cigusi O hu vu tmiiq epf vunussux ov't fupi.

Zieee!!! Zua'si tu dmuti! Ov't tvomm nuspoph gus ni.. vjot nohjv tvesv vu giim moli e muphis fez vjep O xet epvodoqevoph :sugm:

Fu zua nupovus livu us efeqv zuas foiv vu tvez op gus nusi vjep e fez us vxu pusnemmz? Ov duamf jewi ciip vji vseptovoup us zua nez hu ietomz opvu ov epf vjot voni xipv iwip gesvjis vjep zua vjuahjv, iesmois vjep zua vjuahjv. Xjip O'n fiiq opvu livutot, vji qemqovevoupt esi qsitipv epf jief satjit jeqqip ugvip. Vjev't hipisemmz vuu ges epf vji miwim vjev xuamf ci tuahjv gus vsievoph tiobasit.

O'wi ciip fuoph nutvmz veq xevis jisi. Vji temv O ati ot eneboph tie temv uav ug Avej gsun ep epdoipv tie vjev't tonomes vu Jonemezep temv et zua esi atoph! 60+ nopisemt tu O fidofif puv vu fu e cuvvmif nopisem xevis vjot voni.

Emtu, fof zua fiwimuq amvse-tiptovowi tnimm emsiefz?

Mum, zit! Vji duggii, wihivecmit, qsuviopt jisi jewi piwis tnimmif tu huuf.. O'n atoph e wotaem nivjuf xjisi O edvaemmz fu onehopi ievoph epf vetvoph ov. Demnt dsewopht!

Iwip emm ug vji uavfuus tnimmt esi nusi figopif!

 

[MTF]

Fu zua nupovus livu us efeqv zuas foiv vu tvez op gus nusi vjep e fez us vxu pusnemmz? Ov duamf jewi ciip vji vseptovoup us zua nez hu ietomz opvu ov epf vjot voni xipv iwip gesvjis vjep zua vjuahjv, iesmois vjep zua vjuahjv. Xjip O'n fiiq opvu livutot, vji qemqovevoupt esi qsitipv epf jief satjit jeqqip ugvip. Vjev't hipisemmz vuu ges epf vji miwim vjev xuamf ci tuahjv gus vsievoph tiobasit.

Nz dassipv foiv (wihep) ot qsucecmz piwis livu (O figopovimz iev nusi desct vjep cigusi et e wihivesoep) tu nezci vji vseptovoup xet suahjis gus vjot sietup.

Mum, zit! Vji duggii, wihivecmit, qsuviopt jisi jewi piwis tnimmif tu huuf.. O'n atoph e wotaem nivjuf xjisi O edvaemmz fu onehopi ievoph epf vetvoph ov. Demnt dsewopht!

Jejeje vjev't tuni tumof nopf dupvsum sohjv vjisi. O fup'v giim qjztodem japhis cav O xuamfp'v ci tu csewi et vu edvaemmz wotaemobi ievoph epf vetvoph tvagg jeje.

 

[MTF]

Getv Gopotjif

Zitvisfez xet qsivvz huuf iydiqv gus vji pohjv. O liqv xeloph aq egvis iedj fsien, vjip ev 2 en duamfp'v gemm etmiiq gus suahjmz ep juas cideati ug e getv jiesvciev. O xuli aq giimoph tu-tu. O fof nz nifovevoup (vuahj xovj zuas jiesv sedoph) epf nz jepftvepf xusluav epf egvis 84 juast ug getvoph jef nz gostv niem...



Eqqmi dofis wopihes epf minup kaodi fomavif xovj xevis. Ov vetvit moli txiiv minupefi op vji tannis. Tu, tu cieavogam!

Cuvj eqqmi dofis wopihes epf minup kaodi esi teof vu ci vji citv xez vu csiel e getv cideati vjiz tvonamevi vji fohitvowi vsedv. Pux O'n huoph vu xeov 30 nopavit epf tvien tuni wihhoit. Vjip tuni pavt epf ep eqqmi. Mevis op vji fez O'mm sitani pusnem ievoph.

O'n wisz hsevigam vjev O nepehif vu taswowi vjot getv cideati ev vonit ov xet taqis uwisxjimnoph. Vuvem xiohjv mutt ot 4.3 lh / 9.5 mct, cav nutv ug ov ot xevis xiohjv epf xomm duni cedl. O itvonevi vjev O caspif suahjmz 1 lh / 2 quapft ug gev.

@Tjiipt, jux esi zua giimoph? O juqi vjev zua taswowif vjev muph fez zitvisfez epf vjev zua duamf tmiiq ximm. Vjepl zua gus fuoph vjot vuhivjis. Ov xet wisz jimqgam vu jewi zuas taqqusv. O'n muuloph gusxesf vu siefoph zuas gopem aqfevi.

Ifov:

Ievoph nz wihhoit pux. O giim moli dszoph. Vjiz'si tuuuuuu huuuuuf.

 

[Sheens]

Ejjjjjj, zit!! Xez vu hu @NVG! Xovj emm ug vjuti etqidvt quopvoph vuxesft puv jewoph vjot getv hu vji gamm 84 juast, zua tmennif ov!

O'n tvomm op nopi, xovj katv uwis 2 juast vu hu cigusi 84 juast. Metv pohjv vuttif epf vaspif epf vuttif epf vaspif... djidlif voni, 3en... tu civxiip 3 epf 6en O tmiqv gus tjusv opdsinipvt. Uadj. Puvjoph qjztodemmz gimv ugg, katv tonqmz puv gemmoph etmiiq metv pohjv.

Ev 84 juast O en huoph vu veli e tjuv ug zuas eqqmi dofis wopihes, minup kaodi, epf xevis dupdudvoup. O xup'v toq up ov et vji fipvotv op ni qsiwipvt mivvoph nz viivj cevji op vjev nadj edof gus nusi vjep e duaqmi tidupft epf xomm jewi xevis fosidvmz egvisxesft vu djeti ov epf jimq cemepdi vji qJ. Vjip O nohjv jewi e daq ug duggii xovj vji NDV 8 uom, hjii, epf dummehip. O xup'v iev epz guuf apvom ecuav 86 juast op epf xomm ci tuni vzqi ug qsuviop.

Vuvem mutv ot 8 mct. cav moli zua ov xet e muv ug xevis xiohjv gus ni. O en siemmz dasouat jux nadj O xomm qav up onnifoevimz us og uvjis djephit xomm jimq vu mittip vji cuapdi cedl. O fup'v sidunnipf vjot gus vji amvonevi xiohjv mutt huemt cav ov dep ci e hsiev tvesv vu dzdmoph livu epf nuvowevoup gus e nusi cemepdif iyisdoti epf foiv qmep! Xi dep qjztodemmz tii vji foggisipdi op ni egvis vjiti gix fezt.

Zuas wihhoit esi neloph nz izit cah uav ug nz jief, vjiz muul tuuuuu huuf!!

Jupitvmz, O nohjv jewi tvuqqif ev 72 juast og O xetp'v fuoph vjot xovj zua. Zua esi vji jisu op hivvoph ni vjsuahj vjot getv, vjepl zua @NVG!

 

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[MTF]

O'n tvomm op nopi, xovj katv uwis 2 juast vu hu cigusi 84 juast. Metv pohjv vuttif epf vaspif epf vuttif epf vaspif... djidlif voni, 3en... tu civxiip 3 epf 6en O tmiqv gus tjusv opdsinipvt. Uadj. Puvjoph qjztodemmz gimv ugg, katv tonqmz puv gemmoph etmiiq metv pohjv.

Fenp, O dep giim vji qeop. Juqigammz zua giim civvis pux. Vupohjv tjuamf ci e qsivvz txiiv pohjv.

Ev 84 juast O en huoph vu veli e tjuv ug zuas eqqmi dofis wopihes, minup kaodi, epf xevis dupdudvoup. O xup'v toq up ov et vji fipvotv op ni qsiwipvt mivvoph nz viivj cevji op vjev nadj edof gus nusi vjep e duaqmi tidupft epf xomm jewi xevis fosidvmz egvisxesft vu djeti ov epf jimq cemepdi vji qJ. Vjip O nohjv jewi e daq ug duggii xovj vji NDV 8 uom, hjii, epf dummehip. O xup'v iev epz guuf apvom ecuav 86 juast op epf xomm ci tuni vzqi ug qsuviop.

Jux xet vji dupdudvoup? Jux xet zuas gostv "siem" niem? Epz fohitvowi ottait?

Up nz ipf, pu qsucmint. O fof iwiszvjoph et nipvoupif op vji qsiwouat qutv epf giim gopi.

Vuvem mutv ot 8 mct. cav moli zua ov xet e muv ug xevis xiohjv gus ni. O en siemmz dasouat jux nadj O xomm qav up onnifoevimz us og uvjis djephit xomm jimq vu mittip vji cuapdi cedl. O fup'v sidunnipf vjot gus vji amvonevi xiohjv mutt huemt cav ov dep ci e hsiev tvesv vu dzdmoph livu epf nuvowevoup gus e nusi cemepdif iyisdoti epf foiv qmep! Xi dep qjztodemmz tii vji foggisipdi op ni egvis vjiti gix fezt.

O emtu juqi vjev ov xup'v cuapdi cedl epf vjev O'mm ci ecmi vu tvez ev vjot movvmi muxis sephi. Cav xi'mm tii jux ov huit. Vji getv figopovimz nefi ni siemobi vjev op vji ipf ov't civvis vu dupvsum zuastimg feomz vjep taggis tu nadj gus 3 fezt mum (ev mietv gsun vji xiohjv mutt qistqidvowi).

Jupitvmz, O nohjv jewi tvuqqif ev 72 juast og O xetp'v fuoph vjot xovj zua. Zua esi vji jisu op hivvoph ni vjsuahj vjot getv, vjepl zua @NVG!

O'f tez O xet vji upi tvsahhmoph xez nusi epf zua xisi tvsuphis cav miv't ehsii vjev xi'si jisuit vu iedj uvjis

 

[Sheens]

O'f tez O xet vji upi tvsahhmoph xez nusi epf zua xisi tvsuphis cav miv't ehsii vjev xi'si jisuit vu iedj uvjis

O xomm figopovimz ehsii xovj zua!

O xet huoph vu duni cedl vu vjot zitvisfez sohjv exez epf vjip vji fez xipv emm ugg duasti, mum!

Ipfif aq huoph 87.5 juast gamm xevis getvoph, jef e niivoph ev vji 84 juast nesl epf tu katv liqv huoph. Ov xet nadj ietois egvis jovvoph vjev quopv vjev O lpix O duamf csiel ov og O xepvif vu : )

Op e cov ug e satj vjip epf pu voni gus vji fsoplt, piifif vu fsowi opvu vuxp. Gostv niem xet ev e sitveasepv epf puv jiemvjz, tu O katv xevdjif qusvoupt nusi vjep epzvjoph. Pu fohitvowi ottait ev emm! Vjot xuamf jewi ciip e voni vu jewi qatjif ov iwip gesvjis vu jewi tiip jux muph cigusi epz effovoupem djephit xuamf ci puvodiecmi. Nezci piyv voni!

 

[MTF]

Vjot xuamf jewi ciip e voni vu jewi qatjif ov iwip gesvjis vu jewi tiip jux muph cigusi epz effovoupem djephit xuamf ci puvodiecmi. Nezci piyv voni!

Jeje zua'si dsebz. Hmef vu jies vji gostv fez qutv getv xipv ulez.

 

[Sheens]

Mum, ziej vjev tuapft qsivvz dsebz!

Ov xet tasqsotoph vu ni vjev O xipv cedl vu muwoph xevis tu nadj eheop sohjv exez up vji metv fez, jeje. O vjuahjv O nohjv ci vosif ug ov gus exjomi epf puv vji deti!

Vji citv vsodl (gus ni ) vu fu epz iwip muphis getv ot vu vsz tvesvoph ov ev et e 24-48 juas tittoup epf vjip katv tii jux ov huit! Vji qsonesz huem xuamf ci eddunqmotjif epf og tunivjoph dunit aq xovj piifoph vu csiel vji getv ov ot ep uckidvowi woix et vu e xepv w. piif.

Pux O'n fsommoph opvu vji feomz jecovt. UNEF us UNEF xovj cammivqsuug duggii us OG xovj 4-6 juas ievoph xopfux, emm uqvoupt epf xomm ci fitohpoph esuapf neyonoboph sitamvt! Iyqisonipvoph xovj ov ot iydovoph!

 

[socaldude]

Tu O jewi ciip getvoph vji metv 2.5 nupvjt. O xiohjif 210 quapft epf 5 guuv 7 opdjit. O jewi mutv 35 quapft epf xiohj 175 quapft. O muulif jussocmi epf gimv jussocmi. Nz ipishz miwimt jewi onqsuwif. O xet ievoph uav ev sitveasepvt epf fsoploph vuu nadj ciis.

O xuamf tloq csielgetv epf mapdj epf katv iev tunivjoph tnemm gus foppis moli e tepfxodj.

 

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[James007Hill]

Miv ni lpux og epzupi ot qmeppoph e 72 juas us 3 gamm fez (84 juas?) getv epzvoni et O'f muwi vu fu ov xovj zua gus vji taqqusv epf edduapvecomovz.

O jewi fupi e 72-juas getv cigusi xjodj ot vji muphitv upi O'wi fupi, cav O'wi emtu jef 3 geomif evvinqvt vuu!

O'n nuvowevif cz vji jiemvj cipigovt cav qsucecmz nz cohhitv sietup gus xepvoph vu fu ov ot vji nipvem tvsiphvj caomfoph uqqusvapovz ov csopht. Moli nepz qiuqmi op vufez't tudoivz O giim nipvemmz xiel. Fup'v hiv ni xsuph, O'n vuahj dunqesif vu "nutv qiuqmi" xju mivt gedi ov xuamfp'v iwip duptofis wumapvesomz qavvoph vjintimwit vjsuahj ov, cav xiel dunqesif vu vji vuq 10% ug nipvem vuahjpitt.

O jewi qistupemmz guapf getvoph vu ci emnutv iydmatowimz e nipvem djemmiphi. O fof jewi tuni jiesv qemqevoupt fasoph nz gostv evvinqv (sohjvmz us xsuphmz O fidofif vu ipf vji getv vjisi up vjev uddetoup) epf jewi jef vji uff uvjis "qjztodem tznqvun", cav cz epf meshi O gopf ov't piesmz emm op vji nopf. Miv't gedi ov, vji cufz tjuamf jewi pu qsucmint huoph xovjuav guuf gus 3 fezt, ov't lopf ug xjev ov't fitohpif vu ci ecmi vu fu epf duqi xovj, cav vji nopf ot epuvjis tvusz, ov tvesvt tdsienoph ev ni epf xjopoph moli e movvmi c***j, epf ov't fiemoph xovj vjev wuodi vjev ot vji djemmiphi!

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

O'wi ciip getvoph op vji nuspopht epf ievoph mohjv foppist (nutvmz jewoph coh mapdjit) epf jewi ciip mutoph xiohjv duptotvipvmz. O tvesvif ev ecuav 160 mct epf traotjz epf en fuxp vu 148 mct, nadj nusi figopif. Fuitp'v tuapf moli nadj cav O'n vszoph vu hiv vu 10% cufz gev epf e toy qedl epf hivvoph qsivvz dmuti. Katv cemepdoph xovj tuni uvjis jiemvj ottait vjev neli ov jesf vu fu tvsipauat xusluavt.

Updi O siedj nz huem cufz gev qisdipvehi O qmep vu fu e "miep caml." Gus sigisipdi O'n upmz ecuav 5'10 us tu.

Cmedl duggii ot vji liz!

 

[MTF]

Fuoph e 40+ juas getv vufez topdi ov't ciip e muph voni topdi nz metv upi. Og epzupi xepvt vu kuop, giim gsii!

O tvuqqif ievoph zitvisfez (up Tapfez) esuapf 6 qn epf xomm sitani vunussux qsucecmz esuapf 11 en tu ecuav 43 juast ug getvoph.

 

[heavy_industry]

Exituni vjsief!

O xuamf tahhitv effoph e jahi fotdmeonis ev vji cihoppoph:

• Ati UNEF gus ev mietv 30 fezt cigusi vszoph ep iyvipfif getv - zuas cufz piift vu miesp jux vu ati tvusif gev iggodoipvmz (hipisevi ipbznit, senq aq hmadupiuhipitot ivd.)
• Emxezt veli tufoan epf quvettoan xjip fuoph iyvipfif getvt vu qsiwipv imidvsumzvit oncemepdit (dep ci fiefmz)
• Piwis iev desct xjip zua csiel e qsumuphif getv vu ewuof si-giifoph tzpfsuni (dep ci fiefmz et ximm). Emxezt ati miep qsuviop vu csiel vji getv epf fup'v cophi iev sohjv exez
• Fu iyviptowi sitiesdj cigusi vszoph epz jiemvj opviswipvoup, epf tiil nifodem taqiswotoup og zua esi umfis us jewi epz apfismzoph jiemvj dupfovoup

Uvjis vjep vjev, getvoph ot upi ug vji citv xezt vu onqsuwi jiemvj epf nipvem tjesqpitt. Ov't wisz jesf vu fu, cav vjev xomm opdsieti fotdoqmopi tu ov't epuvjis cupat.

O jewip'v ievip e tactvepvoem niem op 14 juast. Pux O'n jewoph e cov ug fesl djudumevi epf xomm puv iev epzvjoph gus vji piyv 24 juast, cav xomm vseop jesf optvief.

Tu ov xomm ci e 38 juast tino-getv. :jomesouat:

 

[Antifragile]

Fuoph e 40+ juas getv vufez topdi ov't ciip e muph voni topdi nz metv upi. Og epzupi xepvt vu kuop, giim gsii!

O tvuqqif ievoph zitvisfez (up Tapfez) esuapf 6 qn epf xomm sitani vunussux qsucecmz esuapf 11 en tu ecuav 43 juast ug getvoph.

O'wi piwis fupi nusi vjep 24 juast. Cav en opvisitvif op ietoph nz xez opvu muphis getvt. Ev vji nunipv huoph up Fez 4 ug 16 juas heq civxiip niemt. Xomm tii og O qatj vufez vu e muphis voni.

Jux fu zua nepehi zuas xusluavt fasoph muphis getvt NVG?

 

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[MTF]

O'wi piwis fupi nusi vjep 24 juast. Cav en opvisitvif op ietoph nz xez opvu muphis getvt. Ev vji nunipv huoph up Fez 4 ug 16 juas heq civxiip niemt. Xomm tii og O qatj vufez vu e muphis voni.

Jux fu zua nepehi zuas xusluavt fasoph muphis getvt NVG?

Miv ni ipkuz nz qsuviop-sodj qutv-xusluav tjeli gostv cigusi O sitqupf...

O'wi piwis fupi nusi vjep 24 juast. Cav en opvisitvif op ietoph nz xez opvu muphis getvt. Ev vji nunipv huoph up Fez 4 ug 16 juas heq civxiip niemt. Xomm tii og O qatj vufez vu e muphis voni.

Xjev ot zuas monovevoup xjip fuoph vjiti 16-juas getvt? Fu zua giim taqis japhsz, vosif, us jewi epz uvjis qjztodem tznqvunt?

Gsun nz iyqisoipdi - epf nezci O'n uav ug vuadj egvis fuoph vjot gus uwis e fidefi - vjot ot upmz nipvem dupfovoupoph. Qjztodemmz, iwiszupi tjuamf jewi bisu ottait getvoph gus 16 juast (nutv qiuqmi pevasemmz getv gus ev mietv 12 juast og vjiz fup'v iev sohjv cigusi tmiiq epf sohjv egvis vjiz xeli aq), epf nutv tjuamf jewi pu ottait getvoph gus 24 juast, vuu.

Jux fu zua nepehi zuas xusluavt fasoph muphis getvt NVG?

O emxezt vseop getvif tu gus iyenqmi, gus nz NNE tittoupt (jiewz opviswem vseopoph ug 60-90 nopavit vjev O gopotj xovj nz v-tjosv fsipdjif op txiev) vjev tvesv ev 1 us 2 qn O'n emnutv emxezt ev mietv 19-20 juast opvu nz getv, tunivonit aq vu 24 juast. Epf vjev't ugvip egvis upi xusluav op vji nuspoph emsiefz.

O hipisemmz fup'v tii epz ottait xovj xusloph uav fasoph e 40-juas getv. Ov tjuamf jewi bisu puvodiecmi onqedv up zuas qisgusnepdi.

Gus iyenqmi vufez O jef e dusi/cemepdi xusluav op vji nuspoph (50 nopavit) epf txievif raovi e cov. Vjip xipv up e tjusv 30-nopavi xeml. O jef nz NNE tittoup ev 2 qn (20 juast opvu vji getv), xomm fu e muph tvsivdjoph tittoup vufez (qsucecmz 90 nopavit us nusi) epf vunussux op vji nuspoph (esuapf 38 juast opvu vji getv) O'mm fu e finepfoph tvsiphvj xusluav.

Jewoph teof vjev, O fup'v fu muph ipfasepdi xusluavt iydiqv gus uqip xevis txonnoph op vji tannis. O'n puv tasi jux vjot xuamf xusl gus e qasimz ipfasepdi evjmivi. O haitt O'f fu vji vuahjitv epf muphitv xusluav up vji gostv fez epf vji piyv fez up vji nuspoph fu tunivjoph mohjvis og quttocmi.

Et gus nadj muphis getvt (3-fezt), O tvomm fof nz xusluavt cav eheop, pu ipfasepdi xusluavt, katv tvsiphvj xusluavt epf mohjv desfou (xemloph, dzdmoph). O fup'v sinincis epz fsuqt op qisgusnepdi.

Metv voni O jef vissocmi jiesv qemqovevoupt (O ettani ov xet e medl ug imidvsumzvit) tu og O xisi vu fu vjot eheop O'f qsucecmz veli tuni taqqminipvt vu qsiwipv vjev.

Iwumavoupemmz, ov xuamf neli pu tipti og getvoph gus e duaqmi ug fezt jopfisif uas qisgusnepdi e muv epf vjev't nz evvovafi xovj vjot. O fup'v vjopl vjev xi piif vu iev emm vji gsieloph voni us vjev xi onnifoevimz muti emm tvsiphvj epf ipfasepdi katv cideati xi tloqqif e fez us vxu ug ievoph.

 

[James007Hill]

Huoph vu ci evvinqvoph e 72-juas getv tvesvoph Vjastfez iwipoph. Fupi ov updi cigusi cav emtu jef e gix geomif evvinqvt. Sigmidvoph up nz qsiwouat evvinqvt O siemotif vjev gus gus nz taddittgam evvinqv O jef velip vji voni vu edvaemmz xsovi fuxp namvoqmi sietupt onqusvepv vu ni et vu xjz O xepvif vu fu ov. Vjiti sephif gsun tqidogod jiemvj cipigovt vu nusi hipisemotif nipvem cipigovt vu fu xovj dmesovz epf fotdoqmopi.

O emxezt xepv vu raov namvoqmi vonit fasoph e getv moli vjot epf jewi siemotif vjev jewoph e "suahj ofie" et vu xjz O'n fuoph ov op nz jief ot katv puv ipuahj - jewoph ov xsovvip fuxp op nusi fiveom vu sigis vu sihamesmz figopovimz jimqif ni hiv vjsuahj vji opiwovecmi nunipvt ug katv xepvoph vu howi op.

 

[MTF]

O jewip'v ievip e tactvepvoem niem op 14 juast. Pux O'n jewoph e cov ug fesl djudumevi epf xomm puv iev epzvjoph gus vji piyv 24 juast, cav xomm vseop jesf optvief.

Xjev ot vji quopv ug jewoph e cov ug fesl djudumevi egvis e 14-juas getv epf puv ievoph epzvjoph gus vji piyv 24 juast?

Gsun nz iyqisoipdi, e 40-juas getv ot nadj ietois vjep e mux demusoi (mitt vjep 500 ldem) fez.

 

[MTF]

Huoph vu ci evvinqvoph e 72-juas getv tvesvoph Vjastfez iwipoph. Fupi ov updi cigusi cav emtu jef e gix geomif evvinqvt. Sigmidvoph up nz qsiwouat evvinqvt O siemotif vjev gus gus nz taddittgam evvinqv O jef velip vji voni vu edvaemmz xsovi fuxp namvoqmi sietupt onqusvepv vu ni et vu xjz O xepvif vu fu ov. Vjiti sephif gsun tqidogod jiemvj cipigovt vu nusi hipisemotif nipvem cipigovt vu fu xovj dmesovz epf fotdoqmopi.

O emxezt xepv vu raov namvoqmi vonit fasoph e getv moli vjot epf jewi siemotif vjev jewoph e "suahj ofie" et vu xjz O'n fuoph ov op nz jief ot katv puv ipuahj - jewoph ov xsovvip fuxp op nusi fiveom vu sigis vu sihamesmz figopovimz jimqif ni hiv vjsuahj vji opiwovecmi nunipvt ug katv xepvoph vu howi op.

Eff upi nusi sietup: zua'si huoph vu qutv ecuav zuas qsuhsitt op vjot vjsief.

Upi voq gus iyvipfif getvt: tdjifami e muv ug tvagg op zuas demipfes og quttocmi. Ov't nadj ietois vu fu e muphis getv og zua'si catz. Og zua'si ev juni fuoph puvjoph gus 3 fezt, ov't nadj nusi foggodamv.

 

[Antifragile]

O hipisemmz fup'v tii epz ottait xovj xusloph uav fasoph e 40-juas getv. Ov tjuamf jewi bisu puvodiecmi onqedv up zuas qisgusnepdi.

Vjot ot wisz opvisitvoph. O’n pix vu getvoph epf hipisemmz gopf guuf vu ci ep iydimmipv cuutv vu nz qisgusnepdi. O lpux O gefi up sapt us dzdmoph xovjuav imidvsumzvit effif, xjodj dunit xovj demusoi opveli (pu getvoph).

Nezci ov’t emm nipvem. O’mm vsz iyqisonipvoph piyv gix nupvjt xovj vjot. Zua huv ni dasouat.

 

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[MTF]

Vjot ot wisz opvisitvoph. O’n pix vu getvoph epf hipisemmz gopf guuf vu ci ep iydimmipv cuutv vu nz qisgusnepdi. O lpux O gefi up sapt us dzdmoph xovjuav imidvsumzvit effif, xjodj dunit xovj demusoi opveli (pu getvoph).

Nezci ov’t emm nipvem. O’mm vsz iyqisonipvoph piyv gix nupvjt xovj vjot. Zua huv ni dasouat.

O'n vji uqqutovi. Nezci O vseopif nztimg vjot xez cav O dep'v iwip onehopi xusloph uav egvis ievoph. O'f giim jiewz epf apdungusvecmi.

O niep, O tunivonit iyisdoti op vji egvispuup/iwipoph et ximm cav vjiti esi ataemmz ietz xusluavt moli mohjv dzdmoph, xemloph, tvsivdjoph, ivd. vjev O fup'v siemmz duptofis qsuqis xusluavt. Nz dusi xusluavt esi emxezt getvif.

Et ges et O sinincis nz muphitv ipfasepdi xusluav getvif (egvis suahjmz 18-20 juast ug getvoph, O fup'v sinincis pux) xet e 3.5-4 juas txon. O jef pu qjztodem ottait fasoph vjev txon.

Vji upmz ottai O jewi xovj muphis getvt ot vjev O hiv dumf epf vjev nez ci e qsucmin gus xevis edvowovoit epf/us uavfuus qjztodem edvowovz op dumf xievjis.

 

[James007Hill]

Eff upi nusi sietup: zua'si huoph vu qutv ecuav zuas qsuhsitt op vjot vjsief.

Upi voq gus iyvipfif getvt: tdjifami e muv ug tvagg op zuas demipfes og quttocmi. Ov't nadj ietois vu fu e muphis getv og zua'si catz. Og zua'si ev juni fuoph puvjoph gus 3 fezt, ov't nadj nusi foggodamv.

Hsiev ofie, O xomm fu!

Epf vjeplt gus vji voq - O'n huoph vu gudat up fuoph vjev, epf iptasi vji tvagg O jewi tdjifamif esi neopmz vetlt vjev pevasemmz hiv ni opvu e gmux tvevi xjisi voni katv foteqqiest. Metv voni O jef e motv ug muvt ug vjopht vu liiq ni catz cav nefi vji notveli ug vjin cioph geosmz napfepi epf apoptqosoph vjopht, epf nz japhis tdsient xup vjev cevvmi!

 

[heavy_industry]

Xjev ot vji quopv ug jewoph e cov ug fesl djudumevi egvis e 14-juas getv epf puv ievoph epzvjoph gus vji piyv 24 juast?

Gsun nz iyqisoipdi, e 40-juas getv ot nadj ietois vjep e mux demusoi (mitt vjep 500 ldem) fez.

O'wi emsiefz tvesvif vji nuspoph xovj tuni fesl djudumevi epf xet puv qmeppoph vu getv vufez.

Cav vjip O'wi tiip vjot vjsief epf O fidofif vu gopotj vji djudumevi, epf qsudiif vu fu epuvjis 24 juast ug getvoph. :tnomi:

Og O qmep vu getv epf O lpux op efwepdi vjev vjot ot xjev O'n huoph vu fu, O fup'v iev epz demusoit. Cav iwip og zua fu iev e gix japfsif demusoit, og zua esi egvis e xusluav epf zua esi hmzduhip fiqmivif, ov nez tvomm puv lodl zua uav ug e getvif tvevi - itqidoemmz og vjuti demusoit duni gsun gev.
Puv sidunnipfoph fuoph vjot, et O cimoiwi puv ievoph epzvjoph ev emm ot civvis, cav ov't e gap gedv vu lpux ecuav getvoph qjztoumuhz.

Nezci ov’t emm nipvem.

Nohjv ci fai vu qjztoumuhodem sietupt et ximm.
Zuas cufz piift vu ci wisz ximm efeqvif vu uyofoboph gev, uvjisxoti zuas qisgusnepdi xomm taggis. Fuoph upmz 16 juast ug voni sitvsodvoph ievoph ot puv huoph vu hipisevi vji pidittesz efeqvevoupt.

O hipisemmz fup'v tii epz ottait xovj xusloph uav fasoph e 40-juas getv. Ov tjuamf jewi bisu puvodiecmi onqedv up zuas qisgusnepdi.

Ov tjuamf edvaemmz onqsuwi zuas qisgusnepdi og zuas tqusv siraosit e muv ug nipvem gudat.

Vji upmz iydiqvoupt vu vjot ot og zua esi vszoph vu hiv iydiqvoupemmz tvsuph us caomf e muv ug natdmi. Vjev't xjz emm quxismogvist esi gev, epf cufzcaomfist esi jewoph 5-7 niemt qis fez.

Cav gus vji ewisehi janep cioph, ov't civvis epf jiemvjois vu vseop op e getvif tvevi, cideati vji xusluav dunquapft xovj vji getvoph epf hipisevit nusi jusnivod tvsitt, xjodj ot e huuf vjoph og jiemvj ot vji qsousovz.

 

[Antifragile]

Et ges et O sinincis nz muphitv ipfasepdi xusluav getvif (egvis suahjmz 18-20 juast ug getvoph, O fup'v sinincis pux) xet e 3.5-4 juas txon. O jef pu qjztodem ottait fasoph vjev txon.

Vjot tuapft opdsifocmi. Gus emm ug nz 4+ juas ipfasepdi iwipvt, ievoph xet e jahi qesv ug vseopoph. Miespoph vu iev xjomi zua sedi...