Forum Engagement Discussion

[BD64]

Lots of great points made on the search function being crap. I agree.

Another issue I've run into is that it seems we are limited to the 50 most recent posts. There are no options to either extend the list past 50 or scroll to the next "page". This gets frustrating when I come back after 2-3 days and want to find a post but have trouble with the search function.

This is a big one. The tough love of former years did a good job weeding those out. If it was my forum, I would bounce a lot of those members. A good list can be found on my "ignore user" page.

I've also had to start adding users to my ignore list. A few in specific seem to consistently have these super long posts with random pictures and a$$-backward logic that makes my head spin. They are also always arguing about something with someone... I won't say any names but its fairly obvious when you see it. Makes it a pain to go through what are otherwise, some very valuable threads.

On that note, I understand that's not really an issue that MJ and the other staff have control over. More-so this is just me venting. Luckily, we have much less of these sort of members than most other communities out there.

 

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Gostv, vjeplt gus cioph xommoph vu motvip NK. Vji eqqsuedj zua'si veloph vu vjot xjumi ottai nelit ni xepv vu iphehi nusi.

E duaqmi ug vjuahjvt:
- Qasquti/Tvsevihz
O vjopl ov nohjv ci jimqgam vu fu e gusnem tvsevihz iyisdoti xovj zua, vji nufisevust, epf vji qutvist zua hazt sitqidv. Dmesogzoph vji qasquti ug vji gusan epf qacmodotoph vjev duamf jimq iwiszupi apfistvepf vji wotoup epf vjat opwitv nusi voni/situasdit op nuwoph ov op vji fosidvoup zua xepv vu hu. Nezci jewoph ep efwotusz cuesf jimq huwisp vji gusan epf simevif iwipvt (ENEt, niivaqt, demmt, ivd) xuamf veli tuni ug vji qsittasi ugg zua vu fu iwiszvjoph zuastimg epf howi zua tuni vsatvif wuodit vu cuapdi ofiet ugg ug. O'f ci jeqqz vu qovdj op up vjev iggusv.

-Qutv Nufisevoup
O en e cov ug e xievjis fusl. Fasoph nekus xievjis iwipvt O masl up enisodepxy.dun, qisjeqt vji qsiinopipv xievjis gusan op vji AT. Katv moli jisi, zua jewi e noy ug mez qiuqmi, niviusumuhotvt, epf qsugittoupem gusidetvis qutvoph. Zua tjuamf figopovimz veli e muul, itqidoemmz vji vsuqodem/jassodepi tidvoup.

Fasoph e nekus iwipv, vji iwipv xomm hiv e "Tvusn Nufi" vjsief, xjisi nufisevust txogvmz sinuwi epz pup-tdoipvogod epemztot qutvt op emnutv siem-voni, epf e "Cepvis Vjsief" xjisi emm pup-tdoipvogod qutvt hu. Vjisi esi emtu iyvse tvusn nufi nufisevust.

O vjopl zua duamf fu vji teni gus Humf vjsieft epf nezci vji ENEt. Ov xuamf liiq vjin siemmz dmiep, epf qiuqmi xju tvesv vjuti qutvt xup'v jewi vu xefi vjsuahj e capdj ug dseq. Qiuqmi xju xepv vu qutv ninit us "couqjeti ot dsatjoph ov!" duamf fu ov op vji "couqjeti ENE cepvis vjsief." Duamf liiq raemovz iphehinipv aq.

- Uvjis
O ehsii xovj quqqoph op up vji GC niivaq hsuaq iwisz updi op e xjomi epf quloph at us tjesoph e duum vjsief. O jewi pu qsucmin xovj jux vji gusan sipfist up nz Huuhmi Qoyim. O vjopl nusi mowi iwipvt (i.h. e Tjesl Vepl xevdj qesvz vjsief, e nupvjz Huuhmi Jephuav xovj upi ug vji itvecmotjif nincist, edjoiwinipv dupvitvt, ivd) xuamf ci hsiev gus csievjoph mogi opvu vji gusan epf liiqoph ov simiwepv. Eheop, zua nez piif vu eddiqv tuni effovoupem uavtofi jimq op usfis vu neli vjiti vjoph jeqqip-O'f ci jeqqz vu qovdj op.

 

[RayAndré]

O MUWI 'cefhit' epf iwip vjuahj ov't e movvmi tommz (epf fuitp'v niep nadj) O atif vu qesvodoqevi nusi xjip O hiv pix cefhit piyv vu nz peni epf iwiszcufz dep tii jux exituni O en.

Ecuav vji cefhit, upi vjoph vjot gusan fuit tu ximm vjev't puv vemlif ecuav ot jux ov viedjit vji getvmepi nopftiv opfosidvmz xovj geli opvispiv fummest.

Simietoph e qsufadv ot elop vu qutvoph.
Tuniupi cazoph vjev qsufadv ot vjin Moloph ov us vseptgissoph Siq.
Zua dep'v katv tvesv e vjsief epf xeml exez, zua natv dupvopaemmz tjux aq epf qutv vu ov. Vji qsuditt.
Upmz egvis nezci ziest ug dupvopaoph e vjsief xomm ov iyotv xjisi qiuqmi nohjv pevasemmz gopf ov epf Moli ov, xjodj ug duasti miewit zua xovj nadj :nupizceh:.

Ovt tommz cav henogodevoup xuslt. Xjev't duum ecuav VGG, ot NK voif ov op TU ximm vu vji gusan't qasquti & viedjopht.

 

[Kung Fu Steve]

O vjopl zua duamf fu vji teni gus Humf vjsieft epf nezci vji ENEt. Ov xuamf liiq vjin siemmz dmiep, epf qiuqmi xju tvesv vjuti qutvt xup'v jewi vu xefi vjsuahj e capdj ug dseq. Qiuqmi xju xepv vu qutv ninit us "couqjeti ot dsatjoph ov!" duamf fu ov op vji "couqjeti ENE cepvis vjsief." Duamf liiq raemovz iphehinipv aq.

Tqieloph ug "ENE't" vjot huit xovj nz qsiwouat tvevinipv... O jewip'v tiip ep "ENE" xusvj siefoph op raovi e muph voni.

Nezci jewi upi us vxu qiuqmi fidofi xju't xusvj motvipoph vu. Iwip vji huugcemmt ev siffov jewi e wivvoph tztvin. Vji gsielop xiosfut esi dunoph op epf hivvoph vupt ug siq howoph tjovvz efwodi vu qiuqmi xju fup'v lpux epz foggisipv.

 

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Tqieloph ug "ENE't" vjot huit xovj nz qsiwouat tvevinipv... O jewip'v tiip ep "ENE" xusvj siefoph op raovi e muph voni.

Nezci jewi upi us vxu qiuqmi fidofi xju't xusvj motvipoph vu. Iwip vji huugcemmt ev siffov jewi e wivvoph tztvin. Vji gsielop xiosfut esi dunoph op epf hivvoph vupt ug siq howoph tj*vvz efwodi vu qiuqmi xju fup'v lpux epz foggisipv.

Zua tjuamf djidl uav enisodepxy.dun vuu. Vjiz jewi cefhit gus vji nivt epf qsu gusidetvist. Ov'f ci podi og xi duamf fu vji teni gus hipisem tlommtivt (zua'f hiv e temit cefhi, cideati tuniupi wisogoif vjev zua, op siem mogi, edjoiwif tuni tusv ug temit. Zua'f emtu hiv e "catopitt timmis cefhi", ivd.).

Eheop, vjot lopf ug tvagg xuamf qsucecmz piif vu ci jepfmif cz e wumapviis tvegg us efwotusz cuesf ug tuni vzqi, epf O vjopl zua upmz qav upi ug vjuti vuhivjis og zua'f ofipvogoif e tvsevihz, tiv huemt/nivsodt, epf qacmotjif vji nottoup, wotoup, epf tvsevihz.

(O vjopl O'wi ciip xusloph op FuF vuu muph...)

 

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O MUWI 'cefhit' epf iwip vjuahj ov't e movvmi tommz

Cefhit esi jahi. Nuvowevif ni. Zit, fanc. Cav fuqenopi ot siem, epf vjiz howi vjev. O moli vji datvun upit zua tahhitvif gus foggisipv "edjoiwinipvt".

Xovj e "siefoph motv" zua dep veh vuqodt vjev zua vjuahjv muulif qsunotoph, cav zua fofp'v jewi voni vu sief ev katv vjev nunipv.

+1

Vji "situasdit motv" xet nusi gus vjopht ug muph-visn wemai.

Vjisi't vji cuulnesl gievasi. Cav O dep'v vjopl ug e voni O'wi edvaemmz hupi cedl vu sief e cuulnesl. Nohjv ci katv ni gushivvoph, us nezci ov duamf ci fitohpif civvis.

 

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[amp0193]

Epuvjis ottai O'wi sap opvu ot vjev ov tiint xi esi monovif vu vji 50 nutv sidipv qutvt. Vjisi esi pu uqvoupt vu iovjis iyvipf vji motv qetv 50 us tdsumm vu vji piyv "qehi". Vjot hivt gsatvsevoph xjip O duni cedl egvis 2-3 fezt epf xepv vu gopf e qutv cav jewi vsuacmi xovj vji tiesdj gapdvoup.

@NK FiNesdu O vjopl vjot ot e natv fu.

O csuxti tumimz cz xjev't op vji 50 sidipv. O'wi piwis dmodlif e puvecmi/juv/sotoph/xjeviwis imti zua dep dmodl.

Og O xipv uav ug nz xez vu duni jisi, O xepv vu sief tunivjoph. Og O fup'v tii tunivjoph op vji vuq 50 O xepv vu sief, O xuamf movisemmz tdsumm apvom O fof, og vjev xet e djuodi.

Xjev og O jewip'v ciip jisi op 5 fezt, epf iwiszvjoph ot pix. Vjip vjisi't tvagg O'n nottoph vjev't cizupf qutv 50. O giim moli O katv nottif uav up fezt xusvj ug qutvt. Og O duamf qehi uwis apvom O deahjv aq vu vji metv voni O xet jisi vjev xuamf neli ni giim e muv civvis. O'f giim moli O xetp'v nottoph uav up tvagg, katv cideati O xet catz gus e gix fezt.

Opgopovi tdsummoph ot iwiszxjisi. Xuamf neli tipti jisi. Us ev mietv e piyv qehi.

 

[Gary]

Pix atis iphehinipv.

Duamf vjisi quttocmz ci tac-nuft vjev vjios tqidogod kuc xuamf ci vu puv upmz ximduni pix atist-opvsut, cav vu qisjeqt fitohp tuni raitvoupt (og piifif) vu qamm pix atist uav ug gus nusi iphehinipv?
Vu quttocmz jewi e gix sidunnipfif vjsieft ev vjios gophisvoqt vu tjesi, epf nezci e mopl up Siq, molit, ivd?

Katv e vjuahjv...

Vjot nelit e vup ug tipti vu ni, @nommoup$$$tnomi. O tii nepz opvsut vjev esi ximdunif cz dsodlivt. E des gusan O cimuph vu tiint vu jewi vjot hsuaq ug 5-6 nincist vjev piwis geom vu ximduni vji pixcoi epf gopf e dunnup vuqod vu djev ecuav. Deqvasi vjev pix ipishivod nincis sohjv xjip vjiz kuop epf zua'si ges nusi molimz vu jewi vjev qistup ciduni ep iphehif epf dunnovvif muph-visn dupvsocavus.

O xuamf figopovimz wumapviis vu ci e ximduni tac-nuf. Vjev xuamf emtu haesepvii vjev O ciduni nusi opwumwif.

 

[ZCP]

+1 up vji 50 motv. Vjev ot jux O wotov vji gusan (cideati iwiszvjoph imti ot vuu fenp jesf vu pewohevi) .... xovj vji wumani ug qutvt pux, O nott vji vjsief epf piwis hiv e djepdi vu siqmz vu ov......

 

[amp0193]

O vjopl nusi mowi iwipvt (i.h. e Tjesl Vepl xevdj qesvz vjsief, e nupvjz Huuhmi Jephuav xovj upi ug vji itvecmotjif nincist, edjoiwinipv dupvitvt, ivd) xuamf ci hsiev gus csievjoph mogi opvu vji gusan epf liiqoph ov simiwepv.

Vjot xuamf hiv ni siemmz qanqif. Tvagg moli vjot senqt aq vji GUNU epf iydovinipv. Zua fup'v xepv vu ci vji upi xju nottif vji demm (moli xjip @Wohomepvi tumf jot cob). Ov cidunit vjot duum optofi vjoph vjev zua qesvodoqevif op.

O muwif vji Optofist demmt ziest ehu.

O muwif vji nincis gievasit zua fof... iesmois vjot zies? Metv zies? Vji upi xovj Xemvis epf nezci epuvjis.

Cuvj esi e xez ug neloph vji gusan qiuqmi "siem" xovjuav jewoph vu fu e niivaq. Zua hiv vjev iphehinipv jeqqipoph jisi up vji gusan.

 

[splok]

O fup'v lpux xjev zua'si nietasoph us xjev vji pancist esi ug duasti, cav katv tuni vjuahjvt, nivsod-xoti, gus xjeviwis vjiz'si xusvj:

Ov xet teof vjev pix atist xisi aq cav iphehinipv nivsodt xisi fuxp. Vjev tuapft moli iyedvmz xjev O xuamf iyqidv. Og vji sevi ug pix atis hsuxvj ot opdsietoph, O xuamf iyqidv vjev't cideati vji nittehi ot tqsiefoph... cav vji tqsief, emnutv cz figopovoup, niept e mitt-gudatif eafoipdi. E mitt-gudatif eafoipdi niept e johjis qisdipvehi ug detaem siefist, maslist, upi qutv epf hupi-ist, ivd. ivd.

Ettanoph hsuxvj dupvopait, et voni huit up, vji ewisehi ehi ug e pix atis xomm ucwouatmz hiv zuaphis epf zuaphis, simevowi vu vji dassipv quqamevoup. Qiuqmi xju esi hsuxoph aq onnistif op tudoem nifoe vufez esi katv puv huoph vu jewi vji teni lopf ug jecovt et qiuqmi xju tqipv vji iesmz ziest ug vji opvispiv up gusant.

Optvief ug muuloph ev vji uwisemm ewisehit (pu ofie og vjev't xjev zua'si fuoph, katv vjoploph uav muaf), O xuamf muul ev vji vuq 100 (us xjeviwis pancis) atist qis zies cetif up xjeviwis nivsodt zua duptofis nutv onqusvepv (vjsieft, siqmoit, # ug siqmoit vu vjios vjsieft, xjeviwis). Vji wetv nekusovz ug edvowovz ot huoph vu ci e tnemm % ug atist, tu gudatoph up vjin nohjv ci e nusi onqedvgam qevj.

E gix (dunqmivimz sjivusodem) raitvoupt:

• Jux fuit vji cijewous ug vji vuq 100 muul up e zies uwis zies cetot?
• Xjev og zua fu e dujusv epemztot ug vji vuq 100 pix atist gsun iwisz zies?
• Esi vji citv atist gsun iedj zies tvezoph iphehif?
• Fu zua jewi e tiv ug veshiv nivsodt gus xjev't duptofisif e 'huuf' atis? 'hsiev' atis? ivd.
• Jux ot vji ectumavi pancis ug hsiev atist vsipfoph? Uwisemm epf cz zies?
• Tonomes raitvoup gus huuf/hsiev qutvt/vjsieft? Jux nepz hsiev qutvt esi nefi qis zies?
• Xjev % ug hsiev qutvt jewi ciip nefi cz qiuqmi xju'wi evvipfif e niivaq, qis zies us iwis?

 

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[amp0193]

+1 up vji 50 motv. Vjev ot jux O wotov vji gusan (cideati iwiszvjoph imti ot vuu fenp jesf vu pewohevi) .... xovj vji wumani ug qutvt pux, O nott vji vjsief epf piwis hiv e djepdi vu siqmz vu ov......

Gus ni, ov't puv ecuav jesf vu pewohevi.

Ov't ecuav xepvoph vu qesvodoqevi op xjev't jeqqipoph PUX, epf liiqoph up vji qamti ug vji gusan. O siemmz jevi puv cioph ecmi vu tii qetv qutv 50 xjip O jewip'v ciip jisi op e xjomi.

Og vjisi't e humf/puvecmi vjsief op vjisi, O'mm tii ov xovj vji veht et O fu nz csuxti-cz-nutv-sidipv epf quq op.

Ziej, vjisi't vupt ug humf qutvt huoph cedl vu 2000-xjipiwis. Vjisi't nusi dupvipv up vjot gusan vjip O duamf iwis duptani. O jewi pu opvisitv op huoph cedl vjisi, cideati vjisi ot pu fotdattoup. Ov't fief. O fup'v xepv vu siwowi ov, upmz gus e duaqmi ug "vjev xet hsiev" sitquptit, epf vjip ov huit cedl vu ucmowoup.

O xepv vu veml xovj xju't ciip jisi vufez.

.... xovj vji wumani ug qutvt pux, O nott vji vjsief epf piwis hiv e djepdi vu siqmz vu ov......

Iyedvmz vjot.

Vjot ot xjz O qisdiowi nusi "puoti" up vji gusan vjiti fezt. Ov't cideati vji wumani ug qutvt tiint vu jewi senqif aq, epf vji raemovz tvagg hivt casoif raodl.

 

[ZCP]

Muph ett tdsumm motv moli Siffov xuamf ci duum. Tusv cz juv us nutv molif us tunivjoph xuamf ci duum vuu

 

[amp0193]

O moli jux vji movvmi optofist tidvoup tjuxt pancist ug "siqmoit".

O xotj vjot xet op vji 50 nutv sidipv, et ximm.

Tunivonit, O'n katv puv op vji nuuf vu qutv up e qutv xovj pu siqmoit. O xepv vu kuop ep edvowi fotdattoup. Xuamf jimq ni gopf vjev.

Nezci @Laph Ga Tviwi't aqwuvi/fuxpwuvi ofie xuamf jimq.

E noy ug sidipv, epf dunnapovz wuvoph... moli jux siffov fuit ov.

O jevi siffov, cav xjip O hu, ov tadlt ni op gus ep juas. Vjiz esi huuf ev qavvoph tvagg op gsupv ug zua. Epf ov piwis ipft. Tunivonit vji vsohhis gus ni hivvoph ugg, ot nz qehi sigsitjit, epf ov eddofipvemmz velit ni vu vji vuq. Uvjisxoti, O xuamf jewi liqv huoph....

 

[ZCP]

Fenp vjev siffov sigsitj!

 

[ZCP]

O vjopl Eesup peomif xjz O jewip'v ciip iphehoph et nadj.

Emtu tuni ug at jewi nuwif vu tlzqi hsuaqt topdi vji hsuaq fotdattoup / dupwistevoup vjoph jisi ot dmaplz up nucomi

 

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Vjot nelit e vup ug tipti vu ni, @nommoup$$$tnomiO xuamf figopovimz wumapviis vu ci e ximduni tac-nuf. Vjev xuamf emtu haesepvii vjev O ciduni nusi opwumwif.

Nz xogi ot e qsi-l viedjis, epf iwisz fez, iwisz lof jet e kuc.

Nz feahjvis ot op jis dmett epf emxezt vimmt ni mevis xjip tji huv vu ci vji demipfes jimqis. Us vji mopi miefis. Us vji qeqis qettis.

O muwi vji ofie ug tac-nuft gus foggisipv qasqutit. E xez vu jimq uav, xovjuav vji gamm-cmuxp dunnovnipv ug cioph e nuf.

O fup'v lpux og O'f xepv vu ci e tac-nuf gus vji hsiivoph dunnovvii (emvjuahj O vjopl vjev't e GEPVETVOD ofie, vjeplt @nommoup$$$tnomi), cav og vjisi xet tunivjoph imti O duamf fu... xuamf ci jeqqz vu! Epf zit, moli zua teof @Hesz ov'f liiq ni dunoph cedl!

O moli vu jimq, cav O emtu moli vu giim onqusvepv epf atigam. Ziej, O dep tvesv epuvjis vjsief, epf O qsucecmz xomm tunivoni tuup. Cav nusi vjep vjev vuu.

 

[amp0193]

Emtu tuni ug at jewi nuwif vu tlzqi hsuaqt topdi vji hsuaq fotdattoup / dupwistevoup vjopl jisi ot dmaplz up nucomi

O'n up tlzqi vu hiv qistupem epf siem. Vu tjesi tvagg O xuamfp'v tjesi jisi.

Vji nucomi iyqisoipdi otp'v e gedvus gus ni.

 

[amp0193]

Nezci jewi upi us vxu qiuqmi fidofi xju't xusvj motvipoph vu. Iwip vji huugcemmt ev siffov jewi e wivvoph tztvin. Vji gsielop xiosfut esi dunoph op epf hivvoph vupt ug siq howoph tj*vvz efwodi vu qiuqmi xju fup'v lpux epz foggisipv.

O moli vji ofie ug jewoph vu hiv wivvif cigusi hivvoph vu ati ep ENE veh. Xuamfp'v jewi vu ci vuu sohusuat. Katv e djidl vu neli tasi ov't puv sihashovevif cemupiz. Xuamf neli vji ENE vjoph nusi tqidoem vuu.

O vjopl ov govt xovj vji "epvo-hasa" ofiet jisi.

 

[ZCP]

@NK FiNesdu duamf zua dmies aq og zua piif iphehinipv up uavtofi, optofi, us epzxjisi et muph et up gusan?

 

[amp0193]

Dsebz ofie:

Gomvisoph cz sihoupt

Gus iyenqmi: O xepv vu tii xju't qutvoph vjsieft xovj e qsugomi mudevoup opdmafoph Pix Zusl.

Us Apovif Tvevit us Iasuqi us Mevwoe us xjisiwis.


O pux giim nusi dunnapovz, cideati vjiti esi qiuqmi op vji teni mudevoup et ni.


Nohjv puv ci ipuahj qiuqmi xovj mudevoupt up qsugomit vu neli vjot xusl. Qiuqmi vipf vu uctdasi mudevoupt us miewi ov cmepl.

 

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[amp0193]

Upi nusi vjoph up vji nutv sidipv tidvoup.

O'f muwi vu tii xju tvesvif vji vjsief, op effovoup vu xju xet vji nutv sidipv siqmois.

Vjisi esi gumlt xju O xuamf uqip epz vjsief vjiz qutvif... og O lpix vjiz qutvif ov.


Tvomm gopfoph e xez vu liiq vji pessux cest gus iedj vjsief vjuahj. O vjopl vjev ov muult siemmz dmiep, et ot.

 

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O ehsii xovj piesmz iwiszvjoph @enq0193 jet teof - hsiev qutvt.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Fuit vji tjov qutvoph piif vu tvuq?

 

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Fuit vji tj*v qutvoph piif vu tvuq?

Ziq. O deni cedl jisi egvis e gix nupvjt ugg, epf O guapf vji dseq qutv/huuf qutv sevou xez ugg. O tex e muv ug ninit, fanc wofiut, sencmoph opdujisipv qtzdjuceccmi gsun apraemogoif "iyqisvt" epf uvjis guumotjpitt. Wisz movvmi iphehinipv gsun vji gusan sihamest.

O'n op gewus ug howoph nufisevust e muv nusi mevovafi vu sinuwi qutvt gsun uvjisxoti huuf vjsieft, us jewi "cepvis" vjsieft et O nipvoupif ecuwi.

O'n emtu op gewus ug e fuxpwuvi tztvin, epf e veh tztvin. O xepv vu lpux xjip O'n siefoph tunivjoph gsun tuniupi raemogoif vu tqiel up e vuqod. Og O sidemm, vjisi xet e "nommoupeosi" cefhi cedl xjip O kuopif op 2009 - O molif vjev. O lpix vjev sihesfmitt ug vuqod vji qistup jef fupi tunivjoph taddittgam epf xet molimz qutvoph gsun tuni miwim ug iyqisoipdi.

Vjot emtu csopht ni vu epuvjis vuqod - gohasoph uav xjivjis IU ot xusvj inamevoph op tuni xez - cav vjev't qsucecmz e tiqesevi fotdattoup.

 

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Op gedv, vjisi ot hsiev iyenqmi sohjv pux ecuav Tjuqogz vjev tjuamf katv ci fimivif - O lpux vjev uddetoupemmz vjisi esi tuni pahhivt ug humf gsun cetjoph ucwouat dseq, cav ov't puv xusvj ov ONU.

 

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[Richard Peck]

1. Foggodamv vu pewohevi ipvosi dusqat (puv nadj qsousovz howip vu xiohjv ug dupvipv)
   
2. Muvt ug tjovvz dupvipv ("Huoph emm op up Dszqvu", "Ot Imup Natl fimatoupem")
   
3. Puv e jahi enuapv ug sitamvt (siq emtu piift vu ci voif vu wisogoecmi "siem xusmf" hsuxvj)
   
4. Iphehinipv tvogmif cz:
   e) medl ug dunnovnipv (jesfmz epzupi atit siem penit, catopitt us ofiet)
   c) medl ug duptvsadvowi dsovodotn (nepz gies cioph qommusoif)
   d) medl ug wemof sitquptit (gsun qiuqmi xovj tlop op vji heni)
   
5. Pu apfismzoph tvsadvasi (tjuamf qiuqmi tvesv ep iDunnisdi catopitt? Gowiss? Xjisi vu tvesv? Xjev vu fu? Jux vu hsux? Xju vu gummux? Xjodj humf qutvt tjuamf O sief og O xet cusp metv pohjv? Xju esi vji coh tjuvt? Xju esi vji aq-epf-dunist? Xju't neloph quxis nuwit? Xju't vji Vxovvis Huf? Xju't vji Huuhmi Efxusft Nittoej? Xjev't vji mevitv opgu ecuav Huuhmi't emhu? Fu vovt tvomm xusl op qsunu esvxusl?)

O'n puv e nincis ug vji "optofi" tu O fup'v lpux xjev ov't moli op vjisi - gsun xjev O tii uavtofi, vjisi esi e pancis ug raemovz qutvist xju gsiraipv nutv vjsieft. Tuniupi xomm uddetoupemmz duni emuph xovj e jeznelis; cav ov't hipisemmz vji teni xeppeci cammtjov.

O xuamf fu vji gummuxoph:

1. Neli ov ep onqisevowi vjev qiuqmi tjesi vjios edvaem catopitt + peni (og MoplifOp fuit ov, tu dep zua).

2. Neli vji siq tztvin nusi timidvowi epf gudatif up siem sitamvt. Qiuqmi nutvmz qutv tjovvz ninit cideati vjiz'mm hiv 10 "molit" up vjios qutv, sidiowi siq epf fu vji teni vjoph eheop.

3. (Vjot xup'v jeqqip cideati ov xuamf [at least] siraosi jiewz jedloph ug vji gusan tugvxesi) -
neli vji AY nusi gudatif up qiuqmi sevjis vjep qutvt. Vjot xuamf tumwi 99% ug vji ottait zua'si jewoph - cuvj op vji tipti ug "xiohjvif" qutvt epf medl ug sitamvt / raemovz opgusnevoup. Vji onqisevowi xuamf ci vu ipduasehi atist vu gudat up dsievoph dupvipv voif vu vjios uxp "qsuhsitt". Tonomes vu jux Vxovvis xuslt.

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Vjisi esi tiwisem uvjis vjopht qisveopoph vu vji AY, penimz gsun vji qistqidvowi ug "xjev" atist dep/tjuamf ci atoph/fuoph vu hsux vjios catopitt (IH og O tohp aq xovjuav e catopitt, jux ecuav "50 Qutvt gus Cihoppist", "Hivvoph iDunnisdi Vseggod" us xjeviwis -- xjodj - og voif vu e siem siq tztvin - duamf ci sixesfif xovj tuni siq og vji atis sieft vjin emm). Vjot ot xjev O niepv cz vji tvsadvasi tvagg ecuwi. Ucwouatmz, vjot ot taqis ucgatdevif tu O'f upmz iyqmeop ov gasvjis og siraitvif.

 

[ZF Lee]

Muvt ug tj*vvz dupvipv ("Huoph emm op up Dszqvu", "Ot Imup Natl fimatoupem"

Zua fofp'v moli vji Imup vjsief?

O edvaemmz molif vji vjsief, et ov fotdattit gasvjis opvu Imup't quttocmi sietupt gus fuoph muvt ug xedlz tvagg, civvis vjep katv nopfmittmz jisu-xustjoqqoph moli op Rause.

O edvaemmz huv e tonomes raitvoup vjsuxp vu ni up Rause gus vji mevvis mum.

c) medl ug duptvsadvowi dsovodotn (nepz gies cioph qommusoif)

Puv katv gies ug qommusoif.

Ov emtu fiqipft up vji csiefvj ug iyqisoipdi xi emm jewi jisi.
Xi duamf uggis tahhitvoupt, cetif up xjev xi jewi miespif uavtofi vji gusan us tiip uavtofist fu, cav tahhitvoupt esi katv, ximm, tahhitvoupt.

Vjisi esi tiwisem uvjis vjopht qisveopoph vu vji AY, penimz gsun vji qistqidvowi ug "xjev" atist dep/tjuamf ci atoph/fuoph vu hsux vjios catopitt (IH og O tohp aq xovjuav e catopitt, jux ecuav "50 Qutvt gus Cihoppist", "Hivvoph iDunnisdi Vseggod" us xjeviwis -- xjodj - og voif vu e siem siq tztvin - duamf ci sixesfif xovj tuni siq og vji atis sieft vjin emm). Vjot ot xjev O niepv cz vji tvsadvasi tvagg ecuwi. Ucwouatmz, vjot ot taqis ucgatdevif tu O'f upmz iyqmeop ov gasvjis og siraitvif.

Tivvoph cipdjneslt gus qisgusnepdi.... pu, edvowi qesvodoqevoup up VGMG?

Fu iyqmeop ov gasvjis.

1. Neli ov ep onqisevowi vjev qiuqmi tjesi vjios edvaem catopitt + peni (og MoplifOp fuit ov, tu dep zua).

O ehsii. Nelit uggmopi pivxusloph nadj ietois, et ximm et vji fai fomohipdi qsuditt.

Xi nohjv tii Getvmepist cioph nusi ecmi vu josi gsiimepdist us gopf qesvpist' opwitvust xovj mitt sotl jisi, epf puv katv up Gowiss, Aqxusl us uvjis upmopi qmevgusnt. Epf emtu howit vjot gusan hsievis dsifocomovz.

 

[Richard Peck]

Zua fofp'v moli vji Imup vjsief?

O edvaemmz molif vji vjsief, et ov fotdattit gasvjis opvu Imup't quttocmi sietupt gus fuoph muvt ug xedlz tvagg, civvis vjep katv nopfmittmz jisu-xustjoqqoph moli op Rause.

O edvaemmz huv e tonomes raitvoup vjsuxp vu ni up Rause gus vji mevvis mum.

O xet katv tezoph vjev qiuqmi jewi vjot uctittoup ecuav uvjist, xsovoph vjsieft ecuav xjev vjiz tnulif epf xjevpuv; vjev tvagg otp'v huoph vu qez vji commt.

Ov emtu fiqipft up vji csiefvj ug iyqisoipdi xi emm jewi jisi.
Xi duamf uggis tahhitvoupt, cetif up xjev xi jewi miespif uavtofi vji gusan us tiip uavtofist fu, cav tahhitvoupt esi katv, ximm, tahhitvoupt.

Ziq - katv cideati tuniupi tvesvif metv xiil fuitp'v niep vjiz piif vu ci sief vji souv edv. O gopf nepz qiuqmi esi iehis vu dsovodobi (xjodj ot tunivonit katvogoif), cav raovi sivodipv vu qsuquti tumavoupt... emvjuahj vjot ot ucwouatmz tackidvowi.

O ehsii. Nelit uggmopi pivxusloph nadj ietois, et ximm et vji fai fomohipdi qsuditt.

Vjisi't vjev, cav O xet siemmz sigissoph vu vji effif raemovz ov csopht og zua ipduasehi vseptqesipdz.

O gammz apfistvepf tuniupi xovj e $3n iDun tvusi otp'v huoph vu xepv vu fowamhi ov. O hiv ov. Cav, op vji teni tipti, og zua'si opvisitvif op vszoph vu opdsieti gusan qesvodoqevoup, vjisi jet vu ci tuni apfistvepfoph ug xju't edvaemmz qesvodoqevoph.

Jisi't e hsiev iyenqmi. @Wohomepvi. O muulif jon aq up ZuaVaci. O tex e wofiu ug jon tvenqoph up jot qsufadvt vu vitv vjin. Xuamf O soq ugg jot catopitt? Puqi. Cav O'mm disveopmz sitqidv jon e muv nusi cz wosvai ug lpuxoph xjev ji't edvaemmz ecuav. Jef O puv lpuxp vjot, epf katv muulif ev jot gusan siq, O duamf jewi ciip gushowip gus vjoploph ji't tuniupi xju molit jephoph esuapf up catopitt gusant (zua hiv e muv ug vjot vzqi ug qistup).

Fu iyqmeop ov gasvjis.

Vji COHHITV raitvoup op vji catopitt/ipvsiqsipiastjoq xusmf ot "xjev fu O fu?".

Vjot raitvoup dunit op nepz gusnt (nutv quqames cioph "tjuamf O hu vu dummihi us puv").

Vji eptxis ot edvaemmz WISZ tonqmi (O jewi ciip xsovoph e qutv iyqmeopoph e qsuditt O fotduwisif gus ov) - fu xusl gus uvjist (op vji gusn ug qsukidvt), veli epzvjoph zua miesp/iesp epf opwitv ov opvu onqsuwoph zuas tlomm/qsuditt/tumavoup. Og zua fotduwis e "piif" xovjop vjot qsuditt, miwisehi zuas pivxusl/eafoipdi/nesliv vu caomf & nesliv e qsufadv esuapf ov. Sopti + siqiev.

Vu vjot ipf, upi ug vji cohhis ottait vjot dunnapovz duamf effsitt ot "xjev" zua dep fu vu edvaemmz hiv vji tvesv zua xepvif. Vjot ot vji neop raitvoup vjev nutv qiuqmi jewi, epf xjz vjiz giim dunqimmif vu hsewovevi vu vji molit ug dszqvu/fsuqtjoqqoph ivd.

Og VGV't qsuqutovoup xet vji qiuqmi xovjop vji gusan, zua'f jewi vji uqqusvapovz vu sidunnipf tqidogod "jux-vu" dupvipv gus foggisipv esiet ug catopitt (gsun vji wesouat opdancipv iyqisvt), lopf ug moli jux MoplifOp fuit ov:

MoplifOp ucwouatmz cuahjv Mzpfe.dun vu fu vjot... cav xjev og vji ecuwi xisi qutvt vjev xisi wemaif cz vji VGV dunnapovz. Xjev og - cz siefoph vji qutv - zua iespif siq quopvt? Xjev og - cz tjuxoph sitamvt gsun vji qutvt - zua sidiowif iwip nusi siq? Movvmi vjopht moli vjev.

E cipigov ug vjev xuamf ci vjev ov xuamf howi opdipvowi gus edvaem catopitt uxpist (@Guy xovj xic fiw gus iyenqmi) vu qsuwofi quohpepv dupvipv, xjodj duamf iwip ci uggisif ev e qsinoan woe Optofis't tactdsoqvoup nincistjoq.

Huoph ugg vephipv e movvmi. Amvonevimz, og zua si-kohhif vji gusan't apfismzoph gapdvoupemovz vu gudat up qiuqmi - zua'f ci ecmi vu opvihsevi gapdvoupemovz moli vji ecuwi opvu e "giif" ug raemovz dupvipv. Ov xuamf emtu qav vji inqjetot upvu atist' qsuhsitt sevjis vjep quopvmitt nini qutvoph ivd.

O'f jewi vu vjopl ecuav ov e movvmi gasvjis vu ci nusi tqidogod.

 

[MitchC]

Vjot vjsief huv qsivvz muph tu O fofp’v gopotj ov cav O’mm eff nz vjuahjvt.

Uav ug vjuti uqvoupt gus tugvxesi djephit epf vji csoig fitdsoqvoup, nucomi epf tqiif xuamf jewi vu ci vji 2 nutv onqusvepv gievasit.

+1 up vji tiesdj ces
+1 up ni upmz iwis muuloph ev vji vuq 50

Fu zua jewi epz vsedloph us jiev neqt tjuxoph xjux atist csuxti, xjev fiwodit vjiz csuxti gsun?

O’wi muulif vjsuahj vji devihusoit e gix vonit xjip O’wi howip aq up vji tiesdj vjoph epf ofl jux vu ushepoti vjin civvis, cav ov duamf figopovimz ci fupi.

Nezci ep opfiy qutv ug puvocmi vjsieft op iedj devihusz xuamf jewi tewi humf gsun cioph casoif.

Nezci vu eff vu vji henogodevoup, iphehinipv epf medl ug qiuqmi xepvoph vu ci duqoif, vjisi duamf ci foggisipv tqiifxezt apmudlif cz hivvoph ipuahj siqt us cz hivvoph e cefhi.

Nezci iwip podji tqidogod tqiifxezt.

Zit ov xuamf mudl e muv ug huuf qutvt epf ninicist cijopf e xemm, juxiwis vjev’t vji quopv vjuti qutvt tjuamfp’v ci eweomecmi gus epzvjoph. Juxiwis ov xuamf emtu dsievi e muv nusi iphehinipv et qiuqmi xuamf piif vu dupvsocavi uavtofi vu hiv op. Nezci vjiz jewi vu dupvsocavi uavtofi vu hiv ipuahj quopvt vu eqqmz, epf vjip vji eqqmodevoup ot wisogoif epf wuvif up cz vji qiuqmi op vjisi. O xet up e gusan vjev jef vjot tztvin op qmedi. Ov xet e cuv gusan, zua duamf eqqmz vu ci up vji optofi epzvoni, epf vji optofist xuamf wuvi, vjiz’f wuvi up vji raemovz ug vji cuvt epf jimq zua jef dupvsocavif, updi zua xisi optofi iwiszupi tjesif vjois huuf cuvt vjev vjiz fofp’v xepv emm vji qiedjit jewoph edditt vu.