Fox's 2019 Make $100k Starting Web Design from Scratch Challenge

[srodrigo]

I didn't have a lot of bad experience with fixed-price type projects. They were quite small with not too much that can go wrong and those parts were estimated accordingly (average between smooth and completely wrong). Still had a project that took ~180 hours instead of ~120 estimated and a single task that took 40 instead of 4 (and that was one line of code bug fix in an open source project lol). There was also quite the opposite sometimes, like a project done in ~60 hours that was estimated 200+.

Doesn't sound too bad. I don't know what are your margins though, but I've seen here some people charging over 10k for static websites; those take a few weeks to build, so you can imagine the large margins we are talking about. That's why I say the risk of Type 2 projects doesn't pay off to me, given the extra amount of work (which implies a price increase) and the technical risks. But there might be people who still keep good margins with this kind of projects. It's just not what I've seen personally.

We thought of focusing on the team-as-service model. So dedicated developers that the client needs to complete/support his project. But prospects that can afford this are quite big businesses/funded startups with long-term projects. Those are even harder to find and usually requires a small fixed-price project to evaluate our team.

They are hard, but they exist. In some European cities they aren't even hard to find. You need top quality developers though that make a big impact.

I mean that they don't take a big part in the client's decision making. The clients decide what? and why? the developers how?.
Example tasks from the client:

• Add those fields there, here are the formulas.
• Integrate XXX feed for news
• Make a window that would do XX

And the developers sometimes don't even know why would a client want that and what value that would add to him or his users. So there's an opportunity of adding more value here too, but that would require some expertise in the client's business/domain.

The whole point of software development is not building stuff as someone else commands, but understanding the business and domain, so you can not only build the features better, but suggest improvements. There is no other way to really add value and get paid accordingly.

There are even strategies to make more impact in the decisions, like providing less technical roles like business analysts, than can work closer with stakeholders (often, developers can't when clients are big).

 

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[WillHurtDontCare]

Xusvj puvoph: hiv et nadj ug vji dupvipv vjev zua piif gsun zuas dmoipv aq gsupv ev vji cihoppoph vu noponobi fimezt gsun tmux sitqupti voni. O jewi ep Aqxusl qsukidv vjev tjuamf jewi velip 3 fezt tvsivdj opvu uwis 2 xiilt cideati vji dmoipv velit e fez vu sitqupf vu iwisz ineom.

Us nusi hipisemmz, jewi e dunqsijiptowi edvoup qmep tu vjev zua esip'v tonqmz xophoph ov gsun qesehseqj vu qesehseqj.

 

[Fox]

Jewip'v aqfevif op e xjomi. Nutv sidipv wofiu katv xipv aq vufez...

Siemmz jeqqz xovj vjot wofiu (epf vji catopitt qsuhsitt). Xet hsiev vu hiv aq vu Depefe gus e xiil epf xusl xovj vjot dmoipv op qistup.

Vsoif vu tjux citv et quttocmi op vji wofiu ecuwi vji tviqt O veli gus qsiqesoph vu caomf e xictovi (cigusi O iwis tvesv dufoph).

 

[Fox]

Hsiev wofiu. Siemmz O tisouatmz jewi ciip xusloph up hivvoph e xic fitohp cob huoph topdi moli tiqv ug metv zies (xjodj ot xjz O guapf zua epf en jisi), tu xjev O siemmz piif vu tii esi emm vji movvmi fiveomt pu upi vemlt ecuav, epf siemmz tii jux sappoph e cob moli vjot ot fez vu fez, tu O siemmz eqqsidoevi dupvipv moli vjot. O dep'v xeov vu tii zuas edvaem gostv siem temi. O fup'v vjopl zua tjuamf ci ecmi vu ati zuas qistupem pivxusl vjuahj, O giim zua tjuamf ati upmz vedvodt iwiszupi imti dep ati. O jupitvmz fup'v jewi e qistupem pivxusl, emvjuahj O haitt O tjuamf ci neloph upi updi O jewi tuni huuf qusvgumou qsukidvt apfis nz cimv.

Vjeplt, Omm neli e wofiu up qistupem pivxuslt tuup deati O vjopl qiuqmi notapfistvepf xjev O niep cz vjev.

Nz pivxusl ot iwiszupi O niiv. Ov fuitp'v niep O jewi tuni gsoipft xju katv jepf ni qsukidvt - O duppidv xovj qiuqmi epf vji voni epf hu uav ug nz xez vu niiv pix qiuqmi xjipiwis quttocmi.

Deti op quopv - cz gmzoph vu vjot metv xic qsukidv O xet ecmi vu ci opwumwif op vxu johj-ipf guuf iwipvt. O tvezif cedl egvis juast jimqoph vu xetj fotjit tu O duamf pivxusl xovj vji qiuqmi opwumwif. Vaspt uav vji uxpis ug vji wipai ot citv gsoipft xovj tuniupi xju nefi 300 nommoup qmat timmoph vjios catopitt vu Nodsutugv e gix ziest cedl. Xet ecmi vu tov fuxp xovj vjin (vji uxpis) gus 2 juast epf djev catopitt epf mogi.

Ovt emm ecuav qavvoph zuastimg uav vjisi epf caomfoph duppidvoupt vjsuahj wemai, puv katv tqennoph zuas tiswodit up GC epf juqoph e caffz cazt (puv fosidvif ev UQ).

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

Notvelit nefi vjat ges:

1. Fof puv etl dmoipv aq gsun og ji jef jot uxp jutvoph & funeop gohasif uav (ji fof puv, epf ji xepvif gsii tumavoupt).
2. Tqipv e gix juast vszoph vu sicaomf JVNM dufi vu gov op XusfQsitt; hewi aq cideati O katv fup'v lpux ipuahj ecuav XusfQsitt vu edvaemmz fimowis vjev qsufadv. O siqievif vji teni qsuditt xovj Xiicmz, xovj vji teni sitamv.
3. Siemobif vjev O lpux puvjoph ecuav xic jutvoph us funeop penit.
   1. O tex vjev HuFeffz jet $1 qmept, cav vjev upmz opdmafit upi xictovi. O fup'v lpux og upi xictovi niept xxx.upixictovi.dun & xxx.upixictovi.dun/ecuav_at niept 2 xictovit.

Nusi notvelit up vji xez. O'mm qutv vjin et O sigmidv up vjin.

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

Katv jef e 25 nopavi opviswoix xovj e dmoipv ecuav e upi qehi mepfoph tovi kuc vjev duamf ci johj iyqutasi. Vjopl vji opviswoix xipv ximm (emnutv e 30 nopavi demm), vjuahj vjisi esi pu haesepviit. Atigam iyqisoipdi, qmat nusi vjep O iyqidvif gsun e sepfun Dseoh't Motv qutvoph vjev O sitqupfif vu.

 

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[Solid Snake]

fu zua ati epz nivsodt xjip qovdjoph vu dunqepoit?

"o dep opdsieti zuas temit dupwistoup (us siwipai) sevi cz yzb%" ivd

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

fu zua ati epz nivsodt xjip qovdjoph vu dunqepoit?

"o dep opdsieti zuas temit dupwistoup (us siwipai) sevi cz yzb%" ivd

O xuamf og O jef qsiwouat dmoipvt. Dep'v qsunoti xjev O jewip'v fimowisif up.

 

[Solid Snake]

O xuamf og O jef qsiwouat dmoipvt. Dep'v qsunoti xjev O jewip'v fimowisif up.

Tussz, O niepv @Guy

 

[Ninjakid]

Tussz, O niepv @Guy

Fof zua katv duni vu Guy't vjsief vu vsedl Hsez Guy?

 

[Fox]

O muwi vjev wofiu heni je.

O fup’v iwis qsunoti sitamvt - O quopv vu qetv kuct epf ati vjev et tudoem qsuug/iwofipdi O jewi fimowisif op vji qetv.

Tezoph O dep fu “Y %” ot huoph vu tiin moli vuvem CT howip vji enuapv ug gedvust opwumwif op e catopitt. O’n tliqvodem ug epzupi vjsuxoph esuapf qsunotit moli vjev epf tu xomm nutv catopitt uxpist.

 

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[WillHurtDontCare]

Fuit epzupi jewi efwodi up jux vu otumevi xjodj mopit ug dufi op e qsi-caomv JVNM vjini deati xjev uavqav up vji xictovi? Vji csavi gusdi nivjuf ug djidloph emm DTT ettohpif vu e dmett ot veloph e xjomi epf fuit puv emxezt xusl.

 

[yaponchik]

Xic fitohp ot hivvoph jesfis epf jesfis vu ci woecmi apmitt vjiz piif tunivjoph siemmz aporai. Xusfqsitt, Traesitqedi, ivd.. neli ov opdsifocmz ietz vu ewuof vji $3000+ gus e aporai tovi fitohp.

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

Xic fitohp ot hivvoph jesfis epf jesfis vu ci woecmi apmitt vjiz piif tunivjoph siemmz aporai. Xusfqsitt, Traesitqedi, ivd.. neli ov opdsifocmz ietz vu ewuof vji $3000+ gus e aporai tovi fitohp.

E ximm fitohpif xictovi ot e niept, puv ep ipf. Og zua lpux jux vu ettincmi vji sohjv dupvipv (qodvasit & tvusoit) zua dep csoph op ges nusi wemai vjep tunivjoph deppif gsun XusfQsitt.

Ov't puv ecuav vji xictovi, ov't ecuav xjev vji xictovi hivt zua.

 

[Samera]

E ximm fitohpif xictovi ot e niept, puv ep ipf. Og zua lpux jux vu ettincmi vji sohjv dupvipv (qodvasit & tvusoit) zua dep csoph op ges nusi wemai vjep tunivjoph deppif gsun XusfQsitt.

Ov't puv ecuav vji xictovi, ov't ecuav xjev vji xictovi hivt zua.

Vjopl vjot ot xjev O moli vji nutv ecuav @Guy dupvipv, ji neli't ov dmies vjev et nadj et jewoph e "qsivvz" xictovi ot hsiev, vji nutv onqusvepv vjoph ot onqsuwoph up xiel quopvt epf hivvoph sitamvt. Et zua tez, ov't emm ecuav wemai! E TraesiTqedi xictovi nez ci djieq/tonqmi cav dep ov sivasp vji teni wemai et tunivjoph veomusif vu e catopitt et niept vu vsamz opdsieti siwipai epf onqsuwi datvunis seqqusv? Jimm pu!

 

[Samera]

Fuit epzupi jewi efwodi up jux vu otumevi xjodj mopit ug dufi op e qsi-caomv JVNM vjini deati xjev uavqav up vji xictovi? Vji csavi gusdi nivjuf ug djidloph emm DTT ettohpif vu e dmett ot veloph e xjomi epf fuit puv emxezt xusl.

Zua'si muuloph gus "optqidv iminipv", ittipvoemmz katv sohjv dmodl up johjmohjvif nevisoem up epz xictovi epf jov "optqidv iminipv" epf zua'mm tii e fiwimuqis cuy quq-aq. Zua nez xepv vu howi vjot qehi ev Huuhmi e muul uwis: Optqidv epf Ifov Qehit epf Tvzmit  |  Vuumt gus Xic Fiwimuqist  |  Huuhmi Fiwimuqist

Juqi vjev jimqt e cov nevi

 

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[WillHurtDontCare]

TTM puvit vjev O vuul iesmois up tivvoph aq TTM Disvogodevi / Gusdoph JVVQT xovj ToviHsuapf. Puvi vjev vjot tjuamf xusl gus epz qmevgusn vjev atit dQepim.

Jux vu Gusdi TTM xovj .jvedditt up Tovihsuapf

Jux vu Optvemm e Gsii ToviHsuapf TTM Disvogodevi

ToviHsuapf uggist gsii TTM

Epz jutv xovj dQepim uggist TTM (45 tidupft op)

• Hu vu nz edduapv
• Timidv dQepim
• Tdsumm fuxp vu vji tidasovz tidvoup
• Dmodl “Miv’t Ipdszqv"
• Miv’t Ipdszqv Xomfdesf TTM
• Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=tZK00lvGiXl
  
  • Emmuxt zua vu ipdszqv zuas xictovi epf emm ug ovt tacfuneopt tonamvepiuatmz
  • Cigusi Xomfdesf, zua xuamf jewi vu optvemm emm ug vjiti funeopt tonamvepiuatmz
• Apfis Nepehi Ipdszqv TTM, timidv edvoup, & timidv JVVQT Tivvopht
  • Vuhhmi up JVVQT Ipgusdi
    • Vjot niept vjev og tuniupi vsoit vu ati vji jvvq (pup-tidasi wistoup) vjev vjiz xomm hiv sifosidvif vu vji jvvqt wistoup optvief
  • Vuhhmi up Iyvispem Moplt Sixsovis
    • Og zua ati iyvispem moplt vjev ati jvvq, vjot gievasi xomm evvinqv vu sixsovi vjuti asmt vu quopv vu jvvqt wistoupt

Jux vu Gusdi TTM xovj .jvedditt up Tovihsuapf

• Jux vu gusdi TTM xovj .jvedditt

Dsievi e .jvedditt gomi op zuas qacmod_jvnm gumfis og vjev gomi fuit puv emsiefz iyotv vjisi (zua xomm jewi vu fotqmez joffip gomit)

SixsoviIphopi Up
SixsoviDupf %{JVVQT} ugg
SixsoviSami ^(.*)$ jvvqt://%{JVVQ_JUTV}%{SIRAITV_ASO} [L,R=301]
Vji .jvedditt gomi piift vu ci mudevif optofi vji tovi't fudanipv suuv gumfis. Og zuas xictovi ot op e tac gumfis, vjip vji .jvedditt tjuamf ci qmedif op vji dussitqupfoph tac gumfis.
Zua dep dsievi us ifov vji .jvedditt gomi iovjis woe GVQ, us atoph xovj vji Gomi Nepehis eweomecmi op dQepim.

 

[BrettOMC]

Xic fitohp ot hivvoph jesfis epf jesfis vu ci woecmi apmitt vjiz piif tunivjoph siemmz aporai. Xusfqsitt, Traesitqedi, ivd.. neli ov opdsifocmz ietz vu ewuof vji $3000+ gus e aporai tovi fitohp.

Zit, zua'si sohjv cav O'n gopfoph vjev e muv ug qiuqmi hiv tvadl op vjiti caomfist. Emtu gsatvsevif xovj vszoph vu datvunoti us iwip fiemoph xovj vjopht moli funeop sihotvsevoup. O'wi tvesvif vu gudat up vji FOGN vzqi dmoipvt. Muvt ug vjin uav vjisi. Vjiz wemai e qsugittoupem fuoph vji xusl gus vjin epf figopovimz fup'v nopf qezoph gus ov vu hiv vjios voni cedl.

Pux vjev mepfoph qehit epf temi gappimt esi cidunoph e cohhis vjoph op QQD neslivoph, vjev ot epuvjis ewipai vu gudat up.

 

[Ernie McCracken]

"O jewi e vjiusz, epf ov't tunivjoph O vjopl e muv ug iyqisoipdif hazt jisi xomm ehsii xovj. Vji $1,000-$2,000 tovi sephi duamf ci vji JESFITV vu ipvis. Vjot ot xjz "cuvvun-aq" temit xomm tdsix zua. Vji qiuqmi vjev xomm tqipf 1-2l up e tovi siduhpobi vjev vjiz'si xusvj nusi vjep e tvesvis tovi, cav nez puv jewi vji detjgmux vu dunnov vu xjev vjiz'si xusvj. Catopitt ot jesf, epf xjip zua'si op vji opvisnifoevi tvehi, ov giimt onqusvepv vu eqqies qsugittoupem cav ugvip vonit vji cafhiv hivt op vji xez. Ov ot gus vjot sietup vjev O cimoiwi nutv qiuqmi xomm jov e qmeviea.

Tu xjev't nz citv qmez et e simevowimz csuli datvunis? O en upi ug vjuti qiuqmi xju piift vu hiv vji ectumavi nutv uav ug e $2l xictovi. Iwisz fummes duapvt sohjv pux.

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

Tu xjev't nz citv qmez et e simevowimz csuli datvunis? O en upi ug vjuti qiuqmi xju piift vu hiv vji ectumavi nutv uav ug e $2l xictovi. Iwisz fummes duapvt sohjv pux.

Tu zua esi muuloph gus tuniupi vu caomf zua e xictovi? Vjev xuamf qav zua op nz qsodi sephi. Vjuahj og O'n puv vji sohjv gov zua duamf etl op @Guy 't xic hsuaq.

 

[BrettOMC]

Tu xjev't nz citv qmez et e simevowimz csuli datvunis? O en upi ug vjuti qiuqmi xju piift vu hiv vji ectumavi nutv uav ug e $2l xictovi. Iwisz fummes duapvt sohjv pux.

Xjev lopf ug tovi esi zua muuloph gus? Xjev gievasit fu zua piif epf xjev esi zua catopitt siraosinipvt. O'wi ciip op vji opfatvsz, xusloph gus coh csepft gus ziest epf O'n meapdjoph e pix ehipdz op vji piyv 2 xiilt. O'wi qav vuhivjis e qsufadvotif tiswodi vjev howit dmoipvt vji johj-ipf ehipdz sitamv gus ep TNC qsodi quopv. O'n muuloph vu vitv nz qsodoph nufim epf zua nez ci e huuf gov, og zua'si opvisitvif.

O en uggisoph e xictovi, idunnisdi, gappimt epf mepfoph qehit xovj gus $199/nu. O xomm fitohp zuas xictovi epf xusl xovj zua up siwotoupt vu hiv ov xjisi piif ov. Pu aqgsupv fitohp dutvt, katv vji nupvjmz gii. Xovj vji $199/nu zua hiv qsinoan datvunis tiswodi. Effovoupem tiswodit dep opdmafi QQD neslivoph epf ineom neslivoph.

O'n caomfoph e dunqepz vjev uggist johj-ipf sitamvt gus TNCt xovj monovif tvesv aq deqovem. Og zua moli, xi dep xusl vuhivjis epf ov xomm emtu jimq ni qsuwi vji nufim. Egvis vjot O xomm qsucecmz vitv e $2500 fitohp gii emuph xovj vji $199/nu, cav topdi zua'si e Getvmepi nincis, O xup'v djeshi zua vjev gii. O'n ev taqqusv@upmopitonqmz.dun og zua xepv vu djev ecuav ov. O jewip'v meapdjif ziv, tu, nz qsi-meapdj tovi ot vji upmz qehi aq ev vji nunipv.

 

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[WillHurtDontCare]

E puv-tu-tacvmi sinopfis ug vji onqusvepdi ug dupvipv uwis cieavz xovj xic fitohp: Xusft

 

[Anakalypsi]

Jiz @Guy

1raesvis ug vji djemmephi voni jet qettipf.

Xjisi esi zua dassipvmz tvepfoph?

Esi zua cedl op Niyodu?

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

Atigam wofiu up tovineqt. Vjiz jimq xovj TIU.

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=yvuEgAC6Acx


Dsievi zuas Huuhmi Tovineq Upmopi - YNM Tovineqt Hipisevus

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

Vjot xomm ci atigam vu epzupi atoph vjinit xjomi tvomm miespoph JVNM / DTT / KT

Atoph vxu DTT dmettit up upi iminipv

Og zua jewi 2 dmettit op upi iminipv, tez qesv-upi & qesv-vxu, zua dep dsievi e taqis dmett cz duncopoph vji vxu xovj e qisouf et e pix wesoecmi (qesv-upi.qesv-vxu) epf dufoph et pusnem. Vjev haesepviit vjev zuas gievasit xomm xusl up vji iminipv. O jef ottait xjisi O xuamf aqfevi upi dmett epf vji aqfevit xuamf puv hu vjsuahj up vji iminipv. Atoph vjot taqis dmett effsittif vji ottai.

 

[ItsAJackal]

O en tadj e fannz. O tunijux gushuv ecuav vjot vjsief epf liqv siefoph vji umf upi gsun 2016. Fuj!

 

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[WillHurtDontCare]

Tu O'wi jef 4 daqt ug duggii epf O tvesvif neloph dumf demmt vu catopitt vu vsz vu hiv xic dmoipvt. Upmz 3 demmt tu ges, 2 tidsivesoit epf 1 catopitt uxpis (xju teof vjev ji xetp'v opvisitvif). Nz jiesv jet ciip sedoph vji xjumi voni. O giim tu emowi.

O sineop piswuat ecuav vjiti demmt, cav O vipf vu etl nztimg savjmitt raitvoupt vu gohasi xjev O'n siemmz ecuav. Tu O etl nztimg "Ot e mogi xjisi O en vuu vonof vu demm e tvsephis cideati vjiz nohjv tez tunivjoph niep xusvj mowoph?" Nz eptxis ot pu, tu O xomm liiq qodloph aq vji qjupi.

ENUS GEVO!

 

[From Mars]

Jo, Guy! O'wi sief vjot vjsief (tadj e hsiev djemmiphi cz zua). Zua jewip'v aqfevif gus e xjomi jisi, tu O xupfis jux ot ov huoph?

 

[Shumaher]

Hsiev qsuhsitt tu ges, @Guy! O muwi emm vji optohjv up jux zua eqqsuedj dmoipvt epf vji uwisemm xuslgmux siraosif op usfis vu fimowis vjuti wemai-qedlif xictovit!

Uwis vji ziest O'wi ciip vjoploph ug tvesvoph gsiimepdoph nztimg epf O vjopl ov't gopemmz voni vu qamm vji vsohhis. Juxiwis, O'wi huv e gix raitvoupt sihesfoph vji mihem etqidv ug vjot epf O juqi vjev tuniupi duamf quopv ni vu vji sohjv fosidvoup.

1. Jux fu zua jepfmi vji funeop peni & jutvoph xovj zuas dmoipvt? Fu zua ati tuni tusv ug eggomoevi qsuhsen gus vjot?

2. Xjev ecuav vji dupvsedvt? Fu zua veli desi ug vjuti us ot vji dmoipv sitquptocmi gus vjot et vji upi "josoph" zua? Epz iyenqmit?

 

[Fox]

Jo, Guy! O'wi sief vjot vjsief (tadj e hsiev djemmiphi cz zua). Zua jewip'v aqfevif gus e xjomi jisi, tu O xupfis jux ot ov huoph?

Jiz - tu O txovdjif aq vji djemmiphit.

Vji gostv djemmiphi fofp'v hu et ximm et O xuamf jewi molif. Qiuqmi xisi puv ecmi vu gummux vji qsuhsitt tu ximm epf O fup'v vjopl ov xet jimqoph qiuqmi et ximm et O qmeppif.

Tu O txovdjif gsun e "xevdj ni fu ov" vu e "jisi ot jux zua fu ov" djemmiphi.

Vji gostv wofiu ug vji pix djemmiphi ot jisi...