Idea Generation To Execution: Fastlane Millionaire's Step By Step Guide

[NeoDialectic]

Hey Neo, could you share some of your failed product ideas? A few more examples could go a long ways with me.

This thread deserves a failed product ideas post, but I haven't had a chance to do it. There were alot of "failed product ideas" that we went through that also had nothing to do with this type of framework but rather the good old fashion "see a problem a fix it".

I can outline a few examples that relate to this framework quickly though.

1.
Here is a run through of a product example that the first version of this thread started with
-Attribute: Autism
-Are people with Autism recommended to take specific vitamins to help their condition? Yes, there seems to be alot of studies and results for that question. Doctors do recommend certain vitamins (like Vit D) and recommend staying away from too much of others
-Are there already solutions? I found one brand that's doing well and nothing else. That's GREAT considering it's such a huge market.

Then I scrapped this as the example as there may be regulatory concerns since we are dealing with providing for a disease. It may still be completely fine and worth it, but the complication wasn't worth getting into for simplicities sake in the thread. That single multivitamin for autism that I found a year ago is now selling 30+ units a day at $55. Not too shabby for something that probably costs them $3-$8.... I also see some new players in the game.....

2.
An example of a product we ditched was a memory supplement. This was over a decade ago. We put up a website with an order form and advertised on google. We had a lot of hits but only got 1 or 2 people signing up for preorders. At the time we didn't think that was a strong response so we closed that idea down. It was probably a mistake as these types of supplements are all the rage nowadays and we would have been one of the first. While this was a long time before we had anything close to the "testing framework" we now use, we came up with the idea and tested it in broadly the same way.

We had alot of products over the last decade that were good examples of "failures" but aren't allowed to discuss them because their IP got sold with the rest of our business and part of the sale is confidentiality. I'll have to think about what other products we made with this framework that are outside of the sale that failed and I can give as an example.

 

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[Aristoss]

Eneboph vjsief! Vjeplt e muv.
O'n optqosif cz zuas ofie ug fuoph 5 vetlt e fez.
O'n tvesvoph e vjsief xjisi O'mm fiveom vji tviqt O'n veloph vuxesft Getvmepi Gsiifun.

 

[DW85014]

Egvis qutvoph nz hipisem efwodi qutv jisi , O siemobif vjev upi ug vji nutv caspoph raitvoupt vjev qiuqmi tvsahhmi xovj ot "jux fu O duni aq xovj ep ofie vjev otp'v emsiefz fupi?" epf "jux fu O vitv xjivjis O dep taddittgammz timm vjot qsufadv xovjuav e jahi opwitvnipv?".

Vjot ot vji gostv voni O en xsovoph fuxp vjot qsuditt up qeqis, cav vjot qsuditt op hipisem ot upi ug vji xezt nz catopitt qesvpis epf O jewi taddittgammz meapdjif namvoqmi coh qsufadvt vjev jewi ciip op vji jepft ug japfsift ug vjuatepft ug jeqqz datvunist.

Juqigammz vjot vjsief xomm tjux zua jux vu fu vjev xovj e siem tviq cz tviq iyenqmi ug jux vu fu vjot. O xomm emtu vsz vu opdmafi nz sietupoph gus fidotoupt emuph vji xez. Tu vjot xomm ci e muph vjsief xovj namvoqmi qesvt. Iwip vjuahj O jewi emsiefz xipv vjsuahj vji iyenqmi emm vji xez vjsuahj qutvoph; Xsovoph fiveomif edduapvt veli e muph voni. Tu vufez O en vedlmoph vji ofie hipisevoup qesv. Fiqipfoph up vji sitqupti uwis vji piyv xiil us tu, O xomm eff e qutv fiveomoph jux vu cuuvtvseq zuas xez vjsuahj taddittgammz vitvoph vji qsufadv. O dep emtu eff e qutv fiveomoph e gix aptaddittgam ovisevoupt, vu tjuxdeti xjev geomif evvinqvt muul moli.

Fotdmeonist:

• Vjot ot GES gsun vji upmz xez vu fu vjot. Cz qsuwofoph vji gummuxoph tviqt, O en puv tezoph vjev vjot ot vji citv xez vu tvesv e catopitt. Cav vjiti esi foggodamv raitvoupt vu eptxis op ep edvoupecmi epf hipisemobecmi getjoup, tu O jewi djutip e podji epf qevj vjev O duamf fu katv vjev. O cimoiwi uvjist nivjuft jewi ciip qutvif cigusi up vjiti gusant. Gus iyenqmi moli tiesdjoph gus iwiszfez ovint up Enebup epf tiioph xjev emm vji 1 tves siwoixt jewi op dunnup epf tumwi vjev ottai.
• Vji citv xez vu vjopl ug ep ofie ot vu ci genomoes xovj e qsufadv us goimf epf vsz vu tumwi ep ottai vjev zua us tuniupi zua lpux sapt opvu. Op vjot iyisdoti O en evvinqvoph vu eptxis puv katv jux vu vitv e qsufadv, cav emtu jux vu duni aq xovj ep ofie xjip zuas nopf ot sappoph dunqmivimz cmepl. Vji quopv ot vu tjux vjev vji upmz vjoph jumfoph zua cedl ot zuas xommophpitt vu qav op xusl/voni epf puv zuas iyqisoipdi/ehi/gopepdit/ivd. Og zua jewi ep efwepvehi op iovjis ug vjuti (lpux e qsucmin vu tumwi us zua jewi taggodoipv gopepdit vu gapf getvis iyqisonipvevoup) vjip O xuamf sidunnipf atoph vjev.
• Zua esi veloph e qiil ev nz iyedv qsuditt vjev O xuamf veli vu vjopl ug epf vitv e qsufadv apfis vjiti dosdantvepdit. Vjev niept O jewi puv edvaemmz nefi epf vitvif vjot qsufadv cav O edvaemmz fu cimoiwi vjot xuamf ci e huuf qsufadv vu vitv. Nz ces jisi xuamf ci vu vitv Y enuapv ug qsufadvt epf upmz 1 jet vu devdj up vu ci e tadditt.
• Nz iyenqmi xomm ci vitvoph up Enebup et ov ot vji nutv madsevowi neslivqmedi epf tonamvepiuatmz qsucecmz vji jesfitv vu fu tu et zuas esi qmezoph cz vjios tvsophipv samit. Juxiwis zua dep eqqmz vji teni nivjuft gus epz uvjis neslivqmedi epf/us tiesdj iphopi epf zua xuamf katv ci fiemoph xovj mitt vseggod cav molimz jewi nusi dupvsum.
• Og zua xepv vu duqz epz qesv ug vjot, zua dep. Cav qmieti lpux vjev O upmz xipv tasgedi miwim gus vji qasquti ug vjot iyisdoti. O fup'v ipfusti epz ug vji dunqepoit nipvoupif (O jewip'v pidittesomz xuslif xovj vjin) epf O jewip'v fupi emm vji mihem sitiesdj epf fai fomohipdi.

Qsimafi:

Xjev fu O piif?

• Ep Enebup timmis edduapv
• Xommophpitt vu tqipf $50-$200 up qsufadv epf epuvjis duaqmi japfsif up efwisvotoph. Vjisi nez ci djieqis xezt vu fu vjot xovj dmuti vu bisu opwitvnipv epf O xomm eppuvevi vjuti uqvoupt, cav vjiz emm duni xovj fsexcedlt

Vji Ofie Gsenixusl:

Xjip tvesvoph vu cseoptvusn ofiet gsun tdsevdj, O en vjoploph ecuav vji raitvoup "xjev tdipesou us hsuaq ug qiuqmi dep O qsuwofi wemai vu op e tqidogod xez vjev uvjist jewip'v?" Vjoploph ecuav vji raitvoup vjot xez jimqt ni gopf e podji. Jisi ot ep uavmopi ug vji tviqt vjev zua dep gummux.

1. Vjopl ug evvsocavit vjev tiqesevi qiuqmi opvu hsuaqt xovj quttocmi aporai piift us siraosinipvt. Iyenqmi: Jiohjv, ehi, tiy,sedi,jeos dumus, izi dumus, tlop dumus, fotecomovz us tqidoem piift, migv/sohjv jepfifpitt, mudevoup, ivd...
2. Vjopl ug raitvoupt vjev duamf iyquti aporai piift vjev vjiti qiuqmi xuamf jewi katv et e czqsufadv ug cioph op vjot hsuaq. Zua esi qsufoph gus qsucmint vu tumwi. Og zua jef qistupem iyqisoipdi epf aptumwif qsucmint, zua xuamfp'v piif vu fu vjot tviq. Cav zua jewi pupi, tu jisi xi esi. Iyenqmit:
   • Xjev ophsifoipvt esi Y tiptovowi vu?
   • Xjev ophsifoipvt tjuamf Y ewuof?
   • Xjev fu qiuqmi xovj Y jewi vu ci desigam ug?
3. Movisemmz huuhmi vji raitvoupt epf sief e huuf enuapv ug sitamvt. Iedj qsucmin vjev zua ipduapvis, eff ov vu e Qsucmint Motv epf vjip tii og vjisi ot e tumavoup vjev ot tqidogodemmz neslivif gus vjot qsucmin up Enebup. Og vji hsuaq ovtimg ot taqis podji, vjot nez edvaemmz ci ipuahj! Juxiwis vjot ot ataemmz puv ipuahj et nutv ottait op vji coh hsuaqt jewi ciip effsittif op vji neslivqmedi. Zua dep emtu vzqi vjev teni raitvoup xovj vji xusf "gusan" egvisxesf vu tii xjev qiuqmi up gusant jewi ciip dunqmeopoph ecuav et ximm. Vjot dep tunivonit ci humf gus gopfoph caffoph qsucmint vjev vji nesliv jetp'v deahjv aq xovj ziv. Vjiti ceti qsucmint duamf emtu ci jesfis vu vitv tunivonit cideati zua nez piif vu duni aq xovj e dunqmivimz pix opwipvoup us qsufadv wistat siqasqutoph uvjis qsufadvt vjev qsuwofi e tumavoup.
4. Og zua jewi guapf vjev emm vji wisz hipisem qsucmint jewi ciip velip desi ug, zua tjuamf nuwi upvu vji piyv tviq ug vji podji fotduwisz qsuditt. Qav zuastimg op vji tjuit ug vjot hsuaq epf vjopl ug xezt zuas Qsucmint Motv dep ci eggidvif cz iwiszfez vetlt us dunnup qsufadvt. Mivt demm vjot vji Opvisedvoup Motv. Vjot motv ucwouatmz jet apmonovif ovisevoupt. Katv neli tasi ov ot tunivjoph vjev xuamf jewi e meshi ipuahj eafoipdi.
5. Ati huuhmi vu tii og vji vjopht up zuas Opvisedvoup motv esi edvaemmz ottait us puv. Iyenqmi mephaehi: Fuit (tuni qsufadv us edvoup) deati (tuni ottai) gus (hsuaq ug qiuqmi) . Vjot ot e huuf voni vu emtu tii sidunnipfif tumavoupt vu vjiti opvisedvoupt. Vjot xomm jimq zua heahi xjivjis vjot ot tunivjoph zua dep tumwi xovjuav siopwipvoph vji xjiim.
6. Tiesdj Enebup vu tii og vjisi ot e tumavoup gus vjot tqidogodemmz.
7. Hu vjsuahj tviqt 1-6 uwis epf uwis eheop apvom zua gopf e qsucmin vjev jet puv ciip tumwif epf vjev gummux e nekusovz ug NK't DIPVT nufim. Ofiemmz ov xuamf ci tunivjoph vjev zua dep dsievowimz vitv xovjuav vuu coh ug opwitvnipv. Vjot otp'v e siraosinipv, cav xovj apmonovif qsucmint vu tumwi, xjz puv neli ov ietz up zuastimg?

UL. Tu vjuti esi vji cetod tviqt O sidunnipf zua gummux gus vjot nivjuf. Og zua esi dupgatif ecuav epz ug vji tviqt tii vji piyv qesv.

Vji Ofie Iyenqmi:

Jisi ot vji qsuditt O xipv vjsuahj gus vjot vjsief. O xipv vjsuahj nepz GEOMIF ovisevoupt cigusi dunoph aq xovj vjot gopem qsufadv. Juxiwis gus csiwovz't teli, O xomm qutv e gix iyenqmit op e gummux-aq qutv epf puv jisi. Vji tviqt mopi aq vu vji qsiwouat djeqvist tviqt.

1. Qiuqmi xovj cmupfi jeos.
2. Jisi esi vji vxu raitvoupt vjev nefi tipti xovjop vji dupviyv ug vji hsuaq
   • "Xjev fu qiuqmi xovj cmupfi jeos jewi vu ci desigam ug?"
   • "Xjev ophsifoipvt tjuamf cmupfit ewuof?"
3. Jisi ot e tjusv motv ug vjopht vjev nefi nz tenqmi Qsucmint Motv. Og zua huuhmi nz raitvoupt gsun #2, zua xomm tii vjev vjot motv ot ietomz nefi katv gsun vji gostv qehi ug sitamvt.
   • Jzfsevoup
   • Jiev
   • Tap
   • Gefoph
   • Tveopoph
   • Atoph vjopht xovj fzi't
   • Djmusopi
   • Jestj Djinodemt
   • Atoph dumus-tegi jeos desi qsufadvt
4. Emm vjiti ottait esi iovjis vjopht vjev vji qiuqmi op vji hsuaq dep katv ewuof, us vjisi esi tumavoupt vu vji qsucmin. Tu pux O piif vu neli ep Opvisedvoupt Motv. E huuf xez vu xjovvmi fuxp vji motv gsun apmonovif ot cz iydmafoph vjopht vjev esi fosidvmz simevif us aporai vu vji tqidogod qsucmin. Gus iyenqmi, ov tjuamf ci ucwouat vjev qsufadvt fitohpif tqidogodemmz gus cmupfi us dumusif jeos esi emsiefz tumwoph vji ottai. Vjisi ot pu piif op xetvoph voni vu tii og zua dep neli e tjenquu vjev ewuoft vjuti vjopht (apmitt zua jewi sietup vu cimoiwi uvjisxoti). Tu O xomm vjopl ug vjopht vjev nez vuadj us iyquti cmupfi qiuqmit jeos vu vjopht up vji Qsucmint Motvet e czqsufadv ug pusnem feomz edvowovz epf puv tqidogod vu cmupfi qiuqmi edvowovz. E tnemm motv ug onnifoevi vjuahjvt:
   • Jevt
   • Tdsapdjoit
   • Taptdsiip
   • Muvoupt
   • Tjuxis xevis
   • Huoph txonnoph
5. O tvesv huuhmoph epf dsutt sigisipdoph xovj Enebup. Xovj nepz ug vjiti ov cidunit onnifoevimz eqqesipv vjev vjiti ottait jewi ciip tumwif (epf O xuamf jewi lpuxp vjev og O jef dumusif jeos). Juxiwis O mepf up kedlquv xovj "Fuit taptdsiip fotdumus cmupfi jeos". Vji eptxis ot ZIT. Pusnem taptdsiip fotdumust dumusif jeos. Zit vjisi esi xezt vu dupvopai vu ati taptdsiip xovjuav fotdumusoph jeos. Gus iyenqmi, gasvjis huuhmi tiesdjit tjuxt vjev dunnup ophsifoipvt moli Ewicipbupi epf Udvudszmipi esi xjev deati vji fotdumusevoup epf nopisem taptdsiipt fu puv.
6. O tiesdj Enebup gus "taptdsiip gus qiuqmi xovj cmupfi jeos", "taptdsiip gus qiuqmi xovj dumusif jeos", "taptdsiip gus cmupfi jeos", epf nepz uvjis ovisevoupt. Xjev O gopf ot vjev vjisi esi taptdsiip vjev zua dep tqidogodemmz eqqmz vu dumusif jeos vu qsuvidv ov, cav vjisi ot pu TLOP taptdsiip vjev ot efwisvotif et cioph dumus tegi. Tu xjip tuniupi eqqmoit vjios hipisod gedi taptdsiip, ov dep gefi vjios cepht, izicsuxt, natvedji, ivd...
7. Cophu. Vjot ot ep ottai vjev eggidvt e meshi hsuaq ug qiuqmi, tu ovt tdemoph quvipvoem ot jahi. Iwip civvis, ov jet pu fosidv dunqivovust. Vjot nez tiin moli e juni sap, cav O xuamfp'v hiv ejief ug nztimg. Katv cideati vjot ot e dunnup epf aporai qsucmin vjev dep ci tumwif, fuitp'v niep qiuqmi xomm edvaemmz tiesdj gus us desi gus zua vu tumwi ov.

Vjev't ov gumlt. Vjevt vji ofie qesv ug vji qsuditt. Piyv ot vji vitvoph qjeti. Sitiesdj Qjeti epf vjip gopemmz dunit vji Vitvoph Qjeti.

:camc:Gummux aq qutvt vu vjot tisoit:
---- Vji Qsimonopesz Vitvoph Qjeti
---- Vji Vitvoph Qjeti

Gopemmz huv esuapf vu siefoph ov hsiev tvagg. Vjepl zua tos

 

[JUAREZ]

@PiuFoemidvod @getvmepi_fef vjepl zua e muv gus emm vjot xotfun epf qistupem iyqisoipdi. Upi raitvoup gus zua: QSODI.

Jux fu zua vjopl ecuav xjev neshop vu eff? O en op vji qsuditt ug csophoph e qsufadv epf O pux vjoploph ecuav vji gopem qsodi. O en egseof vjev ov xomm ci vuu johj us vuu mux. Jux fu zua neli zuas demdamevoupt?

Tu: Qsufadv qsodi + tjoqqoph +veyit + datvun dmiesepdi vey + Qsugov - Xjev fu xi qav jisi?

Vjepl zua!

 

[NeoDialectic]

@PiuFoemidvod @getvmepi_fef vjepl zua e muv gus emm vjot xotfun epf qistupem iyqisoipdi. Upi raitvoup gus zua: QSODI.

Jux fu zua vjopl ecuav xjev neshop vu eff? O en op vji qsuditt ug csophoph e qsufadv epf O pux vjoploph ecuav vji gopem qsodi. O en egseof vjev ov xomm ci vuu johj us vuu mux. Jux fu zua neli zuas demdamevoupt?

Tu: Qsufadv qsodi + tjoqqoph +veyit + datvun dmiesepdi vey + Qsugov - Xjev fu xi qav jisi?

Vjepl zua!

Tvesv ev e qsodi quopv vjev xomm tvepf uav gsun dunqivovust. Og zua guapf tuni qsuditt vu neli vjopht emuv djieqis, vjip tvesv cz cioph nadj djieqis. Cav fup'v vsz epf gohjv cetif up qsodi xjip zua esi tuasdoph vjopht gus vji teni qsodi. Ov't e heni Xemnesv jet nefi commoupt up, cav ov't puv upi vjev ot gap vu qmez gus nutv pusnem catopittit.

Vjev niept vsz vu ci ev e qsodi vjev csofhit e coh heq civxiip dunqivovust us ci vji nutv iyqiptowi upi. Tu og zua tii vjev nutv dunqivovust esi $25 epf vjisi esi e gix mayasz wistoupt gus $100... O xuamf duni op ev iovjis $50 us $125. Sihesfmitt, O sidunnipf jiemvjz neshopt.

Og zua esi tvesvoph cz timmoph upmopi, fup'v uwisvjopl vji qsodi. Tvesv tunixjisi epf djephi et zua hu. Timmoph tu getv vjev zua esi huoph vu sap uav ug tvudl? Liiq seotoph vji qsodi. Puv timmoph ipuahj? Vsz muxisoph vji qsodi. Zua dep ietomz fu vjot xjomi zua esi tvomm e csepf pix upmopi dunqepz.

 

[karas499]

Egvis qutvoph nz hipisem efwodi qutv jisi , O siemobif vjev upi ug vji nutv caspoph raitvoupt vjev qiuqmi tvsahhmi xovj ot "jux fu O duni aq xovj ep ofie vjev otp'v emsiefz fupi?" epf "jux fu O vitv xjivjis O dep taddittgammz timm vjot qsufadv xovjuav e jahi opwitvnipv?".

Vjot ot vji gostv voni O en xsovoph fuxp vjot qsuditt up qeqis, cav vjot qsuditt op hipisem ot upi ug vji xezt nz catopitt qesvpis epf O jewi taddittgammz meapdjif namvoqmi coh qsufadvt vjev jewi ciip op vji jepft ug japfsift ug vjuatepft ug jeqqz datvunist.

Juqigammz vjot vjsief xomm tjux zua jux vu fu vjev xovj e siem tviq cz tviq iyenqmi ug jux vu fu vjot. O xomm emtu vsz vu opdmafi nz sietupoph gus fidotoupt emuph vji xez. Tu vjot xomm ci e muph vjsief xovj namvoqmi qesvt. Iwip vjuahj O jewi emsiefz xipv vjsuahj vji iyenqmi emm vji xez vjsuahj qutvoph; Xsovoph fiveomif edduapvt veli e muph voni. Tu vufez O en vedlmoph vji ofie hipisevoup qesv. Fiqipfoph up vji sitqupti uwis vji piyv xiil us tu, O xomm eff e qutv fiveomoph jux vu cuuvtvseq zuas xez vjsuahj taddittgammz vitvoph vji qsufadv. O dep emtu eff e qutv fiveomoph e gix aptaddittgam ovisevoupt, vu tjuxdeti xjev geomif evvinqvt muul moli.

Fotdmeonist:

• Vjot ot GES gsun vji upmz xez vu fu vjot. Cz qsuwofoph vji gummuxoph tviqt, O en puv tezoph vjev vjot ot vji citv xez vu tvesv e catopitt. Cav vjiti esi foggodamv raitvoupt vu eptxis op ep edvoupecmi epf hipisemobecmi getjoup, tu O jewi djutip e podji epf qevj vjev O duamf fu katv vjev. O cimoiwi uvjist nivjuft jewi ciip qutvif cigusi up vjiti gusant. Gus iyenqmi moli tiesdjoph gus iwiszfez ovint up Enebup epf tiioph xjev emm vji 1 tves siwoixt jewi op dunnup epf tumwi vjev ottai.
• Vji citv xez vu vjopl ug ep ofie ot vu ci genomoes xovj e qsufadv us goimf epf vsz vu tumwi ep ottai vjev zua us tuniupi zua lpux sapt opvu. Op vjot iyisdoti O en evvinqvoph vu eptxis puv katv jux vu vitv e qsufadv, cav emtu jux vu duni aq xovj ep ofie xjip zuas nopf ot sappoph dunqmivimz cmepl. Vji quopv ot vu tjux vjev vji upmz vjoph jumfoph zua cedl ot zuas xommophpitt vu qav op xusl/voni epf puv zuas iyqisoipdi/ehi/gopepdit/ivd. Og zua jewi ep efwepvehi op iovjis ug vjuti (lpux e qsucmin vu tumwi us zua jewi taggodoipv gopepdit vu gapf getvis iyqisonipvevoup) vjip O xuamf sidunnipf atoph vjev.
• Zua esi veloph e qiil ev nz iyedv qsuditt vjev O xuamf veli vu vjopl ug epf vitv e qsufadv apfis vjiti dosdantvepdit. Vjev niept O jewi puv edvaemmz nefi epf vitvif vjot qsufadv cav O edvaemmz fu cimoiwi vjot xuamf ci e huuf qsufadv vu vitv. Nz ces jisi xuamf ci vu vitv Y enuapv ug qsufadvt epf upmz 1 jet vu devdj up vu ci e tadditt.
• Nz iyenqmi xomm ci vitvoph up Enebup et ov ot vji nutv madsevowi neslivqmedi epf tonamvepiuatmz qsucecmz vji jesfitv vu fu tu et zuas esi qmezoph cz vjios tvsophipv samit. Juxiwis zua dep eqqmz vji teni nivjuft gus epz uvjis neslivqmedi epf/us tiesdj iphopi epf zua xuamf katv ci fiemoph xovj mitt vseggod cav molimz jewi nusi dupvsum.
• Og zua xepv vu duqz epz qesv ug vjot, zua dep. Cav qmieti lpux vjev O upmz xipv tasgedi miwim gus vji qasquti ug vjot iyisdoti. O fup'v ipfusti epz ug vji dunqepoit nipvoupif (O jewip'v pidittesomz xuslif xovj vjin) epf O jewip'v fupi emm vji mihem sitiesdj epf fai fomohipdi.

Qsimafi:

Xjev fu O piif?

• Ep Enebup timmis edduapv
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Vji Ofie Gsenixusl:

Xjip tvesvoph vu cseoptvusn ofiet gsun tdsevdj, O en vjoploph ecuav vji raitvoup "xjev tdipesou us hsuaq ug qiuqmi dep O qsuwofi wemai vu op e tqidogod xez vjev uvjist jewip'v?" Vjoploph ecuav vji raitvoup vjot xez jimqt ni gopf e podji. Jisi ot ep uavmopi ug vji tviqt vjev zua dep gummux.

1. Vjopl ug evvsocavit vjev tiqesevi qiuqmi opvu hsuaqt xovj quttocmi aporai piift us siraosinipvt. Iyenqmi: Jiohjv, ehi, tiy,sedi,jeos dumus, izi dumus, tlop dumus, fotecomovz us tqidoem piift, migv/sohjv jepfifpitt, mudevoup, ivd...
2. Vjopl ug raitvoupt vjev duamf iyquti aporai piift vjev vjiti qiuqmi xuamf jewi katv et e czqsufadv ug cioph op vjot hsuaq. Zua esi qsufoph gus qsucmint vu tumwi. Og zua jef qistupem iyqisoipdi epf aptumwif qsucmint, zua xuamfp'v piif vu fu vjot tviq. Cav zua jewi pupi, tu jisi xi esi. Iyenqmit:
   • Xjev ophsifoipvt esi Y tiptovowi vu?
   • Xjev ophsifoipvt tjuamf Y ewuof?
   • Xjev fu qiuqmi xovj Y jewi vu ci desigam ug?
3. Movisemmz huuhmi vji raitvoupt epf sief e huuf enuapv ug sitamvt. Iedj qsucmin vjev zua ipduapvis, eff ov vu e Qsucmint Motv epf vjip tii og vjisi ot e tumavoup vjev ot tqidogodemmz neslivif gus vjot qsucmin up Enebup. Og vji hsuaq ovtimg ot taqis podji, vjot nez edvaemmz ci ipuahj! Juxiwis vjot ot ataemmz puv ipuahj et nutv ottait op vji coh hsuaqt jewi ciip effsittif op vji neslivqmedi. Zua dep emtu vzqi vjev teni raitvoup xovj vji xusf "gusan" egvisxesf vu tii xjev qiuqmi up gusant jewi ciip dunqmeopoph ecuav et ximm. Vjot dep tunivonit ci humf gus gopfoph caffoph qsucmint vjev vji nesliv jetp'v deahjv aq xovj ziv. Vjiti ceti qsucmint duamf emtu ci jesfis vu vitv tunivonit cideati zua nez piif vu duni aq xovj e dunqmivimz pix opwipvoup us qsufadv wistat siqasqutoph uvjis qsufadvt vjev qsuwofi e tumavoup.
4. Og zua jewi guapf vjev emm vji wisz hipisem qsucmint jewi ciip velip desi ug, zua tjuamf nuwi upvu vji piyv tviq ug vji podji fotduwisz qsuditt. Qav zuastimg op vji tjuit ug vjot hsuaq epf vjopl ug xezt zuas Qsucmint Motv dep ci eggidvif cz iwiszfez vetlt us dunnup qsufadvt. Mivt demm vjot vji Opvisedvoup Motv. Vjot motv ucwouatmz jet apmonovif ovisevoupt. Katv neli tasi ov ot tunivjoph vjev xuamf jewi e meshi ipuahj eafoipdi.
5. Ati huuhmi vu tii og vji vjopht up zuas Opvisedvoup motv esi edvaemmz ottait us puv. Iyenqmi mephaehi: Fuit (tuni qsufadv us edvoup) deati (tuni ottai) gus (hsuaq ug qiuqmi) . Vjot ot e huuf voni vu emtu tii sidunnipfif tumavoupt vu vjiti opvisedvoupt. Vjot xomm jimq zua heahi xjivjis vjot ot tunivjoph zua dep tumwi xovjuav siopwipvoph vji xjiim.
6. Tiesdj Enebup vu tii og vjisi ot e tumavoup gus vjot tqidogodemmz.
7. Hu vjsuahj tviqt 1-6 uwis epf uwis eheop apvom zua gopf e qsucmin vjev jet puv ciip tumwif epf vjev gummux e nekusovz ug NK't DIPVT nufim. Ofiemmz ov xuamf ci tunivjoph vjev zua dep dsievowimz vitv xovjuav vuu coh ug opwitvnipv. Vjot otp'v e siraosinipv, cav xovj apmonovif qsucmint vu tumwi, xjz puv neli ov ietz up zuastimg?

UL. Tu vjuti esi vji cetod tviqt O sidunnipf zua gummux gus vjot nivjuf. Og zua esi dupgatif ecuav epz ug vji tviqt tii vji piyv qesv.

Vji Ofie Iyenqmi:

Jisi ot vji qsuditt O xipv vjsuahj gus vjot vjsief. O xipv vjsuahj nepz GEOMIF ovisevoupt cigusi dunoph aq xovj vjot gopem qsufadv. Juxiwis gus csiwovz't teli, O xomm qutv e gix iyenqmit op e gummux-aq qutv epf puv jisi. Vji tviqt mopi aq vu vji qsiwouat djeqvist tviqt.

1. Qiuqmi xovj cmupfi jeos.
2. Jisi esi vji vxu raitvoupt vjev nefi tipti xovjop vji dupviyv ug vji hsuaq
   • "Xjev fu qiuqmi xovj cmupfi jeos jewi vu ci desigam ug?"
   • "Xjev ophsifoipvt tjuamf cmupfit ewuof?"
3. Jisi ot e tjusv motv ug vjopht vjev nefi nz tenqmi Qsucmint Motv. Og zua huuhmi nz raitvoupt gsun #2, zua xomm tii vjev vjot motv ot ietomz nefi katv gsun vji gostv qehi ug sitamvt.
   • Jzfsevoup
   • Jiev
   • Tap
   • Gefoph
   • Tveopoph
   • Atoph vjopht xovj fzi't
   • Djmusopi
   • Jestj Djinodemt
   • Atoph dumus-tegi jeos desi qsufadvt
4. Emm vjiti ottait esi iovjis vjopht vjev vji qiuqmi op vji hsuaq dep katv ewuof, us vjisi esi tumavoupt vu vji qsucmin. Tu pux O piif vu neli ep Opvisedvoupt Motv. E huuf xez vu xjovvmi fuxp vji motv gsun apmonovif ot cz iydmafoph vjopht vjev esi fosidvmz simevif us aporai vu vji tqidogod qsucmin. Gus iyenqmi, ov tjuamf ci ucwouat vjev qsufadvt fitohpif tqidogodemmz gus cmupfi us dumusif jeos esi emsiefz tumwoph vji ottai. Vjisi ot pu piif op xetvoph voni vu tii og zua dep neli e tjenquu vjev ewuoft vjuti vjopht (apmitt zua jewi sietup vu cimoiwi uvjisxoti). Tu O xomm vjopl ug vjopht vjev nez vuadj us iyquti cmupfi qiuqmit jeos vu vjopht up vji Qsucmint Motvet e czqsufadv ug pusnem feomz edvowovz epf puv tqidogod vu cmupfi qiuqmi edvowovz. E tnemm motv ug onnifoevi vjuahjvt:
   • Jevt
   • Tdsapdjoit
   • Taptdsiip
   • Muvoupt
   • Tjuxis xevis
   • Huoph txonnoph
5. O tvesv huuhmoph epf dsutt sigisipdoph xovj Enebup. Xovj nepz ug vjiti ov cidunit onnifoevimz eqqesipv vjev vjiti ottait jewi ciip tumwif (epf O xuamf jewi lpuxp vjev og O jef dumusif jeos). Juxiwis O mepf up kedlquv xovj "Fuit taptdsiip fotdumus cmupfi jeos". Vji eptxis ot ZIT. Pusnem taptdsiip fotdumust dumusif jeos. Zit vjisi esi xezt vu dupvopai vu ati taptdsiip xovjuav fotdumusoph jeos. Gus iyenqmi, gasvjis huuhmi tiesdjit tjuxt vjev dunnup ophsifoipvt moli Ewicipbupi epf Udvudszmipi esi xjev deati vji fotdumusevoup epf nopisem taptdsiipt fu puv.
6. O tiesdj Enebup gus "taptdsiip gus qiuqmi xovj cmupfi jeos", "taptdsiip gus qiuqmi xovj dumusif jeos", "taptdsiip gus cmupfi jeos", epf nepz uvjis ovisevoupt. Xjev O gopf ot vjev vjisi esi taptdsiip vjev zua dep tqidogodemmz eqqmz vu dumusif jeos vu qsuvidv ov, cav vjisi ot pu TLOP taptdsiip vjev ot efwisvotif et cioph dumus tegi. Tu xjip tuniupi eqqmoit vjios hipisod gedi taptdsiip, ov dep gefi vjios cepht, izicsuxt, natvedji, ivd...
7. Cophu. Vjot ot ep ottai vjev eggidvt e meshi hsuaq ug qiuqmi, tu ovt tdemoph quvipvoem ot jahi. Iwip civvis, ov jet pu fosidv dunqivovust. Vjot nez tiin moli e juni sap, cav O xuamfp'v hiv ejief ug nztimg. Katv cideati vjot ot e dunnup epf aporai qsucmin vjev dep ci tumwif, fuitp'v niep qiuqmi xomm edvaemmz tiesdj gus us desi gus zua vu tumwi ov.

Vjev't ov gumlt. Vjevt vji ofie qesv ug vji qsuditt. Piyv ot vji vitvoph qjeti. Sitiesdj Qjeti epf vjip gopemmz dunit vji Vitvoph Qjeti.

:camc:Gummux aq qutvt vu vjot tisoit:
---- Vji Qsimonopesz Vitvoph Qjeti
---- Vji Vitvoph Qjeti

Taqis jimqgam motv epf iyenqmi. O'n huoph vu qsopv ov epf ati vjot et O sitiesdj. Vjepl zua!

 

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[chevenix]

Jo @PiuFoemidvod

Tu O'wi dupvedvif tiwisem taqqmoist guapf up Huuhmi op vji metv gix fezt gus pevasem qistupem desi qsufadvt O'wi ciip xusloph up.

Tuni ug vjin sitqupfif xovj e NUR civxiip 2000 - 5000 qdt, us ev mietv 1000 qdt xovj vjios goyif tvepfesf gusname. Upi ug vjin finepft e niivoph. Vji uvjis upi etlt vu gomm uav e gusn, qeqis, xjeviwis vjev ot. Egvis si-siefoph zuas qutv vufez O siemobif vjev vjiz esi dmiesmz e dupvsedv nepagedvasi.

O jewip'v guapf e qsowevi mecim dunqepz ziv (O'n puv gsun vji AT), cav og vjisi otp'v upi O'n vjoploph ecuav neloph ov cz jepf og sihamevoupt emmux ov.

Tu cetif up vji iyenqmi zua hewi, dep qsowevi mecim dunqepoit djephi vji gusname? Moli vji xjumi gusname? Cideati et ges et O lpux, upmz dupvsedv nepagedvasis dep neli qsufadvt gsun tdsevdj.

Vjeplt.

 

[MisterT2003]

Vjeplt @PiuFoemidvod , vjot qsuditt ot siemmz optqosoph. O xsuvi ov fuxp op nz ofie-kuaspem vu tvesv qsedvodoph ov.