Inventor's Virtual Meetup

[Tinker Explorer]

The meeting starts in 10 minutes:

Link: https://meet.google.com/btg-jogg-bvx

Great meeting, thank you.

I have some follow-up questions:

1. When would it not be necessary to get a patent. It was mentioned that most ppl applying shouldn't really get a patent.

2. If you prove the market before investing time and money into full production, and even patent, then as we discussed - the chinese market can reverse engineer and have a copycat product to market within days - not necessarily the 12-18 months that may have been true in the past. Wouldn't a patent be a good idea then?

I guess it's a which comes first - chicken or egg syndrome. Damned if you do and damned if you don't?

 

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[RightyTighty]

1. When would it not be necessary to get a patent. It was mentioned that most ppl applying shouldn't really get a patent.

The problem is that so many new inventors think that getting a patent is one of the first steps, and there are so many entities after their money who will encourage them to so so. A Provisional Patent Application (PPA) affords no legal rights but is a much less expensive option that establishes a priority date and gives you twelve months to file a Utility Patent. This time window can be used strategically to license or venture your product before spending the big bucks.

To specifically answer your question, a patent can be unnecessary, or even undesirable, for a few reasons. It may be better to maintain your intellectual property as a trade secret. It’s important to understand that the basic concept of a patent is that in return for the protection it affords, the inventor will fully disclose the invention for public use after the protection period. If your product can’t be reverse engineered (these are almost always compounds - Coca Cola, KFC, WD-40) keeping the recipe as a trade secret provides a protection period with no limit. A patent can also be deemed unnecessary for fad/novelty items when first-to-market is much more important.

A lot of inventions, while truly innovative and marketable, may not meet the USPTO’s criteria (most often “obviousness”) and cannot be patented.

In all cases, other IP tools - Trademarks and Copyrights - can be leveraged to help protect your brand.

2. If you prove the market before investing time and money into full production, and even patent, then as we discussed - the chinese market can reverse engineer and have a copycat product to market within days - not necessarily the 12-18 months that may have been true in the past. Wouldn't a patent be a good idea then?

A patent is almost always a good idea for any product that can be successfully marketed. For protection from pirates, especially in China, additional measures can be considered. When sourcing an innovative product from China, an NNN Agreement (Non-disclosure, Non-compete, Non-circumvention) should always be used. Other measures to be considered are registering your trademark with US and Chinese Customs Agencies, Trademarking in China, and filing international patents through WIPO.

Legal measures can get expensive fast and, like fences, they only keep honest people honest. For others enforcement is required and that gets REAL expensive. The reality is that most don’t want to copy your product and your best defense is a GOOD BRAND, which cannot be pirated if you have a few simple measures in place. Being FIRST TO MARKET with a good innovation can never be copied. Look at the continuing success of YETI in spite of arguably equal products that sell for half the price. The take home message is to do your due diligence, build a strong brand brick by brick, and don’t get districted by the paranoia noise. ALL successful companies deal with competitors crossing the line; it should be considered a part of the business landscape and not a source of fear.

 

[RightyTighty]

Xaqt, niepv vu eff vjot mopl!

http://jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan...iti-lpudl-ugg-dunqivovoup.114158/qutv-1129011

 

[SSTrey]

Vji niivoph tvesvt op 10 nopavit:

Mopl: jvvqt://niiv.huuhmi.dun/cvh-kuhh-cwy

Jo hipvt, xupfisoph, ot ov iwis sidusfif, xuamf moli vu gummux aq.

 

[ED_Tan]

Hsiev niivoph, vjepl zua.

O jewi tuni gummux-aq raitvoupt:

1. Xjip xuamf ov puv ci pidittesz vu hiv e qevipv. Ov xet nipvoupif vjev nutv qqm eqqmzoph tjuamfp'v siemmz hiv e qevipv.

2. Og zua qsuwi vji nesliv cigusi opwitvoph voni epf nupiz opvu gamm qsufadvoup, epf iwip qevipv, vjip et xi fotdattif - vji djopiti nesliv dep siwisti iphopiis epf jewi e duqzdev qsufadv vu nesliv xovjop fezt - puv pidittesomz vji 12-18 nupvjt vjev nez jewi ciip vsai op vji qetv. Xuamfp'v e qevipv ci e huuf ofie vjip?

O haitt ov't e xjodj dunit gostv - djodlip us ihh tzpfsuni. Fenpif og zua fu epf fenpif og zua fup'v?

1. xjip zua / vien jet gopepdoem sitvseop gus vji piyv 9-12nupvjt.
(nipvoup cz SohjvzVohjvz, e QQE ot vji piyv citv vjoph. og zua dep jewi vji QQE vji johj djepdi ug e sotl-gsii qevipv eqqsuwem ot puv ges exez.)

2. O xomm tez vjev epzupi xovj cef opvipvoupt, pu nevvis xjisi vjiz esi op vji xusmf, dep epf xomm vsz vu veli tjusvdavt vu siqmodevi xjev zua’wi opwipvif. Ov't apdmies xjev vzqi ug qjztodem qsufadv zua’si sigissoph vu jisi. Gsun e sotl nepehinipv qistqidvowi, O tahhitv xovj vji QQE emmuxif vonif fu opwitv vji voni epf iggusv vu iphehi quvipvoem qesvpist gsun "Djope" vu jimq zua tidasi epf hsux op vji mudem nesliv.

 

[Mikkel]

Xi jef e hsiev niivoph metv xiil. Uas piyv niivoph xomm ci op 5 xiilt.

Piyv Niivoph Opgusnevoup:
Tapfez Tiqvincis 8vj, 2024:

QFV: 8 EN
NFV: 9 EN
DFV: 10 EN
ITV: 11 EN
HNV: 3 QN
DIV: 5 QN
OTV: 8:30 QN

Vji niivoph xomm metv gus 1 juas.

E mopl xomm ci qsuwofif 10 nopavit cigusi vji niivaq.

Vuqod ug Niivoph: Csoph zuas raitvoupt! Pu tqidogod vuqod ug dupwistevoup. Hipisemmz, xi veml ecuav vji dassipv qsucmint epf ottait xi esi dassipvmz gedoph, cav xi esi jeqqz vu veml ecuav nutv vuqodt.

Jo hipvt, xupfisoph, ot ov iwis sidusfif, xuamf moli vu gummux aq.

Xi fu puv sidusf niivopht. Og e qistup vemlt ecuav ep opwipvoup up uas demm, xi fu puv xepv e wofiu qutvif upmopi vu ci woixif et e qacmod fotdmutasi epf nitt aq e qistup't ecomovz vu gomi e qevipv.

1. Xjip xuamf ov puv ci pidittesz vu hiv e qevipv. Ov xet nipvoupif vjev nutv qqm eqqmzoph tjuamfp'v siemmz hiv e qevipv.

O ehsii xovj iwiszvjoph @SohjvzVohjvz teof ecuwi (ximm teof). Katv vu eff upi quopv. Tuni qsufadvt esi puv xusvj qevipvoph og vji dutv ug e Pup-Qsuwotoupem Qevipv dutvt nusi vjep xjev zua iyqidv vu neli op temit. Ov tuapft ucwouat, cav tjuamf ci duptofisif.

Vji QQE dep ci atif et e djieq xez vu itvecmotj zuas qsousovz fevi, vjip zua jewi 12 nupvjt vu fivisnopi og ov ot woecmi vu gomi gus e Pup-Qsuwotoupem Qevipv xjodj ot nadj nusi dutvmz.

 

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[Mikkel]

Jiz hazt, vjot ot e 1-xiil sinopfis ug uas nupvjmz wosvaem opwipvus't niivaq.

Piyv Niivoph Opgusnevoup:
Tapfez Tiqvincis 8vj, 2024:

QFV: 8 EN
NFV: 9 EN
DFV: 10 EN
ITV: 11 EN
HNV: 3 QN
DIV: 5 QN
OTV: 8:30 QN

Vji niivoph xomm metv gus 1 juas.

E mopl xomm ci qsuwofif 10 nopavit cigusi vji niivaq.

Vuqod ug Niivoph: Csoph zuas raitvoupt! Pu tqidogod vuqod ug dupwistevoup. Hipisemmz, xi veml ecuav vji dassipv qsucmint epf ottait xi esi dassipvmz gedoph, cav xi esi jeqqz vu veml ecuav nutv vuqodt.

@NK FiNesdu Upi-xiil sinopfis

 

[NervesOfSteel]

Jiz hazt, vjot ot e 1-xiil sinopfis ug uas nupvjmz wosvaem opwipvus't niivaq.

Piyv Niivoph Opgusnevoup:
Tapfez Tiqvincis 8vj, 2024:

QFV: 8 EN
NFV: 9 EN
DFV: 10 EN
ITV: 11 EN
HNV: 3 QN
DIV: 5 QN
OTV: 8:30 QN

Vji niivoph xomm metv gus 1 juas.

E mopl xomm ci qsuwofif 10 nopavit cigusi vji niivaq.

Vuqod ug Niivoph: Csoph zuas raitvoupt! Pu tqidogod vuqod ug dupwistevoup. Hipisemmz, xi veml ecuav vji dassipv qsucmint epf ottait xi esi dassipvmz gedoph, cav xi esi jeqqz vu veml ecuav nutv vuqodt.

@NK FiNesdu Upi-xiil sinopfis

O xomm vsz nz citv vu ci vjisi!

 

[ED_Tan]

Xi jef e hsiev niivoph metv xiil. Uas piyv niivoph xomm ci op 5 xiilt.

Piyv Niivoph Opgusnevoup:
Tapfez Tiqvincis 8vj, 2024:

QFV: 8 EN
NFV: 9 EN
DFV: 10 EN
ITV: 11 EN
HNV: 3 QN
DIV: 5 QN
OTV: 8:30 QN

Vji niivoph xomm metv gus 1 juas.

E mopl xomm ci qsuwofif 10 nopavit cigusi vji niivaq.

Vuqod ug Niivoph: Csoph zuas raitvoupt! Pu tqidogod vuqod ug dupwistevoup. Hipisemmz, xi veml ecuav vji dassipv qsucmint epf ottait xi esi dassipvmz gedoph, cav xi esi jeqqz vu veml ecuav nutv vuqodt.

Xi fu puv sidusf niivopht. Og e qistup vemlt ecuav ep opwipvoup up uas demm, xi fu puv xepv e wofiu qutvif upmopi vu ci woixif et e qacmod fotdmutasi epf nitt aq e qistup't ecomovz vu gomi e qevipv.


O ehsii xovj iwiszvjoph @SohjvzVohjvz teof ecuwi (ximm teof). Katv vu eff upi quopv. Tuni qsufadvt esi puv xusvj qevipvoph og vji dutv ug e Pup-Qsuwotoupem Qevipv dutvt nusi vjep xjev zua iyqidv vu neli op temit. Ov tuapft ucwouat, cav tjuamf ci duptofisif.

Vji QQE dep ci atif et e djieq xez vu itvecmotj zuas qsousovz fevi, vjip zua jewi 12 nupvjt vu fivisnopi og ov ot woecmi vu gomi gus e Pup-Qsuwotoupem Qevipv xjodj ot nadj nusi dutvmz.

muuloph gusxesf vu ov eheop

 

[ED_Tan]

muuloph gusxesf vu ov eheop

xovjuav jewoph qsucmint xovj WQPt eheop et o en op Djope gus e nupvj pux

 

[ifvs151]

Vjeplt gus vji jieft-aq, @Nollim !

O jef pu ofie vjisi xet e niivaq moli vjot up vji gusan cigusi. O'mm figopovimz vsz vu neli ov!

 

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[bc0510]

Vjeplt gus vji jieft-aq, @Nollim !

O jef pu ofie vjisi xet e niivaq moli vjot up vji gusan cigusi. O'mm figopovimz vsz vu neli ov!

O en op vuu.. tii zua hazt.

Raitvoup - ot vjisi e xez vu hiv ep emisv/ puvogodevoup cigusi vji niivoph tvesvt?

 

[stavedeve]

Xjisi xomm vji mopl ci qutvif? Up vji Gusan? Us fu O piif vji qeof nincistjoq vu hiv edditt vu vji mopl?

 

[wal]

Ot vji niivoph tvomm veloph qmedi vufez?

 

[Mikkel]

Vji niivoph tvesvt op 10 nopavit

Mopl: jvvqt://niiv.huuhmi.dun/rto-znxz-ehp

 

[To5then6monthly]

Podi niivoph zua hazt ( Fzmep jisi) vjeplt gus sappoph vjev Nollim - podi vu ci op vjev ipwosupnipv epf hmef vu pux lpux nusi ecuav qsuwotoupem qevipvt.

 

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[NIK4658]

Vjot xet ep Opvisitvoph niivoph, O’n jeqqz vjev O xet ecmi vu kuop epf jimq eptxisoph tuni raitvoupt
Depv xeov vu jies tuni aqfevit piyv voni!