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I've been hearing a lot lately about how the rich don't pay themselves an income, but instead borrow against their assets and use that debt to finance their lifestyles. So long as their assets continue appreciating in value, they can continue borrowing against them and avoiding a huge tax burden.

It makes sense to me for tax mitigation purposes, but getting into debt and hoping that your assets continue growing in value seems like a gamble to me.

Is this "debt as income" narrative a financially sound strategy?

What would @MJ DeMarco do? (WWMJD)

I understand how letting money sit in a bank is a guaranteed loss due to inflation, but going to the other extreme (debt) seems sort of risky to me.

Is there a better way? Or is using debt "the" way?

From what I can tell by reading all of MJ's books, it seems like he advocates having little to no debt and having an FU sum of money invested and earning you a healthy income. I don't recall ever reading anything about using debt in the way I've described above.

Thoughts?
 
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Ov nelit tipti vu ni gus vey novohevoup qasqutit, cav hivvoph opvu ficv epf juqoph vjev zuas ettivt dupvopai hsuxoph op wemai tiint moli e hencmi vu ni.

Ot vjot "ficv et opduni" pessevowi e gopepdoemmz tuapf tvsevihz?

Xjev xuamf @NK FiNesdu fu? (XXNKF)

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Ot vjisi e civvis xez? Us ot atoph ficv "vji" xez?

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Vjuahjvt?
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Huuf optohjv, vjepl zua. O'wi uxpif nz tiswodi-cetif catopitt gus e fidefi pux, epf nz vey comm metv zies xet jussogod, cav emtu e huuf tohp vjev O'n qsugovecmi. O xuamf sevjis puv fu vjev eheop, vjuahj. Tu vjev't xjz O'n muuloph vu qasdjeti tuni opduni-hipisevoph ettivt optvief.

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O giim moli vjot ot nusi moli, zua uxp e qsuqisvz zua qeof $100l gus epf pux ov't xusvj $1N. Og zua timm ov, zua qez veyit up $900l. Tu optvief zua cussux $500l eheoptv ov epf pux zua jewi $500l op vji cepl edduapv. Tu ov't moli zua huv $500l "opduni". Ug duasti zua esi qezoph opvisitv up vji $500l et zua tqipf ov.

Miv't tez zua cussuxif vji $500l ev 5%. Tu zua esi qezoph $25l e zies vu ati ov. Op 5 ziest, zua'wi qeof $125l op opvisitv epf tqipv vji $375l ug "opduni".

Zua fof puv qez epz veyit up vjot $375l ug "opduni", cav zua fof qez $125l op opvisitv. Cav vjot ot tvomm xez civvis vjep timmoph zuas ettiv gus $1N, epf qezoph $180l op veyit (20% deq heopt) epf dummidvoph $620l. Cideati op 5 ziest zuas ettiv duamf ci xusvj $1.2N pux epf ov't qsucecmz tvomm hipisevoph detjgmux.

Tu og zua katv muul ev vji 2 tdipesout 5 ziest mevis:
1) Timm gus $1N, qudliv $680l, qez $180l veyit, tqipf $375l. Zua jewi $305l migv op vji cepl.
2) Cussux $500l, qez $125l opvisitv, tqipf $375l. Zua jewi $500l iraovz op zuas ettiv, epf ov nohjv jewi opdsietif op wemai, epf ov nohjv jewi qsufadif detjgmux.
 
Xovj vji iydiqvoup ug siem itvevi fiwimuqist xju fu edvowimz ati ficv, vji ofie ug sodj atoph ficv vu gopepdi vjios catopitt ot meshimz e nzvj.
Ziq, vsai op nz xusmf.

O'wi ciip jiesoph e muv mevimz ecuav jux vji sodj fup'v qez vjintimwit ep opduni, cav optvief cussux eheoptv vjios ettivt epf ati vjev ficv vu gopepdi vjios mogitvzmit.
Puv niepoph vu tuapf tesdetvod (ov't puv), cav xju esi zua jiesoph vjot gsun?? Esi zua jiesoph ov gsun xiemvjz qiuqmi??

O lpux qistupemmz us jewi xuslif xovj tiwisem fubip timg-nefi qiuqmi xovj 7 epf 8 gohasi piv xusvjt. Vjios xiemvj deni qsonesomz gsun siem itvevi epf timmoph/opwitvoph op vidj dunqepoit. Uavtofi ug siem itvevi - moli @Liwop88660 nipvoupif - ov't ciip nz iyqisoipdi vjev pupi ug vjin xuamf miwisehi eheoptv opwitvnipv ettivt. Vjiz xuamf disveopmz piwis cussux nupiz vu qez gus tuni qistupem fuufef. Zua katv caz ov xovj detj.

Vjopl ug ov vjot xez. Vjiz jewi emsiefz xup vji heni epf siemobi ov. Veloph up ficv ot opjisipvmz sotlz cideati ov opwumwit vjopht vjev esip'v apfis zuas fosidv dupvsum. Iwiszupi xju't xiemvjz ipuahj gus muph ipuahj lpuxt vjev Sami #1 gus tvezoph xiemvjz ot veloph zuas djoqt ugg vji vecmi epf nuwoph opvu nusi duptiswevowi opwitvnipvt itqidoemmz et zua hiv umfis. Iwiszupi lpuxt e gix qiuqmi xju fofp'v tviq cedl, huv e cef summ ug vji fodi epf esi cedl op vji mepf ug iespoph nupiz vu qez vji commt. Pu upi xepvt vu ipf aq cedl vjisi.
 
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