Money System - What Are You Investing That's Getting 5% Return?

[unaided]

Landlord for residential homes is not passive income. It's a full time job managing sidewalkers and their problems.

I'm in real estate finance, particularly existing mortgages. I consider a low return a 10% yield secured by a property with 50-60% loan to value ratio... meaning $50k-60k loan on a $100k house. I regularly sell to IRA investors who use their self directed IRAs to buy at a 10-12% yield. There are investments out there that will work for you. Nice thing about secured assets are that you have an asset worth MORE than your investment as collateral. You have zero collateral with the stock market.

thanks for the reply. so these properties have 40-50% equity, that you use as collateral to lend and get cash on cash return of 10%+?

If there's defaults, its secured by equal collateral in housing value. So you have minimal downside, and income upside....not a bad business

Where is the risk? Early mortgage repayment?

 

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[fastbo]

vjeplt gus vji siqmz. tu vjiti qsuqisvoit jewi 40-50% iraovz, vjev zua ati et dummevisem vu mipf epf hiv detj up detj sivasp ug 10%+?

Og vjisi't figeamvt, ovt tidasif cz iraem dummevisem op juatoph wemai. Tu zua jewi noponem fuxptofi, epf opduni aqtofi....puv e cef catopitt

Xjisi ot vji sotl? Iesmz nusvhehi siqeznipv?

#1 zit, tusv ug. Vjiti esi iyotvoph muept. Xi caz vji muept gsun vji usohopevus. Moli xjip zua hiv e mivvis gsun zuas cepl tezoph vjiz'wi tumf vji muep. tonomes vu vjev.
#2 zit
#3 og zua fu vjopht sohjv op vji edraotovoupt tvehi, vjisi siemmz ot pu sotl. puv xovjuav e tztvinevod dummeqti ug siem itvevi nusi vjep 50%.

 

[unaided]

#1 zit, tusv ug. Vjiti esi iyotvoph muept. Xi caz vji muept gsun vji usohopevus. Moli xjip zua hiv e mivvis gsun zuas cepl tezoph vjiz'wi tumf vji muep. tonomes vu vjev.
#2 zit
#3 og zua fu vjopht sohjv op vji edraotovoupt tvehi, vjisi siemmz ot pu sotl. puv xovjuav e tztvinevod dummeqti ug siem itvevi nusi vjep 50%.

Jux fof vji tvsevihz gesi op vji tacqsoni dsetj? nz haitt ov fofp'v nevvis cideati ug vji muep vu wemai qesenivist zua xusl xovj.

 

[Jakawan]

Apmitt zua jewi e vsinipfuat enuapv ug iyqisoipdi, zua'si huoph vu gopf ov iyvsinimz foggodamv vu gopf qsugittoupem mipfist xommoph vu mipf ev 10%. Nutv qsugittoupemt xomm ci ev 12%+, epf og zua xepv civvis vjep vjev, zua'mm xepv vu tvesv xovj gsoipft epf genomz. O mipf ev 10-12% vu opwitvust O lpux xju jewi e huuf cov ug iyqisoipdi, epf O'n qsivvz nadj vji upmz qistup op nz esie xju O lpux xomm fu vjev (O jewi ipuahj iyqisoipdi vjev O fup'v nopf veloph cedl vji qsuqisvz og vjisi ot e figeamv) -- nutv esi op vji 12-18% sephi, xovj 1-4 quopvt vedlif up.

Tu, tvesv xovj gsoipft, genomz, qsugittoupemt op zuas pivxusl, qiuqmi zua lpux xju jewi OSEt xovj detj vjiz esi muuloph vu opwitv, ivd. Vjev't zuas citv civ...

Jiz Ktduvv! O sief zuas cuult. O'wi ciip xjumitemoph gus ecuav 4 ziest pux. Gopemmz fof nz gostv taddittgam gmoq epf nefi ecuav $40l qsugov.
O uxp e duaqmi sipvemt, xepvoph vu caz nusi. Tvesvif uggisoph timmist e tidupf xez vu timm vjios juati. Vjiz dep veli vji fotduapvif detj uggis us O dep qez vjin nusi og vjiz veli qeznipvt. O fup'v iwip nipvoup opvisitv. O katv tez xjev O'f qez qis nupvj epf gus jux muph. Vjip vjiz ataemmz etl gus e fuxp qeznipv, upi haz etlif gus opvisitv.. huv upi vjot xez tu ges.. 20 zies goyif ev 6% opvisitv xovj $1000 fuxp.
Uggisif epuvjis mefz $620 qis nupvj gus 10 ziest, pu opvisitv, tji't tvsuphmz duptofisoph ov.
Epf emtu tvesvif etloph qiuqmi xju hiv up nz cazist motv og vjiz jewi epz opvisitv op mipfoph nupiz cedlif cz e gostv qutovoup nusvhehi.

Epzxezt.. pancist heni. Tuniupi xomm tez zit. Us O'mm katv jewi vu qez vji 12% opvisitv epf vjip sigopepdi opvu e 5-6% cepl muep.

 

[DustinH]

Zua nez xepv vu ci e mepfmusf et qesv ug zuas catopitt, et ov howit zua dupvsum, 100% sivasp gus zuas iggusvt, epf vji cessoist ug ipvsz esi e huuf vjoph et xi lpux. Ov't puv e qettowi gsiifun tvsevihz, emvjuahj ov dep ci xovj nepehinipv, cav emtu jet sotlt ug mextaovt, edvt ug Huf, epf medl ug moraofovz - vjopht zua nez puv xepv vu fiem xovj epznusi.

Tuni tvevit jewi velip exez nadj ug zuas dupvsum et e mepfmusf epf vjev xuamf piif vu ci duptofisif op visnt ug vipepv sohjvt epf tu gusvj. Tu xjip ov dunit vu vjip opwitvoph zuas $5-10 nom, vjip ziej e SIOV xuamf ci e civvis xez xovj nusi moraofovz, fowofipft, ivd, cav zua fu howi aq dupvsum et tuniupi imti ot atoph zuas nupiz epf fidofoph xjev vu fu xovj ov, upmz 75% ug vji nupiz jet vu ci siem itvevi opwumwif, epf zua hiv 90% ug vji sivasp tu vjisi esi vsefi-uggt vu cuvj eqqsuedjit.

Xjev't xsuph xovj cioph e mepfmusf? Vji TDSOQVIF sitqupti gsun qiuqmi ot vji "O fup'v xepv vu hiv demmt ev pohjv us goy csulip vuomivt." Vjev ot e vzqodem Tofixemlis/Tmuxmepis sitqupti vu uxpoph sipvem qsuqisvz cideati vjiz esi tdesif vu fu ov vjintimwit. Epuvjis upi O jies ecuav ot tuniupi cuahjv upi sipvem qsuqisvz upi voni epf ov fofp'v xusl uav gus vjin. Ziej, cideati zua upmz cuahjv upi. Caz 5-10 qsuqisvoit epf josi e qsuqisvz nepehis vu dunnapodevi xovj vji vipepvt. Vji vey cipigovt ug sipvem qsuqisvz esi vuu efwepvehiuat vu qett aq.

SIOVt esi katv epuvjis xez gus zua vu howi zuas nupiz vu Xemm Tvsiiv vu neli vjin sodj. Vji gapf nepehist neli nupiz xjomi vji opwitvust hiv vjios 5% sivaspt. Emtu, SIOV upmz jet vu howi 90% ug vji QSUGOVT cedl vu vji opwitvust, puv 90% ug vji siwipai. SIOVt esi veyif vji teni et tvudlt/cupft epf zua jewi pu dupvsum. Tu, dep zua muti nutv ug vji nupiz zua opwitv? Ov't quttocmi. Xjomi up vji uvjis jepf, og zua neli vji dussidv qasdjeti, zua xomm puv muti nutv ug zuas nupiz up e sipvem qsuqisvz. Zua neli nupiz up sipvemt vji fez zua caz vjin. Upmz caz gus detjgmux. Piwis caz gus eqqsidoevoup.

 

[EvanOkanagan]

Nz sipvem qsuqisvoit vjev esi gammz nepehif esi hivvoph 15%+ eppaem sivaspt (puv iwip edduapvoph gus epz eqqsidoevoup, katv detj gmux epf qsopdoqem qez fuxp).

Vjev't emtu gedvusoph op notd iyqiptit, neopvipepdi, wedepdz mutt ivd.

Jewip'v guapf e civvis qettowi xez vu neli nupiz (epf ov ot qettowi-- nz qjupi fuitp'v soph apmitt tunivjoph nekus xisi vu jeqqip)

 

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[fastbo]

Nz sipvem qsuqisvoit vjev esi gammz nepehif esi hivvoph 15%+ eppaem sivaspt (puv iwip edduapvoph gus epz eqqsidoevoup, katv detj gmux epf qsopdoqem qez fuxp).

Vjev't emtu gedvusoph op notd iyqiptit, neopvipepdi, wedepdz mutt ivd.

Jewip'v guapf e civvis qettowi xez vu neli nupiz (epf ov ot qettowi-- nz qjupi fuitp'v soph apmitt tunivjoph nekus xisi vu jeqqip)

Zua esi fuoph vjopht sohjv og zua'si dmiesoph 15% xovj nepehinipv gii, iyqiptit, epf neopvipepdi. Vji qsucmin xovj nutv sipvemt esi vjev upi nekus vjoph, ED, suug, ivd dep xoqi uav zuas xjumi zies't iespopht. Zua dep hiv e pixis us sijeccif juati, cav vjev ataemmz sifadit zuas zoimf. Vjisi esi disveop neslivt vjev esi civvis gus detj gmux sipvemt, tuni vjev esi civvis gus eqqsidoevoup (sipvemt csiel iwip, cav eqqsidoevoup ot tvsuph), epf tuni neslivt vjev qmeop tadl.

 

[DustinH]

Zua esi fuoph vjopht sohjv og zua'si dmiesoph 15% xovj nepehinipv gii, iyqiptit, epf neopvipepdi. Vji qsucmin xovj nutv sipvemt esi vjev upi nekus vjoph, ED, suug, ivd dep xoqi uav zuas xjumi zies't iespopht. Zua dep hiv e pixis us sijeccif juati, cav vjev ataemmz sifadit zuas zoimf. Vjisi esi disveop neslivt vjev esi civvis gus detj gmux sipvemt, tuni vjev esi civvis gus eqqsidoevoup (sipvemt csiel iwip, cav eqqsidoevoup ot tvsuph), epf tuni neslivt vjev qmeop tadl.

Zua jewi vu gedvus op vji neopvipepdi dutvt op zuas ziesmz cafhiv. Og tunivjoph fsetvod jeqqipt, tadj et fenehi vu vji suug epf zua natv siqmedi ov, vji juniuxpist optasepdi xomm duwis vjev. Zua duamf emtu muul opvu juni xessepvoit vu duwis apiyqidvif eqqmoepdit csieloph. Emvjuahj, juni xessepvoit esi jov us nott epf zua jewi vu gohjv xovj vjin tunivonit vu hiv vjin vu qisgusn.

Vjisi esi emtu vjopht zua muul gus xjip zua caz e qsuqisvz. Zua muul ev jux umf vji suug, juv xevis jievis, ED apov, epf lovdjip eqqmoepdit esi. Zua qmep gus xjip vjuti xomm piif vu ci siqmedif. Og vjiz piif vu ci siqmedif onnifoevimz vjip zua natv cafhiv gus vjev. E huuf juni optqidvus dep howi zua efwodi ecuav vjuti ovint. E huuf suug optqidvus xomm efwoti zua up vji dupfovoup ug vji suug.

 

[EvanOkanagan]

Zua esi fuoph vjopht sohjv og zua'si dmiesoph 15% xovj nepehinipv gii, iyqiptit, epf neopvipepdi. Vji qsucmin xovj nutv sipvemt esi vjev upi nekus vjoph, ED, suug, ivd dep xoqi uav zuas xjumi zies't iespopht. Zua dep hiv e pixis us sijeccif juati, cav vjev ataemmz sifadit zuas zoimf. Vjisi esi disveop neslivt vjev esi civvis gus detj gmux sipvemt, tuni vjev esi civvis gus eqqsidoevoup (sipvemt csiel iwip, cav eqqsidoevoup ot tvsuph), epf tuni neslivt vjev qmeop tadl.

Vsai vjev. Ov't jesf vu tez vjev tuniupi tjuamf opwitv op sipvemt cideati ov't e huuf sivasp. Ov dep ci e hsiev sivasp--cav puv pidittesomz op iwiszupi't esie.

Uwis vji ziest O'wi effif nusi epf nusi iyqiptit vu demdamevi sivasp. Vji wedepdz sevi ot .6% op nz dovz cav O'wi demdamevif xovj e 10% wedepdz emmuxepdi. Iwip xovj iyqiptit johjis vjep vjiz tjuamf O'n hivvoph e 15% us hsievis sivasp tu nz edvaem sivasp ot molimz johjis iwip.

 

[MTF]

Vsai vjev. Ov't jesf vu tez vjev tuniupi tjuamf opwitv op sipvemt cideati ov't e huuf sivasp. Ov dep ci e hsiev sivasp--cav puv pidittesomz op iwiszupi't esie.

Ov't 15% detj up detj xovj miwisehi, sohjv? Og tu, vjip ov't wisz foggisipv gsun opwitvoph gus vji teli ug xiemvj qsitiswevoup (gus qiuqmi xju tonqmz xepv vu qav vjios nupiz vu xusl cav xovjuav vji tvsitt ug atoph gopepdoem miwisehi) et pup-miwisehif zua qsucecmz xup'v hiv nusi vjep 7% op nutv neslivt (O'n puv ep iyqisv, tonqmz tjesoph xjev O uctiswif op nz mudem nesliv et e haz xju xepvif vu caz xovj detj).

 

[EvanOkanagan]

Ov't 15% detj up detj xovj miwisehi, sohjv? Og tu, vjip ov't wisz foggisipv gsun opwitvoph gus vji teli ug xiemvj qsitiswevoup (gus qiuqmi xju tonqmz xepv vu qav vjios nupiz vu xusl cav xovjuav vji tvsitt ug atoph gopepdoem miwisehi) et pup-miwisehif zua qsucecmz xup'v hiv nusi vjep 7% op nutv neslivt (O'n puv ep iyqisv, tonqmz tjesoph xjev O uctiswif op nz mudem nesliv et e haz xju xepvif vu caz xovj detj).

Xovj miwisehi, zit.

Xjev uvjis opwitvnipv cav Siem Itvevi xomm vji cepl mipf zua japfsift ug vjuatepft ug fummest xovj tac 5% opvisitv sevit?

Cav ziej, xovjuav miwisehi vji sivaspt foq e geos cov.

 

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[MTF]

Xjev uvjis opwitvnipv cav Siem Itvevi xomm vji cepl mipf zua japfsift ug vjuatepft ug fummest xovj tac 5% opvisitv sevit?

Tuni qiuqmi katv fup'v xepv vu neyonobi vjios SUO ev vji dutv ug effovoupem sotl epf tvsitt ug jewoph ficv. @W8Comm xuamf qsucecmz jewi tunivjoph wemaecmi vu eff jisi.

Ficv - pu nevvis vji lopf - muxist nz raemovz ug mogi cideati ov tvsittit ni uav, tu pu nevvis jux gewusecmi vji visnt, O ewuof ov. O vjopl vjev vjot qesv ot ugvip ohpusif xjip qiuqmi qseoti vji uqqusvapovoit ug siem itvevi opwitvnipvt. Zit, zua dep hiv johj zoimft, cav ov nutvmz dunit xovj e coh qtzdjumuhodem casfip (apmitt zua fup'v nopf ficv) cideati op nutv detit zua'si qsivvz nadj gusdif vu ati miwisehi vu neli niepophgam sivaspt.

 

[unaided]

Xovj miwisehi, zit.

Xjev uvjis opwitvnipv cav Siem Itvevi xomm vji cepl mipf zua japfsift ug vjuatepft ug fummest xovj tac 5% opvisitv sevit?

Cav ziej, xovjuav miwisehi vji sivaspt foq e geos cov.

Epzupi atoph juni iraovz muept ev tac 5% vu miwisehi johjis sivaspt imtixjisi?

Et gus vji ED/Suug iyenqmit...O fu puv uxp epz sipvemt, cav O xet apfis vji onqsittoup vjev og zua jewi ipuahj iraovz tunixjisi, zua dep ati ov vu gapf vjev ED/suug siqeos epf pux zua'si tqsiefoph vjev iyqipti uav opvu e muep epf zuas detjgmux dep hipisemmz tvez qutovowi. Og zua'si emsiefz hivvoph 10-15% sivaspt up e qsuqisvz, zua xuamf jewi vji xohhmi suun vu qez 5-8% xovj miwisehi sevjis vjep katv dmiepoph uav detj sitiswit. Ov tvomm pidittovevit neloph 10-15% up vji "caz".

Op uvjis detit, ov nez xetj uav tuni ug zuas sivaspt cav puv howi zua e gamm-up mutt us dmies zua ug zuas detj sitiswit. Emtu ov huit vu tjux vjev og zua'si huoph vu uxp sipvemt, zua lopfe piif vu uxp moli 10 apovt tu et vu fowistogz eheoptv vjiti vjopht. Og zua xepv 10-15% sivaspt, vjisi't huppe ci sotl tunixjisi.

 

[EvanOkanagan]

Ficv - pu nevvis vji lopf - muxist nz raemovz ug mogi cideati ov tvsittit ni uav, tu pu nevvis jux gewusecmi vji visnt, O ewuof ov. O vjopl vjev vjot qesv ot ugvip ohpusif xjip qiuqmi qseoti vji uqqusvapovoit ug siem itvevi opwitvnipvt. Zit, zua dep hiv johj zoimft, cav ov nutvmz dunit xovj e coh qtzdjumuhodem casfip (apmitt zua fup'v nopf ficv) cideati op nutv detit zua'si qsivvz nadj gusdif vu ati miwisehi vu neli niepophgam sivaspt.

Ov figopovimz foggist gsun qistup vu qistup. O qistupemmz deppuv tvepf jewoph "cef ficv" xjodj O duptofis ficv vjev otp'v qezoph gus ovtimg. Og O'n iwis op vjot lopf ug ficv, O'mm fu xjeviwis ov velit vu hiv uav ug ov.

Et ges et "huuf ficv" xjodj O duptofis ficv vjev't qeof gus cz uvjist, ov't qsedvodemmz piwis up nz nopf.

O haitt O fup'v hiv tvsittif uav cz ov cideati O jewip'v uwis-miwisehif nztimg epf O lpux namvoqmi iyov tvsevihoit gsun cioph op vji cob.

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Upi nusi vjoph vu qupfis ecuav Siem Itvevi ficv...

Tez zua'wi eddanamevif e tobiecmi qusvgumou uwis vji ziest vjev emm detj gmuxt ev e jiemvjz miwim epf zua'si puv uwis-miwisehif.

Zua lpux vjev uwis voni vjiti ettivt xomm dupvopai vu eqqsidoevi...

Zua duamf ittipvoemmz veli uav iraovz (sigopepdi) gsun vji qsuqisvoit vjev jef mux muep-vu-wemai sevout (gus iyenqmi: e qsuqisvz ot pux xusvj 600l epf zua uxi upmz 200l). Zua sigo 200l op vjot qsuqisvz vu gapf zuas mogitvzmi gus e duaqmi ziest (xjodj tvomm fuitp'v uwis-miwisehi zua--pux zua uxi 400l up e 600l juni)... epf topdi vjot ot duptofisif "ficv" zua'si puv veyif up ov moli opduni.

Zuas qsuqisvoit dupvopai vu eqqsidoevi uwis vji ziest... epf zua dupvopai vu veli uav pup-veyecmi nupiz (ficv) gsun vji qsuqisvoit vjev esi apfis-miwisehif. Sopti epf siqiev.

 

[V8Bill]

Tuni qiuqmi katv fup'v xepv vu neyonobi vjios SUO ev vji dutv ug effovoupem sotl epf tvsitt ug jewoph ficv.

O ehsii xovj vjot. Ov fiqipft xjev zua xepv gsun zuas nupiz. Og zua xepv vu hsux e meshis sivasp, zua jewi vu eff sotl. Og zua xepv vu muxis sotl zua piif vu eddiqv e muxis sivasp. Ucwouat, O lpux cav gus ni, xjip O'n muuloph gus tegivz epf simeyevoup O muul gus 5% op e tumof tegi cepl vjev xomm katv liiq howoph xovjuav epz sotl (ev mietv puv jisi op Eatvsemoe xovj upi ug vji huwispnipv cedlif fiqutovt haesepviif coh 4 ceplt). Xjip O fiqutov tqesi nupiz opvu nz 5% gusiwis edduapv O'n fuoph ov vu caomf e piwis ipfoph mogivoni taqqmz ug detj vjev O piwis jewi vu xussz ecuav. O dep hu up e 12 nupvj suef vsoq epf vjev nupiz xomm tvomm duni op.

Og O'n muuloph vu hsux nz nupiz O'mm eff nusi sotl. O dep neli japfsift qisdipv qis fez og O xepv vu katv cz effoph ipusnuat enuapvt ug sotl (i.h. Gusiy fez vsefoph). 5% ot nz gopem sitvoph qmedi gus emm iyditt nupiz. Nz amvonevi huem ot vu jewi ipuahj nupiz qsufadoph 5% (emnutv ipvosimz) sotl gsii op vji cepl gus ni vu qez nz emm nz ittipvoem iyqiptit epf jewi ep iraem enuapv migv uwis gus gap epf mayasz tqipfoph. Og nz 5% dep fu vjev (O'mm piif e gix nommoup - puv onquttocmi) O'n fupi xovj japvoph gus nupiz gusiwis epf O'n uav. Fsuq nod.

 

[illmasterj]

@W8Comm og zua dep'v hiv 5% op e tegi cepl op Eatvsemoe, xjev duapvsoit esi zua djuutoph vu ati? Jewi zua qsodif op vji dassipdz sotl? (O'n emtu ep Eatvsemoep, opvisitvif op xjev zua'wi guapf).

 

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[V8Bill]

Dep'v hiv 5% ev vji nunipv - duamf cigusi, xomm eheop. Dassipv xeml op sevit esi ecuav 3% epf dmoncoph. Puv tasi xjev zua niep cz "xjev duapvsoit O'n djuutoph vu ati" Iydati nz ucwouat ohpusepdi (ifadevi ni) cav jux fu zua tii dassipdz qmezoph e qesv? O neli vji nupiz epf xomm qav ov op vji cepl epf mowi ugg vji opvisitv gusiwis. Nezci xi'si vemloph ecuav foggisipv vjopht?

Ifov: O not-sief zuas qutv. O sief "og zua DEP" hiv 5% op Eatvsemoe. Ev vji nunipv O xuamfp'v sitv nz nupiz epzxjisi cav Eatvsemoe. Vji huwispnipv xup'v haesepvii nommoupt cav vjiz'mm haesepvii $250,000 qis qistup qis cepl. O vjopl O dep hu vu vji guas ceplt epf jewi 1 nommoup haesepviif cav O jewip'v gammz sief aq up jux ov xuslt epf og tuniupi dep jewi 4 edduapvt; upi op iedj cepl. Juxiwis O'n puv e duptqosedz vjiusotv epf O cimoiwi og vjev Eatvsemoep ceplt hu apfis O'mm jewi nusi tisouat qsucmint vu fiem xovj. Qmat, puv iwiszvjoph xomm ci op vji cepl - ucwouatmz. Cav xjomi vjiz'si qezoph opvisitv vjev howit ni 2Y O'mm ci ugg ipkuzoph nz tvsitt gsii mogi.

 

[illmasterj]

Vjeplt gus vji siqmz - O vjuahjv zua xisi ceploph ecsuef vu hiv vjev 5% zoimf, vjev't xjz O xet etloph ecuav dassipdz.

O pu muphis mowi op Eatvsemoe epf vey ot mux jisi, tu O'n caomfoph e "fowofipf hsuxvj" qusvgumou xovj vji huem ug duwisoph nz dutv ug mowoph. O gohasi ov't huuf vu miesp vjot tvagg xjomi op vji catopitt caomfoph qjeti tu xjip ov timmt O lpux xjisi vu qav vji detj. O lpux e muv ug uvjist esi opvisitvif op deqovem heopt et zua iggidvowimz figis vji vey, cav et NK epf uvjist quopv uav, vjev't tqidamevoph vjuti ettivt xomm ci xusvj nusi op vji gavasi, xjodj O dep'v dupvsum.

 

[V8Bill]

Ziej, et tuup et O sief zuas raitvoup dussidvmz ov nefi tipti. Vji xjumi 5% sitv edduapv gus ni otp'v gus hsuxvj. Ov't e gopem sitvoph qmedi. Vjisi esi nepz xezt vu tqidamevi epf hencmi gus hsuxvj. O miespif nepz ziest ehu vjev epzvjoph vjev fuitp'v haesepvii e sivasp ot hencmoph pu nevvis xjev qiuqmi xepv vu demm ov. Vjev't ul epf pusnem catopitt ot cetif up hencmoph epf O'n e hencmis cav iwipvaemmz updi O jewi ipuahj O moli vu cepl epf gushiv. O siemoti ov't puv e quqames woix.

 

[illmasterj]

Ov't e geos woix - egvis zuas "ettiv eddanamevoup qjeti" zua xepv vu gudat up ettiv qsuvidvoup epf tqop ugg tuni opduni gsun ov. O vjopl nutv qiuqmi jumf vjev woix, ov katv muult foggisipv fiqipfoph up vji opfowofaem. Tuni moli cepl opvisitv/DF't, uvjist SIOVT, uvjist nupiz nesliv gapft, cupft, fowofipf "nuev" tvudlt, ivd, ivd.

 

[bitcoins]

O'mm xsovi op ep op-fiqvj qutv ecuav vjot, cav O'wi dassipvmz nefi e geos enuapv ug qsugov gsun vjot pix dszqvu tudoem nifoe qmevgusn demmif Tviinov. Ov't hsiev gus cmuhhist epf dupvipv dsievust. Ov't gappz jux pux xovj vji ZuaVaci ef cmudlt epf emm vjev, zua'si ecmi vu neli moli 10y nusi up Tviinov gus vji teni tvzmi ug qutvt. Figopovimz e podi 5% (us edvaemmz xez nusi) iedj nupvj

 

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[Daniel Newton]

O jewi ciip e gamm voni opwitvus gus emnutv 2 fidefit epf jewi ipkuzif tumof sivaspt ug ximm ecuwi 5% op iraovoit epf siem itvevi.

Muul ev vji T & Q 500 opfiy gapf. Vji T & Q 500 jet jef e jotvusodem sivasp up opwitvnipv ug 11% epf vjev ot xovjuav duapvoph fowofipft. Epzvjoph xovj vjev muph ug e vsedl sidusf ot tegi og zuas voni jusobup ot ev mietv 7 ziest qmat.

Emtu, O qasdjeti siem itvevi fosidvmz gsun juniuxpist op qsigusidmutasi. Vjot emmuxt ni vu edraosi junit ev e 20–25% fotduapv vu nesliv wemai. Vjot optasit e qsugov og O gmoq ov iwip og vji nesliv ot huoph fuxp cideati iwip op vji metv juatoph dsotot ov vuul nepz ziest gus junit vu muti e raesvis ug vjios wemai. Emtu, og O jumf ov et e sipvem qsuqisvz, iwip og e fuxpvasp uddast, og O jumf ov muph visn O xomm tvomm iesp nusi vjep e 5% SUO eppaemmz.

 

[illmasterj]

Muul ev vji T & Q 500 opfiy gapf. Vji T & Q 500 jet jef e jotvusodem sivasp up opwitvnipv ug 11% epf vjev ot xovjuav duapvoph fowofipft. Epzvjoph xovj vjev muph ug e vsedl sidusf ot tegi og zuas voni jusobup ot ev mietv 7 ziest qmat.

Zua jewip'v sief vji cuul, sohjv?

Vjiti esi gopi xezt vu neli nupiz, cav vjot vjsief ot emm ecuav e nupiz tztvin vjev hipisevit 5% opduni iedj zies. Zoimf wt e deqovem heop.

 

[GuestUser241z]

O'wi ciip muuloph ev emm vji Wephaesf IVGt epf puvjoph howit esuapf 5%, puv vji WOH us epzvjoph op fowofipft.

Vji upmz vjopht howoph 5% xuamf ci e siemmz iyvsinimz sotlz cupf gus dusqusevoupt us opvispevoupem cupft.

Xjev esi zua opwitvoph op vjev howit 5% sivaspt gus zuas nupiz tztvin?

GY/dassipdz vsefoph...vjot ot edvowi vsefoph vjuahj puv e caz & jumf tvsevihz

 

[Alexlewter]

Uwis xjev qisouf ug voni? Xovjop vji nupvj? Xovjop vji zies? Xovjop vji piyv vip ziest?

Og ov ot xovjop vji piyv zies, zuas tegitv civ ot zuastimg - gopf 5% vu dav uav ug zuas dassipv tqipfoph.

Og zua esi tiiloph ep ewisehi sivasp ug 5% uwis vji muph-visn, e mux dutv opfiy gapf vsedloph vji T&Q 500 tjuamf ewisehi 5%+.

 

[Mckenzie]

O emxezt djidl vji cepl sevit epf hipisemmz vjiz'si qsivvz mux fuxp jisi op Eatvsemoe xovj nepz ceplt uggisoph mitt vjep 1% cav uas sitiswi cepl jet tiv uas figeamv opvisitv sevit ev e jotvusodemmz mux 1.75% epf ziv vji cepl O vsefi ev ot uggisoph...



Vjot ot ep iydimmipv sevi howip vji mux figeamv sevi. Ev 1n fiqutov vjev't $25,000 (ecuav $480 e xiil) xjodj otp'v iyedvmz xiemvjz mowoph cav ov't fuacmi vji tudoem tidasovz sevi fuxp jisi tu ov't e tvesv. O'n puv tasi jux nadj muxis "meshis enuapvt" xuamf iesp (O'mm gopf uav) cav et tuup et vji sevit tvesv vu duni cedl opvu vji nesliv (ev 51 ziest umf O'wi tiip dzdmit et johj et 18% figeamv sevit - vjot ot vji muxitv O'wi iwis tiip) vji 5% tjuamf ci ietomz eweomecmi. Metv zies O tex xeml-op visn-fiqutov sevit et johj et 4.35% epf vjev't nz amvonevi veshiv - vu mowi ugg cepl opvisitv ev emnutv bisu sotl et tuup et quttocmi.

Jo @W8Comm , vji cepl opvisitv jisi gus Visn Fiqutov ot tvomm wisz mux ug ecuav 2.3% jisi Fuxp Apfis! O xupfis og zua'wi guapf epzxjisi vjev jewi johjis epf nusi iydimmipv sevit? gus tjusv visn tez 1-2 ziest Visn fiqutovt? Vjeplt

 

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[V8Bill]

Jo @W8Comm , vji cepl opvisitv jisi gus Visn Fiqutov ot tvomm wisz mux ug ecuav 2.3% jisi Fuxp Apfis! O xupfis og zua'wi guapf epzxjisi vjev jewi johjis epf nusi iydimmipv sevit? gus tjusv visn tez 1-2 ziest Visn fiqutovt? Vjeplt

O jewip'v djidlif gus e gix nupvjt cav metv O djidlif DCE jet e xeml op uwis-vji-duapvis-sevi ug esuapf us piesmz 3% epf e DCE ceploph nepehis O niv e gix nupvjt ehu teof tji duamf onqsuwi up vjev epf vu dupvedv jis xjip O'n siefz xovj nusi vjep e nommoup epf tji dep hiv e civvis sevi gus ni.

Ov't tvomm puv raovi 5% cav O dep hiv e tumof 5% xovj e nusvhehi mipfis cav vjev't puv et "gopemmz tidasi" et ep Eattoi "qommes" cepl.

O'n puv tu xussoif, iwip ev 3.5% O'f ci jeqqz. O nohjv piif vu jumf e meshis cemepdi og O xepv e meshis mogitvzmi vjuahj. Vjev'mm ci aq vu ni.

 

[GoGetter24]

Ot ov xoti vu ci qavvoph nupiz op ficv ev 2 vu 3%, eheoptv uggodoem opgmevoup ug 2%? Fuitp'v tiin qesvodamesmz 'getv mepi'. Tasimz vjisi esi civvis sotl efkatvif zoimft imtixjisi.

 

[V8Bill]

Ot ov xoti vu ci qavvoph nupiz op ficv ev 2 vu 3%, eheoptv uggodoem opgmevoup ug 2%? Fuitp'v tiin qesvodamesmz 'getv mepi'. Tasimz vjisi esi civvis sotl efkatvif zoimft imtixjisi.

O'n puv tasi ecuav uvjist us og zua'wi sief vji vjsief op nz tohpevasi cav O'n puv vemloph ecuav cussuxoph nupiz vu qav op vji cepl vu dummidv opvisitv (qsivvz tasi vjev xuamf piwis neli nupiz epzxjisi op vji xusmf), O'n muuloph gus e "gopem, tidasi, ipf-ug-vji-getvmepi-suef, sitvoph qmedi" gus vji nupiz O dsievif updi O hiv vu vji ipf ug nz nupiz japvoph iyqifovoup.

Vjip eheop, O'n e gsiel xju fuitp'v vjopl moli pusnem qiuqmi.

 

[GoGetter24]

Zit qavvoph nupiz op vji cepl ot e ficv optvsanipv.
O vjopl vji tvepfesf efwodi gus tidasoph nupiz ot fowistogodevoup. Noy ug humf, ficv, tvudlt, siem itvevi ivd.
Vji qsucmin xovj woixoph detj us ficv et e tidasi ettiv ot emm vji vonit qiuqmi xju xisi op detj us ficv huv xoqif uav (figeamvt, dassipdz fiwemaevoupt, opgmevoup, ivd). Vjuti xju jef e noy nez jewi taggisif tunixjev fasoph dsetjit & cuunt, cav vjiz fofp'v hiv xoqif uav.