Personality is a scam

[Darklight]

I took this MBTI test three times past three months - and each time different, first it was ENTP type, then after socialising, valuing my feelings and being more human loving it turned into ENFP with high extraversion and super prospecting nature, read couple of books, got super confident and HEALED my trauma a lot and boom - it is ENTJ personality type - we can't be fit into "types", come on, this is a real evidence right in front of your eyes - each time different "you" comes out with each situation - there's a choice, either you choose your identity and who you will end up being or some stupid test or a funny friend with sarcastic jokes will do it for you.

I hope your choice will be wise one.

 

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[Lex DeVille]

I took this MBTI test three times past three months - and each time different, first it was ENTP type, then after socialising, valuing my feelings and being more human loving it turned into ENFP with high extraversion and super prospecting nature, read couple of books, got super confident and HEALED my trauma a lot and boom - it is ENTJ personality type - we can't be fit into "types", come on, this is a real evidence right in front of your eyes - each time different "you" comes out with each situation - there's a choice, either you choose your identity and who you will end up being or some stupid test or a funny friend with sarcastic jokes will do it for you.

I hope your choice will be wise one.

Weren't you just proclaiming your schizophrenia a couple of weeks ago...

 

[Darklight]

Weren't you just proclaiming your schizophrenia a couple of weeks ago...

Lex, long story, buddy ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

 

[socaldude]

Personality is a real “thing”. It encompasses many mechanisms. There is no doubt about this.

You can define and interpret it in many ways though. Changing and becoming aware of your personality is not an easy thing though.

Pyotr Demianovich Ouspenskii wrote an interesting book called “In search of the miraculous” which talks about Gurdjieff’s teachings. It was one of my favorite books as a teenager.

It’s very different from academia type psychology though. Very hard to apply and understand though. LOL

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Way#:~:text=Gurdjieff%20divided%20people's%20being%20into,learned%22%20and%20%22seen%22.

Your True Nature: Essence vs. Personality - Minds Ease

 

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[Johnny boy]

Okay now take an IQ test

 

[Devilery]

I don't particularly care about the science behind it but my MBTI result has been the same for about a decade. I take it annualy and it hasn't changed. However, as a person I've definitely changed - suicidual self-proclaimed sociopath, hippie love-everyone-and-everything, aspiring athlete, vegan, entrepreneur, digital nomad, those are just some of the changes/identities I've had, which makes me believe the results are not random otherwise the personality type would have changed as well.

 

[Kevin88660]

I took this MBTI test three times past three months - and each time different, first it was ENTP type, then after socialising, valuing my feelings and being more human loving it turned into ENFP with high extraversion and super prospecting nature, read couple of books, got super confident and HEALED my trauma a lot and boom - it is ENTJ personality type - we can't be fit into "types", come on, this is a real evidence right in front of your eyes - each time different "you" comes out with each situation - there's a choice, either you choose your identity and who you will end up being or some stupid test or a funny friend with sarcastic jokes will do it for you.

I hope your choice will be wise one.

It could be you are mid way between some opposing characteristics. Hence that explains the variance.

 

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[Darklight]

I don't particularly care about the science behind it but my MBTI result has been the same for about a decade. I take it annualy and it hasn't changed. However, as a person I've definitely changed - suicidual self-proclaimed sociopath, hippie love-everyone-and-everything, aspiring athlete, vegan, entrepreneur, digital nomad, those are just some of the changes/identities I've had, which makes me believe the results are not random otherwise the personality type would have changed as well.

Just my opinion though, but it is pure placebo effect, both yours and mine, you're what you think you are - view on life that is my favourite is that you're not even your thoughts, emotions and body, you are the one who is witnessing, which means that personality types are pure scam to me for now, glad that you have did all of that
Results are not random - you get what you choose, that's the soup of the test, you will get your current identity at the moment of taking the test, it simply mirrors to you who you think you are based on either past or future

 

[Darklight]

It could be you are mid way between some opposing characteristics. Hence that explains the variance.

Maybe it is what you think, but my fave view is that it is a lie, you can be anyone you want - and for sure most of the "weaknesses" are self fulfilling prophecy, and plus a lot of trauma

 

[Saad Khan]

Read "Personality isn't permanent"

 

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[Simon Angel]

Jungian functions, not MBTI is what you should be looking at to determine your actual type. Also, enneagram for your behavioural motivations.

I've been avoiding profiling people and studying it this past year – after doing so for more than 5. Not because it's BS, but because it sucked the fun out of meeting new people. I'd immediately know (or accurately speculate) of the person's type and would view them through this secondary, judgemental lens they had no idea about.

Also, your personality can't change unless you're very, very mentally ill. Lots of people doubt this, though, but that's because you're looking at it from a personality type = behaviour rather than personality type = cognition/thought processes POV.

Be honest wirh yourself:

Has that person inside your head, the real you without all of the masks you carry in your workplace and relationships, actually SIGNIFICANTLY changed since you were mentally fully developed?

For some that's around 16-17, for others early to mid 20d.

Personally, I've gone back and read chats I had with people in 2011-2012. I was 13-14 back then, HALF my current age, and had forgotten about said interactions.

The weird part? As I was going through the convo (with zero recollection) I had a few visceral reactions to what the person texting me had said and noticed that I pointed them out at the spot, just as I would have now. It gets even weirder, though...

I thought about how I'd reply today and, fascinatingly, every single reply I made to that person matched about 80-100% to how I'd reply today. And that was when I was barely a teen.

I looked up chats when I was 17-18, there I am almost indistinguishable from my current self. Am I smarter? Yeah. Wiser? Yes. Has my personality changed? I thought so, but apparently not.

In my early 20s after some traumatic events I had an identity crisis. That's why I spent years reading personality theory and going between types myself.

Acceptance and the DISREGARDING of "personality type limitations" are the way to go. History has shown there were people of every personality type in, well, everything. It's not a handicap, and it's certainly nothing to brag about.

Just get what you want out of life and be curious and accepting of other people and your differences.

 

[Panos Daras]

I do not like personality tests. When I need to know my personality I simply light a fire and sacrifice a goat to Zeus.

If the blood of the goat goes left I am an introvert. If it goes right I am an extrovert. If it goes towards the fire it means that I am definitely an ambivert.

My system seems a bit unscientific, but trust me it is more scientific than most personality tests and far more reliable after vigorous testing that I did.

 

[Kevin88660]

Maybe it is what you think, but my fave view is that it is a lie, you can be anyone you want - and for sure most of the "weaknesses" are self fulfilling prophecy, and plus a lot of trauma

You could be scoring consistently for the same result but that doesn’t prove personality test is real or not useful.

When it comes to test and types we are looking for predictive power. I think personality types have less predictive power than horoscope.

 

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[Simon Angel]

When it comes to test and types we are looking for predictive power. I think personality types have less predictive power than horoscope.

The most ridiculous take I've read so far.

You're comparing personality theory (because there's no hard science behind it yet, but I'm certain A.I. will provide further insight soon) with astrology, which is esotericism.

Astrology = The Forer Effect

MBTI = The Forer Effect (to a considerable extent)

Jungian/Cognitive functions = as close to real as you can get

Why?

Because when you post a long rant on how you think MBTI is BS because you're special and can't be put into a box, I know you're a high Fi type. ENFP/INFP usually do this.

And when you do the same but critique MBTI because it keeps showing you a different type based on your moods and come up with your own rational explanations on why it's BS, I know you're a high Ti type—most probably an ENTP or INTP.

Finally, when you critique MBTI for one or both of the reasons above but start referencing what some renowned psychologist said about it being BS or linking academic studies to prove your point, I know you're most likely an INTJ that needs to get a life.

Oh, and ENTJ/ESTJ people usually see the value of this and just roll with what's available without wasting their time thinking about it. They've got better things to do anyway, plus they now know how to better manage (i.e. control) their employees or manipulate their boss, so why would they care that it's an imperfect system?

This is because of high Te – being practical by taking what works and using it for personal gain INSTEAD OF critiquing it because it's flawed and you mistrust everything that doesn't come from your own logical conclusions (Ti)....

...OR flat-out rejecting it because it doesn't fit your reality. Or rather, because you don't want it to fit your reality because you believe everyone is special and can't be labeled and put in a box. So much so that just considering that the opposite might be true would mean the world isn't what you want it to be, and that's scary/disappointing/uncomfortable. (Fi)

To sum up:

Ti = I don't trust you, bro. You gotta explain it to me in a way that makes sense to me or this is BS. In fact, I've already got theories and observations on why this is BS.

Te = Huh. Looks like there's some truth in this, now how can I use it to gain an unfair advantage in my life....

Fi = This can't be true because I don't view the world that way. It violates my core principles and deep-seated beliefs that I'm a unique human being and not some pre-programmed/redundant model. I'm ready to argue with the power of all of my feelings to prove it!

And one final but VERY important reminder:

Every personality type has access to and uses ALL 8 functions, but prioritizes 4 of them in a descending order. Instead of nitpicking the theory—although most of you seem to only be aware of MBTI and not Jungian functions, which is a much more complete system—take note of your strong points and how they have benefited your life and the lives of those around you, and then take note of your weaknesses (in the form of less prioritized cognitive functions) and work on them to become a better person.

 

[Kevin88660]

The most ridiculous take I've read so far.

You're comparing personality theory (because there's no hard science behind it yet, but I'm certain A.I. will provide further insight soon) with astrology, which is esotericism.

Astrology = The Forer Effect

MBTI = The Forer Effect (to a considerable extent)

Jungian/Cognitive functions = as close to real as you can get

Why?

Because when you post a long rant on how you think MBTI is BS because you're special and can't be put into a box, I know you're a high Fi type. ENFP/INFP usually do this.

And when you do the same but critique MBTI because it keeps showing you a different type based on your moods and come up with your own rational explanations on why it's BS, I know you're a high Ti type—most probably an ENTP or INTP.

Finally, when you critique MBTI for one or both of the reasons above but start referencing what some renowned psychologist said about it being BS or linking academic studies to prove your point, I know you're most likely an INTJ that needs to get a life.

Oh, and ENTJ/ESTJ people usually see the value of this and just roll with what's available without wasting their time thinking about it. They've got better things to do anyway, plus they now know how to better manage (i.e. control) their employees or manipulate their boss, so why would they care that it's an imperfect system?

This is because of high Te – being practical by taking what works and using it for personal gain INSTEAD OF critiquing it because it's flawed and you mistrust everything that doesn't come from your own logical conclusions (Ti)....

...OR flat-out rejecting it because it doesn't fit your reality. Or rather, because you don't want it to fit your reality because you believe everyone is special and can't be labeled and put in a box. So much so that just considering that the opposite might be true would mean the world isn't what you want it to be, and that's scary/disappointing/uncomfortable. (Fi)

To sum up:

Ti = I don't trust you, bro. You gotta explain it to me in a way that makes sense to me or this is BS. In fact, I've already got theories and observations on why this is BS.

Te = Huh. Looks like there's some truth in this, now how can I use it to gain an unfair advantage in my life....

Fi = This can't be true because I don't view the world that way. It violates my core principles and deep-seated beliefs that I'm a unique human being and not some pre-programmed/redundant model. I'm ready to argue with the power of all of my feelings to prove it!

And so on...

My remarks has more to do with me thinking highly of horoscope than me belittling personality types.

The whole thing about putting people into “types” has to do with the model you are using.

Your model is only as useful as your predictive power and utility.

 

[Simon Angel]

My remarks has more to do with me thinking highly of horoscope than me belittling personality types.

The whole thing about putting people into “types” has to do with the model you are using.

Your model is only as useful as your predictive power and utility.

Well, it sure looks like the User Power system is working as intended whenever I read your posts.

 

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[Darklight]

The most ridiculous take I've read so far.

You're comparing personality theory (because there's no hard science behind it yet, but I'm certain A.I. will provide further insight soon) with astrology, which is esotericism.

Astrology = The Forer Effect

MBTI = The Forer Effect (to a considerable extent)

Jungian/Cognitive functions = as close to real as you can get

Why?

Because when you post a long rant on how you think MBTI is BS because you're special and can't be put into a box, I know you're a high Fi type. ENFP/INFP usually do this.

And when you do the same but critique MBTI because it keeps showing you a different type based on your moods and come up with your own rational explanations on why it's BS, I know you're a high Ti type—most probably an ENTP or INTP.

Finally, when you critique MBTI for one or both of the reasons above but start referencing what some renowned psychologist said about it being BS or linking academic studies to prove your point, I know you're most likely an INTJ that needs to get a life.

Oh, and ENTJ/ESTJ people usually see the value of this and just roll with what's available without wasting their time thinking about it. They've got better things to do anyway, plus they now know how to better manage (i.e. control) their employees or manipulate their boss, so why would they care that it's an imperfect system?

This is because of high Te – being practical by taking what works and using it for personal gain INSTEAD OF critiquing it because it's flawed and you mistrust everything that doesn't come from your own logical conclusions (Ti)....

...OR flat-out rejecting it because it doesn't fit your reality. Or rather, because you don't want it to fit your reality because you believe everyone is special and can't be labeled and put in a box. So much so that just considering that the opposite might be true would mean the world isn't what you want it to be, and that's scary/disappointing/uncomfortable. (Fi)

To sum up:

Ti = I don't trust you, bro. You gotta explain it to me in a way that makes sense to me or this is BS. In fact, I've already got theories and observations on why this is BS.

Te = Huh. Looks like there's some truth in this, now how can I use it to gain an unfair advantage in my life....

Fi = This can't be true because I don't view the world that way. It violates my core principles and deep-seated beliefs that I'm a unique human being and not some pre-programmed/redundant model. I'm ready to argue with the power of all of my feelings to prove it!

And one final but VERY important reminder:

Every personality type has access to and uses ALL 8 functions, but prioritizes 4 of them in a descending order. Instead of nitpicking the theory—although most of you seem to only be aware of MBTI and not Jungian functions, which is a much more complete system—take note of your strong points and how they have benefited your life and the lives of those around you, and then take note of your weaknesses (in the form of less prioritized cognitive functions) and work on them to become a better person.

Chill, we're all gonna die

 

[Kevin88660]

Well, it sure looks like the User Power system is working as intended whenever I read your posts.

When you lump people into types you try to capture unchanging elements.

I do agree with OP that certain personality elements are actually personal choices and can be learnt and changed with experience.

Example people can learn to be less judging and more perceptive as they receive new information challenging their original opinions.

If someone mixes with people he likes or share a common interest he definitely can be more extroverted.

It is not like horoscope where it states water signed individuals tend to have more intense emotions, something that is less likely to be changed.

Another thing to do with personality test’s flaw is it requires the subject to take a test. It is basically tells me who you are and then I will tell you who you are. That is the problem of all tests in general. Whereas horoscopes requires only a birthday. In terms of predictive power/available information that is quite high.

But I don’t fall into the camp that personality test is BS. Anything that stands history of time and is still being used is always to an extend useful.

Just that I don’t think it is a very efficient tool in term of predictive power/available information. You need to subject to do a test consists of pages of questions and he or she has to answer them honestly.

 

[Simon Angel]

When you lump people into types you try to capture unchanging elements.

I've no idea what you even mean here, but since you "think" there's more value in astrology than personality tests, I don't want to.

I do agree with OP that certain personality elements are actually personal choices and can be learnt and changed with experience.

Looks like you did not read my posts or just did selective reading. I've made a point to write about this.

Example people can learn to be less judging and more perceptive as they receive new information challenging their original opinions.

You're still thinking of MBTI where the test scores you on an E/I, N/S, T/F, and P/J spectrum. Jung's cognitive functions are a far more sophisticated typing system THAT IS TO BE STUDIED BY THE INDIVIDUAL, not tested for. This is the main topic in both of my posts and it's pretty F*cking appalling that went over your head.

I won't even bother replying to the rest because you either severely lack reading comprehension or are not even making an effort to read in the first place.

 

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[Lex DeVille]

Chill, we're all gonna die

How can you die if you are the observer?

 

[Black_Dragon43]

Finally, when you critique MBTI for one or both of the reasons above but start referencing what some renowned psychologist said about it being BS or linking academic studies to prove your point, I know you're most likely an INTJ that needs to get a life.

Yep, that's me!

I used to be ENTJ though when I was a teen. Around my early 20s I morphed into INTJ, and now I'm a very entrenched one.

 

[Kevin88660]

Well, it sure looks like the User Power system

I've no idea what you even mean here, but since you "think" there's more value in astrology than personality tests, I don't want to.


Looks like you did not read my posts or just did selective reading. I've made a point to write about this.


You're still thinking of MBTI where the test scores you on an E/I, N/S, T/F, and P/J spectrum. Jung's cognitive functions are a far more sophisticated typing system THAT IS TO BE STUDIED BY THE INDIVIDUAL, not tested for. This is the main topic in both of my posts and it's pretty F*cking appalling that went over your head.

I won't even bother replying to the rest because you either severely lack reading comprehension or are not even making an effort to read in the first place.

Why don’t you create a post and educate everyone the benefits of Jung’s cognitive systems? I guess since most have not heard of it other than MBTI.

 

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[Simon Angel]

Yep, that's me!

I used to be ENTJ though when I was a teen. Around my early 20s I morphed into INTJ, and now I'm a very entrenched one.

Lol, you're the first person I thought of that would do that as I was writing it!

 

[Simon Angel]

Why don’t you create a post and educate everyone the benefits of Jung’s cognitive systems? I guess since most have not heard of it other than MBTI.

What for? There's already a thread (not mine) where I've contributed extensively over the years in the comments and people still create these landfill threads without doing some research first.

I can think of better uses of my time unless I get into personality typing/coaching for a billion dollars an hour.

HOT! - MINDSET - Are you an ENTP and wonder why you can't get things done when working for yourself?

Hello friends, are you an ENTP? Are you struggling with finishing things? Are you wondering why you can't seem to follow the monk-like discipline you crave so much? This post is for you. (ps: This post may also apply to INTP, INFP, and ENFP, but it's not guaranteed. It has been primarily...

www.thefastlaneforum.com

 

[Kak]

I'm on the line of every category. I get different results every time I take it. Today I'm an ISTP.

According to the analysis I'm 51% one thing and 49% the opposite in 2 categories. The introversion extroversion thing, and prospecting judging.

I'm always close on the observant and intuitive thing. It depends on how practical the test thinks I am that day.

The only thing I always get is the T.

It's a little interesting, but ultimately a waste of time.

 

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[Black_Dragon43]

I'm on the line of every category. I get different results every time I take it. Today I'm an ISTP.

According to the analysis I'm 51% one thing and 49% the opposite in 2 categories. The introversion extroversion thing, and prospecting judging.

I'm always close on the observant and intuitive thing. It depends on how practical the test thinks I am that day.

The only thing I always get is the T.

It's a little interesting, but ultimately a waste of time.

I knew a girl with results like you. We simply concluded she has no personality

 

[Kak]

I knew a girl with results like you. We simply concluded she has no personality

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU

 

[Darklight]

How can you die if you are the observer?

Observer is never dead - real me is eternal and connected to each soul, but our ego which is prideful and thinks that their opinion is "right" is dying all the time - memento mori is especially for that little socially conditioned scripted guy. call him NPC if you want to though

 

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[Vntonio]

I find the tests very stupid to believe in them. It's like believing in zodiac signs.
Some people will present arguments that they are not the same thing, but for me they are the same shit.

 

[Consolation]

I'm just going to stick with Big Five. The least 'scam' of all.

I was a fan of MBTI. Was an INFJ. But years went by I wonder why I am not like other introvert. I could be the life of the party. I could speak on stage. Basically, I could not understand the Science behind MBTI.

When I found out OCEAN/Big Five, things get crystal clear. I understand why some girls like me, some don't, and why I can get along with people easily, why I ended up liking entrepreneurship etc.

O - I scored high on Openness. My interests ranged from religion, engineering to customer acquisition process in 1900s vs 2030. I thought I got ADHD.
C - Low in conscientiousness. I have no idea where I put my socks, phone, keys.
E - Extraversion not introversion. I could approach people in a bar because I scored moderate in Extraversion. Not because I'm introvert.
A - Agreeableness. If a client say the meeting should be suits and tie, I simply nods even if I don't have a suit or tie.
N - Neuroticism. I got easily stressed with pretty much of everything. So I am highly susceptible to substance abuse.

And to expose the scam, I could be lower in Openness in the next few years due to societal pressures. I could score lower in Agreeableness if I have few children.

Time to burn my lungs now. Remember the domain Neuroticism?