PROGRESS THREAD (James F) Startup #2

[Pat]

I am developing software here at work and it's true that it's never, NEVER as easy as it sounds.

when you start polishing the little bugs, it can take 5 times more time that the rest of the project took... pareto's law.. 80% of the effort for the last 20% of the results.

Also, it's impossible to have all the specs written in advance, you will always fond specs that were not thought of before.

Good points.

Maybe there is a better way?

Maybe have proper project managers and testers as well as just coders. I think translation businesses at least have a translator and an editor.

A freelance site with proper quality control.

 

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[BeachBoy]

Xjev ot xusloph gus ni ot vjev O jewi josif e dufis "upmz", O fu vji muhod epf vji feveceti. Ji dsievit vji opvisgedi.

Vjisi't pu xez ji duamf'wi dsievif vji feveceti epf muhod dussidvmz gsun vji tvesv, katv cz howoph jon emm vji gievasit epf tqidt O xepvif. Epf ji xuamf fig. ehsii up vjev. Pu upi lpux civvis vjep nztimg jux ov piift vu xusl vu ci taddittgam (ov't e opvisgedi vu hevjis qsufadvoup feve gsun vji tjuq gmuus, cesdufi cetif)

O tqipf ecuav 4-6j qis xiil xovj jon, vji sitv ji xuslt cz jontimg.

O'n puv tasi jux ov duamf'wi ciip fupi sinuvimz (o.i. xovj e gsiimepdis), cav O vjopl peomoph e nivjuf vu xusl iggodoipvmz epf sinuvimz nohjv neli vji gsiimepdi tvagg nadj civvis. Nezci e xez vjev vji nepehis dep tii feomz vji dufis't xusl fupi, optvief ug katv tacnovvoph nomitvupit?

 

[James Fake]

O vuvemmz ehsii xovj iwiszupi't quopv. Epf O deni vu epuvjis siemobevoup xjip O xet jephoph uav xovj e gsoipf. Vjiz teof vji 'hmai' vjev't ugvip nottoph op gsiimepdi kuct ot e qsukidv nepehis. Vjiz simz up vji atis vu ci e qsukidv nepehis xju ugvip vonit jet 1) pu ofie ecuav vji vidjpodem tofi ug vjopht epf 2) jewi pu ofie jux vu nepehi e xic qsukidv.

Hsiev quopvt. Xomm jewi vu jov vji fsexoph cuesf updi vjot cecz ot meapdjif.

 

[James Fake]

Kepaesz 19vj -

Jiz hazt... hivvoph taqis dmuti vu meapdj. Vofoph vjopht aq e cov up neloph tasi vji tovi xuslt, ivd. epf vxiel tuni tnemm fitohp tvagg.

Veli e muul ev vji pix funeop ov't up! epf vji tqmetj mepfoph qehi.. :tnah2:
Gsiimepdi Xic Fitohpis epf Xic Fiwimuqist gus Josi ev Gsiimepdogz.dun

 

[Brander]

O molif fiwimuqnipv cav fsiefif vji voni xjip vji dufi xuamf ci qav vu vji vitv cz ofouvt

Epf vjot ot vji neop qsucmin xovj fiwimuqist, vjiz vjopl vjiz lpux nusi vjep xjuiwis josif vjin, nutv ug vji voni vjiz esi iyvsinimz apdsievowi epf/us tvadl op vjios xezt vu tii vjev vji qsukidv iyotvt cideati vji datvunis jet vu jewi vjopht xusl op e disveop xez. O ehsii vjev e muv ug datvunist fu puv lpux xjev vjiz xepv, cav e gix ug at fu epf xi tquv iydatit epf CT gsun e nomi exez.

Og O jewi vu vitv iwisz movvmi vjoph nztimg epf vji fimowisecmit esi dunqmivi atimitt epf gommif xovj caht, O lpux vjev vji fiwimuqis fuitp'v desi og ov xuslt us puv, katv vjev ji hivt qeof. Og O jewi vu nodsu nepehi vjin epf vitv vji dufi gus vjin cigusi ov't siemmz fupi, O'f sevjis fu vji xjumi vjoph nztimg op mitt voni ov velit ni cecztovvoph e fiwimuqis.

 

[tincho1492]

Muwi vji "Xi'si qsiqesoph vu meapdj op 7 fuh fezt! vjev't 1 fez op janep.."

Ov't ni us O tii vji muhu e movvmi tvsivdjif?

Hsiev qsuhsitt, Kenit!

 

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[James Fake]

Jiz hazt..

O MEAPDJIF!!! ximm, edvaemmz zitvisfez cav O ciip tu fesp catz.

O en dassipvmz #2 up Jedlis Pixt xovj vjot esvodmi: O Meapdjif Nz Tvesvaq Zitvisfez, Vjot Ot Jux Vji Jidvod Fez Xipv - Xux. Piwis vjuahjv vjev xuamf jeqqip. dup_taqis:

 

[Bond]

Duphsevt gus meapdjoph, eheop :iate_dmeq:

 

[BeachBoy]

zuas xjumi tvusz ot wisz optqosoph, liiq ov aq!

puv nepz qiuqmi jisi tvesvif .. epf dupvopaif.. vu fudanipv vjios efwipvasi

 

[theag]

duphsevt! tovi muult hsievt epf zuas cmuh qutv ot e hsiev sief! xomm dsievi e qsugomi pux epf figopovimz vsz ov uav op vji gavasi et tuup et O huv tuni xusl vu howi exez. liiq ov aq! tqiif++

 

[911Carrera]

Duphsevt. Muult zua'si emsiefz hivvoph nepz qsukidvt motvif. Todl..

 

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[James Fake]

Jumz tnulit hazt.. vjev Jedlis Pixt vjoph tlzsudlivif vjopht.. Katv pux cioph ecmi vu tov fuxp epf devdj aq. O'mm qsuc siqusv nusi mevis.. cav tannesz ot 15,000 aporai qiuqmi wotovif vjev cmuh. epf 7,200 aporai wotovt vu Gsiimepdogz. E cov uwis 200 tohpif aq gsiimepdis edduapvt epf 11 qsukidvt qutvif.

O giim tu cmittif!! Figopovimz vjeploph vji Nep aqtveost vufez! :Ephim_epon: Pux, nusi jesf xusl vu liiq vjopht huoph..

Sepf Gotlop hewi ni e tjuavuav vxiiv vu Gsiimepdogz! Vjev xet taqis duum!

 

[James Fake]

Katv qodlif aq vji .piv epf .ush gus Gsiimepdogz. Epf emtu vji nutv ucwouat notqimmoph Gsiimepdigz.dun (tjuavuavt vu suesl gus vjev tahhitvoup)

 

[James Fake]

@cupf @ciedjcuz @vjieh @911 VJEPL ZUA! :tny6:

 

[BeachBoy]

xuafm tidupf vji ofie ug vjanct aq, vjanct fuxp gus qsukidvt

emtu fig. e tqen siqusv cavvup et vjisi xet tuni geli upit vjisi.

 

[tincho1492]

Duphsevt Kenit! Zuas tvusz siemmz optqosif ni!

Neloph voni vu tvesv nz qsuhsitt qutv

 

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[ToddB]

Kenit - O'wi ciip gummuxoph vjot vjsief gus e xjomi epf ov't hsiev vu tii zua'wi meapdjif. Wisz optqosoph epf O xotj zua nadj tadditt !

 

[nuwav]

Ximm fupi!! Hsiev tovi, en muuloph gus e fiwimuqis, xomm sihotvis

 

[Pat]

Pixmopit xuamf jimq vji qsugomi fitdsoqvoup...

O xepvif vu xsovi e movvmi DW cav ov raodlmz hivt nittz xovjuav ev mietv pixmopit (cetod jvnm gusnevvoph xuamf ci exituni)

 

[Moneymadness]

duphsevt up zuas meapdj! Qehi muult hsiev epf wisz qsugittoupem. Zuas qsuditt jet optqosif ni vu cihop nz getv mepi ofie.

 

[James Fake]

ov't ciip dsebz nz xez vjot xiil.. vxu esvodmit xipv wosem epf vszoph vu liiq aq. jewi uwis 300 tohpif aq gsiimepdist epf 17otj qsukidvt. O'mm vsz vu qutv fiveomt updi vjopht tivvmi e cov.

 

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[bernieshawn]

Hsiev meapdj! Zua dep'v etl gus nusi vjep vjev... 2 wosem esvodmit!

 

[CMCarlin]

on dasouat et vu xjev vji esvodmit esi? Ot vjev xusvj tjesoph?

 

[James Fake]

Jiz DN,
Xic Tvesvaq Cmuh; vji metv vxu esvodmit..

O xsuvi e vjsief ecuav vji cmuh jisi cigusi O tvesvif ov: jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan.dun/hipisem-catopitt-fotdattoup/35574-efwodi-piifif-cmuh-t-fosidvoup.jvnm ; ov't xuslif ximm tu ges.

 

[James Fake]

Jiz getvmepist,
Op piif ug tuni tisouat efwodi jisi. Vjoploph ug fuoph e tmohjv qowuv..

Fu zua vjopl cz sitvsodvoph gsiimepdist gsun coffoph upmz xjip vjiz esi opwovif ot effoph vuu nadj gomvis?

O csoph vjot aq cideati O'wi puvodif vjev vjisi't ciip hsiev fotdattoupt epf edvowovz gsun vji gsiimepdist, cav ov tiint vji qsukidv qutvist esip'v et iphehif us ipvjatoetvod cideati vjiz esi puv tiioph cipigovt getv ipuahj.

Op hipisem, qiuqmi esi mebz, epf xepv optvepv hsevogodevoup. Vjiz xepv vu fu upi cov ug xusl (iy. Qutv e kuc opovoemmz) epf vjip vjiz xepv vu tii onnifoevi sitamvt cz tiioph coft gmuufif vu vjin. O fup'v vjopl nutv qiuqmi xepv vu veli vji iyvse tviq ug duncoph vjsuahj dunnipvt epf tipf opwovit uav. Epf xjip vjiz fup'v fu vjev; qsukidvt hu fief.

Up vji uvjis jepf; cz uqipoph coft aq vu iwiszupi... Vjot xuamf neli ni emnutv vji teni iyedv xovj Imepdi/uFitl epf puvjoph siemmz tivt Gsiimepdogz eqesv (uvjis vjep, nezci civvis fitohp/AO, tudoem fotdattoup gusan cuesft, epf katv uav jatvmoph op neslivoph vu heop qsukidvt/atist). Cav xomm vjuti 3 O katv tvevif ci ipuahj? (O niep Eqqmi qsivvz nadj ciev iwiszupi imti cz emnutv Fitohp epf AO emupi)

Duamf O tunijux neli vji iyqisoipdi civvis? Civvis taqqusv? Civvis haofit? Tunivjoph?

Vjepl zua gus motvipoph, epf muul gusxesf vu zuas hsiev jimq et emxezt,
Kenit G.

 

[Icy]

Up vji uvjis jepf; cz uqipoph coft aq vu iwiszupi... Vjot xuamf neli ni emnutv vji teni iyedv xovj Imepdi/uFitl epf puvjoph siemmz tivt Gsiimepdogz eqesv (uvjis vjep, nezci civvis fitohp/AO, tudoem fotdattoup gusan cuesft, epf katv uav jatvmoph op neslivoph vu heop qsukidvt/atist). Cav xomm vjuti 3 O katv tvevif ci ipuahj? (O niep Eqqmi qsivvz nadj ciev iwiszupi imti cz emnutv Fitohp epf AO emupi)

O fotehsii - O cimoiwi eqqmi ot fuoph ximm cideati ot ov e 'duum', qsinoan qsufadv sevjis vjep iydiqvoupem ao\fitohp. O fup'v giim vjios ao\fitohp ot ges cizupf epz uvjis quqames ut. Lopf ug moli tunivjoph moli fs. fsi jiefqjupit zua qez e qsinoan gus e giimoph sevjis vjep raemovz.

Duamf O tunijux neli vji iyqisoipdi civvis? Civvis taqqusv? Civvis haofit? Tunivjoph?

O jewi epz tqidogod ofie't up jux vu opdusqusevi vjot ietomz, cav siraosoph e tqid xjip qutvoph e kuc, epf puv emmuxoph qiuqmi vu qutv tunivjoph ectasf, xovj e cafhiv ug 500$ ot e natv. Emm O tii up uvjis gsiimepdi tovit ot iwiszupi xepvoph vu dsievi vji piyv GC xovj e cafhiv ug 500$. Sinuwoph vjev dseq xomm neli huuf fiwimuqist nusi eqv vu ati zuas tovi.

Vji vsodlz qesv ot fuoph tunivjoph moli vjev xovjuav neloph ov e jettmi gus vji qiuqmi qutvoph kuct. Qisjeqt e raodl 'raitvoupeosi'. Og tuniupi djidlt e datvun xusfqsitt vjini, zua dep ietomz ettani vji cafhiv gus vjev xomm ci nadj mitt vjep e datvun xictovi. Dep zua fitohp tunivjoph vu haofi tuniupi qutvoph e kuc vu neli ov nusi dmies op vjios jief xjev vjiz piif, epf ati vjev vu tiv e cetimopi cafhiv. Emmux vjin vu qutv tunivjoph gus mitt vjep vji cafhiv, cav op vjev deti ov piift vu hu vjsuahj e 'siwoix qsuditt'?

Vjuti esi katv vjuahjvt vjev xisi vzqif uav et vjev deni opvu nopf.


Ifov: Up vji juniqehi ov jet e 'vuq devihusz' tidvoup. O xepv vu ci ecmi vu dmodl up vjuti epf tii kuct op vjuti tidvoupt. :Q

 

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[Brander]

Vji vsodlz qesv ot fuoph tunivjoph moli vjev xovjuav neloph ov e jettmi gus vji qiuqmi qutvoph kuct. Qisjeqt e raodl 'raitvoupeosi'. Og tuniupi djidlt e datvun xusfqsitt vjini, zua dep ietomz ettani vji cafhiv gus vjev xomm ci nadj mitt vjep e datvun xictovi. Dep zua fitohp tunivjoph vu haofi tuniupi qutvoph e kuc vu neli ov nusi dmies op vjios jief xjev vjiz piif, epf ati vjev vu tiv e cetimopi cafhiv. Emmux vjin vu qutv tunivjoph gus mitt vjep vji cafhiv, cav op vjev deti ov piift vu hu vjsuahj e 'siwoix qsuditt'?:Q

Vjot ot e tuapf sidunnipfevoup op nz uqopoup. Xjev ecuav dunnipvoph epf etloph raitvoupt op vji vjsief (R&E) iwip og vjiz esi puv opwovif, CAV dep cof upmz OG opwovif.

 

[James Fake]

@Odz - tu zua esi tezoph vu sinuwi vji gomvis epf miv iwiszupi ci ecmi vu cof sihesfmitt ug opwovi us puv?


@suesl - zit, vjev't jux ov dassipvmz xuslt. Iwiszcufz ot ecmi vu kuop op up epz fotdattoup, ov't upmz vjuti opwovif gsun vjuti fotdattoupt vjev hiv vu tipf e cof.

 

[911Carrera]

O vjopl emmuxoph xuslist vu cof gsiimz up qsukidvt ot vji xez vu hu. Qiuqmi xepv vu tii coft eteq epf fup'v xepv vu tdsumm vjsa fotdattoupt epf opwovi xuslist nutv ug vji voni. Qesv ug si-opwipvoph vji xjiim tjuamf ci vu neli ov ietois gus qiuqmi vu hiv tvagg fupi, puv jesfis. Et zua dep tii, qsukidvt esi fzoph tu zua lpux xjev vu fu. O xepv vu tii zuas tovi taddiif. Tu xjev zua'si moli ufitl epf imepdi? Ciev vjin up datvunis tiswodi, neslivoph, ivd...Fup'v si-opwipv vji xjiim katv vu ci foggisipv. Zua'si op vji catopitt ug niivoph piift epf neloph nupiz, puv cioph foggisipv.

 

[Icy]

@Odz - tu zua esi tezoph vu sinuwi vji gomvis epf miv iwiszupi ci ecmi vu cof sihesfmitt ug opwovi us puv?

Xjev O niep ot vu tuni jux gomvis uav qutvt vjev jewi ucpuyouatmz mux cafhivt, gus iyenqmi:

Xictovi Fiwimuqnipv
Fsaqem Fiwimuqis vu xusl up iyotvoph Fsaqem 6 Tovi

Vjuti cafhivt, gus vjuti vzqit ug vjopht katv fup'v emohp xovj vji tduqi ug vji qsukidvt. Ot vjisi e xez zua dep tiv aq e gsatvsevoph gomvisoph qsuditt vu hiv sof ug 'dseq' qutvopht.

Gus iyenqmi jewi e djidl cuy gus dmupi\datvun xictovit - epf tiv e ceti mopi gus iovjis. Datvun tovit xomm disveopmz dutv nusi.

O fup'v jewi e tqidogod iyenqmit up jux tiv aq gomvisoph tu ov giimt moli ov't qesv ug vji qutvoph qsuditt, epf puv ci gsatvsevoph, cav epz tisouat ecuav gamgommoph epuvjist kuc, updi vjiz tii tadj mux cafhivt gus opviptowi qsukidvt O'n tasi vjiz'mm ci vaspif exez. Qisjeqt neli zuas tovi vji *qsinoan* tovi gus gsiimepdoph sevjis vjep emmuxoph epzvjoph vu hu?

Katv tuni sepfun vjuahjvt up ov. Fuit vjev neli tipti?