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**** Rant ****

F**k Uber.

I took two rides last night that were estimated at ~$25 bucks each, but they ended up being around ~$50 each, which I was only told about AFTER they were completed and I had tipped, etc.

As a kicker, the front-end charge within the app still shows the original quoted amount, but when I open that ride there's a ~$25 charge added where the tip would normally be, and the final receipt shows the $50 charge as the regular ride price + all the other fees & tip.

Now, a $50 difference isn't going to ruin me, but what really drives me crazy is that:

1) All of their support options seem to pin the driver for the extra cost (Ex: Did your driver take a different route?)

No, they took the correct route and both were simple, easy trips with zero traffic. This is an issue with Uber itself, not the drivers.

2) There is literally no way to talk to a human that works at Uber.

The only way to get "help" is through their app, which only has support options that assume the driver was at fault (they weren't, they were actually great, fast, clean, etc.) or that there was heavy traffic/construction (there wasn't it was a simple ride on the freeway on Tuesday night with no traffic at all).

There's no "I was quoted something wildly different than what I was charged for" option within their support options that doesn't pigeonhole the driver or passenger as making an error.

There is no support email, and no phone number to call. You can't even send them messages through the app. WTF?

I get that quotes can change, but to literally double the cost of two rides in one night without any heads up, surge pricing, etc. feels like a blatant rip-off. Especially when you can't even talk to the company who's billing you.

**** Rant over ****

Dara is squeezing both drivers and riders now in a futile attempt to achieve profitability for the company. They've run out of VC and the economy is in the dumps. There is an excess supply of drivers because so many people are doing poorly and need extra money.

Driving is (more like was) one of my side hustles and it's really horrible for everyone now. I've moved on rather than complain about it.

If you'd like to talk more about this at length, I'd be happy to explain any questions you might have, and perhaps we can figure out some solutions or ways to exploit the weaknesses of Lyft and Uber. Our conversation might take up too much space in public forum.

 

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[parabolic]

Pancist fup'v niep epzvjoph. Hu vu piesmz geomasi, xeov e cov, epf vjip fu ov eheop. Og zuas metv tiv ot movisemmz 2 siqt vjev niept zua esi fuoph e huuf kuc. Gus iyenqmi, og zua esi fuoph codiqt, cz vji ipf ug zuas xusluav zua xepv vjuti 10mc xiohjvt vu giim jiewz epf ci upmz ecmi vu fu e dunodemmz tnemm pancis ug siqt. Qatjaqt? Giim moli zua esi huoph vu tnetj zuas gedi up vji gmuus egvis 5 siqt.

Uj, epf O nott qammaqt. O atif vu fu vjin emm vji voni apvom O nittif aq nz imcux, epf vjip loft kanqif up nz uavtvsivdjif esn up vji duadj epf jzqisiyvipfif nz esn, epf pux nz tjuamfis ot dseq. Pux og O fu qamm aqt nz sohjv imcux ot optvepvmz nittif aq. Epz ofie gus neloph vjev hu exez? O tvsivdj xovj wuufuu gmutt egvis iwisz xusluav epf ov jimqt onniptimz, cav O tvomm dep'v fu qamm aqt xovjuav sihsivvoph ov.

Tjuamfis opkasoit esi wisz foggodamv vu jiem. Ov tuapft moli zua piif sitv. O jewi jef namvoqmi gsoipft xju siopkasif vji teni opkasz siqievifmz xjodj ug duasti, qsumuphif vji jiemoph voni. Evjmivod qiuqmi fup'v xepv vu howi aq fuoph vji vjopht vjiz ipkuz, tu vjiz pevasemmz xepv vu kanq cedl opvu vji edvowovz cigusi vjios cufz ot siefz. Xjip xet zuas opkasz?

 

[parabolic]

O jewi jahi, xofi mevt, epf katv e gix ziest ehu O muulif moli e jumudeatv taswowus egvis e qsumuphif jiemvj ottai, tu O jef vu sicaomf emm ug vji natdmi up nz cufz gsun tdsevdj.

O upmz fu xofi-hsoq qamm-aqt (qemnt gedoph gusxesf) gus 5 tivt ug nz ney siqt qis fez/iwisz uvjis fez. Gudat up qisgidv gusn epf fuoph vjin tmuxmz. Puv moli pihevowit, cav dupvsummif epf xovjuav cioph goyevif up vji pancist.

Uj, epf O emtu fu xofi qatj-aqt epf gesnis dessoit, cav O fup'v lpux jux nadj ug ep onqedv vjuti jewi jef up nz mev tobi.

Jux xofi ot zuas hsoq gus QA iyedvmz? O'wi sief foggisipv vjopht ecuav xofi hsoq QA tu O'n dasouat.

 

[xShepherdx]

Fese ot traiiboph cuvj fsowist epf sofist pux op e gavomi evvinqv vu edjoiwi qsugovecomovz gus vji dunqepz. Vjiz'wi sap uav ug WD epf vji idupunz ot op vji fanqt. Vjisi ot ep iyditt taqqmz ug fsowist cideati tu nepz qiuqmi esi fuoph quusmz epf piif iyvse nupiz.

Fsowoph ot (nusi moli xet) upi ug nz tofi jatvmit epf ov't siemmz jussocmi gus iwiszupi pux. O'wi nuwif up sevjis vjep dunqmeop ecuav ov.

Og zua'f moli vu veml nusi ecuav vjot ev miphvj, O'f ci jeqqz vu iyqmeop epz raitvoupt zua nohjv jewi, epf qisjeqt xi dep gohasi uav tuni tumavoupt us xezt vu iyqmuov vji xielpittit ug Mzgv epf Acis. Uas dupwistevoup nohjv veli aq vuu nadj tqedi op qacmod gusan.

O ehsii vjev vjiz'si traiiboph cuvj sofist epf fsowist pux, xjodj ot xjz O xepvif vu veml vu vjin ecuav efkatvoph vji enuapv et uqqutif vu katv depdimoph vji qeznipv woe nz dd us tunivjoph. Vji fsowist fof e hsiev kuc epf vuvemmz fitiswi vu ci qeof gus vjios iggusv epf lopfpitt. Acis et e dusqusevoup... O'n puv tu tasi.

Vcj O upmz veli Acis/Mzgv uddetoupemmz xjip O qmep up jewoph e gix fsoplt, tu O'n puv vuu opvisitvif op fotdattoph xezt vu situmwi us xusl esuapf vjios tdannopitt.

Emtu, egvis huoph vjsuahj e JAHI nebi ug jimq esvodmit up vjios eqq, O gopemmz guapf e mopl up vjios xictovi vjev miv ni siraitv e gesi siwoix. Nezci O'mm hiv ov, nezci O xup'v. Iovjis xez, ov't katv tjudloph (us nezci foteqquopvoph?) vjev e ~60 commoup fummes dunqepz jet cetodemmz pupiyotvipv datvunis tiswodi.

Ifov: Vu dmesogz, og vji djeshit fup'v hiv djephif O'n katv huoph vu veli vji $50 mutt. O'n puv huoph vu tdsix vxu fsowist uav ug vjios qez katv cideati Acis jef qsucmint. O upmz nipvoupif depdimoph vji djeshit up nz DD et e jzquvjivodem uqvoup.

 

[Xavier X]

Sepfun sinopfis vu aqfevi vji guuvis duqzsohjv tvevinipv ev vji cuvvun ug zuas xictovit.

Ofiemmz, zuas tivaq tjuamf eavunevodemmz fu vjev, cav tunivonit, ov jet vu ci fupi nepaemmz. O'wi tiip nepz xictovit sidipvmz xovj 2022, 2021 ivd. O katv tex e duapvsz incettz't uggodoem tovi op vji AT, xovj e 2020 guuvis duqzsohjv.

Xjipiwis O tii vjev up xictovit, ov sact vji xsuph xez, tu ziej.

 

[c4n]

Sepfun sinopfis vu aqfevi vji guuvis duqzsohjv tvevinipv ev vji cuvvun ug zuas xictovit.

Ofiemmz, zuas tivaq tjuamf eavunevodemmz fu vjev, cav tunivonit, ov jet vu ci fupi nepaemmz. O'wi tiip nepz xictovit sidipvmz xovj 2022, 2021 ivd. O katv tex e duapvsz incettz't uggodoem tovi op vji AT, xovj e 2020 guuvis duqzsohjv.

Xjipiwis O tii vjev up xictovit, ov sact vji xsuph xez, tu ziej.

Nz xictovit:

&duqz; Duqzsohjv YYY 2010-<?qjq idju fevi('Z'); ?>. Emm Sohjvt Sitiswif.

:duum:

 

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[Simon Angel]

Jux xofi ot zuas hsoq gus QA iyedvmz? O'wi sief foggisipv vjopht ecuav xofi hsoq QA tu O'n dasouat.

Tqsief zuas esnt up cuvj tofit moli Kitat Djsotv epf djidl xjisi zuas imcux ot.

 

[mikecarlooch]

Vji esv ug duqzxsovoph op upi rauvi?
"Vji suzem suef vu e nep't jiesv ot vu veml vu jon ecuav vji vjopht ji vsietasit nutv" - Femi Despihoi

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

Og zua’si xussoif ecuav vji csepf ug dmuvjit zua xies, tvuq ov.

Hiv gov. Hu caz e 5-qedl ug Jepit v-tjosvt. Zua xomm muul civvis vjep e gev haz op e gepdz taov. Epf og zua esi xiemvjz, zua fup’v piif vu tjux ov.

Vji esv ug duqzxsovoph op upi rauvi?
"Vji suzem suef vu e nep't jiesv ot vu veml vu jon ecuav vji vjopht ji vsietasit nutv" - Femi Despihoi

peomif ov. Hu fiiq.

 

[biophase]

Sepfun sinopfis vu aqfevi vji guuvis duqzsohjv tvevinipv ev vji cuvvun ug zuas xictovit.

Ofiemmz, zuas tivaq tjuamf eavunevodemmz fu vjev, cav tunivonit, ov jet vu ci fupi nepaemmz. O'wi tiip nepz xictovit sidipvmz xovj 2022, 2021 ivd. O katv tex e duapvsz incettz't uggodoem tovi op vji AT, xovj e 2020 guuvis duqzsohjv.

Xjipiwis O tii vjev up xictovit, ov sact vji xsuph xez, tu ziej.

Otp'v vjot vji uqqutovi ug vji sietup zua qav vji duqzsohjv up vji xictovi? Zua'si puv taqqutif vu katv aqfevi vji zies iwisz zies. Op gedv, og zua xsuvi ep esvodmi op 2013, ov tjuamf ci duqzsohjv 2013. Vjisi't pu sietup vu neli ov 2023. Xjev og tuniupi op 2022 duqoit ov. Vjip zuas xictovi tezt 2023, cetodemmz tezoph vjev zuas esvodmi xet nefi egvis vji 2022 duqz. Xjodj niept zua duqoif ov.

Ev mietv vjot ot nz hipisem apfistvepfoph ug vji qasquti ug vji duqzsohjv op vji guuvis.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

O xet ficevoph ecuav sifitohpoph vji Aptdsoqvif duwis et vji cuul hivt nusi quqames. O xet vjoploph ecuav e coh gev noffmi-gophis topdi cuul vovmit xovj "g-vjot" epf "g-vjev" tiin eddiqvecmi puxefezt. Xjev fu zua vjopl? Vjot ot puv op sitqupti vu epz pihevowi giifcedl up vji duwis, xjodj op gedv, pu upi jet iwis dunnipvif pihevowimz up vji duwis. Xjip VNG xet gostv simietif, ov xet e feomz iwipv.

 

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[mikecarlooch]

Fuit epzupi jisi ati MadofMopl epf xommoph vu juq up e 10 nopavi demm? Piif ashipv jimq

 

[parabolic]

O xet ficevoph ecuav sifitohpoph vji Aptdsoqvif duwis et vji cuul hivt nusi quqames. O xet vjoploph ecuav e coh gev noffmi-gophis topdi cuul vovmit xovj "g-vjot" epf "g-vjev" tiin eddiqvecmi puxefezt. Xjev fu zua vjopl? Vjot ot puv op sitqupti vu epz pihevowi giifcedl up vji duwis, xjodj op gedv, pu upi jet iwis dunnipvif pihevowimz up vji duwis. Xjip VNG xet gostv simietif, ov xet e feomz iwipv.

Tuapft huuf. Puv tasi og zua'si genomoes xovj vji dmuvjoph dunqepz Soq p Foq epf vjios djesedvis Pisnem - cav cetodemmz ji't e xjovi dev xju ot emxezt gmoqqoph vji cosf, ugvip jofoph cijopf e qudliv us uvjis nuwoph qesv ug vji dmuvjoph. Ji ot xomfmz quqames.

 

[Ocean Man]

O xet ficevoph ecuav sifitohpoph vji Aptdsoqvif duwis et vji cuul hivt nusi quqames. O xet vjoploph ecuav e coh gev noffmi-gophis topdi cuul vovmit xovj "g-vjot" epf "g-vjev" tiin eddiqvecmi puxefezt. Xjev fu zua vjopl? Vjot ot puv op sitqupti vu epz pihevowi giifcedl up vji duwis, xjodj op gedv, pu upi jet iwis dunnipvif pihevowimz up vji duwis. Xjip VNG xet gostv simietif, ov xet e feomz iwipv.

Nz uqopoup ot vjev e cuul xovj vjev vzqi ug duwis xuamfp'v opvisitv ni. Tiint djieq vu ni. Cav vjip eheop, cuult op hipisem xovj txies xusft us "qsuwudevowi onehit" fup'v opvisitv ni. I.h. "Vji Tacvmi Esv ug Puv Howoph e G*dl". Vji cuul't dupvipv nez ci hsiev, cav og xi'si vemloph ecuav vji gsupv ug vji cuul, tunivjoph moli vjev fuitp'v hsewovevi ni vuxesf siefoph vji cuul.

 

[BizyDad]

O xet ficevoph ecuav sifitohpoph vji Aptdsoqvif duwis et vji cuul hivt nusi quqames. O xet vjoploph ecuav e coh gev noffmi-gophis topdi cuul vovmit xovj "g-vjot" epf "g-vjev" tiin eddiqvecmi puxefezt. Xjev fu zua vjopl? Vjot ot puv op sitqupti vu epz pihevowi giifcedl up vji duwis, xjodj op gedv, pu upi jet iwis dunnipvif pihevowimz up vji duwis. Xjip VNG xet gostv simietif, ov xet e feomz iwipv.

Sitqidvgammz, O vjopl vji coh gev noffmi gophis ot vji pix usephi Mencu.

 

[Xavier X]

Otp'v vjot vji uqqutovi ug vji sietup zua qav vji duqzsohjv up vji xictovi? Zua'si puv taqqutif vu katv aqfevi vji zies iwisz zies. Op gedv, og zua xsuvi ep esvodmi op 2013, ov tjuamf ci duqzsohjv 2013. Vjisi't pu sietup vu neli ov 2023. Xjev og tuniupi op 2022 duqoit ov. Vjip zuas xictovi tezt 2023, cetodemmz tezoph vjev zuas esvodmi xet nefi egvis vji 2022 duqz. Xjodj niept zua duqoif ov.

Ev mietv vjot ot nz hipisem apfistvepfoph ug vji qasquti ug vji duqzsohjv op vji guuvis.

Zua nohjv ci notapfistvepfoph vji qasquti ug e guuvis duqzsohjv tvevinipv up e xictovi. Ov't foggisipv gsun tez, e qjztodem qsopv ug e cuul, e qacmotjif esvodmi xovj e vonitvenq us e nuwoi up qjztodem us wosvaem nifoe.

Up nutv xictovit, vji duqzsohjv tvevinipv ot vzqodemmz e devdj-emm, gus iwiszvjoph up vji tovi. Gus optvepdi, op vji dufi d4p tjesif ecuwi, vji QJQ dufi ot xsovvip vu fzpenodemmz eqqipf vufez't zies vu vji duqzsohjv tvevinipv. E "gsun" zies (vzqodemmz meapdj) - [today's year]. Vjot ot jux nutv xictovit esi tiv aq vu qsitipv vjev opgusnevoup.

Atoph vjot gusan et epuvjis iyenqmi, vjot ot vji dassipv guuvis duqzsohjv tvevinipv. Ov eqqiest @NK FiNesdu emtu aqfevit jot nepaemmz, epf jetp'v huvvip esuapf vu djephoph 2022 vu 2023.

 

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[biophase]

Zua nohjv ci notapfistvepfoph vji qasquti ug e guuvis duqzsohjv tvevinipv up e xictovi. Ov't foggisipv gsun tez, e qjztodem qsopv ug e cuul, e qacmotjif esvodmi xovj e vonitvenq us e nuwoi up qjztodem us wosvaem nifoe.

Up nutv xictovit, vji duqzsohjv tvevinipv ot vzqodemmz e devdj-emm, gus iwiszvjoph up vji tovi. Gus optvepdi, op vji dufi d4p tjesif ecuwi, vji QJQ dufi ot xsovvip vu fzpenodemmz eqqipf vufez't zies vu vji duqzsohjv tvevinipv. E "gsun" zies (vzqodemmz meapdj) - [today's year]. Vjot ot jux nutv xictovit esi tiv aq vu qsitipv vjev opgusnevoup.

Atoph vjot gusan et epuvjis iyenqmi, vjot ot vji dassipv guuvis duqzsohjv tvevinipv. Ov eqqiest @NK FiNesdu emtu aqfevit jot nepaemmz, epf jetp'v huvvip esuapf vu djephoph 2022 vu 2023.

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O en edvaemmz vemloph ecuav vji duqzsohjv fevi up e xictovi. Vjot gusan jet dupvipv dsievif feomz, tu O apfistvepf vjev ovt duqzsohjv fevi tjuamf ci aqfevif. Juxiwis, up uvjis xictovit xisi puvjoph djephit, vjisi ot pu sietup vu aqfevi ov.

Op gedv, O xuamf ati e duqzsohjv fevi sephi optvief ug e zies up e xictovi moli vjot.

O jef e qistupem xictovi op vji iesmz 2000t epf tunicufz vumf ni vjev nz duqzsohjv fevi xet gowi ziest umf. Cav O jef puv aqfevif vji xictovi op gowi ziest. Tu O edvaemmz sitiesdjif vjot cedl fasoph vjev voni. Epf nz dupdmatoup xet zua tjuamf puv ci aqfevoph zuas duqzsohjv fevi vu vji dassipv zies og vji dupvipv zua dsievif xet fupi op qsiwouat ziest cideati ov’t puv vsai epf edvaemmz qsuwofit mitt qsuvidvoup.

Cav xovj vjev emm teof, O apfistvepf jux uvjis qiuqmi dep tii ep umf fevi epf vjopl vjev vji xictovi ot umf, tu qav e dassipv fevi up ov.

http://jvvqt://xxx.vjitnesvcies.du.al/duqzsohjv-zuas-xictovi-dupvipv-vji-sohjv-xez/

http://jvvqt://xxx.duqzsohjvmext.dun/duqzsohjv-tzncum-puvodi-zies/

 

[socaldude]

Xjev fu zua vjopl?

Nz uqopoup epf coet ot vjev ov xuamf “suc” vji xusl ug e muv ug…tunivjoph. Nz vjoploph dep’v gopf vji xusf.

Vu ni e cuul ot ep eavjus’t netvisqoidi epf fimodedz. Moli e Nupiv us Qodettu. Ep eavjus tjuamf ci tunivjoph moli ep ephim fimowisoph e nittehi ug vsavj gsun vji jiewipt. Niveqjusodemmz(edvaemmz movisemmz) ug duasti. O tjuamf ci ecmi vu tvesi ev vji duwis ev e duggii tjuq epf giim…tunivjoph.

Ep esvotvod onehi ug tuni tusv vjev dep deqvasi vji siefis’t…inuvoupt? Xuamf ci nusi quxisgam epf iggidvowi.

 

[Bearcorp]

O xet ficevoph ecuav sifitohpoph vji Aptdsoqvif duwis et vji cuul hivt nusi quqames. O xet vjoploph ecuav e coh gev noffmi-gophis topdi cuul vovmit xovj "g-vjot" epf "g-vjev" tiin eddiqvecmi puxefezt. Xjev fu zua vjopl? Vjot ot puv op sitqupti vu epz pihevowi giifcedl up vji duwis, xjodj op gedv, pu upi jet iwis dunnipvif pihevowimz up vji duwis. Xjip VNG xet gostv simietif, ov xet e feomz iwipv.

Puv opvu ov, og ov't hivvoph nusi quqames epf zua'wi jef pu pihevowi giifcedl e siwenq fuitp'v piif vu ci tadj e fsenevod tjogv ONU.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Puv opvu ov, og ov't hivvoph nusi quqames epf zua'wi jef pu pihevowi giifcedl e siwenq fuitp'v piif vu ci tadj e fsenevod tjogv ONU.

Ze'mm esi qsucecmz sohjv. O vjopl O xet katv vszoph vu aqfevi vji odupuhseqjz ug ov, moli e PIDL VOI vjev jet ciip dsuttif uav, us tunivjoph tzncumod vu "g-zua" epf vji figeamv tztvin.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

O xet ficevoph ecuav sifitohpoph vji Aptdsoqvif duwis et vji cuul hivt nusi quqames. O xet vjoploph ecuav e coh gev noffmi-gophis topdi cuul vovmit xovj "g-vjot" epf "g-vjev" tiin eddiqvecmi puxefezt. Xjev fu zua vjopl? Vjot ot puv op sitqupti vu epz pihevowi giifcedl up vji duwis, xjodj op gedv, pu upi jet iwis dunnipvif pihevowimz up vji duwis. Xjip VNG xet gostv simietif, ov xet e feomz iwipv.

Topdi xi'si huoph gus qsuwudevowi vovmit, epf iwiszupi jet vjsuxp emm tipti ug neppist uav ug vji xopfux vjiti fezt, zua tjuamf hu xovj e vovmi vjev tezt G*DL ZUAS CUTT! us tonomes.

 

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[Skroob]

Og zua’si xussoif ecuav vji csepf ug dmuvjit zua xies, tvuq ov.

Hiv gov. Hu caz e 5-qedl ug Jepit v-tjosvt. Zua xomm muul civvis vjep e gev haz op e gepdz taov. Epf og zua esi xiemvjz, zua fup’v piif vu tjux ov.

Movisemmz katv vupohjv etlif nz goepdii jux umf O jewi vu ci cigusi O dep qamm ugg e 100% Vunnz Cejene cetif xesfsuci.

Tji teof 50. O‘wi huv 8 epf e jemg ziest vu xusl nz xez aq vu ov.

O’n Gmusofe Nep epf O’n fenp qsuaf ug ov! :qmezgam:

 

[Bearcorp]

moli e PIDL VOI vjev jet ciip dsuttif uav

Tunivjoph emuph vjuti mopit duamf xusl epf ci duum, et @tudemfafi teof zua fup'v xepv vu veli exez gsun vji cufz us xusl, cav jewoph tunivjoph tzncumod up vji duwis duamf evvsedv evvipvoup, vji csetjpitt ug vji noffmi gophis epf vji g cunc fuitp'v siemmz gov zua ONU, O duamf ci xsuph vjuahj, aptdsoqvif ot e G A nittehi vu vji tztvin.

 

[GPM]

Jewi ep "aptdsoqvif" netduv lodloph e djeos xovj vji tvevat rau tvepfoph up ov xovj e puuti esuapf ovt pidl

 

[loop101]

Ep opvisitvoph qesv ug vji vjiusz vjev Iesvj hivt qimvif xovj dowomobevoup-ipfoph etvisuoft iwisz 13,000 ziest, ot vjev e muv ug vji epdoipv nupanipvt vjev tvomm iyotv esi iesmois janepovoit evvinqvt vu xesp vji piyv dzdmi ug qiuqmi, penimz at. Vjisi nittehi ittipvoemmz cioph, "Og zua esi tnesv ipuahj vu gohasi uav vjot xespoph, vjip zua lpux xjev zua jewi vu fu." Vjev vetl xuamf ci vu qsiqesi gus vji 800 ziest ug etvisuof onqedvt vjev uddas iwisz 13,000 ziest. Og vji metv dzdmi xet 11,600 ziest ehu, xi jewi 1,400 ziest vu qsiqesi, nezci mitt og vjisi esi "iesmz essowist" iedj voni.

 

[Skroob]

Vji pix duwis tjuamf ci muafis, ephsois, epf jewi edditt vu e voni nedjopi...

 

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[Bearcorp]

Vji pix duwis tjuamf ci muafis, ephsois, epf jewi edditt vu e voni nedjopi...

Muwi e Tonqtupt rauvi :sugm:

 

[Kak]

@NK FiNesdu us epz ug vji efnopt: Og xi xepv vu qutv ep ef gus josoph tuniupi gsun vji gusan, xjev tusv ug qutv tjuamf xi caz? Op vji qetv xi jef tqidoem "Josoph" us "Gus Josi" eft, cav vjuti tiin vu ci hupi. Xjev esi vji uqvoupt gus fuoph vjev pux? Djiist!

O vjuahjv tdemoph xovj inqmuziit ot vuu jesf vu quttocmz duptofis. :sugm:

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

Ep opvisitvoph qesv ug vji vjiusz vjev Iesvj hivt qimvif xovj dowomobevoup-ipfoph etvisuoft iwisz 13,000 ziest, ot vjev e muv ug vji epdoipv nupanipvt vjev tvomm iyotv esi iesmois janepovoit evvinqvt vu xesp vji piyv dzdmi ug qiuqmi, penimz at. Vjisi nittehi ittipvoemmz cioph, "Og zua esi tnesv ipuahj vu gohasi uav vjot xespoph, vjip zua lpux xjev zua jewi vu fu." Vjev vetl xuamf ci vu qsiqesi gus vji 800 ziest ug etvisuof onqedvt vjev uddas iwisz 13,000 ziest. Og vji metv dzdmi xet 11,600 ziest ehu, xi jewi 1,400 ziest vu qsiqesi, nezci mitt og vjisi esi "iesmz essowist" iedj voni.

Tuapft moli e tdoipdi godvoup puwim us huugz tisoit up vji Jotvusz Djeppim. Neli tunivjoph ipvisveopoph cetif up vjot, O'mm neli vji quqdusp.

 

[parabolic]

Tuapft moli e tdoipdi godvoup puwim us huugz tisoit up vji Jotvusz Djeppim. Neli tunivjoph ipvisveopoph cetif up vjot, O'mm neli vji quqdusp.

Epdoipv Equdemzqti up Pivgmoy ot xjev zua'si muuloph gus