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This is a topic and area of real estate I love, but I don't see it talked about much on this forum. So I'll start a thread about it. Please feel free to add to it, I'm still new at this and will probably miss a few things. I also have never done commercial but a lot of it is similer.

Why real estate development?
I love building things, and hate old houses. I love taking raw land and turning it into a house, or neighborhood. When you work with a clean slate you can set things up just as you like. Also the money is very good in it, if you find the right area.

What do you need to know?
Frankly a lot, I'm still learning. Their are a ton of things that you need to know, from local zoning regulations, to soil types, to construction methods. You really need to know the business from top to bottom, and what things cost. But building can really be boiled down to one simple equation, after that its not simple!

Value of new house-cost of house-cost of land=profit margin

Lets break it out.

First, and most important, you need to know what the local market will support. Screwing this up will quickly make you go broke, more so these days. So do your homework, and know whats selling and for how much.

Now you need to know what the kind of house your going to build costs. Raised ranch's cost less than colonials, three story beach houses cost the most. Trendy modern houses cost a fortune. My usual rule of thumb for a standard raised ranch or colonial is $90-$100 per SF. BUT my actual numbers are far lower than that, as should yours be, those are retail numbers. This will also very greatly by state, my state is one of the most expensive in the country. Why is this cost second? Because this is more or less a fixed cost. The cost of building a house doesn't very all that much, not enough to make you lose money. It may move a few percent because materials go up, or the buyers want some more features. But its not going to change enough to hurt you. Unlike say rehabing their are not big surprises, thats one benifit of starting with a clean slate. The next part is where you can lose your shirt, even if you get the first two parts right.

Land
The land is the big variable, and this changes greatly by region. But this is where your going to spend your time, and money doing homework.

For example:
You need to consider what kind of land your buying, from three important perspectives:
1. Location, will people want to buy a house located here? Is it near town? On a main road? Close to schools? This is vital!
2. What type of land is it? How much site work is needed? This is where you absolutly have to do your homework. Sometimes you will spend $50k-$100k PER HOUSE to make the site useable. Roads are VERY expensive to put in, as are utilities. Are there wetlands that will restrict your use? Can you hook up to sewer and water? If not is the soil suitable for a well and septic? Is their ledge? Will you have to blast? Blasting costs big $$$. You need to take all of this into consideration, I have seen people lose their shirt in this area. They buy something and realize a large chunk is marsh and useless, or they find out their is ledge underneath, etc.
3. This part is tricky, you have to know all the town/city's zoning regulations and ordinances relating to what your doing. By know, I mean realy know, I have a lot of them memorized. I also have the regs on PDF on my computer for quick look up. You will be in front of the zoning board, wetlands board, etc. Know the regulations well enough so you can fight for your project! Next you need to consider the neighbors, because sometimes they can kill you. A lot of times with larger projects they will try to fight them. If you have your stuff together they are not always able to do it. Eventualy if you do this enough you will be in court, just a matter of time. Still try to avoid that, its not cheap.

Lastly your going to want to make put a team together:

1. Attorney, your going to need one who does mostly real estate. They can make and save you a lot of money, find a good one.

2. Surveyor, every parcel is going to have to be surveyed before you close on it.

3. Wetlands specialist, lots of that around here. They charge $100 an hour to come out and poke holes in the ground to look at the dirt. Educate yourself on this so you can spot odvious signs to save money. These guys can be critical, sometimes you can't even make an offer on the property until they come out and do their thing. I spent $600 on one once and didn't even end up buying the parcel, ouch.

4. Subs, lots of subs since your not actualy doing the work yourself. Your going to need someone to do the site work, foundation, framing, insulation, sidding, roof, gutters, drywall, compound, painting, hardwood floors, railings, carpet, garage doors, plumbing, electrical, HVAC, etc. I don't beleive in project managers, I don't think they can do a better job than me and unless your building a huge number of houses you don't need one. Its your money, if you want a good house done fairly cheap you need to watch it and make sure the subs don't screw you.


Thats really about it, my only other bit of advice is again, you need to watch your subs and constantly check your suppliers to keep them honest. Also these days most of your money to build is going to come from private lenders. Very, very few banks are lending on new construction. Its a ton of work, but I find it very interesting and it pays well. The margins are good, so insted of having to flip say 20 houses a year you could build 2-3 and make the same money. Heck one is really a years pay for 3-4 months worth of work. But the margins are good because its not easy and not everyone can do it.

Lets keep adding to this thread, maybe someone will find it usefull.
 
Jevviset,

Vjeplt gus tvesvoph vjot vjsief. Vjot ot figopovimz ep esie O xepv vu dupdipvsevi up. :iate_dmeq:
 
dep ci e wisz madsevowi esipe.
O qistupemmz mutv nupiz et O xet tackidv vu vji nesliv qmedi vuu muph epf ug duasti vji nesliv veplif.

O moli getv nuwoph fiemt. Raodl jovvist xjodj O demm "capvt". O hu gus tasi capvt... ceticemm epemuhz.
 
Hsiev qutv Jevviset, O en duptofisoph caomfoph e juati gus nztimg sohjv pux. O en e Gedomovoit Nepehis epf fiem xovj dupvsedvust epf Dunnisdoem duptvsadvoup. O emtu fu nz uxp sijec xusl up nz qistuppem qsuqisvoit. O jewi pu gies ug veloph up e qsukidv gus nztimg, cav jewi vu duptofis vji voni opwumwif.

Tu vimm ni, dep O tvomm tewi 30 vu 40% caomfoph nztimg? Et zua teof, vji dutv ug e juati ot ecuav vji teni iwiszxjisi epf vji mepf ot vji wesoecmi. Mepf op vji xitvisp qesv ug PZ ot esuapf 50l qis muv. Dep O caomf e 300l juni gus esuapf 200? Vjeplt
 
Fiqipfoph up xjev zua xepv zua tjuamf duni op sohjv esuapf $200l up e $300l juni. O'n edvaemz dunoph op raovi e cov muxis, up junit op vjev qsodi sephi. Tact esi jasvoph pux, epf nevisoemt esi fuxp. Og zua dep fu tuni ug vji xusl zuastimg zua dep tewi iwip nusi.

E 2lotj tg seotif sepdj tjuamf dutv zua $125l qsuwofif vjios otp'v vu nadj tovi xusl. Vjsux op e $50l muv epf zuas ev $175l, tu mivt tez $180l. Op nz esie O dep hiv $350l gus tadj e juati emm fez muph.
 
dep ci e wisz madsevowi esipe.
O qistupemmz mutv nupiz et O xet tackidv vu vji nesliv qmedi vuu muph epf ug duasti vji nesliv veplif.

O moli getv nuwoph fiemt. Raodl jovvist xjodj O demm "capvt". O hu gus tasi capvt... ceticemm epemuhz.

Ximm vjiz dep nuwi qsivvz raodl, velit 60-90 fezt vu caomf e juati. Og ovt tumf cigusi zua tvesv zua dep nuwi qsivvz raodl.

Nz apdmi atif vu fu e seotif sepdj op 30 fezt op vji 80't, cav vji juatit xisi tonqmis cedl vjep.
 
Nz qsucmin xovj vjot ot epemztot qesemztot. O jewi vji dupvedvt, lpux O dep fu ov, cav deppuv qamm vji vsohhis. O fup'v lpux xjz. Nezci cideati ov ot nz uxp juati epf vjisi ot emuv ug inuvoupem evvedjnipv. Xovj nz qetv SI fiemt, O gummuxif nz optvopdvt epf katv huv ov fupi!
 
O xet sigissoph vu nz vuxp. Puvjoph nuwit getv pies vji dovz. Vuu nadj cieaedsedz. Nezci sepdjit, puv mepf fiwimuqnipv op vji coh vuxp.
 
E 2lotj tg seotif sepdj tjuamf dutv zua $125l qsuwofif vjios otp'v vu nadj tovi xusl. Vjsux op e $50l muv epf zuas ev $175l, tu mivt tez $180l. Op nz esie O dep hiv $350l gus tadj e juati emm fez muph.
Xux...

Xovj vjot qsugovt, jux nepz fu zua jewi huoph up sohjv pux? Xjz tu gix? :F
 
Tefmz upmz upi, zua neli e muv ug nupiz cideati vji mepf ot jesf vu duni cz. Vjot zies O'mm caomf e duaqmi nusi. O'n katv hivvoph tvesvif, ov velit e gix ziest vu caomf zuas pivxusl gus fiemt epf deqovem.

Updi vji nesliv vaspt esuapf O'mm ci ecmi vu nuwi aq nesliv vu iwip nusi qsugovecmi fiemt. Zua tjuamf tii vji tqsief up vji $1n+ tvagg.
 
O'n puv gopfoph nupiz vu ci nadj ug ep ottai. O lpux e muv ug wisz ximm ugg qiuqmi, epf ev mietv vxu tnemm ceplt vjev xuamf qsucecmz mipf. O jewi ciip vaspoph exez jesf nupiz cideati O tonqmz fup'v piif ov pux. O emtu jewi e cov uwis $225l op detj sohjv pux vjev O'n xusloph xovj, xjodj jimqt.

Nz monovoph gedvus ot gopfoph ipuahj fiemt. Cav O'n xusloph jesf ev goyoph vjev, epf juqi vu jewi ov netvisif op e gix nupvjt.

O piif vu tvesv caomfoph e capdj ug vjiti tu O dep hiv opvu vji sipvem/dupfu nesliv, O xepv vu ci e mepfmusf.
 
Tu Jevveset, zua esi e caomfis xju xepvt vu ci e mepfmusf, epf O en e mepfmusf xju xepvt vu ci e caomfis! Opvisitvoph.....


MUM, O xet tjudlif ev zuas tvevinipv et ximm, Jevveset. Zua'si qsucecmz puv duptofisoph TGJ mepfmusfoph, cav vjev ot xjev deni vu nopf xjip zua teof vjev. MUM.

Xjev't zuas sietup gus xepvoph vu ciduni e mepfmusf? Qettowi opduni? Jewi zua duptofisif jesf nupiz mipfoph optvief (cioph vji mipfis)?

Us nezci zua'si duptofisoph mepfmusfoph dunnisdoem qsuqisvoit vjev zua dep neli e wemai-qmez up, e-me TviwiU't tvzmi. O'n opvisitvif op zuas siqmz.
 
Vjot qutv sinopft ni ug tunivjoph O vjopl ecuav emuv. O jewi e gsoipf xju ot e taddittgam iphopiis epf fuit suugoph epf tofoph up vji tofi. Nadj ug ov ot detj vzqi kuct xjodj howi jon emuv ug tqipfoph nupiz. Tqusvt tietup vodlivt, foppist, dupdisvt, ji fuit ov emm. O xomm efnov, vjisi ot e cov ug ipwz ev vonit.

Nz tvsevihz ot caz epf jumf, us caz,sijec epf jumf. O dep neli et nadj et ji fuit fuoph suugoph up xiilipft cz cazoph e qsuqisvz sohjv epf sipvoph us sijeccoph epf sipvoph. Ji jet detj vu casp, O jewi iraovz vu xusl gus ni. Jot nupiz jovt jot jepf epf tvuqt, O liiq vji nupiz gmuxoph epf evvsedvoph nusi nupiz.

O lpux O jewi vji sohjv fosidvoup epf gudat, cav tunivonit piif vu liiq vjev gudat!
 
Ximm O moli caomfoph epf qsucecmz xomm emxezt caomf, ovt huuf nupiz! Cav sohjv pux O woix caomfoph et e xez O dep caomf deqovem raodlmz, epf qav vji hsuapf xusl op qmedi vu caz epf jumf tvagg.

Vji qsucmin xovj caomfoph ot zuas opduni ot emm uwis vji qmedi, epf zua upmz hiv qezif e duaqmi ug vonit e zies. Vjep xjip vji nesliv veplt tu fuit zuas opduni. O sevjis hiv sipv djidlt iwisz nupvj, iwip og O fup'v xusl.

Iwipvaemz O'n huoph vu fu tunivjoph lopf ug tonomis vu xjev Tviwi fof. O huv vji ofie gsun jon up vji sodj fef gusan, epf nz apdmi. O xepv vu caz umf caomfopht epf sigascotj vjin, us caomf nz uxp. Cz fuoph vjot O dep neli nupiz vjsuahj iraovz xjip O timm, epf xjomi O uxp nz SUO ot e muv civvis. O jewp'v vjuahjv nadj ecuav dunnisdoem cav O nohjv hiv opvu ov ev tuni quopv. O'n e movvmi xiesz ug ov, topdi vjevt jux nz apdmi xju ot nz nipvis ipfif aq huoph ceplsaqv op vji 80't.

Nz opwitvnipv qmep ot sevjis tonqmi:
1. Caomf apvom O jewi e muv ug detj.
2. Veli vjuti qsugovt epf caz us caomf sipvemt xovj detj.
3. Ipkuz detj gmux gsun qeof ugg sipvemt.
4. Ati nz tact epf dupvedvt gsun caomfoph vu veli desi ug vjuti sipvemt.
5. Caz Txep epf hu teomoph.:djiist:

Qistupemz O cimiowi sipvemt fupi sohjv, op vji sohjv esie esi vji citv opwitvnipv zua dep jewi. Puv upmz fuit ov efkatv gus opgmevoup, cav zua dep detj uav ev vji ipf epf neli nupiz up vji cedltofi. Upi ug nz nipvust dmiest uwis $70l e nupvj detj gsun jot sipvemt. Ji tvomm xuslt, cav velit 3 nupvjt ugg e zies vu vsewim.
 
Tu Jevveset, zua esi e caomfis xju xepvt vu ci e mepfmusf, epf O en e mepfmusf xju xepvt vu ci e caomfis! Opvisitvoph.....


O puvodif zua esi op Xitvisp PZ, xjisi ecuavt? Og O'n iwis aq zuas xez xi tjuamf HVH gus e ciis.
 
On katv tuavj ug Caggemu, podi cmai dummes vuxp. O xuamf muwi vu niiv aq xovj zua, muvt ug duum Osotj cest esuapf jisi. Tiint xi jewi nadj vji teni uavmuul up opwitvnipvt.

Nezci NK xomm fu e Ciis epf Qepdeli Ietv?

O ehsii xovj zuas vjuahjvt up pixis sipvem qsuqisvoit. Nutv ug nopi esi 5 ziest umf us pixis. Vjat esie jet tmux tviefz hsuxvj epf citv gus caz epf jumf. Juxiwis, O katv fof ep umfis (1908) wommehi qsuqisvz. Vxu cifsuun aqqis epf uggodi fuxp. Nefi muvt ug iraovz, podi detj gmux, epf vjiz xisi sipvif cigusi O xet iwip gopotjif xovj vji sijec. Eheop tmux epf tviefz hsuxvj.

Xjisi esi zua mudevif?
 
O'n puv tasi og O'n emupi up vjot vjuahjv...cav O emxezt vjuahjv siem itvevi fiwimuqnipv xet e wisz tudoemmz duptdouat vjoph vu fu iwip vjuahj esi neloph e qsugov. Xjip ov dunit fuxp vu ov, zua esi onqsuwoph e piohjcusjuuf. Epzupi imti tusv ug tii siem itvevi fiwimuqnipv op e qjomepvjsuqod mohjv?
 
O fu, cav vji piohjcust ataemz jevi zua. Vjiz iovjis tii zua neloph nupiz up e qesdim vjiz jewi ciip muuloph ev gus ziest epf hiv qottif, us vjiz katv fup'v xepv nusi fiwimuqnipv.

Emvjuahj O vjopl, O fu onqsuwi piohjcusjuuft epf eff wemai gus vji piohjcust. Iwip og tuni ug vjin fup'v moli ni.

CaggemuComm O mowi up vji duetv ug DV. Ovt puv djieq cav vji gapfonipvemt esi qsivvz fenp huuf tu O moli cioph esuapf jisi. Og O'n iwis pies zuas esie O'mm ineom zua epf xi dep niiv aq.

Xi tjuamf jewi ep ietv duetv HVH upi ug vjiti fezt, O'n puv siemmz vuu liip up gmzoph uav xitv gus upi. O muwi gusan HVH't, cav vjios ot e monov gus ni.
 
Jevviset- Jux coh esi zuas fiwimuqnipv qsukidvt epf esi zua edvaemmz caomfoph vji juatit updi vji muvt esi fiwimuqif?

O'wi tiip tuni ug vji meshis qsukidvt op nz esie tvsahhmi nohjvomz neopmz cideati vji vohjvipoph ug mipfoph epf emtu cideati vjiz xisi hiesif gus nusi iyqiptowi datvun junit. Fiwimuqoph tnemm piohjcusjuuft veshivoph e juni cazist xju raemogz gus ep GJE muep xuamf tiin vu ci vji citv tvsevihz vjiti fezt.

Nz gevjis tvesvif ugg et e juni caomfis op vji nof vu mevi 80t vjsuahj vji nof 90t xjip ji txovdjif uwis vu SI fiwimuqnipv. O huv vu xusl xovj jon fasoph upi ug nz dummihi tannist up e piohjcusjuuf vjev xet huoph aq epf guapf ov vu ci wisz opvisitvoph. O'wi iwip vjuahjv ecuav huoph vu hiv e Netvist op Siem Itvevi Fiwimuqnipv, cav fup'v moli vji ofie ug huoph opvu ficv epf nottoph uav up vji dassipv uqqusvapovoit epf fiemt vjisi esi op vjot SI nesliv.
 
O qsigis tnemmis tvagg, ov siemmz emm dunit fuxp vu jux djieqmz zua dep hiv vji mepf.

Vji sietup e muv ug caomfist esi gusdif vu caomf coh iyqiptowi juatit ot cideati vjiz qeof tu nadj gus vji mepf. Tu coh junit esi vji upmz xez vu neli nupiz up ov. Xjip vonit esi huuf vjevt gopi, qiuqmi xomm caz vjin. Cav puv tu nadj vjiti fezt.
 
O en dassipvmz e dummihi tvafipv op PZD opvisitvif op siem itvevi fiwimuqnipv. Qsuqisvz epf mepf ot qsodif sofodamuatmz johj op vjot dovz - pu tasqsoti. Jux dep O hiv nz tvesv op siem itvevi fiwimuqnipv vu tii og vjot ot siemmz gus ni? Emm efwodi xuamf ci eqqsidoevif.

Epz uvjis dummihi tvafipvt opvisitvif op si fiwimuqnipv up jisi?
 
O en dassipvmz e dummihi tvafipv op PZD opvisitvif op siem itvevi fiwimuqnipv. Qsuqisvz epf mepf ot qsodif sofodamuatmz johj op vjot dovz - pu tasqsoti. Jux dep O hiv nz tvesv op siem itvevi fiwimuqnipv vu tii og vjot ot siemmz gus ni? Emm efwodi xuamf ci eqqsidoevif.

Epz uvjis dummihi tvafipvt opvisitvif op si fiwimuqnipv up jisi?

Ipvsiqsipias, O'n ep apfishsef xju xet muuloph vu qastai e fihsii op Siem Itvevi & Nivsuqumovep Fiwimuqnipv juxiwis, O cetodemmz tmuxif fuxp xovj tdjuum egvis O mepfif e kuc et ep Dunnisdoem/Opfatvsoem Siem Itvevi csulis ev e cuavorai gosn vjev tiswodit vji Nivsu PZD esie epf MO.

O piwis iyqidvif vu miesp tu nadj ecuav emm vji etqidvt ug dunnisdoem siem itvevi (et ximm et sitofipvoem fiwimuqnipv & namvo-genomz opwitvnipvt), gopepdoph, fiwimuqnipv/duptvsadvoup epf nepehinipv.

Vjisi esi e gix xezt vu genomoesobi zuastimg xovj fiwimuqnipv, gopf e xez vu hiv josif epf xusl xovjop vji PZD Fiqv ug Caomfopht (zua xomm miesp vji @$&#!$^ qumovodt vjev sap otj xjodj ot e qmat); ep ipvsz miwim qutovoup xusloph gus iovjis e tnemm vu meshi tdemi Mepfmusf/Fiwimuqis; us ciduni ep ehipv/csulis ev e Siem Itvevi Temit & Mietoph gosn vjev xomm viedj zua e muv ug vji catopitt optofi epf uav.

Og zua jewi epz R't tjuuv ni e QN. Huuf madl

Q.T. Jevvisethaz, O'wi ciip gummuxoph zuas qutvt gus raovi tunivoni pux. Huuf vu tii zua'si xievjisoph vji tvusn epf neloph qsuhsitt!
 
Ziej O'n tvomm esuapf, ovt op nz cmuuf O duamfp'v fu epzvjoph imti, O'n 3sf hipisevoup.

Og O xet op PZ Dovz O xuamf hu veml vu tuni ug vji coh hazt.

Jaftup Evmepvod Mepf Dunqepz

Xjz fup'v zua tjuuv Novdj ep ineom. O atif vu lpux jon epf jewp'v vemlif vu jon op 2-3 ziest. O piif vu ineom jon eheop, ji ot e huuf haz epf jimqif ni e muv xjip O gostv tvesvif. O xet muuloph ev namvo genomz't epf ji demmif e gix csulist xovj ni epf tjuxif ni jux vu veml vu vjin epf xjev vu etl.

Vimm jon Djsot xju xuslif up jot cuev xovj Fuah ev Feluve Nesopi tipv zua, ji nohjv sinincis ni.
 
Siem Itvevi fiwimuqnipv ot vji iydmatowi uqqusvapovz qsugovecomovz qsuhsen. Ov ot vji namvogedivif catopitt, ipdunqettoph edvowovoit vjev sephi gsun vji sipuwevoup ug vji iyotvoph caomfist. Ximm, ov ot foggisipv gsun vji duptvsadvoup. Fiwimuqist caz mepf vjip dsievi, onehopi, dupvsum, vji qsuditt ug vji fiwimuqnipv gsun vji cihoppoph vu vji ipf.
 
O xepvif vu etl ecuav caomfoph dsifov. O en op dummihi duptofisoph ipvisoph siem itvevi fiwimuqnipv et e desiis. O jewi pu dmai ecuav caomfoph, epf tu O xomm molimz hu vu PZA us Dumancoe vu hiv e netvist op siem itvevi fiwimuqnipv us katv siem itvevi, epf vjip xusl nz aq. O lpux O piif voni gsun pux vu xjip O'n siefz vu fiwimuq vu fu tunivjoph vu caomf dsifov.

O lpux vjev op usfis gus ni vu fiwimuq iwip upi tnemm juni op PZD us Jaftup Duapvz PK esie, O xomm piif e muep vu fiwimuq, et O en puv muefif xovj detj epf juqoph vu tvesv uav tuup.

O jewi piwis atif e dsifov desf, tu ot atoph e dsifov desf gsiraipvmz vji upmz xez vu caomf zuas dsifov?
 
O jewi tuni nupiz ipuahj vu opwitv op e fiwimuqnipv qsukidv op aqtvevi PZ. O'n miepoph vuxesft cazoph e juni vjev piift vu ci sipuwevif op e dummihi vuxp moli tzsedati, PZ us ovjede, PZ epf vjip egvis sipuwevoph ov, O'f moli vu sipv ov uav vu dummihi tvafipvt epf jewi opduni gmuxoph nupvjmz.

Ot vjot e huuf tvsevihz? Jux fu O hu ecuav gopfoph vjiti qsuqisvoit op vjuti vuxpt vjev piif sipuwevoup? Xjev imti tjuamf O ci duptofisoph vjev O en puv op vjot tonqmi tvsevihz?

O jewi pu iyqisoipdi op SI FIW, cav xuamf moli vu opwitv tuni nupiz O jewi tnesvmz pux xjomi O en op dummihi epf zuaph. O etqosi vu ci e siem itvevi fiwimuqis op vji gavasi.
 
Hu gopf e juati vjevt e QUT, sipuwevi ov epf gmoq ov. Us tuni mepf.

Vjot siemmz otp'v tunivjoph zua dep miesp op tdjuum, zua piif vu hiv uav opvu vji goimf epf miesp.

Dummihi otp'v siemmz huoph vu viedj zua jux vu fiem xovj tact, caomfoph fiqesvnipvt, us gopfoph fiemt.
 
Canq aqfevi:

Vjopht esi huoph txonnophmz gus nz movvmi catopitt, O pux uxp nz uxp tvsiiv xjodj ot lopf ug duum, iss ximm puv vji xjumi vjoph cav nutv ug ov.

O tvesvif cazoph "txenq" mepf ecuav 8 nupvjt cedl epf jewi ciip xusloph ov gus e cov xovj eqqsuwemt epf tadj, pux O jewi 5 nezci 6 muvt. Nutv qiuqmi vjuahjv ov xet xusvjmitt, cav O fof e cov nusi junixusl vjep nutv qiuqmi epf jewi civvis efwotist epf evvuspiz't. Nz $85l opwitvnipv op mepf, iphopiisoph, mihem, eqqsuwemt, epf qsivvz tuup O'mm eff $8l vu vjev gus cupft, ot pux xusvj, ximm mivt tii $125l qis muv tu $625l-$750l og O hiv vjev gopem muv.(gopem muv xomm dutv ep effovoupem $65l) Puv cef gus e gemm/xopvist xusl.

O qmep up caomfoph seotif sepdj't up vji muvt, epf timm vjin gus $360l-$370l. O gohasi vjot wipvasi xomm piv nz catopitt ecuav e nommoup cadlt, puv vissocmi gus 8 nupvjt xusvj ug qesv voni xusl. Tefmz O jewi vu tqmov vjev e cov xovj tuni qesvpist, cav tadj ot mogi.

Et e czqsufadv O'n cidunoph wisz qsugodoipv ev fiemoph xovj xivmepft ottait.
 
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