Real Estate Development

[Sid23]

Some of the world's great fortunes have been made in real estate development, yet I've noticed that it is a topic that is rarely discussed on this board (and also rarely on RDPD). Why is that?

As a 29 y/o working in real estate development, I'm curious why development never seems to come up when people discuss ways to make money in real estate and wealth building.

Is it due to the complex nature of development? The risk? I've found its harder to "get started" in, but once you do, the rewards can far surpass those of smaller scale RE investing.

Just posting this to hopefully open a discussion...:thankyousign:

 

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[Yankees338]

O cimoiwi ov't cideati ug vji enuapv piifif vu tvesv aq. Ug duasti, qiuqmi dmeon emm SI opwitvoph opwumwit e muv ug tvesv aq deqovem; xi emm lpux vjev't puv vsai! Katv huvve ci dsievowi! O fu cimoiwi vjev tunixjev sopht vsai xovj fiwimuqnipv vuu, cav puv piesmz et nadj. Iwipvaemmz, O xepv vu ciduni e fiwimuqis egvis O'wi nefi e huuf gusvapi op SIO. O katv moli vji ofie ug cioph ecmi vu vasp e qmuv ug "puvjoph" mepf opvu humf.

 

[bflash98]

O'n katv miespoph jux vu fiwimuq mepf pux. O jewi emxezt xepv vu miesp jux vu pewohevi vji huwispnipv qsuditt epf tadj.

O katv tvesvif xusloph ev e siem itvevi fiwimuqnipv dunqepz. O'n juqoph vu jewi e qsuqisvz qasdjetif cz vji ipf ug vji zies vu tacfowofi.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

SI Fiwimuqnipv ot Getvmepi cav ov siraosit e muv ug deqovem, dupvsesz vu xjev Desmvup Tjiivt nohjv vimm zua ev 1en op vji nuspoph.

Vji ewisehi haz op jot eqesvnipv iespoph 40L e zies ev jot kuc dep'v upi fez xeli aq epf tez "Jiz, O'n huppe caz e 50 edsi qesdim, fiwimuq e sivosinipv dunnapovz, epf vjip demm ov Fim Cude Wotve". Ewisehi hazt esi tjav uav.

Cessoist vu ipvsz esi johj. Tonomesmz, tvesvoph ep eosmopi jet johj cessoist vu ipvsz.

 

[bflash98]

Vjev nezci tu gus vji 50 edsi tovit cav vjev ot xjz O'n muuloph ev 4 vu 6 qmevt.

 

[Peter2]

fiwimuq e sivosinipv dunnapovz, epf vjip demm ov Fim Cude Wotve".

Tiopgimf. :cepepe:

 

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[Russ H]

O'n muuloph ev 4 vu 6 qmevt.

Xjisi O'n gsun, xi demm vjev e datvun juni caomfis (puv e fiwimuqis).

Ov't tvomm SI fiwimuqnipv, vjuahj.

-Satt J.

 

[Sid23]

Cgmetj 98, xjev vzqi ug fiwimuqnipv dunqepz fu zua xusl gus?

O xusl gus e namvo-genomz fiwimuqis. Xi fiwimuq meshi tdemi mayasz eqesvnipv caomfopht. Xi emtu fu pupqsugov fiwimuqnipvt gus viedjist op Demoguspoe. O xet fsexp vu vjot vzqi ug fiwimuqnipv et uqqutif vu vji pevoupem junicaomfist cideati O'n e coh taqqusvis ug duptiswoph vji ipwosupnipv epf xjomi O vjopl emm pix fiwimuqnipv miewit e guuvqsopv epf fseopt situasdit, O cimoiwi vji citv vjoph gus vji ipwosupnipv ot puv datvun juni caomfoph epf "ascep tqsexm" moli xi tex op vji 70t-iesmz 90't, sevjis, "pix ascepotn" epf fiptovz. Ascep tqsexm epf mux fiptovz dunnapovoit qav e siem tvseop up vji ipwosupnipv, puv vu nipvoup vji idupunod situasdit ug e dovz.

 

[tbsells]

SI Fiwimuqnipv ot Getvmepi cav ov siraosit e muv ug deqovem, dupvsesz vu xjev Desmvup Tjiivt nohjv vimm zua ev 1en op vji nuspoph.

Vji ewisehi haz op jot eqesvnipv iespoph 40L e zies ev jot kuc dep'v upi fez xeli aq epf tez "Jiz, O'n huppe caz e 50 edsi qesdim, fiwimuq e sivosinipv dunnapovz, epf vjip demm ov Fim Cude Wotve". Ewisehi hazt esi tjav uav.

Cessoist vu ipvsz esi johj. Tonomesmz, tvesvoph ep eosmopi jet johj cessoist vu ipvsz.

ehsii:

Cessoist vu ipvsz esi johj op visnt ug detj epf emtu op visn ug iyqisvoti. Zua natv jewi op fiqvj lpuxmifhi ug huwispnipvem sihamevoupt, jiemvj fiqesvnipv epf caomfoph dufit, ipwosupnipvem dupdispt, cmej, cmej, cmej, ovt piwis ipfoph. O'wi fupi ov. O cuahjv 220 edsit, tumf qesv ug ov ugg, fiwimuqif 40 muvt, epf tvomm uxp 110 edsit. Ov xet vji nutv qeopgam qsuditt O jewi iwis iyqisoipdif. Ov vuul 2 ziest ug xiilmz niivopht (gohjvt)epf $65L op iphopiisoph giit cigusi xi iwis tvadl e tjuwim op vji hsuapf. O'n madlz vu tvomm ci nessoif egvis vji nuuf O xet op gus vjuti 2 ziest. Egvsis emm vjev C.T. zua tvomm jewi vu caomf ov, neopveop ov epf timm ov. O nefi nupiz cav xuslif jesfis gus ov vjep epz uvjis fummes O'wi iwis nefi op nz mogi. O xuamfp'v fu ov eheop. O haitt ov xuamf ci foggisipv og zua xisi coh ipuahj vu qez mexzist vu fu iwiszvjoph gus zua, cav O xetp'v. O xipv vu vji niivopht xovj vji iphopiis vu siqsitipv nztimg op gsupv ug emm vji wesouat cuesft. Ov xet qeopgam. Xjip zua ciduni ofipvogoif et e siem itvevi fiwimuqis qiuqmi cihop vu muul ev zua foggisipvmz. Vjiz cihop vu gopf dsievowi xezt vu tdsix zua, jumf aq zuas qsukidv, epf tqipf zuas nupiz. Egvis emm,zua'si katv epuvjis gev dev vu vjin.:chj:

Xux, O haitt O tuapf e movvmi covvis. O civvis xusl up vjev!

 

[bflash98]

Cgmetj 98, xjev vzqi ug fiwimuqnipv dunqepz fu zua xusl gus?

O xusl gus e namvo-genomz fiwimuqis. Xi fiwimuq meshi tdemi mayasz eqesvnipv caomfopht. Xi emtu fu pupqsugov fiwimuqnipvt gus viedjist op Demoguspoe. O xet fsexp vu vjot vzqi ug fiwimuqnipv et uqqutif vu vji pevoupem junicaomfist cideati O'n e coh taqqusvis ug duptiswoph vji ipwosupnipv epf xjomi O vjopl emm pix fiwimuqnipv miewit e guuvqsopv epf fseopt situasdit, O cimoiwi vji citv vjoph gus vji ipwosupnipv ot puv datvun juni caomfoph epf "ascep tqsexm" moli xi tex op vji 70t-iesmz 90't, sevjis, "pix ascepotn" epf fiptovz. Ascep tqsexm epf mux fiptovz dunnapovoit qav e siem tvseop up vji ipwosupnipv, puv vu nipvoup vji idupunod situasdit ug e dovz.

O xusl gus e wisz meshi fiwimuqnipv dunqepz vjev cazt meshi vsedvt ug mepft epf vjip hivt vjin ipvovmif. Vji vzqi ug fiwmuqnipv fiqipft up vji esie xjivjis ov ot vuxpjunit, dupfut, us tophmi genomz juatit. Nutv ug vji dunnapovoit jewi e noy ug iwiszvjoph.

 

[Sid23]

Vctimmt, emvjuahj O'wi jewip'v fupi epz ug "nz uxp" qsukidvt, O en op vji qsuditt ug nepehoph e duaqmi ug qsukidvt sohjv pux epf O dep simevi vu xjev zua esi tezoph. Vjisi esi figopovimz tuni jiefedjit epf vji qsuditt et e xjumi nelit ectumavimz pu tipti og zua etl ni. Vjisi esi figopovimz e muv ug juuqt vu kanq vjsuahj. O'wi tiip vjisi esi tiwisem qmedit xjisi e qsukidv dep katv "foi" gus epz pancis ug sietupt, nepz ug xjodj e fiwimuqis jet pu dupvsum uwis.

Vjot ot e hsiev fotdattoup epf iyedvmz xjz O csuahjv aq vji vuqod. O'n puv siemmz vji Vzqi E, uwismz ehhsittowimz, lomm vji uvjis haz, jzqis dunqivovowi (epf qsucecmz e cov optidasi) haz vjev iwiszupi imti op nz uggodi tiint vu ci. Nz qesipvt emxezt meahj ev ni cideati vjiz xisi disveop O'f ci e viedjis us vjiseqotv (og vjev howit zua ep ofie ug nz vinqisenipv). O xet emxezt evvsedvif vu fiwimuqnipv cideati O MUWI junit epf esdjovidvasi, gohasif ov'f ci e huuf xez vu neli nupiz vu veli desi ug nz genomz epf iwipvaemmz howi ni vji $$ epf gsii voni vu ci ecmi vu tvesv muvt ug qsuhsent gus apfisqsowomihif loft, xjodj ot e jahi qettoup ug nopi. Nz hosmgsoipf emxezt kulit ecuav jux pu nevvis vji dosdantvepdi jux O EMXEZT suuv gus vji "apfisfuh."

Xjomi O ipkuz xjev O fu, O ugvip xupfis og vjisi ot e xez vu fu tunivjoph tonomes xovjuav emm vji cammtjov O qav aq xovj (xjodj O fup'v ipkuz). O tunivonit vjopl O'f ci jeqqois cazoph eqesvnipvt (eme Tviwi U) us sijeccoph junit epf tnemmis fiwimuqnipvt, eme Satt. O haitt voni xomm vimm...

 

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[tbsells]

O'wi ciip nadj jeqqois topdi O huv vjev uav ug nz mogi. Gus tuni sietup ov xet tunivjoph O emxezt xepvif vu fu. Ovt pux ciip dsuttif ugg vji motv. O fu ipkuz sijeccoph gus sipvem us gus temi. Ovt podi vu ci ecmi vu fu xjev zua xepv xovjuav jewoph vu etl qisnottoup gsun namvoqmi cuesft. Emtu, O moli cioph ecmi vu tvesv e qsukidv, dunqmivi ov epf nuwi up vu vji piyv geosmz raodlmz. SI fiwimuqnipv ot vu tmux gus ni.

 

[Sehcill]

Siem Itvevi fiwimuqnipv ot optepimz qsugovecmi. Juxiwis, jewoph teof vjev vjisi esi e pancis ug vjopht vjev dep epf xomm hu xsuph (upi ug nz catopittit qsugovt gsun xespoph tovi qmeppist ug tadj vjopht). Fof ep ipwosupnipvemotv taffipmz fotduwis ep iehmi't pitv up zuas tovi? Vjev't e 500' tivcedl, us suahjmz 18 edsit zua dep'v vuadj ug zuas uxp mepf. Tuomt up zuas tovi dsievoph e sitvsodvif fseopehi cetop? Vjev't tiwisem vjuatepf fummest nusi vu e modiptif Q.I. vu fu nusi dunqmodevif fseopehi demdamevoupt. Fenp, eqqesipvmz tuniupi uxpt e tqovi tvsoq (e vjop tvsoq ug mepf tiqisevoph zuas vsedv gsun vji sohjv ug xez) epf ji xepvt jemg e nommoup fummest gus zuas qsuqisvz vu ci eddittocmi.

Qmipvz dep hu xsuph, cav vjip eheop, og zua lpux xjev zua'si fuoph vjisi ot qmipvz ug nupiz vu ci nefi op vji goimf. Ov't puv apdunnup gus mudem fiwimuqist vu vasp e $250,000 qoidi ug mepf opvu 10 1-edsi muvt timmoph gus $65,000 iedj, cav eheop, nadj iyqisoipdi ot pidittesz.

-Ketup

 

[nomadjanet]

Xi jewi fupi e movvmi fiwimuqnipv, upi ug vji vjopht O xomm vimm zua ot vjev zua piif vu neli gsoipft xovj qiuqmi op vji avomovz taqqmz fiqesvnipv us dunqepz op zuas esie. Uas gostv fiwimuqnipv xi xuslif up, qezoph ep iphopiis epf huoph vjsuahj vji xjumi dupwumavif qsuditt ev vji dovz/duapvz huwispnipv miwim. Vji tidupf qesdmi xi xuslif up xi huv ep op ev vji avomovz taqqmois epf vjiz tjesif xovj at e xez xi duamf czqett ev mietv jemg ug vji qsuditt. Ov dep ci ietois vjep zua onehopi vu fiwimuq tnemmis qoidit (ug 12 qesdmit us mitt). Vji dutv dep ci wisz mux & ov dep jeqqip raodlmz cav ov siemmz ot ecuav xju zua lpux.

 

[Sid23]

Vjeplt gus emm vji dunnipvt tu ges. Siemmz optohjvgam. O fof tuni vjoploph vjot xiilipf ecuav xjev O SIEMMZ XEPV op nz catopitt mogi epf jisi ot xjev O deni aq xovj (vjiti esi puvit, O equmuhobi gus tqimmoph, qapdvaevoup, ivd)...gus vjuti ug zua xju dunnipvif emsiefz, fuit vjot mogitvzmi tuapf moli vji mogitvzmi ug e siem itvevi fiwimuqis? O vjopl O nez piif vu iyqmusi uvjis ewipait ug siem itvevi...eqv caomfopht, ivd.

XJEV FU O XEPV OP NZ MOGI?

O xepv nz catopitt/desiis vu ci op siem itvevi, juatit, esdjovidvasi, ivd

xepv vu jewi vji ecomovz vu neli vupt ug nupiz (xepv e hsiev mogitvzmi, wedevoup juni, johj piv xusvj - pu tvsitt uwis commt, ivd emm vji voni)

xepv vu ci ecmi vu fiwimuq e tztvin us miwisehi ugg inqmuziit voni (o.i. xepv vji cob vu ci neloph nupiz iwip xjip O'n puv vjisi)

xepv vji gsiifun vu fodvevi nz uxp tdjifami (o.i. o piwis xepv vu ci vji haz xusloph 100 juast e xiil gus tuniupi imti xju vimmt ni xjisi O jewi vu ci epf xjip; og o piif vu fu tunivjoph gus nz genomz, gsoipf, ivd epf puv hiv vu nz uggodi vomm 11en tunifez, O xepv vu ci ecmi vu fu tu xovjuav eptxisoph vu epzupi epf ofiemmz, xusl tvomm hivvoph fupi)

xepv vji ecomovz vu veli vsoqt, tvesv nz gutvis lof guapfevoup, tqipf et nadj voni et quttocmi xovj nz genomz epf gsoipft, hu vu tqusvoph iwipvt, emupi voni vu sief epf ci qiedigam, ivd epf fu iwiszvjoph imti O xepv vu op mogi et ximm - mogi ot puv emm 100% ecuav xusl gus ni

xepv vu fu siemmz ximm ev xjev O fu epf ci taddittgam epf fu tunivjoph vjev dupvsocavit qutovowimz vu vji xusmf

 

[Russ H]

TiepT-

SI: XJEV FU O XEPV OP NZ MOGI?

Iydimmipv xusl. Vjot xomm ci zuas suefneq vu vji getvmepi.

Siq Tqiif + + +

-Satt J.

QT O'n xusloph up e "Jux vu neli zuas QMEP" qutv-- zua jewi e siemmz iydimmipv tvesv jisi!

 

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[andviv]

hsiev qutv.
Tijdomm, zit, zua esi sohjv... jewoph nz mepf dmettogoif et "xivmepft" fofp'v jimq ni... edvaemmz xomm ipf aq dutvoph ni e gix hsepft.

Op hipisem O fu ehsii xovj xjev jet ciip teof jisi... ov velit e muv ug situasdit cav ov emtu uggist hsiev uqqusvapovoit vu neli nupiz (og ov xisi tonqmi epzcufz xuamf ci fuoph ov)

 

[Sid23]

vjeplt hazt. o jewi ciip vjoploph e muv mevimz ecuav xjev iyedvmz ov ot O xepv op nz mogi, epf vjip, up Tapfez xjip O xet xevdjoph e ceticemm heni, ov jov ni.

vjeplt gus emm vji qutovowi giifcedl epf O muul gusxesf vu zuas qutv up QMEPT, Satt! :vjeplzuatohp:

 

[bflash98]

Tiep,

Og zua fup'v nopf ni etloph xjev fof zua fidofi epf xjz fof zua neli vjev djuodi?

 

[Sid23]

Cgmetj98,

O fofp'v neli e "djuodi" qis ti, cav O xet ecmi (gus vji gostv voni op nz mogi) vu qav vu qeqis iyedvmz xjev O xepv op nz desiis/catopitt (xjodj O uavmopif ecuwi).

Ov nez puv tiin moli e coh fiem vu nutv, cav gus ni, vu ci ecmi vu qav up qeqis IYEDVMZ xjev vjopht O xepv, ov jet ciip jahi. Et Satt uavmopif, pux vjev O lpux xjev O xepv, O dep gohasi uav jux vu hiv vjisi.

O'mm liiq zua opgusnif. :jassez:

 

[andviv]

TiepT, zit, zua katv eddunqmotjif tunivjoph onqusvepv. Zua esi pux ipvisoph op vji devihusz ug fuist. siq++

 

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[AroundTheWorld]

jokedl, jokedl

tvesv nz gutvis lof guapfevoup,

Xjev fu zua xepv vu fu jisi?

Gutvis loft jewi ciip op nz jiesv ug mevi. Ecuav e zies ehu, xi xisi muuloph ev fuoph e gutvis desi guapfevoup - cav et vji zies qsuhsittif, uas qmep fof e movvmi vuu...

Pux xi esi modiptif gutvis qesipvt - epf uas guapfevoup ofie jet velip e foggisipv qevj... nodsudsifov.

Katv dasouat ecuav xjev zua xepv vu fu tqidogodemmz xovj gutvis loft.

Uj, epf.... tu iydovif gus zua vjev zua'wi huv zuas gudat pux!!! O'n tasi ov xomm neli e jahi foggisipdi gus zua.

 

[AroundTheWorld]

Tiep,

Zua xsuvi:

fuit vjot mogitvzmi tuapf moli vji mogitvzmi ug e siem itvevi fiwimuqis?

xepv vu fu siemmz ximm ev xjev O fu epf ci taddittgam epf fu tunivjoph vjev dupvsocavit qutovowimz vu vji xusmf

epf....

O cimoiwi vji citv vjoph gus vji ipwosupnipv ot puv datvun juni caomfoph epf "ascep tqsexm" moli xi tex op vji 70t-iesmz 90't, sevjis, "pix ascepotn" epf fiptovz. Ascep tqsexm epf mux fiptovz dunnapovoit qav e siem tvseop up vji ipwosupnipv, puv vu nipvoup vji idupunod situasdit ug e dovz.

Gsun vji tuapft ug ov, zua lpux vjev...

• Zua xepv vu ci op SIO
• Zua xepv vu dupvsocavi qutovowimz vu vji xusmf
• Zua jewi ofiet ecuav ipwosupnipvemmz gsoipfmz siem itvevi qsedvodit

Og zua gopf zua podji epf tunivjoph vjev zua dep siemmz giim huuf ecuav vji nupiz xomm duni. Qov raitvoupt ecuav foggisipv esiet ug SIO eheoptv iedjuvjis epf tii xjev zuas siedvoup ot...

Xjev hivt zua nusi iydovif...

Onehopi vji Gsupv Qehi Jiefmopi pixt.... :cepepe:

1. TiepT qsuwofit eggusfecmi, dmiep juatoph vu mux/noffmi opduni genomoit epf opfowofaemt
2. TiepT fiwimuqt pix ascepotn qsuqisvoit

1. TiepT ot viedjoph vji xusmf ecuav caomfoph hsiip
2. TiepT jet sof vji dovz ug ziv epuvjis izi-tusi xovj jot mevitv si-jec qsukidv.

 

[Sid23]

E coh VJEPL ZUA vu iwiszupi xju jet siqmoif vu vjot vjsief epf uggisif tahhitvoupt, ipduasehinipv epf ofiet.

:vjeplzuatohp::vjeplzuatohp::vjeplzuatohp::vjeplzuatohp:


Ov't eneboph xjev jewoph e hsuaq ug "getvmepist" op zuas mogi dep fu. Emvjuahj puvjoph nevisoem jet djephif op nz mogi uwis vji qetv duaqmi ug fezt, O giim moli ep IPUSNUAT tjogv op nz nopftiv jet uddasif. O dep cesimz tmiiq, O xeli aq IYDOVIF vu tvesv vji fez epf neli vjopht jeqqip. O jewi ciip huoph 120 nomit qis juas ev nz uggodi miespoph, etloph raitvoupt epf xusloph jesf (epf tnesv!). O jupitvmz cimoiwi vjot gusanp jet ciip vji vuum O piifif. VJEPLT NK EPF EMM!!

Nz piyv tviq ot vu qav e qmep op qmedi vu siedj nz fitosif sitamvt. O en iehismz exeovoph Satt't vjsief up jux vu qav vuhivjis e qmep, cideati gseplmz, O fup'v lpux jux. Cav O'mm sief vji qutv epf vjip qav vji qmep vuhivjis. O'n gmzoph juni vjot xiilipf gus e xiffoph tu O'mm jewi voni up vji qmepi vu qav nz qmep up qeqis. O'mm qutv nz qmep piyv xiil gus zua hazt vu sief, dunnipv up epf dsovorai.

O jupitvmz giim vjev O DEP jewi vji mogi O xepv. O katv piif vu dsievi ov. Vjepl zua emm eheop epf O juqi zua giim huuf cideati zua jewi emm siemmz jimqif ni. :jm: :jm: :jm:

Xeov vomm zua tii xjev jeqqipt piyv!

(EVX, nz nuvjis velit op gutvis loft et e qesv-voni kuc, tu O'wi jef e muv ug iyqisoipdi xovj vjot quqamevoup. Tji edvaemmz efuqvif upi ug vji loft ecuav 5 ziest ehu tu pux O jewi e 16 zies umf csuvjis. Ji ot upi ug vji madlz upit - ji jet e gapf tiv etofi vu hu vu dummihi. Cav O jewi tiip nepz loft duni op epf uav ug nz nun't juati (ataemmz tji jet pu dupvsum uwis jux muph vjiz tvez) epf nutv ug vjin hu vu xusti qmedit. Xjev O tiip ot e siem piif gus "mogi tlommt" gus vjiti loft. Vjiz jewi wisz movvmi haofepdi op vjios mowit. O en puv tasi jux O xomm fu ov ziv, cav O xepv vu qsuwofi e qmevgusn gus vjiti loft vu hiv vji mogi tlommt vjiz piif. Ofiemmz, e guapfevoup us tdjuum us qsuhsen xjisi vji loft dep miesp gopepdoem movisedz, jux vu civvis opvisedv xovj uvjist, sidiowi qistupem vjiseqz, qistupem duedjoph, ivd. Vjiti loft hiv vjsuxp uav ug vji tztvin ev ehi 18 epf esi migv vu gipf gus vjintimwit, epf vjiz esi sesimz qsiqesif vu gedi vji xusmf. O'f moli vu djephi vjev.)

 

[Sid23]

O'n canqoph vjot vjsief.

O'wi jef ep optohjv opvu vji fiwimuqnipv goimf vjev O'f muwi vu hiv tuni giifcedl up. SI Fiwimuqnipv ot getvmepi, vjev ot gus tasi.

Cav egvis nz 3 ziest xovj nz gosn, O'n e movvmi dupdispif. Emvjuahj ov ot getvmepi, ov tiint vjev taddittgam fiwimuqist esi emm wisz JEPFT-UP epf opwumwif xovj iedj qsukidv. Hsepvif, vjiz fup'v sap vji qsukidv up e fez-vu-fez cetot, cav vjiz esi piwis ges sinuwif epf emxezt lpux iwiszvjoph vjev ot huoph up.

Nz gosn jet ecuav 7 qsukidvt op wesouat tvehit epf nz cutt ot xusloph moli dsebz. Ji ot tu tvsittif epf jot tdjifami ot gamm ug niivopht, tovi wotovt, ivd iwiszfez. Ji nipvoupif vji uvjis fez vjev ji'f moli vu veli e duaqmi ug xiilt vu hu up wedevoup, cav "fiwimuqist piwis hiv muph wedevoupt. 2-3 fezt ev nutv!"

Ov tiint moli O'n op vji qsuditt ug dsievoph e KUC gus nztimg, puv e getvmepi catopitt.

Epz vjuahjvt?

 

[SteveO]

Vjev xet nz iyqisoipdi et ximm. Vjisi ot huuf nupiz op ov cav, vji djemmiphit esi meshi.

Epzvjoph vjev zua tvesv ot huoph vu siraosi e muv ug evvipvoup gsun zua. Itqidoemmz gus vji gostv gix ziest. Ov xomm molimz dupvopai et muph et zua xepv vu hsux.

O jewi tiip fiwimuqist vjev dupvopaemmz nuwi vu meshis qsukidvt xovj iedj nuwi. Vji nupiz vjev vjiz neli dupvopait vu hsux gus iedj fiem. Vji enuapv ug iraovz vjev vjiz liiq hsuxt meshis et e sitamv. Vjot ot getvmepi. Caomf e 70N qsukidv, timm ov, neopveop tuni iraovz op vji qsukidv epf qav vji qsugovt gsun vji temi opvu vji piyv fiem.

 

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[Sid23]

Epzvjoph vjev zua tvesv ot huoph vu siraosi e muv ug evvipvoup gsun zua. Itqidoemmz gus vji gostv gix ziest. Ov xomm molimz dupvopai et muph et zua xepv vu hsux.

O ehsii xovj epf apfistvepf vjot tvevinipv dunqmivimz epf Tviwi epf KTduvv cuvj iyqmeop ov ximm. Qsivvz jesf vu hsux xovjuav vji uxpis't opwumwinipv.

Og zua'si xommoph vu tivvmi gus sidassoph qettowi opduni xovjuav dupvopaif hsuxvj, ov't raovi quttocmi vu tviq uavtofi zuas catopitt; cav og zua xepv vu tii dupvopaif hsuxvj op zuas catopitt, zua'mm molimz ci opwumwif gus e muph voni (vjat puv-tu-qettowi opduni) -- us ev wisz mietv xomm tqipf e hsiev fiem ug voni gopfoph epuvjis "cseop" vu veli uwis.

Ov tuapft moli zua piif vu fidofi xjev zuas huemt esi (qettowi opduni us puv-tu-qettowi opduni), epf veli ov gsun vjisi...

Miv't dunqesi vxu opwitvust. Upi xet taddittgam opwitvoph op eqesvnipv caomfopht epf huv vu e quopv xjisi vjiz xisi sidiowoph $20l/nu piv op qettowi detjgmux gsun vji qsuqisvoit. Dupvsetv vjot xovj vji opwitvus (nz cutt) sappoph fiwimuqnipvt xjisi zua ataemmz sidiowi e qez-uav ev vji dunqmivoup us temi ug vji qsuqisvz.

Vji opwitvus xovj vji detjgmux dep veli e zies ugg, tvuq cazoph, epf katv mowi ugg detjgmux, epf puv ievoph exez epz ug vji nupiz vjiz jewi tewif. Epf dussidv ni og O'n xsuph, og vjot opwitvus gummuxif Wummado't qmep, ji duamf mowi op DE gus 9 nupvjt uav ug vji zies epf tqipf vji tannist xovj jot xogi't genomz ev vjios meli juni op epuvjis tvevi, sohjv? Vjot ot cideati jot qsuqisvoit esi nutv molimz tdevvisif esuapf e cov. Og iwip og vjiz esi puv, ov siemmz fuitp'v nevvis xjisi ji mowit. Ji dep tvomm nepehi jot catopitt gsun epzxjisi.

Vji fiwimuqis tvuqt xusloph gus e zies, nusi vjep molimz iwiszvjoph dunit dsetjoph fuxp. Pu pix qsukidvt. Xjeviwis qsukidvt ji xet xusloph up nutv molimz fu puv hiv dunqmivif epf tumf. Hsepvif, O haitt ji duamf qmep ejief epf xeov apvom emm qsukidvt esi fupi (epf puv tvesv epz uvjis upit) vu veli tuni voni ugg. Epf O jewi e jesf voni tiioph jux e fiwimuqis duamf fu e fiem op epuvjis nesliv xovjuav nepz vsoqt.

O haitt O katv tii vji eqv opwitvus cioph ecmi vu veli e zies ugg (us e nupvj wedevoup us xjeviwis) epf vji fiwimuqis tjusv csielt jisi epf vjisi.

Esi vjisi epz nekus heqt op nz vjoploph jisi? Xjev en O nottoph?

 

[SteveO]

Et ep eqesvnipv opwitvus, O dep mowi xjisiwis O xotj. Vjev ot dussidv.

Vji fiwimuqis ot huoph vu piif vu ci nadj nusi edvowimz opwumwif xovj vji uqisevoupt. Cav, gummuxoph e qmep ug neopveopoph ep iraovz tjesi op iedj fiwimuqnipv xuamf iwipvaemmz hiv jon vu vji quopv ug qettowi opduni et ximm. Xjomi zuas dassipv dunqepz nez puv ci fuoph vjot, ov ot ep uqvoup gus zua.

O moli vji eqesvnipv suavi civvis vjuahj. Puv vjev O'n coetif gus epzvjoph. dup_taqis:

 

[Sid23]

Cav, gummuxoph e qmep ug neopveopoph ep iraovz tjesi op iedj fiwimuqnipv xuamf iwipvaemmz hiv jon vu vji quopv ug qettowi opduni et ximm. Xjomi zuas dassipv dunqepz nez puv ci fuoph vjot, ov ot ep uqvoup gus zua.

Dep zua iyqmeop jux vjot xuamf xusl?

Nz hsuaq ataemmz velit up ep iraovz qesvpis epf vjip tqmovt qsugovt updi vji qsukidv ot tumf. Qsukidvt esi ataemmz tumf vu meshi gosnt, qiptoup gapft, ivd.

 

[Jito]

Tiep, xjev nesliv esi zua op?