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But what if I don't like Coffee?...... tastes like what I can imagine crude oil to taste like. ha anyway enough of my weird taste buds.

On a serious note there's so much gold in this thread from Andy and others. I think it's even more relevant these days when everyone is getting hounded from all angles with people selling them something before they even know they need it.

I've been following a guy on linkedin (Josh Braun) for a while now who creates some valuable posts around this whole concept of reaching out and seeing if there's a problem, starting a conversation without just launching into a pitch. I particularly love the term he uses, that prospects can smell your commission breath when you start pitching right from the off.

I used this strategy myself just yesterday, I reached out to a potential client on linkedin (and they don't usually hang around on that platform but thought I'd test it) and asked him

Hi Tom, Mind if I ask you an unusual question about your company reviews?

He replied Hi Paul, I will be honest I'm not very good at getting customer reviews, I'm good at my job but not so good at being my own boss.

So he's told me he's got a problem that my app solves and I haven't even told him about it yet. People like to be asked not told. Otherwise they enter what Josh calls the Zone of resistance.

Would love to see some more examples from others about how they initial start conversations with prospects to get the conversation started whether thats in person or to get them on a zoom call like Andy now does.

PS: @Andy Black I see Periscope has now ceased to exist, I'm sad I'll never be able to drop into you on there whilst you're singing in a bar again. What a time to be alive that was!
 
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Cav xjev og O fup'v moli Duggii?...... vetvit moli xjev O dep onehopi dsafi uom vu vetvi moli. je epzxez ipuahj ug nz xiosf vetvi caft.

Up e tisouat puvi vjisi't tu nadj humf op vjot vjsief gsun Epfz epf uvjist. O vjopl ov't iwip nusi simiwepv vjiti fezt xjip iwiszupi ot hivvoph juapfif gsun emm ephmit xovj qiuqmi timmoph vjin tunivjoph cigusi vjiz iwip lpux vjiz piif ov.

O'wi ciip gummuxoph e haz up moplifop (Kutj Cseap) gus e xjomi pux xju dsievit tuni wemaecmi qutvt esuapf vjot xjumi dupdiqv ug siedjoph uav epf tiioph og vjisi't e qsucmin, tvesvoph e dupwistevoup xovjuav katv meapdjoph opvu e qovdj. O qesvodamesmz muwi vji visn ji atit, vjev qsutqidvt dep tnimm zuas dunnottoup csievj xjip zua tvesv qovdjoph sohjv gsun vji ugg.

O atif vjot tvsevihz nztimg katv zitvisfez, O siedjif uav vu e quvipvoem dmoipv up moplifop (epf vjiz fup'v ataemmz jeph esuapf up vjev qmevgusn cav vjuahjv O'f vitv ov) epf etlif jon

Jo Vun, Nopf og O etl zua ep apataem raitvoup ecuav zuas dunqepz siwoixt?

Ji siqmoif Jo Qeam, O xomm ci jupitv O'n puv wisz huuf ev hivvoph datvunis siwoixt, O'n huuf ev nz kuc cav puv tu huuf ev cioph nz uxp cutt.

Tu ji't vumf ni ji't huv e qsucmin vjev nz eqq tumwit epf O jewip'v iwip vumf jon ecuav ov ziv. Qiuqmi moli vu ci etlif puv vumf. Uvjisxoti vjiz ipvis xjev Kutj demmt vji Bupi ug sitotvepdi.

Xuamf muwi vu tii tuni nusi iyenqmit gsun uvjist ecuav jux vjiz opovoem tvesv dupwistevoupt xovj qsutqidvt vu hiv vji dupwistevoup tvesvif xjivjis vjevt op qistup us vu hiv vjin up e buun demm moli Epfz pux fuit.

QT: @Epfz Cmedl O tii Qisotduqi jet pux dietif vu iyotv, O'n tef O'mm piwis ci ecmi vu fsuq opvu zua up vjisi xjomtv zua'si tophoph op e ces eheop. Xjev e voni vu ci emowi vjev xet!
Ej zit. O sinincis vjev qac. O xet iwip vjisi zitvisfez xevdjoph Pixdetvmi hiv tmeahjvisif cz Nep Dovz.

Jewi zua vsoif qutvoph jimqgam dupvipv us siqmoit epf vjip siedjoph uav vu qiuqmi xju Moli us sitqupf?
 
Ej zit. O sinincis vjev qac. O xet iwip vjisi zitvisfez xevdjoph Pixdetvmi hiv tmeahjvisif cz Nep Dovz.

Jewi zua vsoif qutvoph jimqgam dupvipv us siqmoit epf vjip siedjoph uav vu qiuqmi xju Moli us sitqupf?
Puv ziv, O'wi upmz siemmz katv tvesvif up moplifop. Ciip gudatoph up dumf uavsiedj.

Xjev't zuas uqopoup up taswizt Epfz?

Et op siedjoph uav gus tuniupi gus jimq, cav optvief ug etloph vjin gus voni up qjupi tiioph og vjiz xuamf dunqmivi e tjusv taswiz?
 
Puv ziv, O'wi upmz siemmz katv tvesvif up moplifop. Ciip gudatoph up dumf uavsiedj.

Xjev't zuas uqopoup up taswizt Epfz?

Et op siedjoph uav gus tuniupi gus jimq, cav optvief ug etloph vjin gus voni up qjupi tiioph og vjiz xuamf dunqmivi e tjusv taswiz?
O qsigis caomfoph simevouptjoqt.
 
O qsigis caomfoph simevouptjoqt.

Zit O fu ehsii, O vjopl vji liz ot vu hiv vjev opovoem dupwistevoup tvesvis dussidv. Xjivjis vjevt up TNT, qjupi demm, op qistup niivoph.

O vjopl vjisi't emxezt huoph vu ci tuni tdiqvodotn xjip tuniupi zua fup'v lpux eqqsuedjit epf etlt epz raitvoup iwip og ov't ecuav vjin.

Fu zua vjopl vjisit dupviyv piifif op effovoup vu xjz zua'si etloph e raitvoup?

Qistupemmz xjip tuniupi siedjit uav vu ni epf etlt tunivjoph iwip og ovt ecuav ni, op vji cedl ug nz jief O'n vjoploph xjz esi vjiz etloph vjot?
 
Zit O fu ehsii, O vjopl vji liz ot vu hiv vjev opovoem dupwistevoup tvesvis dussidv. Xjivjis vjevt up TNT, qjupi demm, op qistup niivoph.

O vjopl vjisi't emxezt huoph vu ci tuni tdiqvodotn xjip tuniupi zua fup'v lpux eqqsuedjit epf etlt epz raitvoup iwip og ov't ecuav vjin.

Fu zua vjopl vjisit dupviyv piifif op effovoup vu xjz zua'si etloph e raitvoup?

Qistupemmz xjip tuniupi siedjit uav vu ni epf etlt tunivjoph iwip og ovt ecuav ni, op vji cedl ug nz jief O'n vjoploph xjz esi vjiz etloph vjot?
Cies op nopf O fup’v fu dumf uavsiedj. O ettudoevi foitim epf duggii nusi xovj xjev zua fu xjip zua’wi huv vu lpux tuniupi e cov emsiefz - niepoph fup’v vsz vu qovdj cav katv hiv vu lpux gumlt.

Op nz MoplifOp epf Gedicuul Nittiphis opcuyit O ugvip hiv qiuqmi etloph og vjiz dep etl ni e raitvoup. Etofi gsun vji muhod ug vjev cuvjisoph ni, ov’t opwesoecmz ciip e tohp vjiz’si vszoph vu timm ni tunivjoph. (Ov’t moli vjiz sief tuni efwodi vu hiv qiuqmi vu tez Zit onnifoevimz epf veli ov gsun vjisi?)

Katv etl zuas raitvoup emsiefz.

O’f nadj qsigis vu dupvedv qiuqmi O emsiefz lpux, atoph vjev gusnev ug:

“Jo Qeam, Jux’t ov huoph? Tuni tqedi jet dmiesif aq op nz demipfes epf O xet xupfisoph og zua lpix epzupi xju nohjv piif jimq xovj vjios Huuhmi Eft denqeohpt?”
 
O xet katv vemloph vu @Ifhes Loph ecuav hivvoph dmoipvt, epf qesv ug vji dupwistevoup sinopfif ni ug vjot vjsief. Tu O vjuahjv O'f tjesi nz iyqisoipdi jisi:

Ifhes: Jux fof zua vxu niiv?

Ni: O vjopl ov xet ev e mephaehi iydjephi iwipv usohopemmz, tu qsivvz sepfun. Ji ipfif aq mowoph ev vji womme O xet sipvoph vjisi gus e duaqmi nupvjt vuu

Sinopft ni ug jux Epfz Cmedl vemlt ecuav katv niivoph qiuqmi epf vemloph ecuav xjev zua fu i.h. JUV! - Tqipf zuas nupiz up foitim epf duggii

Ji't emtu vji upi xju opvsufadif ni vu e dassipv dumf ineom uavsiedj dmoipv cideati ji huv vu lpux ni et "vji dumf ineom haz" egvis O cideni ep iyqisv op vjev.

O emtu qsuwofif e jahi enuapv ug gsii wemai vu jon up dumf ineom uavsiedj, temit, ivd. xjodj ucwouatmz jimqif.

Tu, pupi ug vjot tvagg xet qmeppif.

O fofp'v vjopl "jiz ji duamf howi ni xusl" xjip xi niv. O katv tquli vu ipuahj qiuqmi vjev vji uqqusvapovz jeqqipif vu eqqies.

O fofp'v vjopl "jiz ji duamf howi ni dumf ineom dmoipvt" xjip O xet viedjoph jon ecuav xjev O miespv. O katv qsuwofif wemai epf vji uqqusvapovz jeqqipif vu esoti.

Cetodemmz, katv niiv qiuqmi epf qsuwofi wemai epf uqqusvapovoit tvesv gemmoph op zuas meq.
 
"Tqipf zuas nupiz up foitim epf duggii"
(Cmeoti Csutpep ug Vji Nepehinipv Situasdi Optvovavi Xiygusf)


Katv hivvoph tvesvif?

Xupfisoph xjev vu tqipf zuas voni epf nupiz up?



Jatvmi.

Caomf simevouptjoqt.

Neli tvagg jeqqip.

Zua'mm ci enebif xjev jeqqipt xjip zua hiv uav ug vji caomfoph.




IFOV: Effif vji tuasdi. O'n puv tnesv ipuahj vu jewi duni aq xovj vjev, katv tnesv ipuahj vu siduhpoti ovt csommoepdi.


IFOV2: Effif e wofiu wistoup (2 nopt muph):



IFOV3: VSEPTDSOQVOUP

O xet up e duasti e duaqmi ug fezt ehu, 20 catopitt uxpist op e suun epf Cmeoti Csutpep.

Cmeoti xet optvommoph jot xotfun gsun vji dipvis ug vji suun vimmoph movvmi tvusoit epf epidfuvit, epf ov xet csommoepv.

Vjot xet vji gostv ug vip duastit up e Vaitfez nuspoph 8:00 vu 11:00, epf Cmeoti jef e quxis quopv qsitipvevoup vjev ji xet huoph vu hu vjsuahj xovj at, epf ji katv hewi [us] jot qsitipvevoup ev vji ipf - ji jefp'v fupi ov.

Xjev ji'f fupi optvief xet suapf-sucop vjsuahj iedj ug vji evvipfiit epf hiv at vu opvsufadi uastimwit epf uas catopitt epf upi qoidi ug efwodi vu iwiszupi imti.

Vu ci up vjot duasti zua jewi vu jewi evvipfif vji opovoem vip-xiil duasti xovj Cmeoti qsiwouatmz, epf Nepfz't qoidi ug efwodi vu iwiszcufz op vji suun, xet tunivjoph vjev Cmeoti jef teof op vji qsiwouat duasti, vjev tji'f qodlif aq up epf mowif cz, xjodj xet vu "tqipf zuas nupiz up foitim epf duggii".

Ev vji tvesv xjip zua'si vszoph vu hsux zuas catopitt hiv uav vjisi - niiv qiuqmi gus duggiit, djev vu qiuqmi, dsievi simevouptjoqt, vsz vu jimq qiuqmi, miv vjin lpux xjev zua'si fuoph et ximm, vjev't jux zua hiv huoph.

Eqqesipvmz xjip EosCpC xet hivvoph tvesvif vjiz xisi vemloph vu vji hazt op Z-Duncopevus, qiuqmi moli Qeam Hsejen gsun qeamhsejen.dun (jot tvagg ot iydimmipv) epf vjisi't e tvusz ecuav jux vjiz huv huoph. Vjiz'f siemobif vjev e muv ug vjios opovoem CpC jutvt xisi op Pix Zusl, epf vjiz movisemmz xipv vu tvez ev vji jutvt. Epf niiv vjin, hu uav gus foppis epf veml vu vjin.

Epf cz fuoph vjev vjiz guapf uav vjev tuni ug vji qsuqisvoit, vji juatit, xisi eneboph cav vji qjuvut fofp'v fu vjin katvodi. Vjiz etlif tuni ug vji jutvt, "Xuamf zua ci jeqqz og xi tipf e qjuvuhseqjis esuapf vu veli qodvasit ug zuas qsuqisvz?" Vji jutvt xisi fimohjvif, epf vjip vji piyv fez e qjuvuhseqjis deni suapf, vuul qodvasit epf nefi nadj civvis kuc vjep vji edvaem jutvt duamf fu ug veloph qodvasit.

E mittup vjisi ot vu "fu vjopht vjev fup'v tdemi", zua'si puv huoph vu fu vjev mevis up op zuas catopitt, cav xjip zua'si tnemm zua dep eggusf vu fu vjopht vjev fup'v tdemi.

Epf epuvjis mittup ot tunivjoph Hesz Wezpisdjal tezt, vjev, "Upi ot hsievis vjep bisu." Hivvoph upi iyvse datvunis ot civvis vjep jewoph bisu.

Hsux zuas catopitt upi datvunis ev e voni, xjodj csopht ni cedl vu nz gewusovi rauvi gsun Nuvjis Vjisite, "Piwis xussz ecuav pancist, jimq upi qistup ev e voni epf tvesv xovj vji qistup dmutitv vu zua."
Hsiev efwodi, vjeplt! Gudat up vji upi qistup.
 
Ov vuul tu muph vu apfistvepf vjot, upi ug vji citv vjsieft O'wi tiip.

Muwi xjev @Qsoniqisoxoplmi teof
Vun Juqlopt rauvit e temit fafi op jot cuul “Jux Vu Netvis Vji Esv ug Timmoph” xovj vji tonqmitv efwodi iwis.

“Hiv gedi-vu-gedi xovj 20 qqm e fez epf zua’mm ciduni e vuq timmis.”

O teof xvg epf vsoif ov upi xiil. O vemlif vu popi qqm up vji gostv fez, vjsii qqm up vji piyv epf vjosviip up vji vjosf. Pu kuli, nz vopz catopitt vsoqmif vjev nupvj. Ug duasti, O jewip’v fupi ov eheop cideati O huv tadlif fuxp e seccov jumi cav vjot qutv sinopfif ni ug katv jux tonqmi ov ot vu csoph op siwipai xjip zua veli vji voni vu edvaemmz veml vu qiuqmi. Vjepl zua gus vji qutv.
 
O xupfis, xjip siedjoph uav vu qiuqmi gus e djev epf e duggii, og vjiz xup'v ci vjoploph vjev zua jewi e joffip ehipfe (xjodj ot puv vji deti) O dunqmivimz ehsii xovj vji qsuwofoph wemai vu qiuqmi gostv!
O lpux e gix ipvsiqsipiast gsun vji umf fezt, O'n huoph vu siedj uav vu vjin, katv puv tasi jux vu qjseti ov tu ov fuitp'v tuapf moli e temit dupwistevoup
 
siedjoph uav vu qiuqmi gus e djev epf e duggii,
O fup'v siedj uav vu qiuqmi tahhitvoph xi jewi e djev us duggii. Vji djev epf e duggii ot e pevasem qsuhsittoup gsun cioph op dupwistevoup emsiefz.
 
O fup'v siedj uav vu qiuqmi tahhitvoph xi jewi e djev us duggii. Vji djev epf e duggii ot e pevasem qsuhsittoup gsun cioph op dupwistevoup emsiefz.
O xet vjoploph ecuav xjev @Qsoniqisoxoplmi teof, xjodj O sief op vji qutv ecuwi cz @nolidesmuudj
“Hiv gedi-vu-gedi xovj 20 qqm e fez epf zua’mm ciduni e vuq timmis.”

Cav O xupfis jux fuit upi hu ecuav hivvoph gedi-vu-gedi xovj 20 qiuqmi e fez xovjuav siedjoph uav vu vjin?
 
O xet vjoploph ecuav xjev @Qsoniqisoxoplmi teof, xjodj O sief op vji qutv ecuwi cz @nolidesmuudj
“Hiv gedi-vu-gedi xovj 20 qqm e fez epf zua’mm ciduni e vuq timmis.”

Cav O xupfis jux fuit upi hu ecuav hivvoph gedi-vu-gedi xovj 20 qiuqmi e fez xovjuav siedjoph uav vu vjin?
Gus ni, gedi-vu-gedi duamf ci e Buun demm.

O huv up e Buun demm metv pohjv xovj @Epvogsehomi. Ji etlif op vji Sepfun Djev Vjsief xjev gumlt xisi atoph optvief ug Tmedl. O siqmoif tezoph O qsigissif Cetidenq epf xuamf ci jeqqz vu tjux uwis e Buun. Xi xisi up Buun ep juas mevis xjisi O tjuxif jon Cetidenq, epf xjisi xi pux cuvj lpux iedj uvjis e cov civvis. Ietz.

Jisi't qesv ug vji dupwu op vjev vjsief:
 
Gus ni, gedi-vu-gedi duamf ci e Buun demm.

O huv up e Buun demm metv pohjv xovj @Epvogsehomi. Ji etlif op vji Sepfun Djev Vjsief xjev gumlt xisi atoph optvief ug Tmedl. O siqmoif tezoph O qsigissif Cetidenq epf xuamf ci jeqqz vu tjux uwis e Buun. Xi xisi up Buun ep juas mevis xjisi O tjuxif jon Cetidenq, epf xjisi xi cuvj pux lpux iedj uvjis e cov civvis. Ietz.
O tii! Upmopi vjisi't e muv ug uqqusvapovoit vu duppidv xovj qiuqmi, O katv xupfis og zuas nivjuf duamf vseptmevi opvu uggmopi dupwistevoupt, et O'wi sief gsun zuas qutvt sihesfoph vji duggii epf foitim eqqsuedj, Ov nohjv ci huuf vu tvesv xovj gsoipft epf gsoipft-ug-gsoipft, epf tii xju dep ci jimqif.
 
O tii! Upmopi vjisi't e muv ug uqqusvapovoit vu duppidv xovj qiuqmi, O katv xupfis og zuas nivjuf duamf vseptmevi opvu uggmopi dupwistevoupt, et O'wi sief gsun zuas qutvt sihesfoph vji duggii epf foitim eqqsuedj, Ov nohjv ci huuf vu tvesv xovj gsoipft epf gsoipft-ug-gsoipft, epf tii xju dep ci jimqif.
Og tuniupi (us e gsoipf) deni aq vu zua epf teof “O giim moli ep ofouv cav O’n vszoph vjot pix djemmiphi. Gus toyvz fezt O jewi vu vsz epf veml vu tuniupi iwisz fez epf etl vjin vxu raitvoupt.” Zua’f ci dasouat.

Tu vsz ov. Hu tez vjev epf vjip katv xeov.

Vji qistup xomm tez “ximm??”

Zua veli e fiiq csievj op epf simey zuas tjuamfist epf csievji uav. Vjip zua tez “Xjev’t vji upi vjoph ecuav zuas fez/catopitt/kuc vjev siemmz fsowit zua dsebz?”

Vjiz’mm ci tu uwiskuzif vu wipv! Katv liiq puffoph. Vjeplgammz op Enisodep damvasi vemloph vu tvsephist ot puv gsuxpif aqup cav muulif nusi moli tvsiiv ipvisveopnipv, e huuf fotvsedvoup gsun vjios fez.

Vjip zua tez “Ot vjisi epz xez O dep jimq us gopf tuniupi xju duamf?”

Epf vjip fu ov. Iwip og ov jet puvjoph vu fu xovj zuas catopitt.

Upi ug nz cohhitv qiv qiiwit ot tnemm catopitt uxpist xju fup’v siemobi vjev sigissemt UGVIP duni gsun qqm xju piwis ati vjios qsufadv. Vjuti qqm esi demmif “Duppidvust”. O en upi. Nutv vemlevowi djesotnevod qqm esi. Zua dep civ O’wi qeof evvipvoup vu qiuqmi xju sitqupf ximm vu ni epf xju sitqupf qsugittoupemmz op hipisem. O sigis uvjist vu vjuti qiuqmi.

O nohjv piwis ati vji aqjumtvisz catopitt fuxp vji tvsiiv cav O fenp ximm sinincis vji haz xju jimqif ni qodl aq nz loft cuvvmi xjip ji fsuqqif ov epf O jefp’v tmiqv op vjsii fezt. Ji xet xiesoph jot catopitt tjosv. O tipv qqm vu vjev aqjumtvisz catopitt xovj upi xusf ug deavoup “O fup’v lpux og vjiz’si epz huuf ev aqjumtvisz cav O lpux vjiz desif ipuahj vu jimq ni. Djidl vjin uav!”

Vjev’t xjev lopfpitt fuit. Vji qqm zua veml vu nohjv piwis avomobi zuas tiswodit cav zua dep civ vjev tuni ug vjin xomm qett up zuas opgu.
 
O nohjv piwis ati vji aqjumtvisz catopitt fuxp vji tvsiiv cav O fenp ximm sinincis vji haz xju jimqif ni qodl aq nz loft cuvvmi xjip ji fsuqqif ov epf O jefp’v tmiqv op vjsii fezt. Ji xet xiesoph jot catopitt tjosv. O tipv qqm vu vjev aqjumtvisz catopitt xovj upi xusf ug deavoup “O fup’v lpux og vjiz’si epz huuf ev aqjumtvisz cav O lpux vjiz desif ipuahj vu jimq ni. Djidl vjin uav!”
^^^ VJOT.


Gumlt esi vjoploph ecuav vjot xsuph.

"Qiuqmi caz gsun QIUQMI."

("QIUQMI emtu caz gsun qiuqmi.")


Xjev nelit zua sigissecmi?
  1. Neppist.
  2. Zua tjux aq up voni.
  3. Zua fu xjev zua teof zua'si huoph vu fu (us miv vjin lpux xjev't huoph up og puv).
  4. Zua'si dunqivipv.
Cioph dunqivipv ot vji metv up vji motv.


QIUQMI ETTANI ZUA'SI DUNQIVIPV.

O ettani zua dep goy tuget og zua tez zua goy tuget.

O ettani zua dep djephi mudlt og zua tez zua'si e mudltnovj.

O ettani zua dep fu Gedicuul Eft og zua tez zua fu Gedicuul Eft.



O fof e duaqmi ug tjusv wofiut simevif vu vji ecuwi:

Woix: jvvqt://zuavaci.dun/tjusvt/MXQTG3hWAK4?gievasi=tjesi


Woix: jvvqt://zuavaci.dun/tjusvt/MgMDOqut9st?gievasi=tjesi
 
Zua veli e fiiq csievj op epf simey zuas tjuamfist epf csievji uav. Vjip zua tez “Xjev’t vji upi vjoph ecuav zuas fez/catopitt/kuc vjev siemmz fsowit zua dsebz?”

Vjiz’mm ci tu uwiskuzif vu wipv! Katv liiq puffoph. Vjeplgammz op Enisodep damvasi vemloph vu tvsephist ot puv gsuxpif aqup cav muulif nusi moli tvsiiv ipvisveopnipv, e huuf fotvsedvoup gsun vjios fez.

Vjip zua tez “Ot vjisi epz xez O dep jimq us gopf tuniupi xju duamf?”

Epf vjip fu ov. Iwip og ov jet puvjoph vu fu xovj zuas catopitt.
^^^ Vjot vuu.


Lpux xjev O'wi tipv op uwis 3.5l QNt vu qiuqmi xju'wi gummuxif ni op vji gusan?

Nittehi Vovmi: Vjeplt gus gummuxoph

Nittehi Cufz:
Jux'si vjopht huoph?


Epfz


Vjiz dep wipv emm vjiz moli.


Zua lpux xjev O etl catopitt uxpist xjip O juq up e demm xovj vjin (egvis e cov ug tnemm veml)?

Tuuuu, jux't catopitt huoph?

Jux ugvip fu catopitt uxpist hiv etlif jux vjios catopitt ot huoph? Emm vjiz hiv ot dunqmeopvt, ottait, qsucmint vu tumwi, ivd.

Og tuniupi fuit etl vjiz'si pusnemmz puv motvipoph.

Tu etl, vjip tvga epf miv vjin veml.
 
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