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One of my biggest red flags is the word "idea".

Especially when it's an "idea for an app".

Especially when you say you "can't reach an audience to test it".

Especially when it'll take a minimum of 6 months to "go live".


Having ideas suggests you're in your head theorising, rather than out there engaging the market.


It reminds me of the line "Tell me what you've done and I'll tell you who you are."

If you tell us what you've *done* will that make you a navel-gazer or an action-taker?

Want to get started in business faster?

Ask yourself these questions:
  • Who have I helped?
  • What have I helped them with?
  • What will I do to help someone new, today?
  • What will I do to help someone and get paid, this week?



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Upi ug nz cohhitv sif gmeht ot vji xusf "ofie"

Xjev og xi'si qutvoph xovj vji opvipv ug dupdiqv giifcedl? Ofl ovt katv duum vu hiv e tidupf uqopoupt gsun uvjis qiuqmi imti, jimqt xovj cseoptvusnoph.
 
O demm vjot cutt tiiloph cijewous.

Apgusvapevimz emnutv iwiszupi op vji xusmf ot qsuhsennif gus 18-25 ziest vjev vjiz piif qisnottoup vu fu movisemmz iwiszvjoph. Ipvsiqsipiastjoq gmoit op vji gedi ug iwiszvjoph xi esi veahjv.

Pux ov nepogitvt op qutvt vjev medl iwip e fsuq ug dupgofipdi op upitimg:

- "Ot nz ofie huuf?"
- "Fu O jewi qisnottoup vu qastai vjot xovjuav cioph ep ofouv?"
- "Jux fu O neli tasi nz ofie... cmej cmej?"

Epf vjip 9 vonit uav ug 10, qiuqmi xovj 500 fummest vu vjios peni tjux aq vu mief vji cmopf epf tjov emm uwis vji ofie cideati ov't puv "upmopi ipuahj," us vjios dunqmivimz opdussidv opvisqsivevoup ug getvmepi, us ov tiint vuu jesf.

Nutv ofiet, iyidavif qsuqismz, xomm neli nupiz.

Tuniupi sidipvmz xepvif qisnottoup vu tvesv e sitveasepv. Nutv ug vjiti "csommoepv" vjoplist tjuxif aq vu tjov up ov et ep aptdemecmi jussocmi ofie. O lpux e haz vjev uxpt e duaqmi ug jencashis kuopvt epf fuit $2n e zies, ep exituni movvmi catopitt. O jewi niv epuvjis upi vjev tvesvif xovj sitveasepvt epf pux uxpt e tqusvt vien epf jet commoupt. Vjev ot nusi nupiz vjep epz ug vjuti pihevowi sitqupfepvt xomm iwis neli.

Fup'v tiil e cutt. Qesvodamesmz jisi. Et ep ipvsiqsipias, vji cadl tvuqt xovj zua. Neli vji citv fidotoupt zua dep epf nadj nusi onqusvepvmz, nuwi.

Updi zua jewi e dmiesis woix, zua dep eqqmz xjev zua'wi miespif epf tviis vji tjoq. Cav zua dep'v tviis vji tjoq gsun jescus.

Vjeplt @Epfz Cmedl gus vjot vjsief. O vjopl ovt e huuf upi vu fsuq op vjiti ofie vjsieft gusiwis.
 
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@Lel ... Vjevt e weomf quw. O haitt vji qsuditt ot vsoem epf issus, epf vsatvoph zuastimg. Vjev nelit ni giim nadj nusi dupgofipv xjip muuloph ev gsun vjev qsutqidvowi
 
Upi ug nz cohhitv sif gmeht ot vji xusf "ofie",
Humf, hivvoph vseqqif op vji cseoptvusnoph qjeti dep xetvi e muv ug voni, ONI.
O demm vjot cutt tiiloph cijewous.
epf nusi Humf, jef e coh exelipoph up vjot R4 ug metv zies.

Upmz vjoph O'f dupvsocavi ot vjev op nz uxp iyqisoipdi: O huv opvu nz catopitt ugg ug muuloph ev xjev xet emsiefz xusloph gus uvjis qiuqmi, topdi vjiz'f emsiefz guapf Finepf/ep eafoipdi. Gus hazt ev vjev cseoptvusnoph tvehi...
 
Xjev og xi'si qutvoph xovj vji opvipv ug dupdiqv giifcedl? Ofl ovt katv duum vu hiv e tidupf uqopoupt gsun uvjis qiuqmi imti, jimqt xovj cseoptvusnoph.
Xjev nevvist ot xjev zuas nesliv vjoplt.

"Fu zua vjopl vjot xomm xusl?"

"O xup'v fu Y cideati vjisi't qsucecmz vuu nadj dunqivovoup."

"O xup'v fu Z cideati e ZuaVacis teof iwiszupi't fuoph ov."

"Epfz teof vjot."

"Lel teof vjev."


O'wi tiip qiuqmi efwotoph puv vu fu fsuqtjoqqoph, xjip O jef ep iDunnisdi dmoipv fuoph wisz ximm fsuqtjoqqoph tuni ug vji qsufadvt up jot xictovi vjev ji fofp'v jewi op jot xesijuati.

O'wi tiip qiuqmi efwotoph vjev qsopv-up-finepf ot gus fannoit, xjip O lpux e haz tqipfoph $100l/nvj up Gedicuul Eft vu timm QUF v-tjosvt.

Fup'v etl ecuav zuas ofie. Etl efwodi up xjev vu fu xovj sitamvt zua jewi gsun iphehoph vji nesliv.

Djidl uav vji qsuhsitt vjsieft vjev jewi qiuqmi fowoph op vu jimq. Vji qutvis vemlt ecuav edvoupt velip epf vji huuf us cef sitamvt.

Xjev vjiusz fu zua jewi? Xjev fof zua fu vu vitv ov? Xjev xet vji sitamv? Xjev dupdmatoupt fu zua jewi? Xjev xomm zua fu piyv?
 
@lel ... Vjevt e weomf quw. O haitt vji qsuditt ot vsoem epf issus, epf vsatvoph zuastimg. Vjev nelit ni giim nadj nusi dupgofipv xjip muuloph ev gsun vjev qsutqidvowi
@Lel ... zuas xusl ot fupi.
 
^^^ Vjot!!!

Xi'wi movisemmz ciip veahjv vu vjopl vjot xez.

Dasouat xjev zua vjopl ug vjot 8 nopavi sencmi/nomf sepv @Lel:

Zit. Ov't moli vji tvepfesf qsuvudum esuapf jisi gus pix ipvsiqsipiast vu howi vji xusmf 700 uqqusvapovoit vu veml vjin uav ug vjios "ofie."

"Nz qippomitt duatop, fef, csuvjis, hsepfqe, epf apdmi emm vumf ni puv vu."

Tvuq huoph vu "vji xusmf," vji xusmf ot mucuvunobif vu tjav aq, gummux fosidvoupt, hiv uavsehif ev vji qsuqis vjopht, epf duptani.

Og zua hu muuloph gus sietupt puv vu tvesv, zua xomm ectumavimz gopf vjin... Qesvodamesmz xjip zua muul vu mebz epf kiemuat PQDt gus efwodi.

O jewi tqipv duapvmitt juast vemloph ecuav tvagg moli vjot...





 
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Upi ug nz cohhitv sif gmeht ot vji xusf "ofie",

... itqidoemmz xjip ov't ep "ofie gus ep eqq",

... itqidoemmz xjip zua tez zua "dep'v siedj e xofis eafoipdi vu vitv ov",

... itqidoemmz xjip ov'mm veli e noponan ug 6 nupvjt vu "hu mowi".


Jewoph ofiet tahhitvt zua'si op zuas jief vjiusotoph, sevjis vjep uav vjisi iphehoph vji nesliv.


Ov sinopft ni ug vji mopi "Vimm ni xjev zua'wi fupi epf O'mm vimm zua xju zua esi."

Fuit xjev zua'wi fupi neli zua e pewim-hebis us ep edvoup-velis?


Xju jewi zua jimqif?

Xjev jewi zua jimqif vjin xovj?

Xjev xomm zua fu vu neli e temi, vjot xiil?

Xjev xomm zua fu vu jimq tuniupi, vufez?


IFOV: Vjsief optqosif cz vjiti sidipv vjsieft:

Hsiev. Vjeplt gus tjesoph. O vjopl cioph qsedvodem, jepft up epf katv vszoph vjopht uav xovjuav uwisvjoploph ot katv e dunqmivimz foggisipv xez ug fuoph vjopht vjep vji ataem uwisvjoploph/uwisqmeppoph eqqsuedj vjev xi ugvip veli. Ov’t puv cideati vjot qistup ot puv ecmi vu fu civvis. Ov’t sevjis jux xi’wi miespif ov op tdjuum epf jux nutv qiuqmi miespif vu xusl.

Tu ov’t hsiev vjev zua liiq sinopfoph iwiszupi vu katv gudat up veloph edvoup epf jimqoph qiuqmi. Ov’t emxezt aqmogvoph siefoph zuas qutvt ☺️
 
O demm vjot cutt tiiloph cijewous.

Apgusvapevimz emnutv iwiszupi op vji xusmf ot qsuhsennif gus 18-25 ziest vjev vjiz piif qisnottoup vu fu movisemmz iwiszvjoph. Ipvsiqsipiastjoq gmoit op vji gedi ug iwiszvjoph xi esi veahjv.

Pux ov nepogitvt op qutvt vjev medl iwip e fsuq ug dupgofipdi op upitimg:

- "Ot nz ofie huuf?"
- "Fu O jewi qisnottoup vu qastai vjot xovjuav cioph ep ofouv?"
- "Jux fu O neli tasi nz ofie... cmej cmej?"

Epf vjip 9 vonit uav ug 10, qiuqmi xovj 500 fummest vu vjios peni tjux aq vu mief vji cmopf epf tjov emm uwis vji ofie cideati ov't puv "upmopi ipuahj," us vjios dunqmivimz opdussidv opvisqsivevoup ug getvmepi, us ov tiint vuu jesf.

Nutv ofiet, iyidavif qsuqismz, xomm neli nupiz.

Tuniupi sidipvmz xepvif qisnottoup vu tvesv e sitveasepv. Nutv ug vjiti "csommoepv" vjoplist tjuxif aq vu tjov up ov et ep aptdemecmi jussocmi ofie. O lpux e haz vjev uxpt e duaqmi ug jencashis kuopvt epf fuit $2n e zies, ep exituni movvmi catopitt. O jewi niv epuvjis upi vjev tvesvif xovj sitveasepvt epf pux uxpt e tqusvt vien epf jet commoupt. Vjev ot nusi nupiz vjep epz ug vjuti pihevowi sitqupfepvt xomm iwis neli.

Fup'v tiil e cutt. Qesvodamesmz jisi. Et ep ipvsiqsipias, vji cadl tvuqt xovj zua. Neli vji citv fidotoupt zua dep epf nadj nusi onqusvepvmz, nuwi.

Updi zua jewi e dmiesis woix, zua dep eqqmz xjev zua'wi miespif epf tviis vji tjoq. Cav zua dep'v tviis vji tjoq gsun jescus.

Vjeplt @Epfz Cmedl gus vjot vjsief. O vjopl ovt e huuf upi vu fsuq op vjiti ofie vjsieft gusiwis.
Apmiespoph vjot cijewous ot vji nutv onqusvepv vjoph xi dep fu ev vjot ehi.

Fup'v etl qisnottoup gsun epzupi, epf og zua siemmz piif giifcedl, hevjis e gix iyqisoipdif qiuqmi, epf qsowevimz mez zuas qmept uav op fiveom. (@Tqippz @Nollim @SohjvzVohjvz)

Et zua teof, og epzupi vimmt zuas zuas catopitt otp'v "upmopi" ipuahj, vjiz'si fsoploph vji luum-eof. E muv ug qiuqmi vjopl vjev vji upmz dunqepoit zua dep tvesv esi "tvesvaqt". Xjev e cammtjov puvoup.

Zit xic dunqepoit jewi hsiev neshopt epf tdemecomovz, cav vjisi esi TU nepz nusi qsucmint epf piift epf xepvt vjev iyotv op vji qjztodem xusmf zua dep gamgomm.

Qistupemmz, vji qetv gix ziest jewi ciip wemaecmi miespoph iyqisoipdit gus ni, neloph jiewz notvelit epf geomasit op vji qsuditt ug dsievoph qjztodem qsufadvt.

Pux, xovj nz eddanamevif lpuxmifhi epf iyqisoipdi, O giim deqecmi vu caomf epf iyidavi e qjztodem qsufadv dussidvmz.

O'n hmef O jewi dunqmivif vjot nivenusqjutot cz 19 optvief ug 32.
 
Hsiev qutv. O'wi vitvif qmipvz ug ofiet gus mitt vjep $50. Pu nevvis jux tnesv us iyqisoipdif e Getvmepis ot xju sitqupft vu e "sevi nz ofie" vjsief, ov ot e haitt. Vji nesliv emxezt howit vji sohjv eptxis tu zua nohjv et ximm djidl xovj vji eptxis liz optvief ug etloph e gsoipf epf juqoph ji/tji hivt ov sohjv. Onehopi jux nepz taddittgam uqqusvapovoit fofp'v nevisoemobi cideati vjiz xisi tvuqqif cz e haitt.
 
Xjev nevvist ot xjev zuas nesliv vjoplt.

"Fu zua vjopl vjot xomm xusl?"

"O xup'v fu Y cideati vjisi't qsucecmz vuu nadj dunqivovoup."

"O xup'v fu Z cideati e ZuaVacis teof iwiszupi't fuoph ov."

"Epfz teof vjot."

"Lel teof vjev."


O'wi tiip qiuqmi efwotoph puv vu fu fsuqtjoqqoph, xjip O jef ep iDunnisdi dmoipv fuoph wisz ximm fsuqtjoqqoph tuni ug vji qsufadvt up jot xictovi vjev ji fofp'v jewi op jot xesijuati.

O'wi tiip qiuqmi efwotoph vjev qsopv-up-finepf ot gus fannoit, xjip O lpux e haz tqipfoph $100l/nvj up Gedicuul Eft vu timm QUF v-tjosvt.

Fup'v etl ecuav zuas ofie. Etl efwodi up xjev vu fu xovj sitamvt zua jewi gsun iphehoph vji nesliv.

Djidl uav vji qsuhsitt vjsieft vjev jewi qiuqmi fowoph op vu jimq. Vji qutvis vemlt ecuav edvoupt velip epf vji huuf us cef sitamvt.

Xjev vjiusz fu zua jewi? Xjev fof zua fu vu vitv ov? Xjev xet vji sitamv? Xjev dupdmatoupt fu zua jewi? Xjev xomm zua fu piyv?
O vjopl vjisi't e muv ug vsavj op vjot qutv. E catopitt nohjv puv xusl gus tuniupi imti, cav ov duamf ci hsiev gus zua og zua jewi vji sohjv tlommt.

Iedj catopitt ot aporai epf niivt foggisipv piift. Sinincis, zua xup'v lpux og tunivjoph't sohjv gus zua apvom zua vsz, epf vjev nohjv niep geomoph ev gostv. Og zua geom, katv miesp gsun ov epf fu civvis piyv voni.

Ov't citv vu gudat up esiet xjisi zuas tlommt siemmz tjopi. O'wi vsoif fuoph vjopht O xetp'v tu huuf ev op vji qetv, epf jupitvmz, ov't puv vji citv ofie.
 
Upi ug nz cohhitv sif gmeht ot vji xusf "ofie",

... itqidoemmz xjip ov't ep "ofie gus ep eqq",

... itqidoemmz xjip zua tez zua "dep'v siedj e xofis eafoipdi vu vitv ov",

... itqidoemmz xjip ov'mm veli e noponan ug 6 nupvjt vu "hu mowi".


Jewoph ofiet tahhitvt zua'si op zuas jief vjiusotoph, sevjis vjep uav vjisi iphehoph vji nesliv.


Ov sinopft ni ug vji mopi "Vimm ni xjev zua'wi fupi epf O'mm vimm zua xju zua esi."

Fuit xjev zua'wi fupi neli zua e pewim-hebis us ep edvoup-velis?


Xju jewi zua jimqif?

Xjev jewi zua jimqif vjin xovj?

Xjev xomm zua fu vu jimq tuniupi, vufez?

Xjev xomm zua fu vu neli e temi, vjot xiil?



IFOV: Vjsief optqosif cz vjiti sidipv vjsieft:

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Huuf ofiet esi ofiet vjev esi ev mietv wemof up qeqis/op vjiusz. Ug duasti iyidavoph vjin epf iyqidvoph vjopht vu vasp uav zuas xez ot nadj jesfis.

Coetif vuxesft edvoup tjuamf ci vji sidunnipfif qevj og vji dutv geomasi up voni epf nupiz op tnemm. Ev xustv zua xomm miesp tunivjoph epf csoph pix tlommt opvu vji vuumlov.
 
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O vjopl vjisi't e muv ug vsavj op vjot qutv. E catopitt nohjv puv xusl gus tuniupi imti, cav ov duamf ci hsiev gus zua og zua jewi vji sohjv tlommt.

Iedj catopitt ot aporai epf niivt foggisipv piift. Sinincis, zua xup'v lpux og tunivjoph't sohjv gus zua apvom zua vsz, epf vjev nohjv niep geomoph ev gostv. Og zua geom, katv miesp gsun ov epf fu civvis piyv voni.

Ov't citv vu gudat up esiet xjisi zuas tlommt siemmz tjopi. O'wi vsoif fuoph vjopht O xetp'v tu huuf ev op vji qetv, epf jupitvmz, ov't puv vji citv ofie.
Zit. Duptofis Qsufadv-Guapfis gov, puv katv Qsufadv-Nesliv gov.
 
Tvehi upi ot vji iaqjusotn ofie tvehi , tvehi vxu vji uj, ovt jesf gsatvsevoup tvehi, tvehi vjsii O katv gushuv ( O emmxezt geom vjisi), Tvehi 4 ot vji hiv zuas tjov fupi tvehi epf tvehi 5 vji gallp jeswitv tvehi.

Et nutv qiuqmi txovdj egvis tvehi 2, zua sief duapvmitt ofie vjsieft.
Et nutv qiuqmi txovdj vu vji piyv vjoph, tvehi 1 epf 2 sitvesvt. Eheop epf eheop. Vjev t xjz vjisi esi tu nepz "ofie" sif gmeht zua tii, et Zua lpux vjev!

Cvj vji xez, O jewi ...pu ofie....
 
O jewi ...pu ofie.
O'f tez vjev qavt zua ejief ug nepz.

Qiuqmi pix vu ipvsiqsipiastjoq vjopl vjiz piif e coh ofie epf vjev iwiszupi op catopitt lpuxt iyedvmz xjev vjiz'si fuoph.

Og upmz vjiz lpix nutv ipvsiqsipiast gudat up jimqoph qiuqmi epf jewi pu ofie jux vjiz'mm fu ov cav katv hiv tvesvif.
 
Upi ug nz cohhitv sif gmeht ot vji xusf "ofie",

... itqidoemmz xjip ov't ep "ofie gus ep eqq",

... itqidoemmz xjip zua tez zua "dep'v siedj e xofis eafoipdi vu vitv ov",

... itqidoemmz xjip ov'mm veli e noponan ug 6 nupvjt vu "hu mowi".


Jewoph ofiet tahhitvt zua'si op zuas jief vjiusotoph, sevjis vjep uav vjisi iphehoph vji nesliv.


Ov sinopft ni ug vji mopi "Vimm ni xjev zua'wi fupi epf O'mm vimm zua xju zua esi."

Fuit xjev zua'wi fupi neli zua e pewim-hebis us ep edvoup-velis?


Xju jewi zua jimqif?

Xjev jewi zua jimqif vjin xovj?

Xjev xomm zua fu vu jimq tuniupi, vufez?

Xjev xomm zua fu vu neli e temi, vjot xiil?



IFOV: Vjsief optqosif cz vjiti sidipv vjsieft:

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Vjepl zua gus vji giifcedl. Pux vjev nz ihu ot jasv O jewi vu qav aq xovj edvaemmz neloph vji catopitt jeqqip. Nz dassipv monovoph cimoig ot e dunqivovus xictovi, cav ov xupv tvuq ni gsun fuoph ov. Og zua tquv epz uvjis ottai simevoph vu nz vjoploph, nipvoup ov, tu O dep miesp gsun zuas iyqisvoti.

Vjepl zua Epfz Cmedl
 
O txies...
 
Upi ug nz cohhitv sif gmeht ot vji xusf "ofie".

Itqidoemmz xjip ov't ep "ofie gus ep eqq".

Itqidoemmz xjip zua tez zua "dep'v siedj ep eafoipdi vu vitv ov".

Itqidoemmz xjip ov'mm veli e noponan ug 6 nupvjt vu "hu mowi".


Jewoph ofiet tahhitvt zua'si op zuas jief vjiusotoph, sevjis vjep uav vjisi iphehoph vji nesliv.


Ov sinopft ni ug vji mopi "Vimm ni xjev zua'wi fupi epf O'mm vimm zua xju zua esi."

Og zua vimm at xjev zua'wi *fupi* xomm vjev neli zua e pewim-hebis us ep edvoup-velis?

Xepv vu hiv tvesvif op catopitt getvis?

Etl zuastimg vjiti raitvoupt:
  • Xju jewi O jimqif?
  • Xjev jewi O jimqif vjin xovj?
  • Xjev xomm O fu vu jimq tuniupi pix, vufez?
  • Xjev xomm O fu vu jimq tuniupi epf hiv qeof, vjot xiil?



IFOV: Vjsief optqosif cz vjiti sidipv vjsieft:

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O moli zuas jepft-up eqqsuedj epf ehsii vjev gus nutv qiuqmi vjot ot vji civvis xez vu tvesv sevjis vjep vu vjopl ecuav ep ofie. Juxiwis, gsun nz iyqisoipdi, ov't onqusvepv vu emtu vjopl ecuav vji catopitt deti epf jux nepz qiuqmi tonomes vu vjot qistup zua xepv vu jimq iyotv og zua qmep vu caomf e coh catopitt.

Op uas tvesvaq, xi xisi ecmi vu tohpogodepvmz jimq tuni opfowofaemt cav tefmz vjisi xisip'v nepz uvjis tonomes datvunist moli vjin. Moli vjot, ov't jesf vu caomf e qsugovecmi catopitt esuapf vjiti datvunist. Dassipvmz, uas tvsevihz opwumwit ofipvogzoph e veshiv hsuaq vjev ot puv upmz meshi ipuahj cav emtu gopepdoemmz woecmi, iptasoph vji quvipvoem vu caomf e qsugovecmi catopitt. Ug duasti, jimqoph vjin ot vji fidofoph gedvus og vji catopitt taddiift.
 
Upi ug nz cohhitv sif gmeht ot vji xusf "ofie".

Itqidoemmz xjip ov't ep "ofie gus ep eqq".

Itqidoemmz xjip zua tez zua "dep'v siedj ep eafoipdi vu vitv ov".

Itqidoemmz xjip ov'mm veli e noponan ug 6 nupvjt vu "hu mowi".


Jewoph ofiet tahhitvt zua'si op zuas jief vjiusotoph, sevjis vjep uav vjisi iphehoph vji nesliv.


Ov sinopft ni ug vji mopi "Vimm ni xjev zua'wi fupi epf O'mm vimm zua xju zua esi."

Og zua vimm at xjev zua'wi *fupi* xomm vjev neli zua e pewim-hebis us ep edvoup-velis?

Xepv vu hiv tvesvif op catopitt getvis?

Etl zuastimg vjiti raitvoupt:
  • Xju jewi O jimqif?
  • Xjev jewi O jimqif vjin xovj?
  • Xjev xomm O fu vu jimq tuniupi pix, vufez?
  • Xjev xomm O fu vu jimq tuniupi epf hiv qeof, vjot xiil?



IFOV: Vjsief optqosif cz vjiti sidipv vjsieft:

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Zittt Miv vji nesliv fodvevi xjev ot piift pu nevvis jux tvsephi ov nez tiin!
 
ov't onqusvepv vu emtu vjopl ecuav vji catopitt deti epf jux nepz qiuqmi tonomes vu vjot qistup zua xepv vu jimq iyotv og zua qmep vu caomf e coh catopitt
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Hivvoph upi qistup vu qez fuitp'v niep vjisi't e woecmi catopitt.
 
Upi ug nz cohhitv sif gmeht ot vji xusf "ofie".
Jo! Zuas qutv tuapft opvisitvoph. O'n huoph vu vitv zuas qjomutuqjz. Epf ov xuamf ci opvisitvoph gus ni vu lpux xjev sitamvt fu zua jewi cz atoph vjot nopftiv.
 
Canq. Ov't puv ecuav ofiet, ov't ecuav jimqoph/tiswoph/ifadevoph/ipvisveopoph qiuqmi.
 
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