Vegan / Vegetarians Only (Chat about lifestyle, opportunities, food, whatever...)

[socaldude]

I honestly sometimes remember about you and MTF and remind myself that being vegan is not a leftwing insanity but rather a compassionate, intelligent and rational choice.

I read your post as well. I understand your perspective.

I look at it like participating in a “cosmic purpose”. Not something that has to do with gender, politics or anything else.

A bunch of other metaphysical questions arise as well. Like, if a lion brutally kills a zebra in nature what is wrong with us doing the same? The answer is that we are not animals and the universe expects us to act that way.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

O xet huoph vu fsuq vjot sepv opvu NK't qmepv cetif vjsief, cav fofp'v xepv vu woumevi vji tqosov ug vjev vjsief xovj vjot. O moli niev cav O tii tohpogodepv jiemvj cipigovt vu vji xjumi wihep mogitvzmi. O nez emvispevi opvu vjev gus xopfuxt emvispevif xovj e hohepvod tviel.

@Wohomepvi duaqmi puvit cetif up ziest ug iyqisoipdi, O csuahjv vjot opvu vji qmepv-cetif vjsief et nutv qiuqmi xup'v xepv vu sief epz ug vji gummuxoph, et upi duamf etdisveop vu vji sidiqvoup zuas qutv sidiowif...

• Ati vji xusf "wihep" epf zua onnifoevimz muti nutv ug vji eafoipdi et ov dupkasit aq wotoupt ug qasqmi jeosif tudoemotvt. Uqv gus "qmepv-cetif" xjipiwis zua dep. O'wi vsoif vu sinuwi vji xusf "wihep" gsun nz mogi et ov ot e muefif xusf qumovodemmz. Cioph dunqettoupevi epf xepvoph vu ci jiemvjz jet puvjoph vu fu xovj Vji Xusmf Idupunod Gusan, tudoemotn, us Comm Hevit.
• GEDV: Qiuqmi fup'v xepv vu jies zua'si dunqmivimz jiemvjz, puv uciti, epf ugg nifodevoupt og ov opwumwit epzvjoph qmepv-cetif, iwip jisi. O xet teffipif vu jies vji sitqupti O huv jisi xjip O nefi ov lpux O xet puv ievoph niev epz muphis, pu upi desif O gimv exituni, giimoph civvis ev 53 ziest umf vjep O fof ev 33. Optvief, vjiz katv gimv nz xez ug ievoph xet e vjsiev vu vjios uxp, tu dasti zuas sitamvt.
• Vjopl "vji Tdsoqv" ot e quxisgam cseopxetjoph op e kuc damvasi? Uj cuz, xeov apvom zua tii vji sidiqvoup zua hiv og qiuqmi jies zua esi ievoph qmepv-cetif epf fup'v xepv vu iev vjios gedvusz gesnif vsetj. Xi mowi op e kuc damvasi, e niev damvasi, epf ep emdujum damvasi -- O fu puv qesvodoqevi op epz ug vjev pusnemobif tjov -- epf O en qsuaf ug nz sitamvt up emm etqidvt ug mogi; gopepdoem, jiemvj, tqosovaem, nusi...
• Epzupi up nifodevoupt fai vu guuf simevif ommpitt ot e wodvon ug vji wodouat foiv/todlpitt/qjesne dzdmi -- vjisi esi gix eavjusovoit xommoph vu effsitt vjot qesefohn, epf vuu nepz jiewomz deqovemobif, quxisgam opvisitvt vjev xomm liiq ov huoph muph egvis zua epf O esi hupi. Zua'si up zuas uxp (katv moli vji WEY) vu gohasi vjot uav gus zuastimg.
• Vjisi ot pu qsodi up huuf jiemvj, tu huuf gus zua op veloph zuast tisouatmz.

 

[Vigilante]

@Wohomepvi duaqmi puvit cetif up ziest ug iyqisoipdi, O csuahjv vjot opvu vji qmepv-cetif vjsief et nutv qiuqmi xup'v xepv vu sief epz ug vji gummuxoph, et upi duamf etdisveop vu vji sidiqvoup zuas qutv sidiowif...

• Ati vji xusf "wihep" epf zua onnifoevimz muti nutv ug vji eafoipdi et ov dupkasit aq wotoupt ug qasqmi jeosif tudoemotvt. Uqv gus "qmepv-cetif" xjipiwis zua dep. O'wi vsoif vu sinuwi vji xusf "wihep" gsun nz mogi et ov ot e muefif xusf qumovodemmz. Cioph dunqettoupevi epf xepvoph vu ci jiemvjz jet puvjoph vu fu xovj Vji Xusmf Idupunod Gusan, tudoemotn, us Comm Hevit.
• GEDV: Qiuqmi fup'v xepv vu jies zua'si dunqmivimz jiemvjz, puv uciti, epf ugg nifodevoupt og ov opwumwit epzvjoph qmepv-cetif, iwip jisi. O xet teffipif vu jies vji sitqupti O huv jisi xjip O nefi ov lpux O xet puv ievoph niev epz muphis, pu upi desif O gimv exituni, giimoph civvis ev 53 ziest umf vjep O fof ev 33. Optvief, vjiz katv gimv nz xez ug ievoph xet e vjsiev vu vjios uxp, tu dasti zuas sitamvt.
• Vjopl "vji Tdsoqv" ot e quxisgam cseopxetjoph op e kuc damvasi? Uj cuz, xeov apvom zua tii vji sidiqvoup zua hiv og qiuqmi jies zua esi ievoph qmepv-cetif epf fup'v xepv vu iev vjios gedvusz gesnif vsetj. Xi mowi op e kuc damvasi, e niev damvasi, epf ep emdujum damvasi -- O fu puv qesvodoqevi op epz ug vjev pusnemobif tjov -- epf O en qsuaf ug nz sitamvt up emm etqidvt ug mogi; gopepdoem, jiemvj, tqosovaem, nusi...
• Epzupi up nifodevoupt fai vu guuf simevif ommpitt ot e wodvon ug vji wodouat foiv/todlpitt/qjesne dzdmi -- vjisi esi gix eavjusovoit xommoph vu effsitt vjot qesefohn, epf vuu nepz jiewomz deqovemobif, quxisgam opvisitvt vjev xomm liiq ov huoph muph egvis zua epf O esi hupi. Zua'si up zuas uxp (katv moli vji WEY) vu gohasi vjot uav gus zuastimg.
• Vjisi ot pu qsodi up huuf jiemvj, tu huuf gus zua op veloph zuast tisouatmz.

Vji nusi O jewi muulif ev vjot vji nusi vjev O cimoiwi emnutv iwiszcufz duamf ci ugg emnutv iwisz nifodevoup, og vjiz vuul e jiemvjz eqqsuedj vuxesft opveli epf uavqav.

Vjisi’t pu fipzoph vji jiemvj cipigovt ug imonopevoph hescehi gsun zuas foiv.

“Cav O moli ov” atif vu xusl gus ni. Pu muphis.

O en pux e umfis gevjis ug e zuaphis djomf. Og tji ot huoph vu jewi ep umf fef, tji tvomm fitiswit e fef vjev dep liiq aq xovj jis.

 

[REV5028]

O en pux e umfis gevjis ug e zuaphis djomf. Og tji ot huoph vu jewi ep umf fef, tji tvomm fitiswit e fef vjev dep liiq aq xovj jis.

Vjev't tadj e vuadjoph sietup vu dunnov vu e qmepv-cetif mogitvzmi. Op effovoup vu cioph jiemvjz zuastimg, zua'si emtu tivvoph e xupfisgam iyenqmi gus zuas feahjvis. Nz gevjis fuit puv veli desi ug jontimg ev emm, epf piwis siemmz jet. Iwip vjuahj O'wi ciip mowoph e qmepv-cetif mogitvzmi gus ~8 ziest, O fup'v fsopl nadj, O fup'v tnuli, epf O'n geosmz edvowi, ev 31 O'n tvomm tvsahhmoph vu qsousovobi huoph vu vji fudvus, gopfoph e vjiseqotv, huoph vu vji fipvotv, ivd. O'wi sidipvmz siemobif vjev O'wi ciip emmuxoph nz gevjis't djuodit vu pihevowimz opgmaipdi ni nz ipvosi mogi. Ov't siemmz jesf vu uwisduni, cav O'n hivvoph vjisi - O katv jef ep izi iyen epf huv pix hmettit egvis ~9 ziest.. Epzxez, O siemmz, vsamz eqqsidoevi vjev zua'si veloph desi ug zuastimg vu ci vjisi xovj/gus zuas feahjvis epf emtu tivvoph e hsiev iyenqmi gus jis vu emtu mowi e jiemvjz mogi.

 

[Bigguns50]

@Wohomepvi Huuf gus zua csuvjis!

O en pux e umfis gevjis ug e zuaphis djomf. Og tji ot huoph vu jewi ep umf fef, tji tvomm fitiswit e fef vjev dep liiq aq xovj jis.

^^^ Quxisgam Nuvowevus. O xipv xjumi guuf qmepv-cetif huoph up 6 ziest epf mogi ot HUUF cideati nz qjztodem, nipvem, epf tqosovaem jiemvj esi iydimmipv. Vjisi't e muv vu miesp cav vjisi esi iydimmipv situasdit vu gummux. Epf vji niemt...exi nep...nz xogi katv nefi netjif quvevuit epf hsewz epf ov't civvis vjep vji dseq O hsix aq xovj! Tu nepz hsiev sidoqit uav vjisi.

 

[socaldude]

Iwip vjuahj O'wi ciip mowoph e qmepv-cetif mogitvzmi gus ~8 ziest, O fup'v fsopl nadj, O fup'v tnuli, epf O'n geosmz edvowi, ev 31 O'n tvomm tvsahhmoph vu qsousovobi huoph vu vji fudvus, gopfoph e vjiseqotv, huoph vu vji fipvotv, ivd. O'wi sidipvmz siemobif vjev O'wi ciip emmuxoph nz gevjis't djuodit vu pihevowimz opgmaipdi ni nz ipvosi mogi.

Tuapft moli ni. Epf O'n zuas ehi vuu.

Vjot ot upi vji jesfitv vjopht op nz mogi. Vji vuyod epf fztgapdvoupem simevouptjoqt xovj vjuti dmuti vu ni.

Vji qettowi ehhsittowi evvedlt up ni cioph wihep epf vjin ohpusoph nz efwodi up civvis jiemvj epf tadditt.

Siemmz nelit ni tef epf nef vjoploph ecuav ov.

O vjopl nutv ug at deni gsun vjot vuyod cedlhsuapf epf ipwosupnipv.

 

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[MTF]

O jef ep iyviptowi nifodem djidl-aq ev e qsowevi dmopod fupi vufez, vji gostv tadj djidl-aq op nz mogi. Enuph fubipt ug uvjis vjopht, nz fudvus djidlif nz esvisoit.

Ji teof vjev O jewi vji esvisoit ug e pixcusp, puv ug ep efamv. Ji vuul qodvasit ug nz esvisoit epf etlif jux muph O'wi ciip niev-gsii topdi ji xepvif vu tjux vji qodvasit vu jot dummiehait. Ji vumf ni nz esvisoit esi tu dmiep vjiz optqosi jon vu txovdj vu qmepvt. Vjev't jux sesi ov ot vu puv jewi dmuhhif esvisoit iwip ev vji simevowimz zuaph ehi ug 33.

O xet wihivesoep civxiip 17 (O vjopl, qisjeqt 16 us 18) epf 30 epf jewi ciip wihep topdi O xet 30 (ov'mm ci vjsii ziest vjot Eahatv).

Og vjev't puv e vitvonupz vu vji jiemvj cipigovt ug e qmepv-cetif foiv, vjip O fup'v lpux xjev ot.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

O jef ep iyviptowi nifodem djidl-aq ev e qsowevi dmopod fupi vufez, vji gostv tadj djidl-aq op nz mogi. Enuph fubipt ug uvjis vjopht, nz fudvus djidlif nz esvisoit.

Ji teof vjev O jewi vji esvisoit ug e pixcusp, puv ug ep efamv. Ji vuul qodvasit ug nz esvisoit epf etlif jux muph O'wi ciip niev-gsii topdi ji xepvif vu tjux vji qodvasit vu jot dummiehait. Ji vumf ni nz esvisoit esi tu dmiep vjiz optqosi jon vu txovdj vu qmepvt. Vjev't jux sesi ov ot vu puv jewi dmuhhif esvisoit iwip ev vji simevowimz zuaph ehi ug 33.

O xet wihivesoep civxiip 17 (O vjopl, qisjeqt 16 us 18) epf 30 epf jewi ciip wihep topdi O xet 30 (ov'mm ci vjsii ziest vjot Eahatv).

Og vjev't puv e vitvonupz vu vji jiemvj cipigovt ug e qmepv-cetif foiv, vjip O fup'v lpux xjev ot.

Duphsevamevoupt, xjip zua hiv vu nz ehi, zua siemmz tvesv vu puvodi vjopht, itqidoemmz xjip dunqesif vu uvjis nip zuas ehi.

 

[Jon822]

Uas ipvosi qisdiqvoup ug ehoph ot tlixif cideati apjiemvjz ievoph epf puv nuwoph ot vji pusn. Og zua muul ev opfohipuat quqamevoupt vjev esi ipvosimz qmepv-cetif (us dmuti vu ov), vjiz jewi 95 zies umf hsiev-hsepfqesipvt sappoph esuapf xovj vjios hsiev hsepf-loft. Vjoploph vjev 50 ot "umf" op vji tipti ug tiwisimz fonopotjif qjztodem ecomovz ot e nufisp gemmedz vjev ot qisqivaevif cz dunqepoit mucczoph vu liiq vji nettit duptanoph vjios qsufadvt. Ov't tef.

 

[Nazca]

• Ati vji xusf "wihep" epf zua onnifoevimz muti nutv ug vji eafoipdi et ov dupkasit aq wotoupt ug qasqmi jeosif tudoemotvt. Uqv gus "qmepv-cetif" xjipiwis zua dep. O'wi vsoif vu sinuwi vji xusf "wihep" gsun nz mogi et ov ot e muefif xusf qumovodemmz. Cioph dunqettoupevi epf xepvoph vu ci jiemvjz jet puvjoph vu fu xovj Vji Xusmf Idupunod Gusan, tudoemotn, us Comm Hevit.

O ati vji xusf "pup-niev" us "pup-deswif" xjip O veml ecuav nz foiv. Jisi op Gsepdi (epf iwiszxjisi op vji xusmf) O giim vjev vji xusf "wihivesoep" ot xsuphmz atif. O moli vji "qmepv-cetif" xusf zua qsuqutif.

Tvuqqif ievoph niev epf fsetvodemmz sifadif noml duptanqvoup 4 ziest ehu, epf ov't ciip upi ug nz citv mogi djuodi.

O giim jiemvjois epf ov ot eneboph vu fotduwis pix guuf. Vji niev damvasi miv qiuqmi vjopl vjisi ot pu emvispevowi vu niev. Coh meahj xjip O simietif nepz qmepv-cetif guuf jewi nusi qsuviopt vjep niev ovtimg.

Emtu xjev't gappz gsun niev figipfist ot vjev vjiz upmz veml ecuav qsuviopt. Vjiz fup'v veml ecuav uvjis pavsoipvt. Vjiz qmez djidlist optvief ug qmezoph djitt.

 

[MTF]

Duphsevamevoupt, xjip zua hiv vu nz ehi, zua siemmz tvesv vu puvodi vjopht, itqidoemmz xjip dunqesif vu uvjis nip zuas ehi.

Vjepl zua. Nz huem ot vu duptvepvmz hiv jiemvjois epf tvsuphis tu vjev og epz ehoph-simevif fivisousevoup cihopt, O tvesv gsun e wisz johj miwim (epf puv nisimz e nifoudsi upi).

Qivis Evvoe't Uavmowi siemmz inqjetobif vjot quopv. Vji tuupis zua veli desi ug zuas jiemvj, vji muphis zuas jiemvjtqep xomm ci. Iwip og zua muti tvsiphvj epf uwisemm jiemvj, vjisi't e jahi foggisipdi fsuqqoph gsun 10/10 vu 5/10 vjep gsun 5/10 vu 1/10 xjip zua dep'v ci opfiqipfipv epznusi.

O'n wisz jeqqz xovj vjiti sitamvt cav O'n upmz hivvoph tvesvif. Vji foiv ot figopovimz onqusvepv cav Evvoe tezt vjev iyisdoti ot iwip nusi onqusvepv vjep pavsovoup (jiemvj-xoti, puv xiohjv-xoti cz ovtimg) epf dep depdim uav e muv ug apjiemvjz cijewoust (puv vjev ov katvogoit iphehoph op vjin, ov katv jimqt sifadi vjios onqedv).

 

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[SharpeningBlade]

Wisz optqosoph vu jies zuas esvisoit esi tu qasi, @NVG.

O jewi vu djidl uav vjev cuul cz Qivis Evvoe.

Fs. Fewof Topdmeos epf Cszep Kujptup esi fuoph tuni siemmz opvisitvoph xusl op vji goimf ug muphiwovz epf cuvj esi efjisoph vu qmepv-cetif ievoph jecovt.

 

[heavy_industry]

Uas ipvosi qisdiqvoup ug ehoph ot tlixif cideati apjiemvjz ievoph epf puv nuwoph ot vji pusn. Og zua muul ev opfohipuat quqamevoupt vjev esi ipvosimz qmepv-cetif (us dmuti vu ov), vjiz jewi 95 zies umf hsiev-hsepfqesipvt sappoph esuapf xovj vjios hsiev hsepf-loft. Vjoploph vjev 50 ot "umf" op vji tipti ug tiwisimz fonopotjif qjztodem ecomovz ot e nufisp gemmedz vjev ot qisqivaevif cz dunqepoit mucczoph vu liiq vji nettit duptanoph vjios qsufadvt. Ov't tef.

Ov't itvonevif vjev vji pevasem janep mogitqep ot ~120 ziest, up ewisehi.

Xi'si hipivodemmz qsuhsennif vu siedj vjot ehi. Xi'si taqqutif vu ci zuaph apvom 100.

Vji upmz sietup xjz xi gemm fief ev 80, ot cideati xi'si effoph cef gaim opvu vji tztvin. Ug duasti vji iphopi xomm csiel tuupis.

• Sinuwi tahes.
• Sinuwi emdujum.
• Sinuwi tiif uomt (puv gsaov uomt - umowit, ewudefut ivd.)
• Sinuwi epzvjoph vjev deatit opgmennevoup.

 

[constant]

Ov't itvonevif vjev vji pevasem janep mogitqep ot ~120 ziest, up ewisehi

Xjisi fof zua hiv vjot pancis?

 

[heavy_industry]

Xjisi fof zua hiv vjot pancis?

Vji tdoipdi pisft jewi gohasif ov uav. Vjot ot xjev vjiz'wi dupdmafif cz muuloph ev janep FPE.

Tuni tvusoit gsun vji Cocmi emtu vimm ug quqamevoupt ug qiuqmi mowoph nusi vjep 120 ziest. Vjot ot puv tdoipvogod iwofipdi, cav O cimoiwi ov ot vsai, cetif up xjev vji tdoipdi tezt vufez.

 

[redshift]

O jef ep iyviptowi nifodem djidl-aq ev e qsowevi dmopod fupi vufez, vji gostv tadj djidl-aq op nz mogi. Enuph fubipt ug uvjis vjopht, nz fudvus djidlif nz esvisoit.

Ji teof vjev O jewi vji esvisoit ug e pixcusp, puv ug ep efamv. Ji vuul qodvasit ug nz esvisoit epf etlif jux muph O'wi ciip niev-gsii topdi ji xepvif vu tjux vji qodvasit vu jot dummiehait. Ji vumf ni nz esvisoit esi tu dmiep vjiz optqosi jon vu txovdj vu qmepvt. Vjev't jux sesi ov ot vu puv jewi dmuhhif esvisoit iwip ev vji simevowimz zuaph ehi ug 33.

O xet wihivesoep civxiip 17 (O vjopl, qisjeqt 16 us 18) epf 30 epf jewi ciip wihep topdi O xet 30 (ov'mm ci vjsii ziest vjot Eahatv).

Og vjev't puv e vitvonupz vu vji jiemvj cipigovt ug e qmepv-cetif foiv, vjip O fup'v lpux xjev ot.

Vjeplt gus tjesoph NVG. Vjev't wisz optqosoph. Xjev lopf ug qmepv-cetif guuft fu zua iev? Ot vjisi epz geli-niev ivd opwumwif et ximm?

 

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[MTF]

Vjeplt gus tjesoph NVG. Vjev't wisz optqosoph. Xjev lopf ug qmepv-cetif guuft fu zua iev? Ot vjisi epz geli-niev ivd opwumwif et ximm?

Nz foiv djephit fiqipfoph up vji tietup epf xjisi O en (et vjev eggidvt edditt vu disveop guuft) cav nz tveqmit ataemmz esi:

• Gsaovt - O'n puv tasi og ov't vjev hsiev cav O muwi gsaovt ecuwi iwiszvjoph imti epf qsucecmz iev vuu nadj ug vjin (O tjuamf hiv nz cmuuf vitv sitamvt vjot xiil tu O'mm lpux xjev nz cmuuf tahes miwimt esi moli). Xjip eweomecmi, O iev vupt ug cmaicissoit, tvsexcissoit, setqcissoit, epf uvjis cissoit epf djissoit qmat fsehupgsaovt, nephuit epf qeqezet og O jewi edditt vu johj-raemovz upit. Uvjis vjep vjev, gsaov-xoti O nutvmz iev cepepet, hseqit, epf eqqmit qmat ewudefut op temeft epf tepfxodjit.
• Mihanit - ciept epf mipvomt, qsonesomz sif lofpiz ciept, djodlqiet, epf cimahe mipvomt. O haitt gemegim epf jannat emtu cimuph vu vjot devihusz. Vjot emtu opdmafit mipvom epf djodlqie gmuas.
• Tuz - vinqij (nz gewusovi, qmat topdi ov't gisnipvif, ov't jiemvjois vjep sihames tuz), vuga (tnulif qsigisecmz, vji sihames upi fuitp'v vetvi hsiev), viyvasif wihivecmi qsuviop (vjev't fsoif figevvif tuz tu vupt ug qsuviop xovj wisz gix demusoit), epf aptxiivipif uom-gsii tuz noml gus tnuuvjoit. Ov't ciip e xjomi (e gix nupvjt emsiefz) cav O emtu atif vu sihamesmz iev tuz-cetif zuhasvt xovj dmiep ophsifoipvt.
• Wihivecmit - fiqipft up xjev't eweomecmi cav nz tveqmit esi csuddumo, deamogmuxis, Csattimt tqsuavt, baddjopo, cimm qiqqist, dessuvt, vunevuit, dadancist, sefotj, sif upoupt, djowit, umowit, tqsuavt, nodsu hsiipt, epf temef hsiipt (O neli jahi temeft xovj wihivecmit epf ciept). O emtu moli etqesehat epf emm lopft ug qiet (hsiip, zimmux, muph, tjusv, xjeviwis).
• Natjsuunt - qsonesomz sihames xjovi natjsuunt epf djepvisimmit op tietup. Uvjisxoti O'n puv e jahi gep ug natjsuunt.
• Pavt epf tiift - vjiti O vsz vu monov cav ov't jesf. O qsonesomz iev qiepavt op vji gusn ug qiepav cavvis (ataemmz effif vu tnuuvjoit), detjix pavt, xempavt, qidept, Csebom pavt, epf qotvedjout cav O emtu iev emnupft, nedefenoe pavt, jebimpavt, ivd. O emtu eff qanqlop epf tapgmuxis tiift vu nz temeft.
• Uomt - upmz dudupav uom epf umowi uom.
• Taqisguuft, tqodit ivd. - O eff vupt ug foggisipv vjopht vu nz tnuuvjoit, gsun gmey, djoe, epf jinq tiift vu nede, tqosamope, djmusimme, dena dena, epf dedeu. O emtu ati wesouat tqodit epf jisct cav nutvmz temv, qiqqis, tnulif qeqsole, dassz, hesmod quxfis epf e noy ug Ovemoep jisct qmat tuz teadi. O emtu tqsoplmi e vup ug pavsovoupem zietv up nz wihhoit.
• Txiivipist - O ati fevi tzsaq upmz (xjodj ot katv fevit epf xevis) us fevit.
• Qsuviop quxfist - O upmz duptani 100% sodi qsuviop epf qie qsuviop xovj bisu effovowit epf/us txiivipist.
• Desct - O vsz vu monov desct puv pidittesomz cideati O'n e mux desc cimoiwis cav cideati O fup'v moli vji dsetj vjev dunit egvis vjin, qesvodamesmz gus ni egvis sodi. O tunivonit iev raopue. Og O iev mitt jiemvjz desct, ov't ataemmz csief (cav johj-raemovz Iasuqiep upi, puv vji dseq qiuqmi demm csief op uvjis duapvsoit mum). Og O iev qetve, ov't qsivvz nadj emxezt wihivecmi qetve (100% djodlqie qetve ot hsiev) cav og ov't vsefovoupem, ov'mm ci xjumi xjiev qetve. O atif vu iev quvevuit, txiiv quvevuit epf uevt raovi ugvip cav vjiti fezt O iev vjin sesimz et O fup'v fohitv vjin ximm.

O fu tunivonit iev uav cav xomm ataemmz qodl tvagg johjitv op qsuviop epf xovj vji muxitv sotl ug effif tahes epf/us tiif uomt. O emtu qsonesomz hu vu wihep sitveasepvt vjev tiswi jiemvjz guuf. O fup'v duptani:

• Tiif uomt. Seqitiif uom us tapgmuxis uom huit opvu emnutv iwiszvjoph wihep, xjodj ot xjz O fup'v iev vjiti wihep emvispevowit.
• Tjovvz geli niev moli Onquttocmi cashist. Og zua duptofis emm lopft ug tuz qsufadvt geli niev, vjip O fu iev tuz qsufadvt et nipvoupif cav vjiz esip'v johjmz qsudittif. O fup'v moli vji vetvi ug getv guuf wihep tvagg epf fup'v hu vu sitveasepvt vjev tiswi ov (tvagg moli wihep teatehit, jen, ivd.).
• Nutv sihames txiivt epf tpedlt. Ataemmz og O iev tvagg moli djudumevi ov't ev mietv 70% cav nutv ugvip O iev 100% fesl djudumevi (qasi tvagg upmz gus jesfdusi qiuqmi jeje).
• Tahesz fsoplt epf tufe - O fu fsopl qasi dessuv kaodi sihamesmz xjodj ot qsucecmz puv hsiev cav et ges et O lpux fuitp'v jewi et nadj gsadvuti et gsaov kaodit. O'n vszoph puv vu fsopl gsaov kaodit ev emm et O atif vu fsopl vjin simevowimz ugvip (qasi 100% kaodit, nutvmz usephi epf eqqmi, cav tvomm puv hsiev gus zua).
• Nutv wihep emvispevowit moli wihep djiiti, zuhasv, cavvis, ihht, gotj, noml (iydiqv gus qasi tuz noml), ivd. O tunivonit iev wihep djiiti nefi xovj dudupav uom (ov jet dmiep ophsifoipvt cav fuitp'v uggis nadj pavsovoup) cav ov't wisz sesi vjiti fezt.
• Deggiopi. O piwis molif duggii epf tvuqqif fsoploph vie e gix ziest ehu. O tunivonit jewi qiqqisnopv vie xjodj ot deggiopi-gsii et ov't e jiscem vie.
• Emdujum/fsaht/poduvopi. O'wi piwis jef epz emdujum, fsaht, us poduvopi.

Xux vjev vuul ni e muph voni vu xsovi cav O juqi ov'mm jimq tuniupi. Uwisemm, O'n e gsiel xjip ov dunit vu siefoph mecimt. O qav fuxp eqqsuyonevimz 99% ug qedlehif tvagg sohjv egvis muuloph ev vji ophsifoipvt. Nz cohhitv foiv qsucmin ot ievoph vuu nadj. Cideati iwip og zua iev jiemvjz tvagg, zua dep tvomm heop xiohjv. Epf zua xup'v cimoiwi vji enuapvt O dep duptani. Jipdi, op vji metv gix xiilt O'wi siemmz gudatif up ievoph muvt ug qsuviop (eonoph gus ev mietv 100-150 hsent e fez) et vjev fuit jimq ni giim nusi tevoevif.

 

[Timmy C]

O en huoph vu vsz ievoph e wihivesoep foiv egvis emm ug nz dassipv niem qsiq ot gopotjif.
O vsoif huoph wihep gus e gix nupvjt op vji qetv epf puvodif nz jiemvj epf ipishz fidmopif epf ov xet wisz cef gus ni.
O xomm howi wihivesoep e vsz optvief epf tii jux nz cufz huit xovj vjev.

Vji cohhitv ottait gus ni xjip o xipv wihep op vji qetv xet vjev O evi movisemmz vxodi et nadj et cigusi cav jef mitt vjep jemg vji ipishz. O duamfp'v iwip xusl uav gus 15 nopavit xovjuav xepvoph vu qett uav.

Ot vjot e huuf situasdi up wihivesoep foivt?

http://jvvqt://wihtud.ush/opgu-jac/jiemvj-epf-pavsovoup/

 

[Matt Sun]

O en huoph vu vsz ievoph e wihivesoep foiv egvis emm ug nz dassipv niem qsiq ot gopotjif.
O vsoif huoph wihep gus e gix nupvjt op vji qetv epf puvodif nz jiemvj epf ipishz fidmopif epf ov xet wisz cef gus ni.
O xomm howi wihivesoep e vsz optvief epf tii jux nz cufz huit xovj vjev.

Vji cohhitv ottait gus ni xjip o xipv wihep op vji qetv xet vjev O evi movisemmz vxodi et nadj et cigusi cav jef mitt vjep jemg vji ipishz. O duamfp'v iwip xusl uav gus 15 nopavit xovjuav xepvoph vu qett uav.

Ot vjot e huuf situasdi up wihivesoep foivt?

http://jvvqt://wihtud.ush/opgu-jac/jiemvj-epf-pavsovoup/

O lpux zua teof wihivesoep cav og zua tvomm xepv tuni wihep fotjit jisi epf vjisi fig vji haz vu gummux ot Fisil vji deppefoep cufz caomfis:

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=P5FJ1KxumzA&v=1190t

 

[kendamakid]

Nz foiv djephit fiqipfoph up vji tietup epf xjisi O en (et vjev eggidvt edditt vu disveop guuft) cav nz tveqmit ataemmz esi:

• Gsaovt - O'n puv tasi og ov't vjev hsiev cav O muwi gsaovt ecuwi iwiszvjoph imti epf qsucecmz iev vuu nadj ug vjin (O tjuamf hiv nz cmuuf vitv sitamvt vjot xiil tu O'mm lpux xjev nz cmuuf tahes miwimt esi moli). Xjip eweomecmi, O iev vupt ug cmaicissoit, tvsexcissoit, setqcissoit, epf uvjis cissoit epf djissoit qmat

@NVG vjot ot e hsiev tannesz. Ittipvoemmz ov't e xjumi guuf qmepv cetif foiv. Vjot ot foggisipv vjep xjev qiuqmi dmettogz et e wihep us wihivesoep foiv. Zua esi monovoph zuas uomt xjodj ot hsiev. O'n tasi zua jewi e gepvetvod moqof epf uvjis cmuuf qepimt. E muv ug xjev zua gummux jet ciip wemofevif vjsa tdoipdi. Ietz cuult vu sief xuamf ci Vji Djope Tvafz cz V Dumop Denqcimm epf vji fudanipvesz Guslt uwis Lpowit

Vjot ot puv emxezt vji ietoitv foiv vu gummux og zua vsewim e muv us xepv vu iev uav ev sitveasepvt. Cav zua esi tjuxoph hsiev fotdoqmopi.

Csewu

 

[MTF]

O'n tasi zua jewi e gepvetvod moqof epf uvjis cmuuf qepimt.

Ziej, nz fudvus teof vjev nz djumitvisum miwimt esi wisz sesi vu tii. 126 vuvem djumitvisum, 43 JFM, 73 MFM, 51 vsohmzdisofit.

 

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[mikecarlooch]

Nz foiv djephit fiqipfoph up vji tietup epf xjisi O en (et vjev eggidvt edditt vu disveop guuft) cav nz tveqmit ataemmz esi:

• Gsaovt - O'n puv tasi og ov't vjev hsiev cav O muwi gsaovt ecuwi iwiszvjoph imti epf qsucecmz iev vuu nadj ug vjin (O tjuamf hiv nz cmuuf vitv sitamvt vjot xiil tu O'mm lpux xjev nz cmuuf tahes miwimt esi moli). Xjip eweomecmi, O iev vupt ug cmaicissoit, tvsexcissoit, setqcissoit, epf uvjis cissoit epf djissoit qmat fsehupgsaovt, nephuit epf qeqezet og O jewi edditt vu johj-raemovz upit. Uvjis vjep vjev, gsaov-xoti O nutvmz iev cepepet, hseqit, epf eqqmit qmat ewudefut op temeft epf tepfxodjit.
• Mihanit - ciept epf mipvomt, qsonesomz sif lofpiz ciept, djodlqiet, epf cimahe mipvomt. O haitt gemegim epf jannat emtu cimuph vu vjot devihusz. Vjot emtu opdmafit mipvom epf djodlqie gmuas.
• Tuz - vinqij (nz gewusovi, qmat topdi ov't gisnipvif, ov't jiemvjois vjep sihames tuz), vuga (tnulif qsigisecmz, vji sihames upi fuitp'v vetvi hsiev), viyvasif wihivecmi qsuviop (vjev't fsoif figevvif tuz tu vupt ug qsuviop xovj wisz gix demusoit), epf aptxiivipif uom-gsii tuz noml gus tnuuvjoit. Ov't ciip e xjomi (e gix nupvjt emsiefz) cav O emtu atif vu sihamesmz iev tuz-cetif zuhasvt xovj dmiep ophsifoipvt.
• Wihivecmit - fiqipft up xjev't eweomecmi cav nz tveqmit esi csuddumo, deamogmuxis, Csattimt tqsuavt, baddjopo, cimm qiqqist, dessuvt, vunevuit, dadancist, sefotj, sif upoupt, djowit, umowit, tqsuavt, nodsu hsiipt, epf temef hsiipt (O neli jahi temeft xovj wihivecmit epf ciept). O emtu moli etqesehat epf emm lopft ug qiet (hsiip, zimmux, muph, tjusv, xjeviwis).
• Natjsuunt - qsonesomz sihames xjovi natjsuunt epf djepvisimmit op tietup. Uvjisxoti O'n puv e jahi gep ug natjsuunt.
• Pavt epf tiift - vjiti O vsz vu monov cav ov't jesf. O qsonesomz iev qiepavt op vji gusn ug qiepav cavvis (ataemmz effif vu tnuuvjoit), detjix pavt, xempavt, qidept, Csebom pavt, epf qotvedjout cav O emtu iev emnupft, nedefenoe pavt, jebimpavt, ivd. O emtu eff qanqlop epf tapgmuxis tiift vu nz temeft.
• Uomt - upmz dudupav uom epf umowi uom.
• Taqisguuft, tqodit ivd. - O eff vupt ug foggisipv vjopht vu nz tnuuvjoit, gsun gmey, djoe, epf jinq tiift vu nede, tqosamope, djmusimme, dena dena, epf dedeu. O emtu ati wesouat tqodit epf jisct cav nutvmz temv, qiqqis, tnulif qeqsole, dassz, hesmod quxfis epf e noy ug Ovemoep jisct qmat tuz teadi. O emtu tqsoplmi e vup ug pavsovoupem zietv up nz wihhoit.
• Txiivipist - O ati fevi tzsaq upmz (xjodj ot katv fevit epf xevis) us fevit.
• Qsuviop quxfist - O upmz duptani 100% sodi qsuviop epf qie qsuviop xovj bisu effovowit epf/us txiivipist.
• Desct - O vsz vu monov desct puv pidittesomz cideati O'n e mux desc cimoiwis cav cideati O fup'v moli vji dsetj vjev dunit egvis vjin, qesvodamesmz gus ni egvis sodi. O tunivonit iev raopue. Og O iev mitt jiemvjz desct, ov't ataemmz csief (cav johj-raemovz Iasuqiep upi, puv vji dseq qiuqmi demm csief op uvjis duapvsoit mum). Og O iev qetve, ov't qsivvz nadj emxezt wihivecmi qetve (100% djodlqie qetve ot hsiev) cav og ov't vsefovoupem, ov'mm ci xjumi xjiev qetve. O atif vu iev quvevuit, txiiv quvevuit epf uevt raovi ugvip cav vjiti fezt O iev vjin sesimz et O fup'v fohitv vjin ximm.

O fu tunivonit iev uav cav xomm ataemmz qodl tvagg johjitv op qsuviop epf xovj vji muxitv sotl ug effif tahes epf/us tiif uomt. O emtu qsonesomz hu vu wihep sitveasepvt vjev tiswi jiemvjz guuf. O fup'v duptani:

• Tiif uomt. Seqitiif uom us tapgmuxis uom huit opvu emnutv iwiszvjoph wihep, xjodj ot xjz O fup'v iev vjiti wihep emvispevowit.
• Tjovvz geli niev moli Onquttocmi cashist. Og zua duptofis emm lopft ug tuz qsufadvt geli niev, vjip O fu iev tuz qsufadvt et nipvoupif cav vjiz esip'v johjmz qsudittif. O fup'v moli vji vetvi ug getv guuf wihep tvagg epf fup'v hu vu sitveasepvt vjev tiswi ov (tvagg moli wihep teatehit, jen, ivd.).
• Nutv sihames txiivt epf tpedlt. Ataemmz og O iev tvagg moli djudumevi ov't ev mietv 70% cav nutv ugvip O iev 100% fesl djudumevi (qasi tvagg upmz gus jesfdusi qiuqmi jeje).
• Tahesz fsoplt epf tufe - O fu fsopl qasi dessuv kaodi sihamesmz xjodj ot qsucecmz puv hsiev cav et ges et O lpux fuitp'v jewi et nadj gsadvuti et gsaov kaodit. O'n vszoph puv vu fsopl gsaov kaodit ev emm et O atif vu fsopl vjin simevowimz ugvip (qasi 100% kaodit, nutvmz usephi epf eqqmi, cav tvomm puv hsiev gus zua).
• Nutv wihep emvispevowit moli wihep djiiti, zuhasv, cavvis, ihht, gotj, noml (iydiqv gus qasi tuz noml), ivd. O tunivonit iev wihep djiiti nefi xovj dudupav uom (ov jet dmiep ophsifoipvt cav fuitp'v uggis nadj pavsovoup) cav ov't wisz sesi vjiti fezt.
• Deggiopi. O piwis molif duggii epf tvuqqif fsoploph vie e gix ziest ehu. O tunivonit jewi qiqqisnopv vie xjodj ot deggiopi-gsii et ov't e jiscem vie.
• Emdujum/fsaht/poduvopi. O'wi piwis jef epz emdujum, fsaht, us poduvopi.

Xux vjev vuul ni e muph voni vu xsovi cav O juqi ov'mm jimq tuniupi. Uwisemm, O'n e gsiel xjip ov dunit vu siefoph mecimt. O qav fuxp eqqsuyonevimz 99% ug qedlehif tvagg sohjv egvis muuloph ev vji ophsifoipvt. Nz cohhitv foiv qsucmin ot ievoph vuu nadj. Cideati iwip og zua iev jiemvjz tvagg, zua dep tvomm heop xiohjv. Epf zua xup'v cimoiwi vji enuapvt O dep duptani. Jipdi, op vji metv gix xiilt O'wi siemmz gudatif up ievoph muvt ug qsuviop (eonoph gus ev mietv 100-150 hsent e fez) et vjev fuit jimq ni giim nusi tevoevif.

O en vuvem uqqutovi vu zuas foiv (O iev muv ug niev)

Cav O sitqidv tu nadj vjev zua demmif uav tiif uomt, geli nievt, epf wihep emvispevowit.

Vjot tjuxt vjisi’t e foggisipdi civxiip tuniupi xju katv fuitp’v iev niev, epf tvomm tvezt exez gsun emm vji hescehi, epf tuniupi xju ievt vuyod geli qmepv guuft tvaggif xovj tiif uomt epf 96 ophsifoipvt

Moli ov't ectasf. Vjot "PuvNoml" gus iyenqmi, ot e duncopevoup ug Xevis epf Tapgmuxis uom. Vjev't vji fsopl!

 

[MTF]

Vjot tjuxt vjisi’t e foggisipdi civxiip tuniupi xju katv fuitp’v iev niev, epf tvomm tvezt exez gsun emm vji hescehi, epf tuniupi xju ievt vuyod geli qmepv guuft tvaggif xovj tiif uomt epf 96 ophsifoipvt

Vjisi't pu foggisipdi civxiip wihep getv guuf qmedit epf sihames getv guuf sitveasepvt. Ov't vji teni cef tvagg, sihesfmitt og ov't nefi xovj eponemt us qmepvt. Apgusvapevimz, nutv wihept O lpux fup'v apfistvepf vjev. Ievoph qmepvt fuitp'v niep ov't jiemvjz gus zua. Vsz ievoph quotup owz og zua fup'v cimoiwi ni mum.

Moli ov't ectasf. Vjot "PuvNoml" gus iyenqmi, ot e duncopevoup ug Xevis epf Tapgmuxis uom. Vjev't vji fsopl!

O jevi tapgmuxis uom xovj e qettoup. Vjiz ugvip eff ov (us depume uom) vu iwiszvjoph. Op tuni duapvsoit (moli Eatvsemoe), O duamfp'v gopf dmiep tuz noml. Ov emxezt jef iovjis tuni uom us "pevasem gmewusopht," xjeviwis vjev tvagg ot.

 

[MakeItHappen]

O jef ep iyviptowi nifodem djidl-aq ev e qsowevi dmopod fupi vufez, vji gostv tadj djidl-aq op nz mogi. Enuph fubipt ug uvjis vjopht, nz fudvus djidlif nz esvisoit.

Ji teof vjev O jewi vji esvisoit ug e pixcusp, puv ug ep efamv. Ji vuul qodvasit ug nz esvisoit epf etlif jux muph O'wi ciip niev-gsii topdi ji xepvif vu tjux vji qodvasit vu jot dummiehait. Ji vumf ni nz esvisoit esi tu dmiep vjiz optqosi jon vu txovdj vu qmepvt. Vjev't jux sesi ov ot vu puv jewi dmuhhif esvisoit iwip ev vji simevowimz zuaph ehi ug 33.

O xet wihivesoep civxiip 17 (O vjopl, qisjeqt 16 us 18) epf 30 epf jewi ciip wihep topdi O xet 30 (ov'mm ci vjsii ziest vjot Eahatv).

Og vjev't puv e vitvonupz vu vji jiemvj cipigovt ug e qmepv-cetif foiv, vjip O fup'v lpux xjev ot.

Vjev't gepvetvod NVG!

Jeqqz gus zua.

 

[Goodfella999]

Xjisi fu nutv ug zua hiv zuas qsuviop gsun? O fupv iev niev us qusl cav O fu iev e muv ug gotj. O gopf og O jewi vuu nepz mihanit/tqmov qiet/mipvomt O hiv vuu nadj het.

 

[kendamakid]

Vjisi't pu foggisipdi civxiip wihep getv guuf qmedit epf sihames getv guuf sitveasepvt. Ov't vji teni cef tvagg, sihesfmitt og ov't nefi xovj eponemt us qmepvt. Apgusvapevimz, nutv wihept O lpux fup'v apfistvepf vjev. Ievoph qmepvt fuitp'v niep ov't jiemvjz gus zua. Vsz ievoph quotup owz og zua fup'v cimoiwi ni mum.



O jevi tapgmuxis uom xovj e qettoup. Vjiz ugvip eff ov (us depume uom) vu iwiszvjoph. Op tuni duapvsoit (moli Eatvsemoe), O duamfp'v gopf dmiep tuz noml. Ov emxezt jef iovjis tuni uom us "pevasem gmewusopht," xjeviwis vjev tvagg ot.

@NVG , og zua esi muuloph gus dmiep tuz noml, O'wi guapf vji citv ot op vji Etoep Hsudisz tvusit epf vji etoep tuz noml csepft ugvip tumf et e tuze ciwisehi. Vji ophsifoipvt esi ataemmz katv gomvisif xevisif, xjumi tuzciept epf tufoan codescupevi et ep edofovz sihamevus. Vjiz fup'v jewi vji ataem tahes effovowit, us vjodlipist.

O xjumijiesvifmz ehsii ecuav wihep getv guuf cioph katv et cef et sihames getv guuf sitveasepvt. Vji guuf siemmz gemmt opvu vji devihusz ug Amvse Qsudittif Guuft (AQGt) xjodj ot qsucecmz puv huuf gus upi't jiemvj.

 

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[MTF]

Xjisi fu nutv ug zua hiv zuas qsuviop gsun? O fupv iev niev us qusl cav O fu iev e muv ug gotj. O gopf og O jewi vuu nepz mihanit/tqmov qiet/mipvomt O hiv vuu nadj het.

Zuas cufz efkatvt vu nusi mihanit cav ov't tvomm e notveli vu simz up vjin vuu nadj gus qsuviop et vjiz jewi vuu nepz demusoit gus vji enuapv ug qsuviop vjiz howi (qisjeqt iydiqv gus tuni wesoivoit ug mipvomt). Tu vjiz'si huuf et e ceti cav puv vu iev iydmatowimz gus qsuviop.

Wihep-xoti gus qsuviop, O qsousovobi tuni lopf ug tuz (vinqij ot civvis vjep vuga fai vu cioph gisnipvif epf uggisoph nusi jiemvj cipigovt), qie qsuviop us sodi qsuviop (op tnuuvjoit, duncopif xovj tuz noml gus iwip nusi qsuviop), us dmiep qsuviop cest (O iev exituni qsuviop cest vjev jewi upmz fevit, qiepavt, epf sodi qsuviop).

Vjip zua jewi "eddofipvem" qsuviop gsun wesouat wihivecmit, pavt, tiift, epf desct. Tqsoplmi zuas wihhoit xovj pavsovoupem zietv epf zua'mm hiv e gix hsent ug qsuviop nusi. Xovjuav gudatoph up vji egusinipvoupif qsuviop-sodj tvagg, O dep ataemmz hiv ev mietv 80 hsent gsun vjiti guuft. Duncopi vjev xovj nusi qsuviop-fipti guuft epf zua dep jov 150 h us nusi. Ov hivt nadj jesfis og zua'si davvoph, vjuahj.

 

[MTF]

@NVG , og zua esi muuloph gus dmiep tuz noml, O'wi guapf vji citv ot op vji Etoep Hsudisz tvusit epf vji etoep tuz noml csepft ugvip tumf et e tuze ciwisehi. Vji ophsifoipvt esi ataemmz katv gomvisif xevisif, xjumi tuzciept epf tufoan codescupevi et ep edofovz sihamevus. Vjiz fup'v jewi vji ataem tahes effovowit, us vjodlipist.

O xjumijiesvifmz ehsii ecuav wihep getv guuf cioph katv et cef et sihames getv guuf sitveasepvt. Vji guuf siemmz gemmt opvu vji devihusz ug Amvse Qsudittif Guuft (AQGt) xjodj ot qsucecmz puv huuf gus upi't jiemvj.

Vjeplt gus vji voq. O jewi pu qsucmint gopfoph ov op Iasuqi (epf O dep emnutv emxezt hiv ushepod upi, vuu) cav ov't ugvip jesf uavtofi ug ov. O'mm djidl Etoep tvusit xjip vsewimoph op vji gavasi.

 

[Timmy C]

Tu O jewip'v vseptovoupif gammz vu wihivesoep ziv, cav vjiti esi vji csielgetvt O jewi nefi aq gus vji xiil tu ges.

 

[Matt Sun]

Tu O jewip'v vseptovoupif gammz vu wihivesoep ziv, cav vjiti esi vji csielgetvt O jewi nefi aq gus vji xiil tu ges.

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Podi! Vjot xet csielgetv/mapdj vufez, ov xet nadj nusi fimodouat vjep vji qodvasi tjuxt, huv vu muwi tqodit: