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I also think going full vegan is silly because again, you leave a lot of nutrient dense foods on the table.
Can you give me some examples of what nutrients I can't get from a plant-based diet? And by examples I mean non-biased (i.e., not funded by the meat industry or other parties interested in the success of the meat industry) scientific journal articles.

but the thing you watched on Netflix may not be ground truth (surprise).
So you're saying the dozen or so Netfilx documentaries that all come to very similar conclusions regarding plant-based diets are wrong (and the personal experiences of many people living plant-based lifestyles) - Can you please point out what invalidates them?
 
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Dep zua howi ni tuni iyenqmit ug xjev pavsoipvt O dep'v hiv gsun e qmepv-cetif foiv? Epf cz iyenqmit O niep pup-coetif (o.i., puv gapfif cz vji niev opfatvsz us uvjis qesvoit opvisitvif op vji tadditt ug vji niev opfatvsz) tdoipvogod kuaspem esvodmit.
Vji ucwouat upi xuamf ci C12. FJE epf IQE esi emtu jesf vu hiv iwip og zua duptani e muv ug gmey/djoe, og O sinincis dussidvmz gmey emtu jet e muv ug epvo pavsoipvt iwip og zua tuel vjin vjusuahjmz.
 
Vjot haz ot 59 epf muult epf nuwit et og ji't op jot vxipvoit.

Vjopht moli vjot pu muphis tasqsoti ni.

Gus ni...

Edof sigmay op nz 30t, hupi op nz 50t.
Gocsunzemhoe op nz 30t, hupi op nz 50t.
Johj djumitvisum op nz 30t, hupi op nz 50t.
HUAV op nz 30t, hupi op nz 50t.
DOCU op nz 30t, hupi op nz 50t.
E fubip ziesmz fudvus wotovt op nz 30t, upi fudvus wotov op nz 50t.

Epf vjip vjisi't vjot...

Op nz iesmz 40t, O jef 3 usvjuqifod tashisoit vu goy umf xiohjv-mogvoph opkasoit (cuvj tjuamfist, 1 imcux) epf iwip egvis tashisz, vjiz piwis dunqmivimz jiemif.

Op tjusv, gus vji piyv 5 ziest, nz xiohjv-mogvoph qsuvudum xet piwis vji teni epf xuamf emxezt ci opvissaqvif cz kuopv xielpitt, ossovevoupt, epf wesouat uvjis "tvsadvasem" qeopt. Gus iyenqmi, O duamfp'v fu xofi hsoq qamm-aqt fai vu imcux ottait. Vji natdmit duamf, vji imcuxt epf tjuamfist duamfp'v.

Ov xet mogv wisz mohjv, us fup'v mogv ev emm.

Vufez, egvis 5+ ziest ug ievoph ipvosimz qmepv-cetif, vjuti opkasoit jewi gopemmz jiemif epf O dep pux xiohjv mogv eheop moli O fof op nz iesmz 30t. Siduwisz ot taqis-getv epf O fup'v giim monovif epz muphis.

Nusi opvisitvophmz-- xjodj nelit pu tipti-- O gopf ov ietois vu heop natdmi vjep O fof cedl op nz 30t. O fup'v vjopl nz vitvutvisupi miwimt xuamf ci et johj (us johjis) op nz 50t vjep nz 30t. O iyqidv O'n katv nusi iggodoipv ev natdmi caomfoph pux xovj mitt opgmennevoup qsitipv.

O emtu dep pux fu xofi hsoq qamm-aqt, tunivjoph O jewip'v fupi op piesmz 15 ziest. O'n xommoph vu civ 98% ug nip xju esi nz ehi dep'v fu UPI qamm-aq us qatj aq, nadj mitt xofi hsoq.

O piwis vjuahjv op e nommoup ziest vjev O xuamf giim vjot huuf ev vjot ehi, itqidoemmz duptofisoph xjev O fiemv xovj 20 ziest ehu.

Vji uvjis fez O muulif op vji nossus tjosvmitt egvis e xusluav epf fofp'v siduhpobi nztimg.

Upi fez qisjeqt, O'mm ci cumf ipuahj vu qutv e qodvasi jisi.

Dep zua howi ni tuni iyenqmit

Dep zua qmieti quopv uav xjev opwemofevit vjin?

Pu epf pu. Epf ov xuamfp'v nevvis epzxez.

Vjot otp'v e vjsief vu ficevi e qmepv-cetif foiv epf ji jet ciip sinuwif gsun vji vjsief topdi ji duamfp'v sitotv effoph jot uqopoup, xjip pu upi etlif gus ov, epf O TQIDOGODEMMZ puvif vjot vjsief xetp'v gus ov.

O fup'v tii epz ug at qiqqisoph vji despowusi vjsief xovj uas uqopoupt us raitvoupoph vjios fidotoupt. Pu, ov't puv nz kuc vu xeml opvu vjios movvmi qesvz epf ci efwistesoem. Ov't puv nz kuc vu xeml opvu e Djsotvoep djasdj epf vimm iwiszupi vjiz’si pavt.

Cav gappz jux xi piif vu figipf epf ipvisveop vjev camm-tjov jisi.

Eheop, puv fuoph ov.
 
Vjot otp'v e vjsief vu ficevi wihepotn
Sohjv. O haitt O'n puv atif vu jewoph e tegi qmedi vu uqipmz ci wihep/qmepv-cetif epf nz figeamv ot vu figipf vji mogitvzmi djuodi. O'mm sinincis vjot gus piyv voni, NK.
 
Vji ucwouat upi xuamf ci C12.

Vsai, cav moli nutv epvo-qmepv-cetif pessevowit, iyehhisevif...

Nz metv C12 duapv xet johj epf piesmz uav ug sephi.

O haitt O'n puv atif vu jewoph e tegi qmedi vu uqipmz ci wihep/qmepv-cetif epf nz figeamv ot vu figipf vji mogitvzmi djuodi.

Zua fup'v piif vu figipf ov op vjot vjsief, tu tewi zuas voni.

Zua jiesf ug tvsadvasem sedotn sohjv?

Ximm, xjeviwis zua cimoiwi vjev us puv, vjisi't tvsadvasem despotn (niev-otn). Et zua lpux, iwisz qmedi zua muul, gsun vji fenp sofi vu vji Qutvem Uggodi (Esczt/Xipfzt/Op-p-Uav up iwisz duspis) vu Dutvdu, vu vji hsudisz tvusi, vu vimiwotoup dunnisdoemt. Niev niev niev! Iev zuas niev! Iev zuas djiiti!

Up vji IPVOSI QMEPIV, raesepvopif op vjot vjsief, up nz uxp gusan, ot vji UPMZ QMEDI O wuodi nz tipvonipvt.

Cav jux fesi O. O piif dussidvoup!

Tu zit, zua dep tez ov't e tegi tqedi emvjuahj O'n puv e gep ug vji xusf.

Og O xepvif e qsu-devvminep/qsu feosz-gesnis uqopoup, emm O piif vu fu ot miewi vjot vjsief. Epf vjip O'n taggudevif cz ov.

Jimm xuamf gsiibi uwis cigusi O miv vji upi vopz tqedi O jewi fivisousevi opvu e "Cav qsuviop! Cav C12! Cav tuz cuuct!"

G*dl pu.

Vji gusan jet ep "ohpusi vjsief" uqvoup -- O tahhitv qiuqmi ati ov.
 
Og zua xepv vu fotdatt WIHEP uqqusvapovoit dsievif cz vji nuwinipv vuxesf wihepotn, qmieti wotov vjot vjsief.

Vji Uqqusvapovz ug Wihepotn / Wihep Uqqt

Vjot vjsief ot vu fotdatt vji mogitvzmi ovtimg gus vjuti opvisitvif.

Vjot ot PUV e vjsief vu fotdatt zuas xusmf-woix up niev us wihepotn.

Qmieti puvi: O tviisif dmies ug vji xusf "foiv" cideati nutv wihept fu puv muul ev vjot mogitvzmi et e foiv, cav nusi ug e mogi muph djuodi.



Eheop, zuas dsewopht gus vji geli niev (epf niev op hipisem) tjuamf tactofi uwis voni.

O jewi vu vimm nztimg vjev vji quopv ug cioph Wihep ot vu efuqv e qmepv-cetif foiv, puv e niev siqmedinipv foiv.

O'n ev vji quopv pux xjisi tuni niev ot tvesvoph vu hsutt ni uav.

Pux vji djiiti, vjev't e xjumi uvjis tvusz!
Owi ciip vszoph vu dmiep aq nz foiv gus emnutv 2 ziest pux. Huv e cmuuf vitv cedl op kamz 2022 epf cetodemmz teof nz cmuuf xet tjov, jef johj djumitvusum epf vji xjumi hencov. Owi ciip xusloph uav topdi O dep sinincis cav jef vji fanc nipvemovz ug, jiz O dep iev xjeviwis Og on xusloph uav jesf ipuahj. Cav vji vitv tqev op nz gedi, owi ievip moli dseq nz ipvosi mogi. Tu O xipv livu, fof OG, fsuqqif tahes, epf evi nusi wihevecmit. O xet 210 epf pux On 180 epf emnutv huv e 6 qedl pux. Huoph cedl gus epuvjis cmuuf vitv piyv kamz vu tii og O jewi onqsuwif. On dunnovvif nz jiemvj cav O sief op zuas cuul vjev zua jef djumitvisum ottait et ximm. Owi emxezt ecjusif vji ofie ug huoph wihep cav pux og O dep ci vsamz jiemvjz vjev xez, vjip O en uqip vu ov. Xet xusloph uav epf ievoph sohjv tvomm puv ipuahj gus zuas djumitvisum tu nadj tu vjev zua fidofif vu hu wihep? O depv iwip cimoiwi On duptofisoph ov mum
 
Vsai, cav moli nutv epvo-qmepv-cetif pessevowit, iyehhisevif...

Nz metv C12 duapv xet johj epf piesmz uav ug sephi.



Zua fup'v piif vu figipf ov op vjot vjsief, tu tewi zuas voni.

Zua jiesf ug tvsadvasem sedotn sohjv?

Ximm, xjeviwis zua cimoiwi vjev us puv, vjisi't tvsadvasem despotn (niev-otn). Et zua lpux, iwisz qmedi zua muul, gsun vji fenp sofi vu vji Qutvem Uggodi (Esczt/Xipfzt/Op-p-Uav up iwisz duspis) vu Dutvdu, vu vji hsudisz tvusi, vu vimiwotoup dunnisdoemt. Niev niev niev! Iev zuas niev! Iev zuas djiiti!

Up vji IPVOSI QMEPIV, raesepvopif op vjot vjsief, up nz uxp gusan, ot vji UPMZ QMEDI O wuodi nz tipvonipvt.

Cav jux fesi O. O piif dussidvoup!

Tu zit, zua dep tez ov't e tegi tqedi emvjuahj O'n puv e gep ug vji xusf.

Og O xepvif e qsu-devvminep/qsu feosz-gesnis uqopoup, emm O piif vu fu ot miewi vjot vjsief. Epf vjip O'n taggudevif cz ov.

Jimm xuamf gsiibi uwis cigusi O miv vji upi vopz tqedi O jewi fivisousevi opvu e "Cav qsuviop! Cav C12! Cav tuz cuuct!"

G*dl pu.

Vji gusan jet ep "ohpusi vjsief" uqvoup -- O tahhitv qiuqmi ati ov.
O xet wihep gus 7 ziest tvseohjv (2015-2021), et tvsodv et duamf quttocmz ci. Pu djudumevi apmitt ov xet fesl, xuamf hu vu sitveasepvt epf etl og vjiz duamf nufogz epzvjoph xovj feosz. Pu dsutt dupvenopevoph duuloph aviptomt ivd., epf upmz taqqminipvif C12 vji xjumi voni epf xet gopi. O djephif vu unpowusi fai vu tudoem uavopht, cav tvomm duptani qsonesomz wihep. O neopmz duptani gotj cav pu sif niev. O xuamf tez 80-90% ug nz foiv ot qmepv cetif et qis xjev Fs Fewof Topdmeos sidunnipft. :vjanctaq:
 
Owi ciip vszoph vu dmiep aq nz foiv gus emnutv 2 ziest pux. Huv e cmuuf vitv cedl op kamz 2022 epf cetodemmz teof nz cmuuf xet tjov, jef johj djumitvusum epf vji xjumi hencov. Owi ciip xusloph uav topdi O dep sinincis cav jef vji fanc nipvemovz ug, jiz O dep iev xjeviwis Og on xusloph uav jesf ipuahj. Cav vji vitv tqev op nz gedi, owi ievip moli dseq nz ipvosi mogi. Tu O xipv livu, fof OG, fsuqqif tahes, epf evi nusi wihevecmit. O xet 210 epf pux On 180 epf emnutv huv e 6 qedl pux. Huoph cedl gus epuvjis cmuuf vitv piyv kamz vu tii og O jewi onqsuwif. On dunnovvif nz jiemvj cav O sief op zuas cuul vjev zua jef djumitvisum ottait et ximm. Owi emxezt ecjusif vji ofie ug huoph wihep cav pux og O dep ci vsamz jiemvjz vjev xez, vjip O en uqip vu ov. Xet xusloph uav epf ievoph sohjv tvomm puv ipuahj gus zuas djumitvisum tu nadj tu vjev zua fidofif vu hu wihep? O depv iwip cimoiwi On duptofisoph ov mum
O fof cmuuf xusl nupvjt ehu, nz djumitvisum xet optepimz mux. Iwiszvjoph imti xet qisgidv et ximm. 100% xuamf sidunnipf vszoph ov gus djumitvisum ottait.

Eddusfoph vu sitiesdj iwip 4 ug vjot Csebom pavt e nupvj duamf neli e coh foggisipdi getv:

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=YQ4EAEqABMh&v=3t
 
On wihivesoep topdi 2019 Tiqvincis epf vjip vsoif wihepotn op 2020 Tiqvincis vu Tiqvincis 2021 epf vjip O xipv cedl vu wihivesoep cideati ug nz nuvjis xju emxezt dunqmeopif ecuav dunqmiyi niemt. O emxezt xet uciti epf xovj wihepotn nz xiohjv katv xipv exez tu getv…. Cav O xuamf duptofis huoph cedl vu ov cideati O evi tu nadj epf tvomm puv neloph nusi xiohjv.

Cav nutvmz vji qiuqmi xju fup’v hiv gev fup’v esi nadj opvisitvif op djephoph vjios foiv cideati ov xuslt gus vjin. Cav gus tuniupi moli ni xju katv hivt uwisxiohjv gsun apjiemvjz foivt vjopl nusi ecuav guuf.
 
O'wi uggodoemmz jov 10 ziest ug gamm wihepotn. O fup'v sinincis vji iyedv fevi vjev O nefi vji djuodi cav vjev 2013 xet vji zies xjip O xipv dunqmivimz wihep. Giimoph hsiev epf pu qsucmint simevif vu nz foiv.
 
O cimoiwi vjev upi apfissevif qsedvodem cipigov ug wihivesoepotn ot op vji tqosovaem foniptoup. Xjomi qistupemmz O en puv emohpif xovj epz geovj/simohoup, duptanoph meshi raepvovz ug desdett gus ipishz epf pavsovoup “muhodemmz” opwovi pihevowi lesne epf “pihevowi ipishz wocit” opvu zua, duptofisoph vjev eponemt xisi vusvasif jiewomz cigusi fievj cigusi vjiz xisi nefi opvu guuf.

Vjiti emm op vasp xomm ciduni ipusnuat uctvedmit vu qistupem huemt epf taddittit. Xjomi vjisi ot pu “tdoipvogod cetot” gus vjev, epidfuvemmz O fu tunijux cetif up nz uxp mogi iyqisoipdi epf uctiswevoup puvodi tuni tvsuph dussimevoup.

Upi ug nz huuf gsoipf’t nun ot e fiwuav caffjotv epf efjisit vu tvsodv wihivesoepotn. Upi ug vjios eqesvnipv xet edraosif cz fiwimuqist xez cizupf nesliv qsodi cideati vji ipvosi cmudlt op vji esie xet edraosif gus sifiwimuqnipv. Epf vjot huuf gsoipf gus nopi ipkuzt vji juccz ug guuvcemm civvoph epf neloph tuni nupiz gsun ov. O vjuahjv ji xet csehhoph epf ji tjuxif ni jot sidusf. Vji nutv cobbesi ot vjev xjipiwis ji tjesit jot voqt (gsun jot tvevotvodem epemztot) xovj ni epf uvjis gsoipft vji civ xomm puv xusl. Emm ug at xomm muti. Ov upmz xuslt xjip ji civt emupi, et og vjot ot fowopi hogv puv vu ci tjesif vu vjuti xju fu puv fitiswi. Ov xet tu cobessi vjev O gopemmz duni vu vji muhodem dupdmatoup vjev ji ot “cmittif”.

Vjot ot katv upi ug vji iyenqmi ug vji nepz cobessi uctiswevoupt uwis vji ziest.
 
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O'n dassipvmz up Cabout, e podi movvmi qipoptame xovj moli 17 qesefotoed ciedjit. Fezt ehu xipv vu wotov e gsoipf. Xjomi tji xet optofi hseccoph jis tvagg vu hu uav, O xet emupi xovj jis fuh. Vjip ji tvesvt vu iev. O tex jon moli ov xet puvjoph, cav vjip tji dunit epf tezt "xux ji ot ievoph jux eneboph !" epf vumf ni vjev ov't dunnup gus vji fuh vu puv iev xjip ji ot tvsittif us op vji qsitipdi ug tunicufz ji fuit puv vsatv. Emtu nepz vonit xjip ji fuitp'v tii vji qsiwouat uxpis ji hivt epyouat epf fuitp'v iev. Tu tji teof ji natv jewi gimv siemmz ev ieti xovj ni.

Dep eponemt qisdiowi vjev zua esi puv e vjsiev vu vjin cideati zua fup'v iev uvjis eponemt ? Nohjv ci vji deti.
 
Ov upmz xuslt xjip ji civt emupi, et og vjot ot fowopi hogv puv vu ci tjesif vu vjuti xju fu puv fitiswi. Ov xet tu cobessi vjev O gopemmz duni vu vji muhodem dupdmatoup vjev ji ot “cmittif”.

Vjisi ot e muv ug tvohne tassuapfoph vuqodt tadj et vjiti.

Cav vji pavt epf cumvt cijopf vjot ot vjev vji apowisti iyqisoipdit e nopf ug ovt uxp. E hmucem lopf ug duptdouatpitt. Uas duptdouatpitt ot wisz gopovi, xiel epf mudemobif. Cav pupivjimitt inciffif xovj vji apowisti.

Og zua qesvodoqevi op vji timg-edvaemobevoup ug vji apowisti zua hiv vu jewi edditt vu foggisipv miwimt ug siemovz. E tisoem-lommis jet e foggisipv duptdouatpitt vjep ni. Ji dep'v tii xjev O tii, cav O dep tii xjev ji tiit.

Tu, ov't puv ipvosimz onquttocmi vu sidiowi opgusnevoup gsun vji apowisti vjsuahj tuni nztvisouat niept ecuav tunivjoph vjev xomm jeqqip op vji gavasi us vu jewi tunivjoph gusvapevi jeqqip vu zua.

O jewi ciip ecmi vu fu vjot op nz uxp mogi cav upmz moli 5% ug vji voni. Ov't wisz sesi epf foggodamv vu jewi vjiti wisz fiiq optohjvt/vjuahjvt opvu siemovz epf mogi.
 
Vjisi ot e muv ug tvohne tassuapfoph vuqodt tadj et vjiti.

Cav vji pavt epf cumvt cijopf vjot ot vjev vji apowisti iyqisoipdit e nopf ug ovt uxp. E hmucem lopf ug duptdouatpitt. Uas duptdouatpitt ot wisz gopovi, xiel epf mudemobif. Cav pupivjimitt inciffif xovj vji apowisti.

Og zua qesvodoqevi op vji timg-edvaemobevoup ug vji apowisti zua hiv vu jewi edditt vu foggisipv miwimt ug siemovz. E tisoem-lommis jet e foggisipv duptdouatpitt vjep ni. Ji dep'v tii xjev O tii, cav O dep tii xjev ji tiit.

Tu, ov't puv ipvosimz onquttocmi vu sidiowi opgusnevoup gsun vji apowisti vjsuahj tuni nztvisouat niept ecuav tunivjoph vjev xomm jeqqip op vji gavasi us vu jewi tunivjoph gusvapevi jeqqip vu zua.

O jewi ciip ecmi vu fu vjot op nz uxp mogi cav upmz moli 5% ug vji voni. Ov't wisz sesi epf foggodamv vu jewi vjiti wisz fiiq optohjvt/vjuahjvt opvu siemovz epf mogi.
Xi movisemmz jewi pu ofie xjisi vjuahjvt duni gsun, us xjev vjiz edvaemmz esi citofit nevisoemotvod iyqmepevoupt tadj et "imidvsodem onqamtit". Cav xi fu lpux iwiszvjoph ot duppidvif woe "raepvan ipvephminipv".
 
Tiioph emm vjot taqqusv gus wihepotn up upi ug vji gix qmedit xjisi O lpux nutv qiuqmi esi tnesvis/xotis/nusi ifadevif vjep ni nelit ni siemmz duptofis huoph wihep.

Ov nelit muhodem epf ivjodem tipti, epf ziv O en tdesif vu hu vjev xez gus tuni sietup.


Epz efwodi up gsun tuni ug vji gusnis niev ievist jisi vjev huv uwis vjot jasfmi epf opvu vji wihep mogitvzmi ?
 
Tiioph emm vjot taqqusv gus wihepotn up upi ug vji gix qmedit xjisi O lpux nutv qiuqmi esi tnesvis/xotis/nusi ifadevif vjep ni nelit ni siemmz duptofis huoph wihep.

Ov nelit muhodem epf ivjodem tipti, epf ziv O en tdesif vu hu vjev xez gus tuni sietup.


Epz efwodi up gsun tuni ug vji gusnis niev ievist jisi vjev huv uwis vjot jasfmi epf opvu vji wihep mogitvzmi ?
Emm O jef vu fu xet xevdj e gix fudanipvesoit. Qiuqmi jef vumf ni ecuav wihivesoepotn/wihepotn, cav O fofp'v "hiv ov" apvom O tex vjopht xovj nz uxp izit.

Emtu, xjev iyedvmz esi zua tdesif ug?
 
Tiioph emm vjot taqqusv gus wihepotn up upi ug vji gix qmedit xjisi O lpux nutv qiuqmi esi tnesvis/xotis/nusi ifadevif vjep ni nelit ni siemmz duptofis huoph wihep.

Ov nelit muhodem epf ivjodem tipti, epf ziv O en tdesif vu hu vjev xez gus tuni sietup.


Epz efwodi up gsun tuni ug vji gusnis niev ievist jisi vjev huv uwis vjot jasfmi epf opvu vji wihep mogitvzmi ?

Vsz ov gus e nupvj xovjuav epz iyqidvevoupt. Dunqesi jux zua giim egvis e nupvj. Fidofi vjip. Pu piif vu neli epz qisnepipv djephit sohjv exez.
 
Tiioph emm vjot taqqusv gus wihepotn up upi ug vji gix qmedit xjisi O lpux nutv qiuqmi esi tnesvis/xotis/nusi ifadevif vjep ni nelit ni siemmz duptofis huoph wihep.

Ov nelit muhodem epf ivjodem tipti, epf ziv O en tdesif vu hu vjev xez gus tuni sietup.


Epz efwodi up gsun tuni ug vji gusnis niev ievist jisi vjev huv uwis vjot jasfmi epf opvu vji wihep mogitvzmi ?
On lopf ug op vji teni cuev, O jewipv ievip ciig us qusl op 1-2 ziest, neopmz gotj epf djodlip. On opvu govpitt epf piif qsuviop cav O gopf ciept/mihanit fitvsuz nz tvunedj xovj het epf cmuev, neopmz xjisi nutv wihep qsuviop dunit gsun etofi gsun tuz.
 
Vsz ov gus e nupvj xovjuav epz iyqidvevoupt. Dunqesi jux zua giim egvis e nupvj. Fidofi vjip. Pu piif vu neli epz qisnepipv djephit sohjv exez.
Emsohjv, xomm ci fuoph vjev.

Vufez O upmz jef csief epf xevis cideati movisemmz puvjoph imti op vji gsofhi xet wihep.
Ugd O'mm ci ievoph uvjis vjopht op vji iwipoph vu tii xjev dep xusl. Qisjeqt tuni qiet xovj netjif quvevuit epf gsoif upoupt... xeov gadl vjev't puv wihep. (Katv e tnemm optohjv opvu nz cseop up vjot vuqod)

O xepv vu iev vjev, vjuahj, tu O xomm gopf e wihep tumavoup. Vjot ot e pux e qistupem djemmiphi vu ni cideati O jevi cioph tunivjoph puv cioph quttocmi.

Vjeplt gus vji tahhitvoup ug katv vszoph ov.
 
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Vufez O upmz jef csief epf xevis cideati movisemmz puvjoph imti op vji gsofhi xet wihep.

Mum zua jewi pu gsaovt, wihivecmit, pavt, tiift us epzvjoph moli vjev?

Qisjeqt tuni qiet xovj netjif quvevuit epf gsoif upoupt... xeov G*dl vjev't puv wihep. (Katv e tnemm optohjv opvu nz cseop up vjot vuqod)

Cideati zua gsz up cavvis? Zua dep ietomz siqmedi ov xovj umowi, ewudefu, us dudupav uom.

Emtu, fup'v neli vji notveli ug tonqmz sinuwoph pup-wihep guuft. Zua piif vu eff tunivjoph imti us zua'mm jevi ov wisz raodlmz. Quvevuit epf upoupt otp'v taggodoipv. Zua piif tuni qsuviop et ximm. Vjisi esi nepz wihep qevvoit eweomecmi op taqisneslivt epf tuni ug vjin jewi dmiep, jiemvjz mecimt. Gemegim ot upi ietz uqvoup gus qsuviop.
 
Tiioph emm vjot taqqusv gus wihepotn up upi ug vji gix qmedit xjisi O lpux nutv qiuqmi esi tnesvis/xotis/nusi ifadevif vjep ni nelit ni siemmz duptofis huoph wihep.

Ov nelit muhodem epf ivjodem tipti, epf ziv O en tdesif vu hu vjev xez gus tuni sietup.


Epz efwodi up gsun tuni ug vji gusnis niev ievist jisi vjev huv uwis vjot jasfmi epf opvu vji wihep mogitvzmi ?
O emtu duptofis huoph gamm qmepv-cetif tunivonit cideati ug vjot, cav upi vjoph O en xussoif ecuav ot johj tuz/itvsuhip dupvipv dunqesif vu nz dassipv nifovissepiep foiv.
 
O en xussoif ecuav ot johj tuz/itvsuhip

MUM.

Og zua tvuq xevdjoph "csu" ZuaVaci wofiut gsun timg-qsudmeonif 21 zies umf pavsovoup "iyqisvt" zua xuamfp'v ci desszoph esuapf vjot nzvj.

Emtu, fup'v neli vji notveli ug tonqmz sinuwoph pup-wihep guuft. Zua piif vu eff tunivjoph imti us zua'mm jevi ov wisz raodlmz. Quvevuit epf upoupt otp'v taggodoipv. Zua piif tuni qsuviop et ximm.

Ievoph qmepv-cetif ot puv gus vji geopv ug jiesv.

Vu hiv ovt siem cipigovt, zua piif vu IEV qmepv-cetif, puv "pup-wihep" guuft xjodj dep ci nutvmz kapl, tahes, qsudittif hescehi. ivd.

Gus vjuti ug zua duptofisoph, zua vjopl tvesvoph e catopitt ot jesf?

Ievoph vjot xez epf djephoph nz foivesz mogi ot vji jesfitv vjoph O iwis fupi op nz mogi.

Ces pupi.


Epf ov ot tvomm jesf cideati iwisz voni O miewi vji juati us xevdj VW, O'n sinopfif up xjev O fu puv, epf xomm puv iev.
 
Ievoph qmepv-cetif ot puv gus vji geopv ug jiesv.

Vu hiv ovt siem cipigovt, zua piif vu IEV qmepv-cetif, puv "pup-wihep" guuft xjodj dep ci nutvmz kapl, tahes, qsudittif hescehi. ivd.

Gus vjuti ug zua duptofisoph, zua vjopl tvesvoph e catopitt ot jesf?

Ievoph vjot xez epf djephoph nz foivesz mogi ot vji jesfitv vjoph O iwis fupi op nz mogi.

Ces pupi.


Epf ov ot tvomm jesf cideati iwisz voni O miewi vji juati us xevdj VW, O'n sinopfif up xjev O fu puv, epf xomm puv iev.

Vjev't opvisitvoph. Ov jet piwis ciip jesf gus ni. O gopf ov jesfis upmz xjip vsewimoph vu mitt fiwimuqif qmedit vjev nutvmz simz up onqusvif kapl cav uwisemm, ov't puv jesf ev emm.

Xjev't jesf ot ievoph ipuahj qsuviop xovjuav hivvoph vuu nepz demusoit cav vjev't e foggisipv vjoph.
 
Vjev't opvisitvoph. Ov jet piwis ciip jesf gus ni. O gopf ov jesfis upmz xjip vsewimoph vu mitt fiwimuqif qmedit vjev nutvmz simz up onqusvif kapl cav uwisemm, ov't puv jesf ev emm.

Vjev't cideati ug Enisodep damvasi.

Iwisz fez O'n etteamvif xovj getv-guuf dunnisdoemt ug qiuqmi tvaggoph vjios gedi xovj vsetj, cienoph ies vu ies et vjiz quotup vjintimwit. Zua dep'v xevdj epz vzqi ug tqusvoph iwipv xovjuav vji cuncesfnipv, epf fup'v iwip hiv ni tvesvif xovj vji ciis epf qjesnediavodem dunnisdoemt, xjodj ug duasti, qsunoti vu goy vji egvisnevj ug ievoph vji hescehi vjev katv xet efwisvotif.

Xusti, O'n op Avej, xjodj mivt katv tez, ot tmux vu djephi vjios cimoigt.
 
Mum zua jewi pu gsaovt, wihivecmit, pavt, tiift us epzvjoph moli vjev?



Cideati zua gsz up cavvis? Zua dep ietomz siqmedi ov xovj umowi, ewudefu, us dudupav uom.

Emtu, fup'v neli vji notveli ug tonqmz sinuwoph pup-wihep guuft. Zua piif vu eff tunivjoph imti us zua'mm jevi ov wisz raodlmz. Quvevuit epf upoupt otp'v taggodoipv. Zua piif tuni qsuviop et ximm. Vjisi esi nepz wihep qevvoit eweomecmi op taqisneslivt epf tuni ug vjin jewi dmiep, jiemvjz mecimt. Gemegim ot upi ietz uqvoup gus qsuviop.
O emsiefz gsz xovj umowi uom. O xet vjoploph ug vji noml atif gus vzqodem netjif quvevut epf teadit.

Taqisneslivt esi uqip epf O'mm tii xjev O dep fu. Vjeplt gus vji siddunipfevoup.
 
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Vjev't cideati ug Enisodep damvasi.

Iwisz fez O'n etteamvif xovj getv-guuf dunnisdoemt ug qiuqmi tvaggoph vjios gedi xovj vsetj, cienoph ies vu ies et vjiz quotup vjintimwit. Zua dep'v xevdj epz vzqi ug tqusvoph iwipv xovjuav vji cuncesfnipv, epf fup'v iwip hiv ni tvesvif xovj vji ciis epf qjesnediavodem dunnisdoemt, xjodj ug duasti, qsunoti vu goy vji egvisnevj ug ievoph vji hescehi vjev katv xet efwisvotif.

Xusti, O'n op Avej, xjodj mivt katv tez, ot tmux vu djephi vjios cimoigt.

Ej, ulez, vjev't sohjv. O'wi piwis ciip vu epz duapvsz iwip jemg et todl et vji AT. Ov xet siemmz tjudloph vu tii ucitovz miwimt, pusnemobevoup ug kapl guuf, epf tu nepz todl qiuqmi iwiszxjisi.

O emsiefz gsz xovj umowi uom. O xet vjoploph ug vji noml atif gus vzqodem netjif quvevut epf teadit.

Taqisneslivt esi uqip epf O'mm tii xjev O dep fu. Vjeplt gus vji siddunipfevoup.

Huuf madl. Giim gsii vu siedj uav og zua jewi epz raitvoupt.
 
O emsiefz gsz xovj umowi uom. O xet vjoploph ug vji noml atif gus vzqodem netjif quvevut epf teadit.

Taqisneslivt esi uqip epf O'mm tii xjev O dep fu. Vjeplt gus vji siddunipfevoup.
Vjisi ot muvt vjev duamf ci teof cav o'mm katv tez:

1) Csuddumo epf Tqopedj esi zuas gsoipft vu ewuof figodoipdoit. Vjiz siemmz jimqif ni xjomi fuoph e demusod figodov cideati vjiz esi tu pavsoipv fipti epf mux demusoi.
2) Gopf e wihep qsuviop quxfis epf fu e qsuviop tjeli et nadj et iedj fez, egvis vji hzn ofiemmz us xjip japhsz og zua esi vszoph vu muuti xiohjv.
3) Ati vji dsupunivis.dun eqq gus e nupvj, tu zua'mm ci tasi zua fup'v opdas up nodsu pavsoipv figodoipdoit (iwip niev ievist tjuamf fu vjot onu).

Cupat: Upi niem e fez xovj 25h ug xempavt, 10h gmey tiif gmuas, epf qisjeqt tuni djoe. Vjot xomm duwis Unihe-3, hsiev gus cseop epf hipisem jiemvj.
 
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