Wow, just wow!

[mav55339]

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Thoughts on this group? Are they just your most average sheeple or what? The group has 2.6 million people and it scares me that this many people think this way.

 

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[BigRomeDawg]

Do you live in North America? If I had a job, I'd be pissed too.

 

[mav55339]

Do you live in North America? If I had a job, I'd be pissed too.

USA

 

[BigRomeDawg]

What do you think they should do?

 

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[Johnny boy]

Solipsistic selfish uneducated slave class behavior.

None of their positions are logical, possible, or clear.

It’s just the collective venting of average people.

None of their opinions have an actual argument behind them. You can ask “what is being argued here?” And there will be no coherent logical answer. Any level headed conversation with any one of them will end with nothing making sense. Just a bunch of emotional appeals that don’t actually support a conclusion of any kind.

Capitalism isn’t even the government bailing out companies. The government should not have a budget to do that or have the power to do that. And they want bigger government?? Lmao.

Lower regulations and less legislation means lower barrier to entry and more competition which lowers prices, increases choice for consumers, and helps people.

A communist government would be great if it were a few thousand homogenous people who all behaved themselves.

We do not have that.

 

[mav55339]

What do you think they should do?

Not demand the government to come in and save the day

 

[Johnny boy]

What do you think they should do?

Kick out leeching groups of people draining tax dollars, let criminals get locked away and stop destroying society, eat better and not clog up our medical system with their fat a$$ chronic diseases, and spend time to educate and better themselves to provide higher value in the economy.

We would have twice as much to spend on bettering society.

These people are not a drain on society. A country full of them and you cannot go wrong.

 

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[Panos Daras]

Kick out leeching groups of people draining tax dollars, let criminals get locked away and stop destroying society, eat better and not clog up our medical system with their fat a$$ chronic diseases, and spend time to educate and better themselves to provide higher value in the economy.

We would have twice as much to spend on bettering society.

These people are not a drain on society. A country full of them and you cannot go wrong.

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[Raedrum]

Contribute to the fall of capitalism, lol tell me more jokes

The only way to fight the system is to climb on it, but they don't wanna do that of course it must be done by the way they want

They want, they want, they want...

 

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Thoughts on this group? Are they just your most average sheeple or what? The group has 2.6 million people and it scares me that this many people think this way.

I don't waste any brain cycles on it.

They'll never be producers until they figure out that "Money is proof you helped your fellow man", as MJ says.

So that means less competition, yet they're still consumers so we can still sell to them.

IMO, the biggest indicator of a bad mindset is complaining.

 

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[Panos Daras]

Yeah the system is rigged can you blame people? My parents with medium-income jobs managed to get 1 house and several plots of land and retire by the age of 64. If they wanted to they could live with only one person working. Me? I had to study and migrate to another country to be able to afford a mortgage for a middle-class home. Also retirement? Forget about it! By rough estimates, it will be 800EUR at the age of 67!! And for my kids? The situation will be 2 times worst. They will not be able to afford a house for example with the real estate prices going up times and times again. In the meanwhile technology has made leaps and has given a big business a shitload of money. This system cannot just keep going on. We need to have universal basic income and free healthcare, and a place to live for everyone. If we don't what does this indicate about the society that we built? What kind of people are we? We say to people through our actions: I don't care if you have mental problems or if you are sick. You do not work? You are left as the pariah of the society exposed to the elements!

 

[mav55339]

Yeah the system is rigged can you blame people? My parents with medium-income jobs managed to get 1 house and several plots of land and retire by the age of 64. If they wanted to they could live with only one person working. Me? I had to study and migrate to another country to be able to afford a mortgage for a middle-class home. Also retirement? Forget about it! By rough estimates, it will be 800EUR at the age of 67!! And for my kids? The situation will be 2 times worst. They will not be able to afford a house for example with the real estate prices going up times and times again. In the meanwhile technology has made leaps and has given a big business a shitload of money. This system cannot just keep going on. We need to have universal basic income and free healthcare, and a place to live for everyone. If we don't what does this indicate about the society that we built? What kind of people are we? We say to people through our actions: I don't care if you have mental problems or if you are sick. You do not work? You are left as the pariah of the society exposed to the elements!

Are you a socialist? How do you expect people to work for free to build you a house, give you "basic" income (whatever that means), or doctors and nurses to work for free? All of that, just so you can have "free" things? Just because corporations are innovative and making lots of money, doesn't mean they somehow made you poor in the process.

 

[Panos Daras]

Are you a socialist? How do you expect people to work for free to build you a house, give you "basic" income (whatever that means), or doctors and nurses to work for free? All of that, just so you can have "free" things? Just because corporations are innovative and making lots of money, doesn't mean they somehow made you poor in the process.

I studied economics so I have learned that leftist, rightist, neoliberal, or whatever politics you want to label them can be applied to a plethora of situations based on what you want to achieve. If as a society you want to have less criminal behavior, increased productivity, and innovation, it is a good idea to provide your people with support, meaning mental, healthcare, and financial. Yes, believe it or not, we have the capacity to do that as a species with the current technology in construction, agriculture, etc. Now please get out of Reddit and go produce something..anything!

 

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[Kevin88660]

A communist government would be great if it were a few thousand homogenous people who all behaved themselves.

We do not have that.

Even within a family “communism” can and often fails very quickly.

 

[Kevin88660]

Yeah the system is rigged can you blame people? My parents with medium-income jobs managed to get 1 house and several plots of land and retire by the age of 64. If they wanted to they could live with only one person working. Me? I had to study and migrate to another country to be able to afford a mortgage for a middle-class home. Also retirement? Forget about it! By rough estimates, it will be 800EUR at the age of 67!! And for my kids? The situation will be 2 times worst. They will not be able to afford a house for example with the real estate prices going up times and times again. In the meanwhile technology has made leaps and has given a big business a shitload of money. This system cannot just keep going on. We need to have universal basic income and free healthcare, and a place to live for everyone. If we don't what does this indicate about the society that we built? What kind of people are we? We say to people through our actions: I don't care if you have mental problems or if you are sick. You do not work? You are left as the pariah of the society exposed to the elements!

I don’t like the narrative about “rigged”. It somehow suggests that people at the top are unfairly exploiting others below and that’s the result that why people aren’t living the life they want to have .

Rich people aren’t really as rich as you think. If you confiscate all their wealth and distribute to everyone it might just last a few months. Nothing gets fixed at all. You aren’t solving any real problems.

Many countries with “free healthcare” are struggling now and medications are no longer free.

The real cure is public investment, innovation and technological progress. Make the pie bigger.

 

[heavy_industry]

Yeah the system is rigged can you blame people? My parents with medium-income jobs managed to get 1 house and several plots of land and retire by the age of 64. If they wanted to they could live with only one person working. Me? I had to study and migrate to another country to be able to afford a mortgage for a middle-class home. Also retirement? Forget about it! By rough estimates, it will be 800EUR at the age of 67!! And for my kids? The situation will be 2 times worst. They will not be able to afford a house for example with the real estate prices going up times and times again. In the meanwhile technology has made leaps and has given a big business a shitload of money. This system cannot just keep going on. We need to have universal basic income and free healthcare, and a place to live for everyone. If we don't what does this indicate about the society that we built? What kind of people are we? We say to people through our actions: I don't care if you have mental problems or if you are sick. You do not work? You are left as the pariah of the society exposed to the elements!

You have accidentally posted your pathetic whining on the fastlane forum. Here we eat difficulty for breakfast. We do not care how "unfair" the world is. We do what we want, and we create the life that we want.

Here's a link to reddit: r/FML

Have fun with the rest of your crying friends. See who can moan the loudest.

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[Black_Dragon43]

Yeah the system is rigged can you blame people? My parents with medium-income jobs managed to get 1 house and several plots of land and retire by the age of 64. If they wanted to they could live with only one person working. Me? I had to study and migrate to another country to be able to afford a mortgage for a middle-class home. Also retirement? Forget about it! By rough estimates, it will be 800EUR at the age of 67!! And for my kids? The situation will be 2 times worst. They will not be able to afford a house for example with the real estate prices going up times and times again. In the meanwhile technology has made leaps and has given a big business a shitload of money. This system cannot just keep going on. We need to have universal basic income and free healthcare, and a place to live for everyone. If we don't what does this indicate about the society that we built? What kind of people are we? We say to people through our actions: I don't care if you have mental problems or if you are sick. You do not work? You are left as the pariah of the society exposed to the elements!

Yeah, and 200 years ago if you had mental problems they shot you in the head and threw you to the dogs.

5,000 years ago if you did not go hunt or if you couldn’t hunt because you were “depressed” or “anxious” you starved and they killed you and ate you!

Life is hard and unfair, we shouldn’t make it easy. Imagine what mental retardation will be produced if we make it easy. Look at what mental retardation has already been produced, and we don’t have universal basic income. UBI is the tool the wealthy will use to create a world of retards that are easy to control. A world of drones.

 

[Kevin88660]

Yeah, and 200 years ago if you had mental problems they shot you in the head and threw you to the dogs.

5,000 years ago if you did not go hunt or if you couldn’t hunt because you were “depressed” or “anxious” you starved and they killed you and ate you!

Life is hard and unfair, we shouldn’t make it easy. Imagine what mental retardation will be produced if we make it easy. Look at what mental retardation has already been produced, and we don’t have universal basic income. UBI is the tool the wealthy will use to create a world of retards that are easy to control. A world of drones.

There is no need to go back in history. Hardship is the norm now in most parts of the world.

View: https://youtu.be/c7gDBVmgIRA

 

[Devilery]

F*ck them! Seriously, I grew up in a small town in Eastern Europe, a lower class for sure, when I was a kid we didn't even have running water in an apartment, yes, that poor.

For the past 5 years, I've been freelancing, now making about $5K a month (not crazy impressive but statistically, I should be working hard for about 1k a month as an employee). Even though I know exactly how these people feel, I disagree with literally everything they say.

Handouts, assistance, free this and that would make it so much worse. People have a tendency to want more. The more you give to a beggar, the lazier they will get (poor habit/action gets reinforced by a reward) and the more they will ask for (why work when I can just whine and get stuff for free). Their view of equality is flawed because not everyone is equally valuable. Of course, a guy who provides a valuable service and employs 20 people will make more money than a cashier. That is normal.

Sure, being born as a drug addict child or in a complete shit hole sucks but nearly half of redditors are from the US. It's like one of the best countries you could be living in. If you can't figure out how to do better than slave for a minimum wage it's your fault (upskill yourself, realize that you're a selfish pussy, and provide more value to other people), it's not the "matrix" rigging your game.

 

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Thoughts on this group? Are they just your most average sheeple or what? The group has 2.6 million people and it scares me that this many people think this way.

Not much of a “threat”. Just some childish rant.

Communism used to be a real threat. After communist took over in China, the landlords are rounded up and killed, with their assets seized by the state.

The neighboring countries responded with their own right winged violence as well. The South Korean military government will shoot anyone without trial if they are young men found with Das Kapital kept at home.

The British government ruling Malaysia and Singapore fought with communist guerrillas in Jungle. If you are suspected to be a communist sympathiser you can be detained indefinitely without trial.

The “communists” today are pretty demusculinized and toothless. They look more like well-taken cared pampered teenagers looking for a rant.

 

[Panos Daras]

You have accidentally posted your pathetic whining on the fastlane forum. Here we eat difficulty for breakfast. We do not care how "unfair" the world is. We do what we want, and we create the life that we want.

Here's a link to reddit: r/FML

Have fun with the rest of your crying friends. See who can moan the loudest.

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@MJ DeMarco Have you considered adding a new forum rule against playing the victim / perpetuating socialist mindset?

Ad hominem, false dichotomies, and other unsubstantiated arguments. Written in a bro-marketing tone that people will like. I hope you mature and develop more compassion for your fellow humans. I am just stating things as I see them. I am not complaining. The thing is that to solve a financial problem and any problem whatsoever the first step is to DEFINE its existence. Now back to work!

 

[heavy_industry]

Ad hominem, false dichotomies, and other unsubstantiated arguments. Written in a bro-marketing tone that people will like. I hope you mature and develop more compassion for your fellow humans. I am just stating things as I see them. I am not complaining. The thing is that to solve a financial problem and any problem whatsoever the first step is to DEFINE its existence. Now back to work!

First learn what "ad hominem" means before you use this phrase.

The entirety of human civilization has been characterized by unspeakable violence, oppression, illiteracy, famine, disease and death.

Compared to what the human experience has been in the past, now we're living in F*cking paradise. By comparison, our current circumstances are nearly perfect. What modern civilization has given us today would have been unthinkable for our forefathers.

Anyone with internet connection and a working brain can become wealthy and turn their dreams into reality.

And what do most people choose to do with this freedom?

MOAN HARDER
Complain.
Point fingers.
Blame the system for not being perfect.

If that's what you want to do - great. Reddit is the place to go.

Here we're interested in learning to navigate the world and craft our own destinies. It's called fastlane, not victimlane.

 

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[Spenny]

I am just stating things as I see them.

I do not agree with this view. Nor do I agree with projecting what a market will look like in 40 years. I cannot even do that for 3 months, let alone 40.

I hope you mature and develop more compassion for your fellow humans

Ad hominem

Ironic.

There is no need to go back in history. Hardship is the norm now in most parts of the world.

But look how far we have come. Just as @heavy_industry says, violence rates are decreasing, we wage less wars, so many are being lifted out of poverty, we're continually developing tech that propels humanity forward, people don't just die from a simple cut that gets infected, less mothers die at child birth more than ever. Sure, it could be better, but my God aren't we a lot better than we were?

 

[Kevin88660]

I do not agree with this view. Nor do I agree with projecting what a market will look like in 40 years. I cannot even do that for 3 months, let alone 40.



Ironic.





But look how far we have come. Just as @heavy_industry says, violence rates are decreasing, we wage less wars, so many are being lifted out of poverty, we're continually developing tech that propels humanity forward, people don't just die from a simple cut that gets infected, less mothers die at child birth more than ever. Sure, it could be better, but my God aren't we a lot better than we were?

I guess it is expectation.

9-5 job, single earner family that can get a big house and bring kids up paying their uni education.

Everyone wants that. That’s not realistic.

But again if everyone gets that easily it is no fun anymore. Sometimes the joy is in the toil.

 

[Spenny]

9-5 job, single earner family that can get a big house and bring kids up paying their uni education.

I suppose so, but those were the days of black and white TV, no internet, wife beating, smoking was healthy, leaded petrol was legal, workers rights were no where near as prevalent (cotton factories & asbestos), unsafe cars (no crumpling, airbags or seatbelts), less availability for travel & racism/sexism was rampant.

I don't understand why people look back on these days fondly and forget all the bad. I know I'd 1000% pick today vs those days.

 

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[ZF Lee]

I studied economics so I have learned that leftist, rightist, neoliberal, or whatever politics you want to label them can be applied to a plethora of situations based on what you want to achieve. If as a society you want to have less criminal behavior, increased productivity, and innovation, it is a good idea to provide your people with support, meaning mental, healthcare, and financial. Yes, believe it or not, we have the capacity to do that as a species with the current technology in construction, agriculture, etc. Now please get out of Reddit and go produce something..anything!

As much as folks are taking pot-shots at you...I understand what you are getting at.

We all do want a more caring, thoughtful society that takes care of everyone's needs.

Unfortunately, no welfare system is perfect. Like what some have shared here before, you risk opening up a whole can
of problems with excess welfare. Things like this:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nN1HqAps4Y


Many of these issues were caused by fat bureaucrats (as well-meaning as they are) who haven't the time to get to the ground, and truly understand pain. Not like us.

The real cure is public investment, innovation and technological progress. Make the pie bigger.

Yes, I always believe that entrepreneurship IS the solution.

And it doesn't always have to be a multi-million brand.
You can apply entrepreneurial skills to solve community problems too.

I watched this video of India's mega kitchen in Kalinga Institute Of Social Science (KISS), an NGO school that caters
to some of India's most marginalised tribes:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wypm9BqRgy0


Look at all the massive cooking infrastructure and logistics used to feed thousands of students, day in and out.
Not to forget the school's own teaching facilities too.

There WAS an entrepreneur behind all of this,

The kicker was that it didn't even start that way.

I'll just copy-paste the school's background from their website:

'Odisha is known for its immense indigenous population, which comprises 24% of the total state’s population. Unfortunately, these communities remain one of the most marginalised and deprived in modern Indian society.

Dr. Achyuta Samanta, the founder of KIIT and KISS, realized the difficulty faced by tribal communities and attempted to empower them by founding KISS, in 1992-93.

The institute, which started with only 125 tribal students in a rented house, has spiraled into the world’s largest and only institute providing free education from Kindergarten to Post-Graduation and Doctoral Programmes with vocational and extracurricular training, free lodging and boarding, state-of-the-art facilities and indigenously controlled pedagogies exclusively to more than 80,000 indigenous students.

The foundations of KISS are based on Dr. Samanta’s dream of providing free and accessible holistic education to indigenous students across the country. With the availability of these opportunities, students of KISS have repeatedly proven remarkable in academics, sports and vocational activities earning global recognition in both academia and sports.'

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Remember, most of us aren't getting rich, just get over it. Your decisions mean nothing. Your actions mean nothing. Your drive and persistence mean nothing. Embrace luck, and just get yours while you can... (SARC)

HOT! - MINDSET - Most of us ain't getting rich, and that's okay

I'm not rich and I don't know if I'll ever get rich. If I said, "only %5 of the members on this forum will get rich", you'd automatically think that you're in that %5. And that's simply not true. You're probably not. I'm sorry. And that's completely okay. You don't need a private jet, a...

www.thefastlaneforum.com

 

[Private Witt]

A world of drones.

Agree with everything you said in that post, but hasn't a world of drones already been accomplished?

 

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[Black_Dragon43]

Agree with everything you said in that post, but hasn't a world of drones already been accomplished?

Sort of, I think we're part of the "golden generation" so to speak that caught the internet early, before the Stooges got their fingers in the pie. Hence our minds had the chance to be a lot more opened by the information we discovered than otherwise.

I think future generations won't have this luck, as the internet is getting more and more censored and restricted, often in ways that we don't even see.

To give you an example, I had no idea @MJ DeMarco is active on LinkedIn. I'm connected with him, hit the bell on his profile, and I NEVER see his posts. One time I accidentally came across one, and I was like WTF, MJ is active on LinkedIn? Then I liked the post, checked his profile to see if the bell was clicked (it was), and saw that he's quite active in posting there. But his content never gets shown to me, even though we're connected there + bell clicked. Go figure.

 

[Ubu_roi]

OK, let me go against the current here.

I believe that because of AI we are living an incredibly powerful time, where we are going to experience changes of the same magnitude as the invention of the press and the industrial revolution (or more recently, the internet).

I believe this will transform the way we work, learn, travel etc. Potentially also for the better, but... like any huge change that happened before, this will also create a lot of misery.

What I think is that the need to work will drop dramatically, and many people (40/50% of the working force?) will find themselves obsolete and with no job. Most of these people simply don't have the tools to adapt, recover and learn. What happens then? Also put into the picture all the "green" politics, with western government slowly limiting the consumption of goods in general (this is especially visible in Europe).

Unless we want to create a distopian future where half of the world is destined to be hungry and ill, I think the most realistic solution is a universal income, that should at least allow access to food, education and health care.

The question of course is: who pays? Well, once machines can do most of the work, is it that important?

Of course people creating value should keep earning more, and that's the incentive to be a producer, just like now.