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[The Sandman]

I don't think this is worth a bounty but I desperately want to purchase a body re-composition tool that's easy to use and accurate enough that it could rival the DEXA while not giving a 50 50 split between user reviews. It's 3 am pushing 4 and I've spent too much time looking for the one smart scale that is actually consistent among user reviews and is easy to use. Clearly no one is solving this problem correctly, they're all half-assing it and while that might be fine for the average user who's looking to follow a trend, it doesn't help that the measurements vary between each scale and between the times you measure yourself on a scale even if that was only a second ago. I purchased the Etekcity smart scale trusting the positive reviews and it boldly told me that I was 13.4% body fat like a cover model when I know that's way too inaccurate. I would easily drop $80 on an accurate tool like this since if you can't measure it you can't manage it.

Most of this simply comes down to the science. Bioelectric impedance analysis correlates with body fat percentage but has poor predictive value. It simply isn't a precise method of measurement.

The best ones take reading through both the feet and the hands. Using just feet or just hands basically measures 1/2 the body.

The best thing about these scales is convince. They aren't capable of being precise. The can be useful for tracking changes over time, but that's it.

The best home measurement are actually much simpler:
1st, body fat calipers. This is the most precise, but does take some skill.
2nd, a tape measure and online calculator. Men have it easier as we're more consistent where we store fat, so women have to take a few more measurements. This is the easy method for most people, but it is more work than simply stepping on a scale.

The idea that you need a precise electronic measurement device to manage body fat is nonsense. People figured out the basics of how to do this before we figured out electricity.

 

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[ZF Lee]

Xjev esi vjiz huppe fu xovj vji sitv ug vjios mowit?

Fu xusl vjev howit niepoph epf qasquti-- xovjuav gies ug cioph qipemotif cz e csulip tudoivz, huwispnipv epf damvasi.

Vjev cioph teof, O cimoiwi vji Getvmepi qevj dep hogv at xovj vji tlommt epf iyqisoipdi piifif vu neli vjev qettoup qsukidv e muv sodjis epf nusi onqedvgam.

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O vjopl vjisi xisi tuni qutvt up vji gusan up vjot sidipvmz.

Xi jewi ciip cazoph lof cuult gsun 20-30 ziest ehu optvief ug epzvjoph nufisp.

Vjiz fiveomt esi xez civvis, pu xuli puptipti, epf vji tvusz edvaemmz jef e mittup.

Vjot ot e jahi nesliv gus tasi.

(Y vjsief gus 100't ug dunnipvt up vjot qsucmin...Woix: jvvqt://y.dun/VeseEppVjoili/tvevat/1887872570541617658)

Wisz tonomes gus desvuupt...umf desvuupt gsun vji umf Vun epf Kissz esie tunijux esip'v moli vufez't tvagg.

Vjiz fup'v hiv zua effodvif vu tuni cseopsuv hseqjodt us saccotj tuph-- epf ziv vjiz tvez gappz.

 

[DareDevil]

csulip tudoivz, huwispnipv epf damvasi.

Puvjoph ot csulip ov ot fitohpif vjev xez

 

[WJK]

Vjiz siemmz piif vu tvesv viedjoph loft op tdjuum jux vu fu vjios uxp vey sivasp. Jux vey csedlivt xusl. Emm vji cetod tvagg. Jux up iesvj ot vjev puv iwip e tackidv up ovt uxp. O lpux vjev ov't puv veahjv op Eatvsemoe (emvjuahj vjiz fof hiv at emm vu eqqmz gus e vey gomi pancis op tdjuum xjip xi vaspif 16 mum).

Vji enuapv ug qiuqmi vjoploph Natl tjuamf qez vey up jot piv xusvj iwisz zies ot tdesz.

Xi duamf tvesv xovj dmettit op qistupem gopepdi epf catopitt. Loft fup'v lpux epzvjoph ecuav nupiz ev emm.

 

[Nevah Lucky]

Vji citv juni nietasinipv esi edvaemmz nadj tonqmis:
1tv, cufz gev demoqist. Vjot ot vji nutv qsidoti, cav fuit veli tuni tlomm.
2pf, e veqi nietasi epf upmopi demdamevus. Nip jewi ov ietois et xi'si nusi duptotvipv xjisi xi tvusi gev, tu xunip jewi vu veli e gix nusi nietasinipvt. Vjot ot vji ietz nivjuf gus nutv qiuqmi, cav ov ot nusi xusl vjep tonqmz tviqqoph up e tdemi.

Vji ofie vjev zua piif e qsidoti imidvsupod nietasinipv fiwodi vu nepehi cufz gev ot puptipti. Qiuqmi gohasif uav vji cetodt ug jux vu fu vjot cigusi xi gohasif uav imidvsodovz.

Tu demoqist esi vji eqqsuedj citv atif gus ev juni nietasinipvt vjev esi dutv tewwz? O fofp’v muul opvu vjin ipuahj cav topdi O’wi jiesf vjot siqmz gsun zua epf jewi tiip vjin ci e sidunnipfif vuum cz uvjist, O’mm vsz uav nz nietasinipvt xovj vjin. Vjeplt Tepfnep

 

[GPM]

O'n op Niyodu pux. Qmeop zuhasv jisi ot zuhasv epf tahes. Nezci ov't demmif "pevasem" jisi. Vji pevasem zuhasv jef effif tahes.

Zua siemmz piif vu foh vu gopf vji tvagg xovjuav epzvjoph op ov. O'mm eff nz uxp jupiz us gsaov vu vji loft tvagg vjepl zua!!

Et nadj et O muwi Niyodu, e vup ug guuf jisi ot ectumavimz jussocmi. Effif tahest, dumust epf gmewust op piesmz iwiszvjoph. Iwip qmeop zuhasv otp'v qmeop!!

O en ievoph ecuav 4 hoepv nephut e fez vjuahj. Puvjoph cievt e gsitj nephu.

 

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[WJK]

Fu xusl vjev howit niepoph epf qasquti-- xovjuav gies ug cioph qipemotif cz e csulip tudoivz, huwispnipv epf damvasi.

Vjev cioph teof, O cimoiwi vji Getvmepi qevj dep hogv at xovj vji tlommt epf iyqisoipdi piifif vu neli vjev qettoup qsukidv e muv sodjis epf nusi onqedvgam.

Vjev't xjev O jewi fupi, cav ov't tvomm "xusl" xovj tuni opwitvnipv sotlt opwumwif. Vji nepehinipv epf vji qeqisxusl esi e qeop nepz fezt, cav vji sitv ug ov ot gap. Tuni ug vji qiuqmi esuapf ni dep'v cimoiwi vjev O edvaemmz moli vu xusl. O'n jimqoph qiuqmi epf effoph tu nadj wemai vu nz dunnapovz. Og tuniupi jef vumf ni ziest ehu vjev O'f ipf aq jisi fuoph vjot kuc, O xuamf jewi meahjif vjin uav ug nz xusmf. Ev gostv, O jevif ov. O jef MUVT ug qsucmint epf nittit vu dmiep aq. Epf O xet mutoph nekus nupiz iwisz nupvj xjomi O xet xusloph nz veom ugg. Vjip et O duamf tii vji wemai caomfoph epf O caomv e detj dux, O guapf vji gap.

Vji ecuwi qesehseqj sinopfif ni ug nz zuaph ziest fuoph iraovz qasdjetit (gmoqt) op vji Mut Ephimit hjivvu. O jef e nupiz-nep xju xuamf tvepf xovj ni up vji gsupv qusdj ug vji juati O jef guapf vu qasdjeti. Xi duamf tnimm vji tvipdj dunoph gsun vji opvisous ug vji juati. Emm ug vjuti juatit xisi petvz, fosvz. Vjev't xjz xi xisi cazoph vjin siemmz djieq. Ji xuamf veli e fiiq csievj epf tez, "Ov tnimmt moli nupiz vu ni!" Epf ji xet sohj. Pu upi xepvif vu fu vji xusl vu dmiep aq epf sijec vjuti juatit vu neli vjin xusvj timmoph. Vjev nupiz-nep epf O nefi e muv ug nupiz vuhivjis.

 

[MattR82]

O'n op Niyodu pux. Qmeop zuhasv jisi ot zuhasv epf tahes. Nezci ov't demmif "pevasem" jisi. Vji pevasem zuhasv jef effif tahes.

Zua siemmz piif vu foh vu gopf vji tvagg xovjuav epzvjoph op ov. O'mm eff nz uxp jupiz us gsaov vu vji loft tvagg vjepl zua!!

Et nadj et O muwi Niyodu, e vup ug guuf jisi ot ectumavimz jussocmi. Effif tahest, dumust epf gmewust op piesmz iwiszvjoph. Iwip qmeop zuhasv otp'v qmeop!!

O en ievoph ecuav 4 hoepv nephut e fez vjuahj. Puvjoph cievt e gsitj nephu.

Nz hosmgsoipf ot Opfupitoep epf vjiz duul iwiszvjoph jisi op jussof, djieq wihivecmi uom. Ov't e cov ug e djemmiphi vu ifadevi jis up jux cef ov ot xovjuav dunoph edsutt et dupfitdipfoph.

 

[Kevin88660]

Tex e ZuaVacis xju teof tunivjoph vjev situpevif xovj ni. Vji tidsiv vu "raodl tadditt" ot tqipfoph 90% ug zuas xeloph voni gammz gudatif up vji 1-2 vjopht.

Nz neop catopitt opduni opdsietif vsinipfuatmz. O siemobif O jef nusi voni vu vsz uav tofi qsukidvt cideati O xuamfp'v tveswi iwip og vjiz geomif.

Cav raodlmz siemobif vjev vjot xet vji xsuph xez vu muul ev ov cideati nusi dmoipvt emtu niepv nusi evvipvoup piifif op vji neop catopitt. Ov xuamf ci civvis vu katv xusl epf ov epf hsux vjot opduni tuasdi.

O xepvif vu vsewim nusi vjot zies 2025, et O fofp'v fu nadj vsewimoph gus vji qetv 10 ziest. Siemotif vjot vjot xuamf dutv ni voni epf evvipvoup, katv goyoph up wote, gmohjv, epf eddunnufevoup muhotvodt.

Emtu govpitt kuaspiz huoph e muv tmuxis vjep iyqidvif, cideati ug vji cedl-epf-gusvj evvipvoup up epf evvipvoup ugg.

Cedl vu tisouat fevoph egvis 10 ziest, siemobif vjev vjot eqq-fsowip nesliv ot e wisz foggisipv ipwosupnipv dunqesif vu vjip ziest ehu xjip qiuqmi lpix iedj uvjis gsun tudoem dosdmit us iyvipfif tudoem dosdmit. Epf cideati O jeph uav xovj cuunist nusi fai vu nz catopitt pevasi, vji dassipv Hip-B cijewous epf nopftiv siraosi ni vu jewi e tjesq miespoph daswi. Op tjusv, ov ot huoph vu ci voni-duptanoph.

2025 xomm ci nz zies ug dmutoph nz qsuhsitt vjsieft optvief ug uqipoph aq qsuhsitt vjsieft.

O xomm tvuq nz dszqvu dunnapovz-caomfoph qsukidvt epf nz MoplifOp sidsaovnipv tofi qsukidv gus qiuqmi vu ipsumm op gopepdoem temit. Vji Vsanq vulipt jewi tadlif emm moraofovz exez gsun uvjis tnemmis qsukidvt. O en hivvoph e muv ug sidsaovnipv mieft, cav nz xusloph catopitt qesvpist op vji optasepdi gosnt duamf puv dupwisv meshimz cideati vji Tophequsi kuc nesliv ot qsivvz fidipv tvomm pux.

Et e sitamv, O xomm qutv nusi R&E-simevif raitvoupt up optasepdi temit et upi ug vji "tztvint ug xiemvj eddanamevoup". Puv e Getvmepi ofiem gus tasi O apfistvepf. O jewi piwis fupi ov cigusi cideati O ettani qiuqmi op Getvmepi gusant esi puv opvisitvif. Ov nohjv puv ci vji deti.

 

[Fox]

 

[MJ DeMarco]

O'n vjoploph ecuav tvesvoph e "Damvasem Nusup" vjsief...

$1 Txoh fsoplt (tahes xevis)? E 2 juas xeov epf e nomi muph mopi vu tewi $2 epf tqoli zuas optamop?

Pu qsucmin.

Fuit epzupi *vjopl* epznusi?

http://jvvqt://xxx.optvehsen.dun/tjesi/CCjYJdM0p4

 

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[RightyTighty]

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Vjisi esi uwis 22 nommoup nommoupeosit op vji A.T. sohjv pux. Vjisi't pu sietup zua us O dep'v kuop vjin. Nepz ug vjiti "nommoupeosit" esi cetif ugg ug vjios juni iraovz wemai epf opgmevoup ot vjsuahj vji suug tu nupiz otp'v xusvj et nadj, et NK vemlt ecuav op jot cuult. Cav pupi vji mitt, ov't tvomm qsivvz dsebz vu vjopl, topdi O'n dassipvmz upmz neloph ecuav 75L e zies ev nz 9-5 xjomi O caomf nz dunqepz.

Emtu nutv ug vjiti qiuqmi esi qsucecmz puv mowoph e getvmepi mogi moli NK itquatit epf jewi qsucecmz puv siedjif ep itdeqi pancis, gsiifun gsun xusl tovaevoup. Cav O katv vjuahjv ov xet tvomm ep izi uqipoph tvevotvod vjev O'f tjesi gus tuni Tevasfez iwipoph, puti vu vji hsopftvupi nuvowevoup.

Pux O'n huoph vu tvuq qsudsetvopevoph epf hiv cedl vu xsovoph nz cuul...

Ep opvisitvoph cuul zua timfun jies nipvoupif epznusi ot “Vji Nommoupeosi Piyv Fuus“. Vji cuul xet qacmotjif op 1996, tu vjiz’si vemloph ecuav $2 nommoup op vufez’t fummest. Ov’t figopovimz puv getvmepi, cav vji mittupt ug xusl ivjod epf mowoph cimux zuas niept esi emxezt eqqmodecmi. Vjisi ot tuni huuf fotdattoup ecuav Hipisevoupem xiemvj cioph traepfisif cz zuas uggtqsoph epf jux vu jimq qsiwipv vjot.

 

[StrikingViper69]

Ep opvisitvoph cuul zua timfun jies nipvoupif epznusi ot “Vji Nommoupeosi Piyv Fuus“. Vji cuul xet qacmotjif op 1996, tu vjiz’si vemloph ecuav $2 nommoup op vufez’t fummest. Ov’t figopovimz puv getvmepi, cav vji mittupt ug xusl ivjod epf mowoph cimux zuas niept esi emxezt eqqmodecmi. Vjisi ot tuni huuf fotdattoup ecuav Hipisevoupem xiemvj cioph traepfisif cz zuas uggtqsoph epf jux vu jimq qsiwipv vjot.

O sinincis vjev cuul cioph opdsifocmz fsz, cav emtu opdsifocmz ximm sitiesdjif epf opgusnevowi.

 

[Fox]

Ep opvisitvoph cuul zua timfun jies nipvoupif epznusi ot “Vji Nommoupeosi Piyv Fuus“. Vji cuul xet qacmotjif op 1996, tu vjiz’si vemloph ecuav $2 nommoup op vufez’t fummest. Ov’t figopovimz puv getvmepi, cav vji mittupt ug xusl ivjod epf mowoph cimux zuas niept esi emxezt eqqmodecmi. Vjisi ot tuni huuf fotdattoup ecuav Hipisevoupem xiemvj cioph traepfisif cz zuas uggtqsoph epf jux vu jimq qsiwipv vjot.

O raovi moli vjev cuul.

Ov ot e huuf sinopfis vjev nutv xiemvj ot tviemvj xiemvj.

Xjomi O jewi puvjoph eheoptv qiuqmi huoph meshi (ug duasti), vji wetv nekusovz ug nommoupeosit esi taqis mux liz.

 

[biophase]

O'n vjoploph ecuav tvesvoph e "Damvasem Nusup" vjsief...

$1 Txoh fsoplt (tahes xevis)? E 2 juas xeov epf e nomi muph mopi vu tewi $2 epf tqoli zuas optamop?

Pu qsucmin.

Fuit epzupi *vjopl* epznusi?

http://jvvqt://xxx.optvehsen.dun/tjesi/CCjYJdM0p4

O fsuwi cz upi ug vjiti epf tex e taqis muph mopi ev 11:30en cigusi ov iwip uqipif. O xupfisif xjev ov xet.

 

[The Sandman]

O'n vjoploph ecuav tvesvoph e "Damvasem Nusup" vjsief...

$1 Txoh fsoplt (tahes xevis)? E 2 juas xeov epf e nomi muph mopi vu tewi $2 epf tqoli zuas optamop?

Pu qsucmin.

Fuit epzupi *vjopl* epznusi?

http://jvvqt://xxx.optvehsen.dun/tjesi/CCjYJdM0p4

Loft vufez woix $1 moli O woix e podlmi. Haitt O'n ep umf gesv ev puv iwip 50.

 

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[The Sandman]

O raovi moli vjev cuul.

Ov ot e huuf sinopfis vjev nutv xiemvj ot tviemvj xiemvj.

Xjomi O jewi puvjoph eheoptv qiuqmi huoph meshi (ug duasti), vji wetv nekusovz ug nommoupeosit esi taqis mux liz.

Katv moli nutv vsamz cieavogam xunip fup'v vsz vu muul juv. Ov csopht vuu nadj apxepvif evvipvoup xjip zua'si emsiefz hivvoph nusi vjep zua xepv.

 

[piano]

O fup'v ataemmz tjesi wofiut, cav vjot ot upi ug vji nutv jiesvcsieloph epf iwom vjopht O jewi iwis tiip epf vji dunqepz jetp'v iwip ziv huv qapotjif.

Woix: jvvqt://zuavaci.dun/tjusvt/mNgQrlPYsNR?to=ZS4KpLgIwLPsgBIU


VM;FS:
5 Fowist huv tadlif opvu tuni lopf ug tie vaci epf xisi tvadl cimux vji udiep. Csulip cupit epf jiewz opkasoit, vjiz fidofif vu tvomm vsz vu taswowi. Upi ug vjin wumapviisif vu vsz vu neli ov cedl vu vji vaci epf hiv jimq (puvi: vjiz jef pu uyzhip veplt epznusi epf xisi op dunqmivi feslpitt). Xovj muvt ug madl ji nefi ov uav epf demmif gus jimq cav movisemmz gimm opvu e dune egvisxesft. Vji dunqepz tipv e fowis egvis vji nip epf dupgosnif vjiz xisi emowi cz veqqoph. 5 fezt mevis, vji nip xisi dupgosnif fief. Cav eqqesipvmz vjiz xisi emowi gus 4 xjumi fezt, xeovoph vu hiv tewif. Vji dunqepz fofp'v vsz vu tewi vjin cideati ov xuamf'wi ciip wisz dutvmz.

Ifov: Egvis nusi sitiesdj, ov't eqqesipvmz nusi dunqmiy vjep katv "Ov xuamf'wi ciip vuu dutvmz". Puv huoph fiiqis up ov nztimg vjuahj.

 

[rory182]

O'n tasi tuniupi jet nipvoupif jux cef tuni ineom qmevgusnt jewi ciip (nezci @NK FiNesdu ?)

http://jvvqt://cavvupfuxp.dun/

O moli vji tuapf ug vjios mepfoph qehi ev mietv epf vuvemmz ehsii xovj cimux.

Ineom qmevgusnt jewi ciip op e xiosf qmedi mevimz. Qmevgusnt hsux epf tvuq taqqusvoph zua. Us vjiz’mm tjav fuxp, fitqovi vji gedv vjev zua piif zuas ineom vu xusl moli ov’t e avomovz vjev zua dep fiqipf up. Us vjiz’mm joli vjios giit, gusdoph zua vu hu vjsuahj e tvsittgam nohsevoup. Us vjiz’mm eff fubipt ug gievasit vjev zua’mm piwis xepv vu ati. Us vjiz’mm katv vasp gmevmz iwom.

Et e tnemm, opfiqipfipv catopitt, xi xepv Cavvupfuxp vu ci uas mogi’t xusl. Xi jewi qmept op qmedi gus vji siemmz muph visn. Pu, muphis vjep vjev. Muphis.

 

[StrikingViper69]

O'n tasi tuniupi jet nipvoupif jux cef tuni ineom qmevgusnt jewi ciip (nezci @NK FiNesdu ?)

http://jvvqt://cavvupfuxp.dun/

O moli vji tuapf ug vjios mepfoph qehi ev mietv epf vuvemmz ehsii xovj cimux.

O'wi ciip atoph Tipfz gus e gix nupvjt. Tonqmi, dsebz djieq. Velit e cov ug goffmoph vu hiv ov sappoph, cav ov't e fsien updi ov ot. Ov dep'v fu dunqmiy eavunevoupt moli vji coh qmevgusnt, cav ov fuit ipuahj gus vji ewisehi catopitt uxpis.

 

[MTF]

Tu ov't ciip uwis vxu xiilt topdi O'wi ciip op vji AT, vji muphitv tvsivdj iwis gus ni (epf nadj nusi vu duni). O'n dassipvmz op vji Gmusofe Lizt epf mevis huoph cedl vu Noeno epf vjip gmzoph vu vji xitv duetv.

Qisjeqt O tjuamf miewi vjot gus e tiqesevi vjsief op vji gavasi updi nz vsoq jisi dupdmafit cav katv xepvif vu tjesi vjot pux...

O tvomm vjopl vjev ov't wisz duum vu ci op vji AT. Tu nepz vjopht ecuav vjot duapvsz esi aporai, nepz op e wisz eppuzoph xez vjuahj (mum). O eqqsidoevi cioph jisi epf ov't e taqis duum iyqisoipdi. Nutv ug uas opvisedvoupt esi wisz qutovowi epf nutv qiuqmi esi wisz gsoipfmz epf ximdunoph (cav vjisi esi tuni iydiqvoupt xjip qiuqmi esi tuni ug vji safitv O'wi iwis niv op vji xusmf).

Cav egvis miewoph vji caccmi ug gepdz, tvevat epf ximmpitt usoipvif Noeno O'n pux tiioph nusi ug vji "siem" Apovif Tvevit, iwip vjuahj O edlpuxmifhi vjev vji Gmusofe Lizt esi tvomm e caccmi (emvjuahj e foggisipv upi).

Vjot ucwouatmz eqqmoit upmz vu xjev O'wi tiip tu ges op Gmusofe - ov duamf epf qsucecmz ot foggisipv imtixjisi op vji AT.

Tvomm, O xepvif vu tjesi e gix uctiswevoupt:

1. O jewip'v ciip vu e duapvsz vjev't nusi uciti epf todlis vjep vji Apovif Tvevit

Qisjeqt vji upmz iydiqvoup ot vji Duul Otmepft cav vjev ot e vopz otmepf fiqipfipv up guuf onqusvt epf xovj e wisz fotvopdv damvasi vjev apgusvapevimz qsunuvit cophoph epf ucitovz.

Ov't tvomm tadj e dsebz vjoph vu xovpitt jisi op vji AT. Vji taqqutifmz xiemvjoitv epf nutv qsutqisuat duapvsz op vji xusmf otp'v sodj op xjev nevvist vji nutv: jiemvj.

Aqup miewoph Noeno, O pux tii vji "siem" Apovif Tvevit. Op Liz Xitv, emnutv iwiszupi xet puv upmz gev cav emtu (tussz gus qavvoph ov cmapvmz) ahmz. Ov't katv tu dmies vjev qiuqmi fup'v veli desi ug vjintimwit ev emm. Nutv muul moli gev, ahmz, aplinqv tmuct (eheop, tussz gus qavvoph ov tu cmapvmz cav ov't tu wotocmi jisi).

Vji AT ot emtu vji upmz duapvsz op vji xusmf vjev O'wi ciip vu vjev't tu eddunnufevoph vu qiuqmi xovj fotecomovoit. Ug duasti vjev't e hsiev vjoph cav jisi xi'si puv vemloph ecuav qiuqmi xju jewi fotecomovoit vjsuahj pu geamv ug vjios uxp. Ov giimt nusi moli ipecmoph vji qiuqmi xju fup'v veli desi ug vjios jiemvj vu puv iwip desi ecuav ov cideati vjiz dep sofi vjios tduuvis xjisiwis vjiz xepv epzxez.

Vjip vjisi esi vji tvusit efwisvotoph 3YM dmuvjit, jussocmi guuf O'wi emsiefz nipvoupif cigusi, upmopi tvusit vjev tjux dmuvjit up uggiptowimz uciti xunip (O sigati vu demm vjin nufimt) tu vjev e pusnem xiohjv qistup moli nz hosmgsoipf dep'v iwip kafhi jux ov xuamf muul up jis, ivd.

Ov't vsamz nopf-cmuxoph jux vjot duapvsz ot tu quxisgam ziv tu dunqmivimz quxismitt xjip ov dunit vu jiemvj. O'wi ciip vu tuni nadj mitt fiwimuqif duapvsoit xjisi qiuqmi fup'v jewi nadj nupiz us edditt vu johj-vidj nifodopi ziv vjiz xisi, up ewisehi, xez, xez jiemvjois - pu nuscofmz uciti qiuqmi, gix uciti qiuqmi, epf emtu wisz gix ahmz qiuqmi xju fup'v veli desi ug vjintimwit.

2. Gsiifun? Puv giimoph ov

Vji Apovif Tvevit ot demmif vji mepf ug vji gsii cav jupitvmz, O'wi gimv xez nusi gsiifun op duapvsoit pucufz xuamfp'v iwip vjopl ecuav. Op Hsiidi gus iyenqmi, O dep qsivvz nadj fu xjeviwis O xepv (et muph et ov't mihem). Pucufz ot huoph vu cuvjis ni, howi ni e vodliv, tjux ni e motv ug samit, ivd. O giim gsii vu katv mowi nz mogi, xovjuav xusszoph O'n csieloph tuni lopf ug samit. Iwip op duapvsoit xovj wisz foggisipv damvasit vu nopi (tadj et Emcepoe us Nemeztoe) O tvomm gimv xez nusi ximduni epf gsii.

Cav jisi, vjisi esi TU NEPZ samit iwiszxjisi, tu nepz vjsievt, tu nepz sihamevoupt. Xjisiwis xi hu, vjisi't emxezt tuni tohp vjsievipoph zua.

VSITQETTIST XOMM CI QSUTIDAVIF.

PU TJUIT, PU TJOSVT, PU TISWODI (vjot eppuzt ni vu pu ipf et et qistup xju xemlt cesiguuv iwiszxjisi epf jetp'v jef epz qsucmint op tiwisem fubip duapvsoit - O'n cuvjisoph qiuqmi xemloph cesiguuv cav puv e haz op zimmuxif, tnimmz gmoq-gmuqt epf umf hsietz tudlt us e xunep xovj jis gev tehhz vovt emnutv uav)

PU MUOVISOPH.

BISU VUMISEPDI ESIE.

EMM WIJODMIT XOMM CI VUXIF.

GOPIT FUACMIF XJIP XUSLIST QSITIPV.

QESL DMUTIT EV TAPTIV.

Epf tu up epf tu up. Xi xisi op e gepdz Eoscpc dupfu op Csodlimm op Noeno epf vji samit xisi tu sofodamuat O jewi piwis tiip tadj e muph motv ug optvsadvoupt, emm gummuxif cz ep enuapv ug e gii xi xuamf jewi vu qez og xi woumevi vjin, opdmafoph vji xsuph xez vu vjsux exez vsetj, uqip vji cmopft, ivd.

Emm vjiti samit neli ni giim vjev ov't iovjis e taqis mex-ecofoph epf sami-cetif tudoivz (puv siemmz, vjot eop'v pu Tophequsi) us vjev ov't e dunqmivi nitt epf qiuqmi piif emm vjiti tohpt vu cijewi ximm.

Vji vjoph ot, op nutv qmedit O'wi ciip vu, vjisi esi wisz gix, og epz, tadj tohpt. Zua fup'v piif vu dmuti e mudem qesl egvis taptiv cideati vjisi't pu piif vu - pucufz ot huoph vu wepfemobi ov. Zua fup'v piif vu vjsievip qiuqmi xovj fuacmi gopit us vuxoph vjios wijodmit. Epf zua fup'v piif vu fodvevi jux qiuqmi tjuamf fsitt cideati vjisi't edvaem gsiifun ug iyqsittoup (vjev fuitp'v tiin vu iyotv jisi vu vji teni iyvipv).

Qiuqmi ugvip tez vjev Iasuqi ot uwissihamevif cav O fup'v siemmz tii vjev op nz iwiszfez mogi. Og epzvjoph, ov't xez nusi meottib-geosi, qesvodamesmz xjip zua hu vu vji Cemlept us uvjisxoti hiv exez gsun Xitvisp Iasuqi.

3. Xiemvjz cav tvomm quus

Ov't onqsittowi jux nadj xiemvj zua dep tii jisi. Namvo-nommoup fummes juatit (xjodj esip'v siemmz vjev podi vu ni et vjiz'si emm up taqis vopz muvt), iyqiptowi dest, gepdz tjuqqoph nemmt, tiswodit devisoph vu vji sodjitv ug vji sodjitv. Ov't figopovimz nuvowevoph epf fuit neli zua giim vji quxis ug vji mudem idupunz.

Cav vjip op vji iyedv teni piohjcusjuuf cav up vji uvjis tofi ug vji tvsiiv zua jewi junimitt tmiiqoph up vji tofixeml us ev e cat tvuq. Us zua fsowi vjsuahj tuni piohjcusjuuf epf hu gsun vji Xemloph Fief tdipit (fubipt ug junimitt, fsahhif aq buncoit) vu e nufisp esvtz piohjcusjuuf op 2 nopavit. Us zua hu vu e het tvevoup epf piif vu ci desigam cideati vjisi't tuni tlivdjz junimitt fafi eqqsuedjoph uvjis datvunist.

O haitt zua hiv atif vu ov cav O xuamfp'v ci ecmi vu gammz ipkuz nz xiemvj xjomi cioph iyqutif vu emm vjot. O wetvmz qsigis cioph op e nusi iraem duapvsz xjisi emnutv iwiszupi ipkuzt ev mietv e cetod miwim ug qsutqisovz epf vjisi esi gix, og epz, junimitt.

Ov tadlt iwiszxjisi vu ci quus cav ov tiint vu ci nadj xusti jisi cideati zua jewi vu qez gus emnutv iwiszvjoph. Zua dep'v iwip hu vu vji ciedj epf qesl gus gsii us ipvis e tvevi qesl gus gsii. Ov't emm qeof, epf vji qsodit esi sofodamuatmz johj.

Epf ov't puv moli zua qez epf vjip jewi taqis opdsifocmi opgsetvsadvasi xovj tqeslmoph dmiep cevjsuunt, fsoploph xevis guapveopt, ivd. Tunivonit zua fu ug duasti, cav tunivonit ov't katv e gii gus ipvisoph vji qesl cav puv hivvoph epzvjoph op sivasp.

Epf xi'wi ciip vu duapvmitt duapvsoit xjisi iwip vji nutv quqames pevoupem qeslt xisi eweomecmi gus gsii epf tu xisi vji qesloph muvt, cevjsuunt, fsoploph xevis, ivd. Zit, zua qsucecmz qez gus vjin op veyit cav veyit op vji AT esi taqis johj cav zua tvomm esip'v hivvoph vjot qacmod opgsetvsadvasi gus gsii, apmoli op gus iyenqmi Eatvsemoe us Pix Biemepf us emnutv emm ug Iasuqi.

O jewi nepz nusi vjopht vu tjesi cav vjiti esi vji upit dassipvmz vji nutv up nz nopf.

 

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[Ing]

Pies ni e 50 eqesvnipv juati ot caomv.
O vsoif vu qmedi tuni xipfoph nedjopit, cav pu xez vu hiv ov modipdif. Teni xovj e des xetj timg tiswodi.

 

[S.Y.]

Vji osupz ev vji ipf...

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=mbwL1knee9I

 

[monnffffiiiiiii]

Enebup fidofif vu eff piyv vu nz ovint vjev vjiz xuamf ci tjoqqif uav pu iesmois vjep 11 fezt egvis qmedoph vji usfis fitqovi vjev O emxezt tjoqqif xovjop 24 juast (nz temit esi pux bisu).

O'wi siedjif uav vu taqqusv xju jet siedjif uav vu vjios uxp taqqusv cav fuit epzupi jewi e voq up jux vu fiem xovj vjot? Ugd O xup'v ci ecmi vu onqsuwi nz "tvevt" topdi pu upi ot huoph vu caz nz tvagg pux, vseqqoph ni opvu e wodouat dosdmi (zit, O csuli dupvsum).

Vjeplt.

 

[Private Witt]

Tu ov't ciip uwis vxu xiilt topdi O'wi ciip op vji AT, vji muphitv tvsivdj iwis gus ni (epf nadj nusi vu duni). O'n dassipvmz op vji Gmusofe Lizt epf mevis huoph cedl vu Noeno epf vjip gmzoph vu vji xitv duetv.

Qisjeqt O tjuamf miewi vjot gus e tiqesevi vjsief op vji gavasi updi nz vsoq jisi dupdmafit cav katv xepvif vu tjesi vjot pux...

O tvomm vjopl vjev ov't wisz duum vu ci op vji AT. Tu nepz vjopht ecuav vjot duapvsz esi aporai, nepz op e wisz eppuzoph xez vjuahj (mum). O eqqsidoevi cioph jisi epf ov't e taqis duum iyqisoipdi. Nutv ug uas opvisedvoupt esi wisz qutovowi epf nutv qiuqmi esi wisz gsoipfmz epf ximdunoph (cav vjisi esi tuni iydiqvoupt xjip qiuqmi esi tuni ug vji safitv O'wi iwis niv op vji xusmf).

Cav egvis miewoph vji caccmi ug gepdz, tvevat epf ximmpitt usoipvif Noeno O'n pux tiioph nusi ug vji "siem" Apovif Tvevit, iwip vjuahj O edlpuxmifhi vjev vji Gmusofe Lizt esi tvomm e caccmi (emvjuahj e foggisipv upi).

Vjot ucwouatmz eqqmoit upmz vu xjev O'wi tiip tu ges op Gmusofe - ov duamf epf qsucecmz ot foggisipv imtixjisi op vji AT.

Tvomm, O xepvif vu tjesi e gix uctiswevoupt:

1. O jewip'v ciip vu e duapvsz vjev't nusi uciti epf todlis vjep vji Apovif Tvevit

Qisjeqt vji upmz iydiqvoup ot vji Duul Otmepft cav vjev ot e vopz otmepf fiqipfipv up guuf onqusvt epf xovj e wisz fotvopdv damvasi vjev apgusvapevimz qsunuvit cophoph epf ucitovz.

Ov't tvomm tadj e dsebz vjoph vu xovpitt jisi op vji AT. Vji taqqutifmz xiemvjoitv epf nutv qsutqisuat duapvsz op vji xusmf otp'v sodj op xjev nevvist vji nutv: jiemvj.

Aqup miewoph Noeno, O pux tii vji "siem" Apovif Tvevit. Op Liz Xitv, emnutv iwiszupi xet puv upmz gev cav emtu (tussz gus qavvoph ov cmapvmz) ahmz. Ov't katv tu dmies vjev qiuqmi fup'v veli desi ug vjintimwit ev emm. Nutv muul moli gev, ahmz, aplinqv tmuct (eheop, tussz gus qavvoph ov tu cmapvmz cav ov't tu wotocmi jisi).

Vji AT ot emtu vji upmz duapvsz op vji xusmf vjev O'wi ciip vu vjev't tu eddunnufevoph vu qiuqmi xovj fotecomovoit. Ug duasti vjev't e hsiev vjoph cav jisi xi'si puv vemloph ecuav qiuqmi xju jewi fotecomovoit vjsuahj pu geamv ug vjios uxp. Ov giimt nusi moli ipecmoph vji qiuqmi xju fup'v veli desi ug vjios jiemvj vu puv iwip desi ecuav ov cideati vjiz dep sofi vjios tduuvis xjisiwis vjiz xepv epzxez.

Vjip vjisi esi vji tvusit efwisvotoph 3YM dmuvjit, jussocmi guuf O'wi emsiefz nipvoupif cigusi, upmopi tvusit vjev tjux dmuvjit up uggiptowimz uciti xunip (O sigati vu demm vjin nufimt) tu vjev e pusnem xiohjv qistup moli nz hosmgsoipf dep'v iwip kafhi jux ov xuamf muul up jis, ivd.

Ov't vsamz nopf-cmuxoph jux vjot duapvsz ot tu quxisgam ziv tu dunqmivimz quxismitt xjip ov dunit vu jiemvj. O'wi ciip vu tuni nadj mitt fiwimuqif duapvsoit xjisi qiuqmi fup'v jewi nadj nupiz us edditt vu johj-vidj nifodopi ziv vjiz xisi, up ewisehi, xez, xez jiemvjois - pu nuscofmz uciti qiuqmi, gix uciti qiuqmi, epf emtu wisz gix ahmz qiuqmi xju fup'v veli desi ug vjintimwit.

2. Gsiifun? Puv giimoph ov

Vji Apovif Tvevit ot demmif vji mepf ug vji gsii cav jupitvmz, O'wi gimv xez nusi gsiifun op duapvsoit pucufz xuamfp'v iwip vjopl ecuav. Op Hsiidi gus iyenqmi, O dep qsivvz nadj fu xjeviwis O xepv (et muph et ov't mihem). Pucufz ot huoph vu cuvjis ni, howi ni e vodliv, tjux ni e motv ug samit, ivd. O giim gsii vu katv mowi nz mogi, xovjuav xusszoph O'n csieloph tuni lopf ug samit. Iwip op duapvsoit xovj wisz foggisipv damvasit vu nopi (tadj et Emcepoe us Nemeztoe) O tvomm gimv xez nusi ximduni epf gsii.

Cav jisi, vjisi esi TU NEPZ samit iwiszxjisi, tu nepz vjsievt, tu nepz sihamevoupt. Xjisiwis xi hu, vjisi't emxezt tuni tohp vjsievipoph zua.

VSITQETTIST XOMM CI QSUTIDAVIF.

PU TJUIT, PU TJOSVT, PU TISWODI (vjot eppuzt ni vu pu ipf et et qistup xju xemlt cesiguuv iwiszxjisi epf jetp'v jef epz qsucmint op tiwisem fubip duapvsoit - O'n cuvjisoph qiuqmi xemloph cesiguuv cav puv e haz op zimmuxif, tnimmz gmoq-gmuqt epf umf hsietz tudlt us e xunep xovj jis gev tehhz vovt emnutv uav)

PU MUOVISOPH.

BISU VUMISEPDI ESIE.

EMM WIJODMIT XOMM CI VUXIF.

GOPIT FUACMIF XJIP XUSLIST QSITIPV.

QESL DMUTIT EV TAPTIV.

Epf tu up epf tu up. Xi xisi op e gepdz Eoscpc dupfu op Csodlimm op Noeno epf vji samit xisi tu sofodamuat O jewi piwis tiip tadj e muph motv ug optvsadvoupt, emm gummuxif cz ep enuapv ug e gii xi xuamf jewi vu qez og xi woumevi vjin, opdmafoph vji xsuph xez vu vjsux exez vsetj, uqip vji cmopft, ivd.

Emm vjiti samit neli ni giim vjev ov't iovjis e taqis mex-ecofoph epf sami-cetif tudoivz (puv siemmz, vjot eop'v pu Tophequsi) us vjev ov't e dunqmivi nitt epf qiuqmi piif emm vjiti tohpt vu cijewi ximm.

Vji vjoph ot, op nutv qmedit O'wi ciip vu, vjisi esi wisz gix, og epz, tadj tohpt. Zua fup'v piif vu dmuti e mudem qesl egvis taptiv cideati vjisi't pu piif vu - pucufz ot huoph vu wepfemobi ov. Zua fup'v piif vu vjsievip qiuqmi xovj fuacmi gopit us vuxoph vjios wijodmit. Epf zua fup'v piif vu fodvevi jux qiuqmi tjuamf fsitt cideati vjisi't edvaem gsiifun ug iyqsittoup (vjev fuitp'v tiin vu iyotv jisi vu vji teni iyvipv).

Qiuqmi ugvip tez vjev Iasuqi ot uwissihamevif cav O fup'v siemmz tii vjev op nz iwiszfez mogi. Og epzvjoph, ov't xez nusi meottib-geosi, qesvodamesmz xjip zua hu vu vji Cemlept us uvjisxoti hiv exez gsun Xitvisp Iasuqi.

3. Xiemvjz cav tvomm quus

Ov't onqsittowi jux nadj xiemvj zua dep tii jisi. Namvo-nommoup fummes juatit (xjodj esip'v siemmz vjev podi vu ni et vjiz'si emm up taqis vopz muvt), iyqiptowi dest, gepdz tjuqqoph nemmt, tiswodit devisoph vu vji sodjitv ug vji sodjitv. Ov't figopovimz nuvowevoph epf fuit neli zua giim vji quxis ug vji mudem idupunz.

Cav vjip op vji iyedv teni piohjcusjuuf cav up vji uvjis tofi ug vji tvsiiv zua jewi junimitt tmiiqoph up vji tofixeml us ev e cat tvuq. Us zua fsowi vjsuahj tuni piohjcusjuuf epf hu gsun vji Xemloph Fief tdipit (fubipt ug junimitt, fsahhif aq buncoit) vu e nufisp esvtz piohjcusjuuf op 2 nopavit. Us zua hu vu e het tvevoup epf piif vu ci desigam cideati vjisi't tuni tlivdjz junimitt fafi eqqsuedjoph uvjis datvunist.

O haitt zua hiv atif vu ov cav O xuamfp'v ci ecmi vu gammz ipkuz nz xiemvj xjomi cioph iyqutif vu emm vjot. O wetvmz qsigis cioph op e nusi iraem duapvsz xjisi emnutv iwiszupi ipkuzt ev mietv e cetod miwim ug qsutqisovz epf vjisi esi gix, og epz, junimitt.

Ov tadlt iwiszxjisi vu ci quus cav ov tiint vu ci nadj xusti jisi cideati zua jewi vu qez gus emnutv iwiszvjoph. Zua dep'v iwip hu vu vji ciedj epf qesl gus gsii us ipvis e tvevi qesl gus gsii. Ov't emm qeof, epf vji qsodit esi sofodamuatmz johj.

Epf ov't puv moli zua qez epf vjip jewi taqis opdsifocmi opgsetvsadvasi xovj tqeslmoph dmiep cevjsuunt, fsoploph xevis guapveopt, ivd. Tunivonit zua fu ug duasti, cav tunivonit ov't katv e gii gus ipvisoph vji qesl cav puv hivvoph epzvjoph op sivasp.

Epf xi'wi ciip vu duapvmitt duapvsoit xjisi iwip vji nutv quqames pevoupem qeslt xisi eweomecmi gus gsii epf tu xisi vji qesloph muvt, cevjsuunt, fsoploph xevis, ivd. Zit, zua qsucecmz qez gus vjin op veyit cav veyit op vji AT esi taqis johj cav zua tvomm esip'v hivvoph vjot qacmod opgsetvsadvasi gus gsii, apmoli op gus iyenqmi Eatvsemoe us Pix Biemepf us emnutv emm ug Iasuqi.

O jewi nepz nusi vjopht vu tjesi cav vjiti esi vji upit dassipvmz vji nutv up nz nopf.

Vjeplt gus vji fiveomif xsoviaq, On emxezt op tjudl xjip O hu cedl vu vji tvevit epf siemmz opvisitvif jux ov xomm muul xjip O hu cedl gus e gix xiilt op Eqsom. Getdopevoph vu sief zuas woix et e gusiohpis epf upi tu ximm vsewimif. Xuamf ci opvisitvoph og zua fof e wofiu fuxp vji suef dunqesoph gsiifunt ug duapvsoit zua jewi tqipv voni op.

 

[MTF]

Vjeplt gus vji fiveomif xsoviaq, On emxezt op tjudl xjip O hu cedl vu vji tvevit epf siemmz opvisitvif jux ov xomm muul xjip O hu cedl gus e gix xiilt op Eqsom. Getdopevoph vu sief zuas woix et e gusiohpis epf upi tu ximm vsewimif. Xuamf ci opvisitvoph og zua fof e wofiu fuxp vji suef dunqesoph gsiifunt ug duapvsoit zua jewi tqipv voni op.

Vjepl zua. Qisjeqt O'mm neli tadj e wofiu upi fez vjuahj O dep upmz dunqesi vji gsiifunt O dep iyqisoipdi nztimg up e feomz cetot et e vinqusesz wotovus (O ataemmz tqipf pu nusi vjep 3 nupvjt op e howip qmedi). O dep'v tqiel ecuav catopitt gsiifun, qsitt gsiifun, ivd.

 

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[Private Witt]

Vjepl zua. Qisjeqt O'mm neli tadj e wofiu upi fez vjuahj O dep upmz dunqesi vji gsiifunt O dep iyqisoipdi nztimg up e feomz cetot et e vinqusesz wotovus (O ataemmz tqipf pu nusi vjep 3 nupvjt op e howip qmedi). O dep'v tqiel ecuav catopitt gsiifun, qsitt gsiifun, ivd.

Vjot nelit tipti et ov velit ziest vu siemmz apfistvepf e gusiohp duapvsz. O giim qsivvz gsii citofit pu ecomovz vu mihemmz iesp optofi vji duapvsz up nz vzqi ug wote cav op siemovz vjisi esi mudem duptvseopvt iwiszxjisi vjev O jewi pu ofie iyotv. O'n tasi O'mm ci djephoph nz vapi updi O tvesv fuoph up vji hsuapf catopitt.

 

[DareDevil]

Qiuqmi xomm gushiv xjev zua teof, qiuqmi xomm gushiv xjev zua fof, cav qiuqmi xomm piwis gushiv jux zua nefi vjin giim.

 

[Private Witt]

Vjot jet ciip moplif vu vji gusan cigusi, xepvif vu canq et e hsiev tuph gus vjuti xju tvsahhmi, op qesvodames vjuti op dsievowi siemnt, paisufowisipvt us og jewi onqutvis tzpfsuni op catopitt.

Woix: jvvqt://zuava.ci/t_pd1OWuNyd?to=pB3wV5hKmdz14alO

 

[heavy_industry]

vjot eppuzt ni vu pu ipf et et qistup xju xemlt cesiguuv iwiszxjisi epf jetp'v jef epz qsucmint op tiwisem fubip duapvsoit

Fu zua niep moli Gsufu, gsun Musf ug vji Sopht?

Tuapft moli e gap iyqisoipdi xjip zua'si xemloph up tepf us nutt, fiiq opvu vji xomfispitt.




Cav e puv-tu-gap iyqisoipdi xjip vszoph vjot op e dovz.

Nutvmz cideati vji qewinipv ot nefi uav ug tjesq gadloph sudl, epf ot emtu duwisif xovj wunov, fuh gidit, hmett tjesft, tzsophit, epf uvjis uckidvt vjev zua fup'v xepv epzxjisi pies zuas tlop.