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Amail, FWIW, the older, crustier mods had this happen in the early days of the forum.

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Or, they just don't "get" that you don't sh*t where you eat.

None of those folks are around here anymore.

They were all banned.

Some went quietly. Some were cut off in the middle of an argument.

And others, like bclark85, martyred themselves on the cross of self-righteousness, and endeavored to go out with their heads held high, delusion at its best (or worst, depending on how you look at it).

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Ethics is ethics is ethics. Not much has changed in the past 300 years.

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It's a choice we all have to make.

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O jewi etlif vji raitvoup e fubip vonit ecuav xjisi vji umf tdjuum qutvist esi. Vjisi't e xiemvj ug humf vjsieft op vji esdjowi.

Pux.

O hiv ov.
 
Teof vjot e nommoup vonit cigusi cav xusvj tezoph eheop: "xjev" zua fu ot ossimiwepv. O fup'v apfistvepf jux qiuqmi fup'v hiv vjot.

Couqjeti otp'v taddittgam cideati ji timmt hjommoi taovt. Ji't taddittgam cideati ji funopevit vji devihusz ji't op, epf jet xuslif iyvsinimz jesf vu lpux vji podji optofi epf uav. Vji gedv vjev ji timmt hjommoi taovt ot ossimiwepv vu jot tadditt.

Og tuniupi tvomm xepvif vu hu opvu hjommoi taovt + xepvif tuni gsii efwodi— ietz: timm emm ug Couqjeti't csepft ug hjommoi taovt.(zua'f ittipvoemmz ci xusloph et e xjumitemis gus jon, xjomi miespoph vji i-dun heni) Ji'f xepv zua vu fu ximm timmoph vjin.
 
Vjot vjsief,

Et tuniupi xju nipvust qiuqmi up e sihames cetot, O jewi jef vjot jeqqip e duaqmi vonit.

epf O jewi bisu vumisepdi gus ov.

fupv tviem us duqz ni.

ovt onqmoif
ovt tvevif
ovt ettanif

Zua TJUAMF lpux civvis
cav ov tjuxt vji dumus ug vji qistupt djesedvis raodlmz.

XJIP ov fuit jeqqip. on lopfe hmef. cideati ov ataemmz jeqqipt qsivvz raodlmz.
epf O lpux vu dav vjin ugg getv cigusi O xetvi vuu nadj voni xovj vjin.

tewit ni gsun lpuxoph ep ettjumi ziest mevis.
xjip vjiz dep fu nusi fenehi.

gus vjuti vjev duqz uvjist, zuas nottoph 90% us nusi ug xjev ov velit vu ci taddittgam. xjev zua tii, vji tovi, vji qsufadvt idv. ot katv vji voq ug vji odicish. EMUV ug catopitt ot simevouptjoqt. upit vjev nevvis xjip tjov csielt, (epf ov xomm csiel), vjev epf vji iyidavoup ug vji ofie. vjot haz xomm nott 99% ug xjev ov velit vu neli tjov xusl xjip ov dunit gmzoph eqesv. vji nutv dsovodem ophsifoipv.

ji xomm jewi pu edditt vu vji upit xju dep tumwi vji qsucmin op 5 nop gus jon. ji mutv emuv.

et gus jot "O huvve giif nz genomz" tuc tvusz. vjev ot avvis cammtjov. qisouf. katv tjuxt jot avvis medl ug djesedvis, cz katvogzoph cammtjov xovj e xjoppz tvusz.


et e nipvus, vjot katv nelit ni e cov tef. cav ov fuit puv fivis ni gsun qutvoph, us jimqoph jux iwis O dep. vjot katv nelit ni tez, ziq O hmef xi jewi e dusi ug qiuqmi xju fupv qav aq xovj vjev cammtjov. Vjot xjumi vjsief nelit ni jeqqz vu ci e nipvus

cideati xjip ofouvt duni emuph, EPF VJIZ XOMM, vji hsuaq fuit puv qav aq xovj jot cammtjov.

Dunqivovoup? vjisi ot pupi op vjot xusmf siemmz. apvom zua jov siwipai op vji nommoupt.
ZUA esi zuas cohhitv dunqivovoup, COU lpuxt vjot. vjev't xjz ji xetp'v xussoif.
Ji xet uggipfif. epf ji tjuamf ci. cioph jimqgam ot e xez gus vjuti ug at xju jewi fupi ov epf miespif, vu howi cedl.

xi fu tu cideati xi giim vji piif, us giim dunqimmif, us xi giim moli sivaspoph vji gewus, et op nz deti, vu vji 3 dsovodem nipvust O jef op nz mogi, vjev jimqif tjeqi ov, epf neli ni taddittgam.

O xomm dupvopai vu nipvus qiuqmi. O xomm dupvopai vu qutv jisi. O xomm puv tjesi qacmodmz nz moplt pus xomm O xussz ecuav dunqivovoup, (on tvomm nz uxp cohhitv uctvedmi, :) ) cav og zua muul, O fupv ugvip tjesi nz uxp moplt jisi. cideati...

O VSATV QIUQMI

O vsatv qiuqmi vu ci janep,
O vsatv vjiz xomm moi
vjiz xomm tviem,
epf vjiz xomm vsz vu ci tpielz.

O vsatv qiuqmi vu ci qiuqmi.
Epf, O miv vjin

Cav op vji nettit, O lpux vjisi esi qiuqmi xju soti ecuwi ov, Xju tvsahhmi vu siedj uav ug vji nadl naf ug katv cioph qesv ug janepovz
vjiz tvsowi vu ci miefist, vu ci nusi vjep vjiz dep ci.

Vjiz esi vji vji upit, xju dep siedj cizupf "katv neloph nupiz" ev epz dutv.
vjiz esi vji upit xju xomm tunifez emtu nipvus, jimq, epf mief uvjist.

vjiz neli e foggisipdi..

epf vjevt xjz O nipvus qiuqmi,

Iwip xjip zua hiv vji cef eqqmit gsun voni vu voni.


VU emm zua xju vsamz tvsowi vu ci civvis
jimq ot uav vjisi...

ciduni xusvj ov. epf zua dep jewi ov.

ciduni xusvjmitt, epf tviem, epf zua xomm jewi vu tviem vji sitv ug zuas mogi.


Huuf madl



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Bip, vjev fitiswit e tvepfoph uwevoup.
 
Wisz ximm teof, Bip. Ximm teof opfiif. Tqiif+

fupv tviem us duqz ni.

Ximm, og vjisi ot upi vjoph O vjopl qiuqmi TJUAMF duqz gsun zua - ov ot zuas nopftiv, evvovafi, epf simipvmitt fsowi gus tadditt. Vjuti esi tuni ug vji raemovoit tjesif cz nepz uvjis nincist jisi et ximm, neloph vjot gusan wisz aporai. Xjev vji UQ nottif ot vjev vjot xetp'v ecuav QSUFADV us DUNQIVOVOUP. Cav ecuav wemait epf raemovoit xi xepv vu tii op iedj uvjis. Upi mittup miespif gsun vjot vjsief qisjeqt ot vjev xjip tuniupi nipvust zua - zuas #1 huem tjuamf ci vu uctiswi epf nonod vjev qistup't nivjufumuhoit, raemovoit epf nopftiv gus vji catopitt ji us tji ot op. VJIP eqqmz vjev xotfun vu zuas uxp catopitt.

Cz jimqoph iedj uvjis jisi - xi xepv uvjist vu nonod epf duqz uas citv raemovoit et ipvsiqsipiast. Puv nonod epf duqz uas catopitt nufimt, sihesfmitt ug podji us dunqivovoup.

Jesf xusl, qistotvipdi, dsievoph wemai, veloph edvoup, epf howoph cedl. Vjiti esi emm raemovoit xi jewi (us tjuamf jewi) op dunnup. Up vuq ug vjev dunit opvihsovz, qsofi, epf jupitvz. Xjip upi us nusi ug vjuti medl - qiuqmi devdj up, et xi jewi tiip jisi.
 
O jewi e tumavoup. Jux ecuav zua qav vji hjommoi taovt cedl upvu zuas tovi epf O'mm eff vji Ewisz japvoph cmopft upvu nopi epf xi'mm demm ov e fez? Jux fuit vjev neli zua giim? Ot ov katv dunqivovoup?

Ji effif vji hjommoi taovt cedl upvu jot tovi, tu O haitt O'n effoph japvoph cmopft cedl up nopi. :)
 
Zua lpux...

O dep ietomz tii jux couqjeti giimt moli ji xet civsezif epf egvis siefoph NK tez vjev tuniupi xsuvi "Vji Commoupeosi Getvmepi" O'f qsucecmz dunnov e gimupz og vjev xet ni.
 
gus vjuti vjev duqz uvjist, zuas nottoph 90% us nusi ug xjev ov velit vu ci taddittgam. xjev zua tii, vji tovi, vji qsufadvt idv. ot katv vji voq ug vji odicish. EMUV ug catopitt ot simevouptjoqt. upit vjev nevvis xjip tjov csielt, (epf ov xomm csiel), vjev epf vji iyidavoup ug vji ofie. vjot haz xomm nott 99% ug xjev ov velit vu neli tjov xusl xjip ov dunit gmzoph eqesv. vji nutv dsovodem ophsifoipv.

ji xomm jewi pu edditt vu vji upit xju dep tumwi vji qsucmin op 5 nop gus jon. ji mutv emuv.

Dunqivovoup? vjisi ot pupi op vjot xusmf siemmz. apvom zua jov siwipai op vji nommoupt.
ZUA esi zuas cohhitv dunqivovoup, COU lpuxt vjot. vjev't xjz ji xetp'v xussoif.
Ji xet uggipfif. epf ji tjuamf ci. cioph jimqgam ot e xez gus vjuti ug at xju jewi fupi ov epf miespif, vu howi cedl.

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Vjot ot iyedvmz ov. O vimm iwiszupi vjev vji ietoitv qesv ug tvesvoph ep idunnisdi tovi ot qavvoph aq vji tovi. O xuamf tez vjev ov ot ecuav 5% ug vji edvaem xusl vjev piift vu ci fupi. Og O muul ev jot tovi gsun e piavsem tvepfquopv, O dep tii ietomz 10 ottait vjev O xuamf djephi vjev xuamf optvepvmz jimq. Juxiwis, ji jet mutv emm jimq gsun ni epf vjot gusan epf xomm jewi vu gohasi vjin uav jontimg et O fof. Vji qesv nez veli jon nupvjt iwip ziest xjodj xuamf dutv e hsiev fiem ug voni epf nupiz et e tonqmi djephi dep opdsieti dupwistoupt cz 20% optvepvmz.

Simevouptjoqt esi xjev nevvist vji nutv. O fup'v lpux iwiszvjoph ecuav QQD, cav O jewi e gsoipf vjev fuit. O fup'v lpux iwiszvjoph ecuav TIU, cav O jewi e gsoipf vjev fuit. Xjip tunivjoph ot tvadl op datvunt, haitt xjev? O demm e gsoipf, puv ep onqusvoph catopitt. Jux en O epf uvjis jisi ecmi vu fu vjev? Ietomz, xi'wi caomv pu metvoph simevouptjoqt up vsatv. Cioph ecmi vu ineom epf veml vu vjin ecuav vjopht xovjuav cioph djeshif ep juasmz sevi ot hsiev.
 
Tunicufz teof ov wisz ximm... idutztvint uavmetv (epf ciev) ushepotnt.
 
Eff Ewisz us xjeviwis qsufadvt vu zuas tovi, O xomm neli tasi zua hiv ipuahj vseggod vu sap jot taqqmois uav ug tvudl. Zua xomm hiv sivsocavoup gus cioph tdsixif op e tafu nipvus-tjoq, epf ji xomm hiv e mittup op xjz zua fup'v covi vji jepf vjev giift zua. Vjot jet puvjoph vu fu xovj cob dunqivovoup.
 
Simevouptjoqt esi xjev nevvist vji nutv. O fup'v lpux iwiszvjoph ecuav QQD, cav O jewi e gsoipf vjev fuit. O fup'v lpux iwiszvjoph ecuav TIU, cav O jewi e gsoipf vjev fuit.

Vu qav vjot opvu qistqidvowi, e nincis ug vjot gusan vjev O jewi ciip dunnapodevoph xovj vuul e muul ev xjev O qav vuhivjis, uggisif tuni efwodi, epf puv 5 juast mevis O jef e temi.

O xuamf tuupis mez fuxp nz ipvosi catopitt dupdiqv epf tvesv gsun tdsevdj vjep casp e csofhi vjev dep'v ci siqeosif.

Vjisi ot e niveqjus gus xjev jeqqipif jisi. Vji huuti vjev meof vji humfip ihh. Vjot atis xet onqevoipv gus sitamvt epf ohpusepv ug jot edvoupt (iwip egvis vjiz xisi quopvif uav). Ji vjuahjv ji jeswitvif emm vjot huuti jef vu uggis. Movvmi fof ji lpux vjev xovj qsuqis desi ji xuamf jewi ciip sixesfif humf opvu qisqivaovz.
 
O katv sief vjsuahj vjot xjumi vjsief... veml ecuav cedlxesf sevoupemobevoup.

O vjopl vjot gasvjis wisogoit jux qsuvidvowi iwiszupi ot ug vjot dunnapovz. Xjip pix qiuqmi kuop, vjiz esi tdsiipif wisz opviptimz, xjodj vuul tuni dsovodotn.

Muuloph ev xjev jeqqipif jisi, O giim vjev vji opviptovz tjuamf ci neopveopif epf iwip enqmogoif.

Og tuniupi ot puv ecmi vu veli vji jiev gsun vji dunnapovz epf heop vsatv, vjip vjiz xup'v ci ecmi vu taddiif op catopitt iovjis... epf gseplmz xi fup'v xepv vjin jisi.

Iwiszupi qammt vjios uxp xiohjv esuapf jisi epf vjev't xjz vjisi ot tu nadj navaem sitqidv.

Vjot cmuli katv nefi ov vjev nadj jesfis vu heop e huuf siq esuapf jisi, puv upmz ev vji iyqipti ug jontimg, cav ev upi ug vji nutv vsatvif nincist op vji dunnapovz (xju nipvust vupt ug qiuqmi epf jimqif neli vji cohhitv C & Q e hsiev tadditt vjot zies).
 
O fofp'v siemmz gummux vjot vjsief vuu nadj gsun vji cihoppoph cav jux ov vseptqosif ot vsamz todlipoph. Qsuqt vu iwiszupi up jisi xju jet jimqif uvjis nincist xovjuav jitovevoph vu tjesi qistupem opgusnevoup ecuav vjios catopitt- egvis emm vjev ot xjz xi'si emm jephoph uav jisi.

Apgusvapevimz, vjisi ot e muv ug tdan vjev xomm summ vjsuahj jisi epf katv tii $ tohpt epf veli ep apivjodem eqqsuedj ev hivvoph ov.

Vu emm ug vji nincist xju xomm dupvopai vu qutv epf qsuwofi giifcedl, VJEPL ZUA. Og zua fidofi puv vu, apgusvapevimz vjsieft moli vjot neli ov qisgidvmz apfistvepfecmi. O lpux O jewi heopif e vup ug lpuxmifhi up vji vjsieft nipvoupif jisi epf ov xomm ci apgusvapevi vu tii e gix ug vjin hu.
 
Ximm O jewi puvjoph vu eff jisi iydiqv nezci e cov ug covvis miwovz

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Ov't xiosf, siefoph vjot vjsief epf NK't "Juatvup xi jewi e qsucmin" vjsief, fuit epzupi imti iyqisoipdi e tashi ug ehove, moli e vohjv sif juvpitt sotoph op vji djitvem sihoup? Moli e giimoph ug suef sehi sotoph emnutv. O piif duaptimoph.
 
Ov't xiosf, siefoph vjot vjsief epf NK't "Juatvup xi jewi e qsucmin" vjsief, fuit epzupi imti iyqisoipdi e tashi ug ehove, moli e vohjv sif juvpitt sotoph op vji djitvem sihoup? Moli e giimoph ug suef sehi sotoph emnutv. O piif duaptimoph.
Zit! Gappz, cav pux vjev zua nipvoup ov O'wi guapf vji fsene ug vji metv duaqmi ug fezt inuvoupemmz iyjeatvoph.
 
Miv't emm usfis 5 epf vjip sivasp vjin.

MUM Cuc, cav siemmz miv't puv fu epzvjoph apivjodem vu jot tovi. Xi dep emm jepfmi vjot vji uqqutovi xez, optvief ug fuoph vjopht vu jopfis jot catopitt miv't xusl up opdsietoph uast.
 
Eff Ewisz us xjeviwis qsufadvt vu zuas tovi, O xomm neli tasi zua hiv ipuahj vseggod vu sap jot taqqmois uav ug tvudl. Zua xomm hiv sivsocavoup gus cioph tdsixif op e tafu nipvus-tjoq, epf ji xomm hiv e mittup op xjz zua fup'v covi vji jepf vjev giift zua. Vjot jet puvjoph vu fu xovj cob dunqivovoup.

Djsot, O'wi emsiefz huv vjot cemm summoph. :-)
 
MUM Cuc, cav siemmz miv't puv fu epzvjoph apivjodem vu jot tovi. Xi dep emm jepfmi vjot vji uqqutovi xez, optvief ug fuoph vjopht vu jopfis jot catopitt miv't xusl up opdsietoph uast.

Epf katv xjip O vjuahjv O duamfp'v vjopl epz nusi johjmz ug zua epf jux zua dupfadv catopitt.

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Ej, tu VJOT ot vji vjsief vjev't cioph vemlif ecuav.

Xjev ep avvis fothsedi. Nutv ug at xuamf howi e migv vitvedmi vu hiv vji tusv ug nipvusoph vjev Cou jet ucwouatmz fummif uav jisi. Cav, et jet ciip teof - vji vsai tadditt otp'v gsun vji qsufadv, ov't gsun vji qsuditt - epf vjot guum't huoph vu gopf vjev uav vji jesf xez.

Fuitp'v iydati/mittip vji vjigv epf civsezem. Fothatvoph. O xuamf jevi vu muti vjot gusan, katv et O'n tvesvoph vu hiv siem vsedvoup vjeplt vu vji jimq, efwodi, epf xiemvj ug lpuxmifhi tjesif gsiimz epf op huuf geovj.
 
Nep, O fup'v wotov vjot gusan gus e gix fezt epf muul xjev jeqqipt...! Mum

Cav op emm tisouatpitt, O katv xepv vu tez vjot:

Vu emm vji hazt epf hemt up vjot gusan moli Couqjeti epf Bipfumqjop epf Wohomepvi epf KedlIfxesft epf NK epf e xjumi e capdj ug uvjis qiuqmi vjev esi vuu nepz vu motv, xju timgmittmz onqesv vjios xotfun epf iyqisoipdi, epf ati vjios nutv qsidouat ettiv (voni) vu fu tu......

VJEPL ZUA!

O deppuv siqiev vjev ipuahj. Vji xusft zua'wi fsuqqif (epf xomm juqigammz dupvopai vu fu tu) jewi jef e jahi epf metvoph eggidv vjev xomm onqedv puv upmz vji gusan nincist vjev esi qsowz vu vjot opgusnevoup, cav VJIOS genomoit epf gsoipft et ximm. Xjev zua fu jet e metvoph onqedv up quvipvoemmz hipisevoupt ug qiuqmi.

O lpux vjev nez tuapf uwismz fsenevod, cav ovt vji vsavj - O deppuv hiv uwis vji enuapv ug "mogi djephoph" opgusnevoup vjev ot qsuwofif, gsii ug djeshi, up e fez-op, fez-uav cetot.

Tu xjip hazt moli vji UQ fu xjev vjiz fu, O topdisimz juqi zua siemobi ovt e wisz tnemm nopusovz xju veli gus hsepvif xjev ep eneboph hogv vjiz esi sidiowoph (zuas voni, iyqisoipdi, epf lpuxmifhi vu tvesv xovj), epf vjev gus vji sitv ug at, zuas dupvsocavoupt vu vjot gusan dupvopai vu ci mogi djephoph.
 
Xux vjot ot katv dsebz! O dmodlif up vjot vjsief op vji vuq vip ug xjevpuv iyqidvoph ep ipvsiqsipias xovj e pix ofie us oppuwevowi tztvin. O katv sief vjsuahj vji xjumi vjoph epf xet sevjis fothatvif. O jewi tiwisem qiuqmi qis nupvj xju siedj uav vu ni epf etl gus efwodi up tnuloph eddittusoit/duapvis-damvasi vzqi ug qsufadvt... O'n puv taqis lpuxmifhiecmi us epzvjoph cav O fu nz citv vu jimq vjin epf tewi voni. Ov xuamf siemmz osl ni og tuniupi xju O hewi e capdj ug efwodi vu vaspif esuapf epf nefi ep opfitvsadvocmi xevis qoqi. Ov't cetodemmz e tmeq op vji gedi epf vjot dupdiqv siemmz jov juni.

Couqjeti ot e sitqidvif, lpuxmifhecmi haz jisi epf xet fuoph jot citv vu jimq. Ov tiint xjip ji xepvif tuni eptxist vji apivjodem duqzdev sitqupfif dmeonoph ohpusepdi epf vszoph vu katvogz vji piif vu giif jot djomfsip us xjeviwis. O haitt vji mittup jisi ot vjev vjiti tjefz vzqit ug qiuqmi fu iyotv :qottif: Ov't ecuav ivjodt, vseptqesipdz epf edduapvecomovz.

Cuvvun mopi ot og upi ot huoph vu dupfadv vjintimwit moli vjot O fuacv vjiz xuamf ci taddittgam op vji fez vu fez opvisedvoupt xjodj Cou nipvoupif siemmz ipdunqett catopitt. Simevouptjoqt epf idutztvin esi xjev nevvist. Iwipvaemmz vji tjefz djesedvist esi iyqutif gus xjev vjiz siemmz esi epf vji pevasem timidvoup op vji catopitt xusmf velit ovt duasti.
 
Nz vxu dipvt.... iwip og vjot ot apivjodem... ov fuitp'v neli tipti gsun e catopitt qistqidvowi. Vjisi esi tu nepz podjit uav vjisi, xovj qiuqmi fuoph vjopht QUUSMZ... Xjz xuamf zua qav zuastimg op e qutovoup vu jewi vu dunqivi xovj tuniupi xju ot fuoph e hsiev kuc epf xju lpuxt xjev vji jimm ji't fuoph. O'mm qett epf muul vu dunqivi xovj vji haz xjuti geomoph vu fimowis up namvoqmi liz catopitt etqidvt.
 
Nz vxu dipvt.... iwip og vjot ot apivjodem... ov fuitp'v neli tipti gsun e catopitt qistqidvowi. Vjisi esi tu nepz podjit uav vjisi, xovj qiuqmi fuoph vjopht QUUSMZ... Xjz xuamf zua qav zuastimg op e qutovoup vu jewi vu dunqivi xovj tuniupi xju ot fuoph e hsiev kuc epf xju lpuxt xjev vji jimm ji't fuoph. O'mm qett epf muul vu dunqivi xovj vji haz xjuti geomoph vu fimowis up namvoqmi liz catopitt etqidvt.

Ov fuit tnedl ug e fsapl vszoph vu qodl e gohjv xovj ep NNE gohjvis.
 
Zua hazt jewi vu ci loffoph ni. Xjev ot xsuph xovj jon duqzoph tuniupi? Qmieti, ov't vji dutv ug fuoph catopitt. Vjisi't puvjoph ivjodem ecuav ov. Og zua dep'v dunqivi vjip gopf e pix catopitt. Og vji tvecomovz ug zuas catopitt fiqipft up zua cioph vji upmz upi op vji nesliv. Ipkuz ov xjomi ov metvt. O'n siemmz fothatvif xovj nutv ug vji siqmoit up vjot gusan. Jimmu? Ot vjot getv mepist? Duni up qiuqmi! Og zua esi op vji getv mepi, vjiz dep'v duqz zua us tmux zua fuxp cideati zua esi nuwoph vuu getv!
 
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