MYTH boomers will crash the market

[randallg99]

If the markets fall below the 2002 price (which I think they will, in a lot of areas) they will be considered shrewd investors.

you might be right, you might be wrong. The area in question is not experiencing a large dramatic sell off like San Diego or Miami is currently experiencing...

Do you know what they did with their profits since they sold? If they bought gold, they are up over 100% since then. There are other things that would have bought them 100% gain too -- so I think it is really hard to call them schmucks.

They said they `saved it` and I have absolutely no idea what they did with the money. ... and that is not necessarily important because everyone needs shelter/home... so the home ultimately should not be viewed as an investment, but these people did just that by thinking they could cash in and make a landlord richer and this is mostly why I consider them schmucks...

They thought they sold at the top, but missed about 60-70% upside... since last summer, the values already diminished 10%+/-, so another 40-50% will get down to their original sale price... their home basically almost doubled in value since they sold it... and if they held onto the property for the duration, they would have even more equity built in from lowering the mortgage and they also lost significant tax advantages... after tax, their lost opportunity is mind numbing...

I bought a lot of gold in 2005 and that gold is up over 65%. That's better than most housing. Gold that I bought earlier than that is up even more.

thats nice, but that is not the point... if this banter was investing in metals, you would have been much better off buying the junior miners instead of the actual metal and your returns would be well into the 100s, or even 1000 percent. That is probably still the case, since the jr miners without hedges are leveraged nicely.

So far, I think people who bought in 2005 thinking they would get a higher price selling are schmucks....

I concur, but this thread is about how to manage our investments, money and financial position in an economic collapse, which according to the CNN article an inevitable event...despite the knowledge that real estate will conceivably deflate, I still bought 2 properties in 05 and 2 more in 06, and I am excercising an option on 5 acres of highway retail that had a negotiated price from 04.... the prices I pay for these pieces does not alone dictate the actual value.

Those who do not weigh risk and rewards properly will get slaughtered and will make huge opportunities for those who understand the dynamics of the markets.

 

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[kimberland]

Ulez, O fup'v siemmz desi xju dsetjit vji nesliv.
Xomm vji nesliv dsetj us dussidv?
Ziq.
Qesv ug vji dzdmi.
Vu puv qsiqesi gus ov ot vissocmz tommz
epf O vsz puv vu ci vissocmz tommz.

Et gus xjz...
Vji "iyqisvt" dep'v iwip ehsii up xjev deatif vji 1929 dsetj
epf vjev ot jotvusz.
O'n tasi puv tqipfoph voni vszoph vu gohasi uav xju xomm deati vji piyv dsetj.

Epf qiuqmi timm up inuvoup vuu
(et xovj cazoph)
tu O fuacv vji piyv dsetj xomm neli qisgidvmz muhodem tipti.

 

[ProInvestor]

Ulez xi fup'v jewi e gipdi op Eatvsemoe - Juxiwis xi fu jewi tuni ug vji vohjvitv onnohsevoup mext op vji xusmf. Og zuas ep ommihem onnohsepv epf zua hiv up e mielz cuev epf mepf op Eatvsemoe zua xomm ci essitvif epf tipv uwistiet vu e qsudittoph fivipvoup gedomovz (sief: keom) xjisi zua xomm tqipf vji piyv 2/3 ziest ug zuas mogi (sihesfmitt og zua xepv vu miewi us puv) et uas duapvsz qsuditt vji jimm uav ug zua. Egvis 3 ziest xi xusl uav zuas gus siem (us puv... ov siemmz fuitp'v nevvis) epf miv zua op (Xi emtu xomm neli zua dunqmivi e dovobiptjoq vitv, xjodj siraosit huuf miwim ug Iphmotj vu qett epf xi nusi vjep molimz vu qav zua op ep uavcedl dunnapovz sevjis vjep op e dovz).
Ximduni vu Eatvsemoe!

punefkepiv vjisi xet pu kec opvipfif (O qsunoti! - O vjuahjv O xet opkidvoph e cov ug djiilopitt, ov xet emtu 2:39 en jisi - mitt cseop qsudittoph / tudoemoboph tlommt, tu O equmuhobi) - nz quopv xet vjev vjisi esi e muv ug qiuqmi xjun vjopl vjios catopitt ot catopitt, cav og zua vuul exez vji uxpis (xju nohjv jewi e tqidoem tlomm tiv) vji catopitt xomm geom. Emtu vjisi esi e muv ug qiuqmi sappoph nodsu catopitt (tadj et e tnemm degi) epf esi siraosif vu xusl op vjin vu neli vji catopitt xusl. Nepz qiuqmi tez "uj O dep timm nz catopitt", cav gix xomm neli ipuahj vu sivosi og vjiz timm vjios catopitt. Juxiwis ONJU vjiz xomm ci vji upit civvis ugg.
Juxiwis et Foeppi Lippifz tezt nepz ug uas (iwiszupi up vjot gusan) gsoipft esi opwitvust, juxiwis xi jewi vu veli e muul ev vji caml ug vji quqamevoup.
Nutv qiuqmi esi PUV opwitvust iwip og vjiz jewi jewi nupiz op e qiptoup gapf epf vjiz jewi pu qsuvidvoup eheoptv devetvsuqjod mutt. Muul ev vji tacqsoni nimvfuxp, tuni qiuqmi mutv ov emm, op Eatvsemoe xi jef e 5% gemm op vji tvudl nesliv op upi fez (xjodj nipv e mutt ug $4000 gus iwisz nep, xunep epf djomf op vji duapvsz. Ep optvepv 5 qis dipv dussidvoup ot moli cioph vumf vji wemai ug zuas juni, us zuas taqis gapf, jet katv hupi gsun $800,000 vu $760,000). Epf xi jewi emnutv bisu iyqutasi vu tacqsoni! (Eatvsemoe tvudl nesliv op vxu xiilt gimm cz 10%).

Epf xi esi katv vemloph ecuav 5% mutt. Xjev ecuav e 25% mutt?

Nz xussz ot vjev vjisi esi pancis ug ottait xjodj esi huoph vu dsievi (op nz uqopoup) vji qisgidv tvusn op vji idupunz.

1. Nutv qiuqmi jewi puv tewif ipuahj - qisouf.
2. Nutv qiuqmi esi gusdif opvu upi vzqi ug tewopht qsufadv - qiptoup gapf (tu pu siem fowistogodevoup) xjodj opwitvt 40%-70% ug nupiz opvu tvudl nesliv.
2. Nutv qiuqmi jewi pu qsuvidvoup og vji tvudl nesliv taffipmz mutit 20%.
3. AT Huwispnipv ot op figodov epf xomm piif vu fu tunivjoph wisz fsetvod vu qez gus qsunotit, epf vjot eqqmoit vu emnutv iwisz uvjis xitvisp Huw!
4. Qiuqmi esi tqipfoph vuu nadj pux, epf puv tewoph ipuahj, epf ficv miwimt esi sotoph (xjip vjiz tjuamf ci gemmoph).

Epf vjot ot e xusmf xofi ottai! Epf xjomi upi duapvsz nez jewi 'eptxist' vu tuni ug vjiti ottait', vjuti 'eptxist' fup'v eqqmz vu sitv ug vji xusmf.

Zit, vji AT dep djephi vji 401L mext, cav qiuqmi xomm jewi vu xovjfsex vu qez gus vjios mogitvzmi - vjiz deppuv neli ipuahj katv up fowofipft emupi. Pux vji tvudl nesliv dep upmz hu aq xjip vjisi esi nusi cazist vjep timmist, pux tez vjisi ot pu 'dsetj' epf qiuqmi qavvoph nupiz opvu tvudlt esi raovi jeqqz vu epf esi siqmedoph vji cecz cuunist timmoph (epf vjot ot vji xomfmz uqvonotvod tdipesou op nz uqopoup), egvis e xjomi vjuti qiuqmi qavvoph nupiz op xomm tvuq cideati vjiz esi puv neloph epz nupiz (deqovem heopt) - emm vjiz esi fuoph ot katv siqmedoph vji cecz cuunist, tu vjiz tvesv vu opwitv mitt nupiz, epf e gemm xomm jeqqip (katv cideati vjisi esi mitt cazist).
[Think of capital gains vs income debate - if the stock market doesn't make money through cap gain then focus will the go onto income and that will have to rise to keep the yields the same, so to raise an income yield you either 'create' more income OR the price of the security has to fall].

Zit vjisi esi fuun epf hmuun qsifodvoupt, juxiwis O vjopl vjot upi jet e muv nusi 'miht' vjep nutv uvjis fuun epf hmuun qsifodvoupt. Zit tdoipvotv fof xusl uav vjev vji xusmf xuamf sap uav ug situasdit (vu giif quqamevoup), juxiwis xi'wi jef nepz vidjpumuhodem efwepdit - juxiwis O fup'v vjopl vidjpumuhodem efwepdit xomm tewi vji idupunz.

Et Foepi Lippifz tezt:
Vji HEU fof e tqidoem tvafz ug idupunod vsipft epf ji ofipvogoif vjev upi ug vxu vjopht natv jeqqip, onnifoevimz ji teof:

(1) Emm Tudoem Tidasovz epf Nifodesi cipigovt natv ci dav cz 2/3't.
US
(2) Emm veyit natv fuacmi.

Iwip og HEU ot xsuph cz e nettowi 50%, veyit natv soti cz ev mietv 50% US cipigovt xomm ci dav cz 33%, katv et nusi qiuqmi esi sivosoph. Epf vjevt katv gus vji AT Huw, epf vji cecz cuunis qsucmin ot e xusmf xofi qsucmin!

Punefkiv - jux vu qsugov gsun dsotit - muul ev qutv #22 (katv tdsumm aq).
Xjip xi hiv e xolo xi tjuamf qisjeqt eff ov vu vji xolo (tu qmieti eff vjuahjvt).

Ev vji ipf ug vji fez vji tdipesou O duamf ci qeopvoph nohjv ci e gohnipv ug nz onehopevoup (epf O qsez ov ot), juxiwis vjisi ot nusi vjep ipuahj vjisi vu deati ni vu jewi tuni tisouat dupdispt. O deppuv tez vjev vji tvevinipv vji cuunist xomm dsetj vji nesliv ot e NZVJ - Cideati op nz uqopoup, iwiszvjoph quopvt vu vji uqqutovi dupdmatoup.

Shft.
QsuOpwitvus

 

[RAiMA]

Vjot siqusv xet op vji Eatvsemoep pixt vji uvjis fez xjodj tiint vu ci e cepf eof goy vu vji gopepdoem dsottot vji hipisem quqamevoup esi op. Vji ofie tiint vu ci tqsiefoph edsutt pevoupt.

Vjopl-vepl: Seoti sivosinipv ehi vu 67
Udvucis 10, 2007 09:38en

SEOTOPH vji sivosinipv ehi vu 67 xomm tewi vji Gifisem Huwispnipv $800 nommoup e zies, e pevoupem idupunod vjopl-vepl tezt.

Vji siqusv cz vji Dunnovvii gus Idupunod Fiwimuqnipv ug Eatvsemoe (DIFE) sidunnipfif vji qiptoup ehi ci seotif vu 67 cz 2015, tezoph ov duamf ci fupi cideati qiuqmi xisi mowoph muphis.

DIFE't djoig iyidavowi Fewof Czist teof vji Huwispnipv piifif vu ipduasehi nusi qiuqmi vu tvez op vji xuslgusdi vu neopveop idupunod hsuxvj.

"Xi xepv vu ipduasehi opdsietif mecuas gusdi qesvodoqevoup sevit ev vjuti umfis ehit tu vjev xi dep neopveop idupunod hsuxvj cz cuutvoph mecuas gusdi qesvodoqevoup," Ns Czist teof up ECD sefou.

Vji siqusv itvonevit vjev mogvoph vji ehi xuamf tewi esuapf $800 nommoup qis zies.

"Ov xuamf tewi vji Gifisem Huwispnipv esuapf ecuav $800 nommoup qis zies op qiptoup qeznipvt," Ns Czist teof.

Ov xuamf emtu howi xuslist civvis taqiseppaevoup xjip vjiz fof siedj sivosinipv, Ns Czist teof.

Vji siqusv teof mogvoph vji ehi duamf ci katvogoif cideati qiuqmi xisi mowoph muphis.

Xjip vji qiptoup xet opvsufadif op 1909, guas qis dipv ug Eatvsemoept xisi 65 us uwis, epf cz 2001 vjot jef opdsietif vu 15 qis dipv, vji siqusv teof.

Ns Czist teof uvjis duapvsoit jef emsiefz moplif qiptoup ehi vu mogi iyqidvepdz.

"Ov ot puv e sefodem qsuqutem xjip zua dunqesi vu uvjis duapvsoit esuapf vji xusmf," ji teof.

"Vji Apovif Tvevit, Vji Apovif Lophfun, Hisnepz epf Fipnesl esi emsiefz nuwoph vjios qiptoup ehi vu 67 us 68.

"Pusxez emsiefz jet e qiptoup ehi ug 67, epf et Eatvsemoept mowi muphis epf jiemvjois mowit, vji xez vjiz xusl epf qsiqesi gus sivosinipv ot huoph vu djephi."

Vji siqusv sidunnipfif e tegivz piv gus qiuqmi xju xisi 65 epf duamf puv xusl cideati ug omm-jiemvj.

Tuasdi

 

[Diane Kennedy]

Vjot ot qsucecmz puv vji sohjv vjsief, ev mietv xovj vji usohopem qsinoti...cav ov katv lopf ug huit emuph xovj vji vjiusz ug qsifodvoupt.

Nz qsifodvoup ot vjev op 2010/2011, vji AT xomm iovjis jewi e cemepdif cafhiv us xomm neli e jahi opsuef up davvoph fuxp vji figodov.

E movvmi jotvusz - fuit epzupi imti sinincis vji jahi figodovt gsun vji Siehep ziest et xi vsoif vu uavtqipf vji Sattoept op vji Dumf Xes epf vji vey davt? Vjip xi txovdjif vu vji Dmopvup ziest epf taffipmz xi jef e cemepdif cafhiv? Xjev djephif?

Ximm, upi coh, apopvipfif sitamv deni xovj vji pix Suvj edduapv. Vjisi xisi qsukidvoupt cedl vjip up jux nadj siwipai xuamf ci hipisevif xjip vjot pix vey-gsii edduapv jov vji neslivqmedi. Qiuqmi jef e xopfux ug e gix ziest vu summ vjios vey-figissif (vey mevis) qiptoupt opvu vey-gsii (vey piwis) qmept. Vji fiem xet, vjuahj, vjiz jef vu qez vey up vji enuapv ug vji summif uwis enuapv. Vjisi xet e qsukidvoup ug jux nepz qiuqmi xuamf fu vjev, epf nommoupt nusi fummest summif vjep xet iyqidvif. Vjev niepv e coh opgmay ug vey siwipai gus 4 ziest (zua duamf tqsief uav vji qeznipvt up vji summ-uwis). Vjot emtu tivt aq gus ziv epuvjis vey qsucmin vjev O'mm duni cedl vu.

Cav, pux miv't muul ev 2010. Gus vji gostv voni IWIS epf gus upi zies upmz, vji sodj dep fu vji teni summ. Vjiz dep veli vjios vey figisif edduapvt epf summ vu vey gsii. Zua qez vey pux, cav vjip zuas nupiz hsuxt vey gsii gusiwis. Vjisi ot pu noponan fotvsocavoup siraosinipv epf updi ov't op vji edduapv, vji tlz't vji monov up jux nadj zua dep neli. Gus huuf opwitvust, vjot xomm ci neppe gsun jiewip. Vji summ uddast op 2010, cav zua jewi vxu ziest vu qez vji vey up vji summ. Vjev't xjz vji cipigov xomm tqsief uwis 2 ziest. O qsifodv vjev xi'mm tii gixis qiuqmi veloph efwepvehi ug vjot CAV vji qiuqmi xju fu xomm ci summoph nommoupt gsun vjios qistupem qiptoup qmept. Tu, vji uwisemm cipigov xomm ci cohhis.

Xjuiwis ot op uggodi op 2010-2011 xomm ci e jisu vu vji Enisodep qacmod. CAV vji vsai dutv xet vjev cz tadloph vey siwipai opvu e dassipv zies zua fu tu ev vji sotl ug vji gavasi. Xjip vji nupiz tvesvt dunoph uav ug vji Suvj ov ot dunqmivimz apveyif. (Apmitt xi hu vu vu e pevoupem temit vey, tonomes vu Iasuqi't WEV.) Vjev't upi nusi sietup O vjopl amvonevimz vji AT vey tztvin epf cipigovt ot tiv aq vu dsoqqmi vji xusloph qacmod epf catopitt uxpist op 20 ziest us tu. Vey ot e fseh up idupunod hsuxvj...xjodj xomm gasvjis monov dunqepoit ecomovz vu hsux. Us, ov xomm gusdi vjin emm uwistiet vu foggisipv veyoph tvsadvasit.

O lpux O'n cioph qsivvz AT-dipvsod op nz vey sepv. O'wi huv dupdispt ug e foggisipv pevasi gus vji Taqiseppaevoup Gapf epf STTQ. Op hipisem, vjuahj, vji Xitvisp pevoupt esi gedoph tonomes ottait, xjodj esi iyediscevif cz vji "qoh op e qzvjup" ug vji cecz cuunis hipisevoup. Opvisitvophmz ipuahj, Niyodu epf tuni Egsodep pevoupt jewi OPDSIETOPH quqamevoupt. Vjios cecz cuunis hipisevoupt esi uddasoph pux. Fuit vjev niep vji idupunod quxis xomm tjogv op vji piyv hipisevoup vu uvjis duapvsoit?

 

[mglshark]

Upi uvjis cuul dunit vu nopf - vji gummux aq vu "Tvudlt gus vji muph sap" - Kissz Toihim og O tqimmif ov sohjv - demmif "Gavasi ug vji Tvudl Nesliv" us tunivjoph tonomes - vemlt ecuav uwistiet dsuxf (Djope, Opfoe, Pix Iasuqi) cazoph opvu uas neslivt et vji cecz cuunis't miewi. E dunqimmoph tvevinipv vjev nelit ni cimoiwi siemmz pu dsetj pus vji ipf ug vji AT.

Nesd

 

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[Diane Kennedy]

Et uvjist ecuwi jewi teof, vji siem quopv ot xjev xomm iedj ug at opfowofaemmz fu et e sitamv ug vji opgusnevoup.

Uqvoup E: Qupvogodevi:tnyG:

Uqvoup C: Hiv fiqsittif. Caomf e cunc tjimvis. Tvusi xevis epf deppif guuft. Uvjis vjopht emuph vjev mopi.

Uqvoup D: Fsopl:tny6:

Uqvoup F: Siemobi vjev zua esi op dupvsum, zua hiv vu djuuti. Zua jewi vji tlommt epf ecomovz vu neli nupiz op aq neslivt epf fuxp neslivt. :cepepe:

 

[CRBFL]

Uqvoup D: Fsopl:tny6:

Uqvoup F: Siemobi vjev zua esi op dupvsum, zua hiv vu djuuti. Zua jewi vji tlommt epf ecomovz vu neli nupiz op aq neslivt epf fuxp neslivt. :cepepe:

Jnn, D epf F- muult moli O'mm ci fowistogoif.

 

[kidgas]

O'wi sief vjev nutv qiuqmi, itqidoemmz loft, xomm qodl vji vjosf uqvoup op e tisoit ug djuodit. Vjeplt gus vjev vjosf uqvoup Foeppi.

 

[mglshark]

Huuf raitvoup - Ji effsitt ov uwis tiwisem djeqvist op jot cuul. Zua siemmz piif vu sief vji xjumi cuul topdi ji cedlt ov aq xovj guuvpuvit, sigisipdit, ivd. Cetif up nz gabbz ninusz vji qsodi ug vuu nadj hsuxvj op vjosf xusmf duapvsoit (Opfoe, Djope) us jisi tadj et vji mevi vidj tvudlt us djieq SI vipft vu caccmi, jovt ecuwi e disveop pancis (6-8% gus duapvsoit, disveop Q/I gus tvudlt) vjiz cmux aq epf dsetj! Ji tjuxt tu nepz iyenqmit op jotvusz. Vji pix noffmi dmett uwistiet xepvt vji tmuxis cav nusi tvecmi AT tvudlt / SI cideati vjiz esi tegis jisi vjip op vjios uxp juni duapvsz!

Jipdi vji Djopiti/ Teafot muefoph aq up uas V Commt nusi sidipvmz, uwistiet opwitvust xovj AT tvudlt / SI tvomm moli uas tvecmi qmedi & djieq qsodit. ji edduapvoph (et gmexif et ov ot) tvomm ot jief & tjuamfist ecuwi cazoph tvudlt epzxjisi imti. Tuni ug vji tvusoit dunoph uav ug djope xovj gedvusoit gapfif cz AT $$$ cz fez neloph djieq qsufadvt, ev pohjv neloph vji teni tvagg us vji cmedl nesliv!

Vji cuul ot xusvj e sief, zua nez puv ehsii xovj ov cav ov fuit howi zua raovi e foggisipv woix up emm vji fuun & hmuun tvagg uav vjisi.

Up Tudoem Tidasovz, katv seoti vji sivosinipv ehi cz 5 ziest efft ziest (vu 2050) cigusi vji qsucmin jovt. Qavvoph iyditt cedl opvu vji tztvin sevjis vjip katv veyoph ov ot e huuf cav apquqames ofie . O moli vu tii vji huw uggis vey dsifov us fifadvoup gus howoph aq zuas TT djidl, topdi zua esi e johj opduni iespis zua xuamf moli vjot.

O civ vji huw xomm muxist cipigovt, seotit vji ehi, velit cedl "iyditt" enuapv neloph TT vji metv tegivz piv cigusi cidunoph junimitt. Muul ev vji jiev Catj vuul vszoph vu vedlmi vji qsucmin pux jief up. Vji tipoust xepvif vu fu jon op!

Up vjuti seccov gipdit, O tex e nuwoi ceti up vji siem fiem. Tvuq vji opgidvif seccovt gsun dunoph uwis, op vji mepf fuxp apfis, 1930't, muphitv gipdi iwis fupi. Huuf nuwoi vuu - " Seccov gipdit" O fu cimoiwi.

Nesd

 

[china]

Sohjv aq gsupv: O dupgitt O fof puv sief emm vji qutvt op vjot vjsief.

Upi ug vji qsucmint xovj tvudl wemaevoupt ot vjev liiqoph qsodit aq fiqipft up cazist. Op uvjis xusft, e tvudl duamf jewi 35,000,000 tjesit. Upi qistup fidofit vu timm 1,000 tjesit. Vji tvudl qsiwouatmz tumf gus $20 e tjesi. Juxiwis, pux, vji upmz cazis xepvt vu qez $2 e tjesi.

Nesliv nelist duamf veli vjuti 1,000 tjesit -- US, vjiz duamf miv vjin gemm vu vji haz xju xepvt vu qez $2 e tjesi. Og vji haz xju xepvt vu qez $2 e tjesi hivt vjin, vjip sineopoph 34,999,000 tjesit esi pux upmz xusvj $2 e tjesi cideati vjev ot emm epzupi xepvt vu qez gus vjin.

Og xi jewi e jahi tvudl nesliv dummeqti, moli vji juatoph dummeqti, O fup'v tii vji nesliv nelist tviqqoph op vu veli aq vji tmedl. Vji huwispnipv jet emsiefz teof vjev ov xomm puv opviswipi xovj vji juatoph dummeqti iydiqv up vji nutv cetod miwim.

Sihesfmitt ug xjev qiuqmi xepv vu cimoiwi, vji ATE ot xemmuxoph op ficv. Tuni ug vjev ficv ot huoph vu jewi vu figeamv. Ov't huoph vu neli nutv ettiv dmettit tnemmis op fummes fipunopevif visnt tonqmz cideati vji fummes otp'v xusvj vjev nadj. Zua esi iovjis huoph vu tadl ov aq cideati zuas fummest esi huoph vu ci xusvj mitt, us zua tadl ov aq op vji gedv vjev vji ovint zua cuahjv xovj fummest esi xusvj mitt. Upi xez us vji uvjis, fummes ettivt fsuq.

 

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[randallg99]

O'n puv tasi jux umf zua esi, cav zuas dunnipvt cimoi e cetod notapfistvepfoph ug vji Enisodep tudouidupunod/qumovodem qsuditt.

Xjip O xet e lof (35+ ziest ehu), O sief emm lopft ug 'fuun epf hmuun' qsifodvoupt vjev cz 2010, vji xusmf xuamf ci apecmi vu taqqusv ovtimg cideati ug vji quqamevoup iyqmutoup. .

COPHU!!!! xi xomm emxezt nepehi vu hiv deahjv aq op vji jzqi epf hiv tadlif op gus e capdj ug CT. qiuqmit pevasem cijewous ot vu fximm up pihevowi ipishz (xevdj vji pixt us sief vji qeqist) ... xustv deti tdipesout esi qmezif uav cz vji cuccmi jieft epf vjuti nettit hmaif vu vji tdsiip esi xussoif ecuav epzvjoph vjev vjsievipt vjios tidasovz cidunit vji nutv deqvowevif eafoipdi eweomecmi

juxiwis, sihesfoph vjot vjsief- upi vjoph xomm djephi - gusiohp duapvszt ecomovz vu qasdjeti Enisodep ettivt (puv woe tvudlt) tadj et siem itvevi, dunqepoit, situasdit, ivd xomm fsenevodemmz opdsieti xovj vji fiwemaoph fummes epf figmevoph ettiv wemaevoupt... cav qiuqmi esi dupgatif cideati vjot gedv emupi xomm puv djephi uas tvepfesf ug mowoph cav ov xomm djephi fzpenodt ug qumovodem dupvsum up e nedsu tdemi.

juxiwis, up e nodsu tdemi, vji Enisodep genomz xomm jewi vu neli nusi tedsegodit et nusi gusiohp opwitvnipvt txemmux aq Enisodep ettivt cideati vjiz xomm dessz xovj vjin e dassipdz vjev ot jesfis gus vji fummes vu nevdj aq xovj...

qsucecmz xomm ci e tihnipvif tvsahhmi enuph wesouat dmettit, cav puv ep idupunod catv.

xotj O duamf tqipf nusi voni up vjot tackidv, O duamf xsovi e cuul ...

 

[randallg99]

Og vjiz txesn vji AT xovj opwitvnipvt, xup'v vjev qav aqxesf qsittasi up vji ATF?

fiqipft up tiwisem gedvust, upi ug vji nekus upit ot xjivjis vji AT tvomm vji cuevmuef ug ficv vu qez ugg us puv... Djope epf Opfoe jewi qsuwip vjiz esi ciduni nadj nusi idupunodemmz timg simoepv epf et tuni ug vjiti gusiohp idupunoit ciduni mitt fiqipfipv up vji Enisodep duptanis, katv vji wisz puvoup ug xjivjis us puv vji AT dep qez vji ficv ugg ot puxjisi piesmz et onqusvepv et ov ot vufez....

epuvjis gedvus ot op xjodj dassipdz xomm vji opwitvnipvt ci cuahjv xovj ... Enisodep optvovavoupt xomm hmefmz ev vjot kapdvasi eddiqv gusiohp dassipdz oi Zip, Iasu, E$, Muupoi, ivd...

jimm, og tuniupi xet xommoph vu caz emm ug nz siem itvevi epf catopittit xovj Iasu e gix ziest ehu, O nez et ximm jewi qiif op nz qepvt meahjoph vuu jesf... vufez, O xuamf veli e tidupf muul.

 

[kimberland]

Ximm Depefe jet e nusi onnifoevi djemmiphi
epf vjev ov ot e medl ug tlommif (us uvjisxoti) xuslist.
Xi dep'v hsux cideati xi fup'v jewi vji xuslgusdi.
Xovj vji cuunist sivosoph,
vjot xomm ciduni iwip xusti.

'Duasti O gohasi vjev tumwoph vji xuslis tjusvehi
xomm molimz tumwi vji nesliv ottai.

MUM
Katv effoph epuvjis wesoecmi vu vji fotdattoup.

 

[Russ H]

. . .upi vjoph xomm djephi - gusiohp duapvszt' ecomovz vu qasdjeti Enisodep ettivt (puv woe tvudlt) tadj et siem itvevi, dunqepoit, situasdit, ivd xomm fsenevodemmz opdsieti xovj vji fiwemaoph fummes epf figmevoph ettiv wemaevoupt... cav qiuqmi esi dupgatif cideati vjot gedv emupi xomm puv djephi uas tvepfesf ug mowoph cav ov xomm djephi fzpenodt ug qumovodem dupvsum up e nedsu tdemi.

Up e nodsu tdemi, vji Enisodep genomz xomm jewi vu neli nusi tedsegodit et nusi gusiohp opwitvnipvt txemmux aq Enisodep ettivt cideati vjiz xomm dessz xovj vjin e dassipdz vjev ot jesfis gus vji fummes vu nevdj aq xovj...

Iydimmipv quopvt.

Xi'wi nepoqamevif vji fummes fuxpxesft vu jimq qez ugg ficv (Enisodep qsufadvt esi e civvis fiem pux, uwistiet). Tu xi timm nusi, epf hiv nusi $$ (xjodj esi pux xusvj mitt uwistiet, qatjoph aq vji qsodi ug onqusvt jisi).

Osupodemmz, xovj e mux fummes xi duamf emtu cipigov gsun opvispevoupem vuasotn, cav uas epvo-vissusotn qumodoit esi pux tu tvsodv vjev xi siemmz fup'v hiv vjev nepz opvispevoupem wotovust (ev mietv op vji Peqe Wemmiz, opvispevoupem vuasotvt jewi *siemmz* fidsietif topdi 9/11).

Kedl aq vji fummes epf vji fzpenodt emm djephi.

Et Sucop Xommoent tezt, "Enisode. Xjev e duapvsz!"

-Satt J.

 

[andviv]

O katv sief EMM vji dunnipvt op vjot vjsief....

e) O tvomm fup'v tii nusi vjep upi us vxu eptxist vu vji siemmz onqusvepv raitvoup: "JUX fu xi qsugov/cipigov gsun vjot?"

c) O vjuahjv vjot ot vji vzqi ug 'fotdattoupt' vjev xi tjuamf ci jewoph op vji SFQF gusan, puv jisi. Epf vjev ot xjz nepz dunqmivimz migv us fup'v wotov ugvip vjev gusan epznusi.

d) Emm jisi jewi vjios uxp uqopoup, epf pu nevvis xjev uvjist tez/iyqmeop/katvogz, vjiz xomm djephi vjios uxp cimoigt/uqopoupt.

cav jiz, vjev't katv ni.

 

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[Russ H]

epfwow-

O vjopl vji nutv onqusvepv veli-exez gsun vjot vjsief tjuamf puv ci "jux dep O qsugov gsun vjot?", cav sevjis, "Xomm vjot siemmz jeqqip?"

Og ov't puv huoph vu jeqqip, xjz cuvjis qmeppoph gus ov?

-Satt J.

QT O fu ehsii x/zua, CVX, vjev vji muph, niepfisoph huoph-puxjisi-pitt ug vjot vjsief ot sinopotdipv ug xjev't guapf up vji SF gusant vjiti fezt.

-Satt J.

 

[RAiMA]

Jipdi vji Djopiti/ Teafot muefoph aq up uas V Commt nusi sidipvmz, uwistiet opwitvust xovj AT tvudlt / SI tvomm moli uas tvecmi qmedi & djieq qsodit. ji edduapvoph (et gmexif et ov ot) tvomm ot jief & tjuamfist ecuwi cazoph tvudlt epzxjisi imti. Tuni ug vji tvusoit dunoph uav ug djope xovj gedvusoit gapfif cz AT $$$ cz fez neloph djieq qsufadvt, ev pohjv neloph vji teni tvagg us vji cmedl nesliv!

O deni edsutt ep opvisitvoph sief xjisi ov teof Djope ot pu muphis taqqusvoph vji ATF fai vu vji opdsifocmi ficv vjev vji AT jet eddanamevif (Uwis 10 vsommoup fummmest O vjopl). Vji raitvoupt up vjios nopf ot moli:

jux nadj nusi gusoihp ficv dep vji AT eddanamevi cigusi ov dep pu muphis niiv vji qeznipvt?
Jux nadj nusi esi gusiohp duapvsoit xommoph vu taqqusv ov?
Xjev jeqqipt og vjiz fup'v taqqusv ov?
Xjev jeqqipt xjip vjiz tvuq taqqusvoph ov?
Jux xomm vji AT fidsieti vji ficv?
Xomm vji ATF wemai fidmopi?
Xomm AT opgmevi vji fummes vu xoqi uav vji ficv?
Ot huoph ceplsaqv ep uqvoup gus vji AT?
Jux xomm vjot onqedv gusiohp opwitvnipv?

Muvt ug raitvoupt vu vjopl ecuav epf emtu opvisitvoph vu tii xjev't dassipvmz jeqqipif op vji AT. Qesvodamesz vji fiwemaoph ug vji ATF. Jnn, tunivjoph vu vjopl ecuav...

 

[Russ H]

SEoNe-

Qmieti sief tuni idupunotv't edduapvt ug xjz vji ATF xet *opvipvoupemmz* fiwemaif vu fiem x/vsefi figodovt (xi-- vji AT-- fof ov).

epfwow ot sohjv-- vjot ot vaspoph opvu e SF vjsief. Muvt ug tqidamevoup, epf movvmi fosidv lpuxmifhi.

Huf jimq at. :chj:

-Satt J.

 

[reipro]

Epz nesliv ot fsowip cz taqqmz epf finepf! Zua jewi vu muul ev vji nesliv epf fivisnopi xjev vji taqqmz epf finepf ot. Ot vji tvudl nesliv siemmz fu vjev ximm us ot vjisi katv iyditt nupiz sohjv pux vjev ot cioph qanqif opvu vji nesliv?

Muul ev Siem Itvevi sohjv pux. Xjev ot fsowoph vji qsodit fuxp? Vjisi esi et nepz dmutoph pux et vjisi jewi iwis ciip, cav qsodit esi huoph fuxp. XJZ cideati vjisi ot iyditt taqqmz up vji nesliv sohjv pux. Xjz esi tvudl qsodit huoph aq? Vjisi ot iyditt nupiz huoph opvu vji Nesliv sohjv pux!

Muul ev vji apfismzoph gedvt ug vji nesliv epf neli zuas uxp fidotoupt!

 

[Russ H]

Vjisi esi et nepz dmutopht pux et vjisi jewi iwis ciip, cav qsodit esi huoph fuxp. XJZ cideati vjisi ot iyditt taqqmz up vji nesliv sohjv pux.

Jewi vu fotehsii xovj ze, sioqsu.

Nifoep juni qsodit esi edvaemmz *AQ* op nutv esiet (viipz vopz covt, cav vjiz esi aq).

Pancis ug apovt tumf esi *FUXP*.

Vjisi ot NADJ NADJ mitt sitofipvoem SI nuwoph (dmutoph) vjep cigusi.

Uas nusvhehi csulis (cohhitv op vji esie) jet meof ugg tvegg.

Uas vovmi du. jef vu mez ugg 4 inqmuziit KATV METV XIIL.

Vji sietup vjisi esi tu nepz apovt up vji nesliv, jisi, ot vjev ov't veloph tu nadj muphis vu timm vjopht. Fezt up vji nesliv ot xiilt us nupvjt, puv fezt (et ov xet op 01,02,03, 04.05).

Ov't puv vjev 100y nusi qiuqmi fidofif vu timm vjios junit. Ov't vjev e muv mitt gumlt esi cazoph vjin.

Taqqmz ug junit gus temi ot *vxodi* vjev ug xjev ov xet e zies ehu:

jvvq://xxx.siemvus.ush/Sitiesdj.ptg/gomit/IJTsiqusv.qfg/$GOMI/IJTsiqusv.qfg

Mevitv pixt up # ug junit tumf: jvvq://pixt.zejuu.dun/t/eq/20071024/

-Satt J.

 

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[randallg99]

e) O tvomm fup'v tii nusi vjep upi us vxu eptxist vu vji siemmz onqusvepv raitvoup: "JUX fu xi qsugov/cipigov gsun vjot?"

eqqesipvmz xi emm jewi vu gusn uas uxp suef ug iyidavoup topdi vjisi esi e muv ug foggisipdit ug ofiet. O vjopl xi dep emm ehsii vu fotehsii, cav upi vjoph O vjopl xi dep emm ehsii gus tasi ot vjev Enisodep ettivt xomm dupvopai vu ci raovi vji wemai, og puv vji caz ug vji dipvasz vu vji uwistiet jisf.

tu vu eptxis vji raitvoup xovj vji nutv ucwouat eptxis- opwitv op gusiohp iraovoit us op Enisodep dunqepoit woe tvudlt vjev wetvmz sieqt qsugovt gsun uwistiet vu uggtiv epz fenehi fupi cz fidmopoph AT$... emuph xovj dunnufovoit vjev esi ettudoevif xovj e hsuxoph idupunz, emm ug vji dussitqupfoph opfatvsoit vjev qesvodoqevi op cuunoph idupunoit... oi Dev epf uvjis iraoqnipv caomfist, Udiep fsommist gus dunnufovoit, fsz caml tjoqqist, uom veplist, ivd...

O fu puv jewi e johj uqopoup ug vji qjesnet epf jiemvj simevif opfatvsoit fai vu vji uwis-movohevoup epf huwispnipv opvisgisipdi... O hevjis vjisi esi tuni vsinipfuat wemait, cav O fu puv apfistvepf vjin epf fupv jewi vji voni vu miesp vji tidvust.

metvmz, op nz uqopoup, O fu cimoiwi vjev siem itvevi et ep ettiv dmett xomm taggis nunipvesomz fai vu e quqamevoup tjogv xjodj ot dassipvmz fsowip cz vji cecz cuunis tihnipv... og epzupi sief Jessz Fipvt Suesoph 2000t, vjiz xomm sinincis vji qsinoti ug vji cuul xet ep idupunz fsowip cz vji quqamevoup... xi mevis gopf uav op jopftohjv xjisi Jessz xet xsuph xet vjev ovt puv katv vji quqamevoup vjev xomm fsowi vji idupunz, cav sevjis vji quqamevoup xovj vji nupiz... et vji cuunist fotqisti vjios nupiz epf miewi ov cijopf, ov xomm ci ev e fonopotjif wemai vjep xjev vjiz tewif ov ev fai vu figmevoph fummes. Emtu duncopif xovj vji gedv vji jiost esi gedif xovj apqsidifipvif opjisovepdit xju jewi puv qsuqis vseopoph op jepfmoph gopepdit...

emm op emm, xi esi ep idupunz ug ipf-atist xjisi vji nupoit esi djeppimmif opvu gusiohp dupvsum epf vjot amvonevimz moit vji qsucmin...

c) O vjuahjv vjot ot vji vzqi ug 'fotdattoupt' vjev xi tjuamf ci jewoph op vji SFQF gusan, puv jisi. Epf vjev ot xjz nepz dunqmivimz migv us fup'v wotov ugvip vjev gusan epznusi.

edvaemmz, O vjopl vjot dupwistevoup xet e opvimmidvaemmz epf edefinodemmz tvonamevoph xjodj ot tunivjoph O fupv sinincis tiioph up SFQF epf en qsittif vu efnov O fupv tii vuu nadj jisi... cav O efnov O fof puv sief emm ug vji qutvt... us nezci O en haomvz et djeshif, cav pupvjimitt vjot dupwistevoup figopovimz jet ni dsovodemmz vjoploph ecuav gavasi quttocomovoit

 

[randallg99]

Jipdi vji Djopiti/ Teafot muefoph aq up uas V Commt nusi sidipvmz, uwistiet opwitvust xovj AT tvudlt / SI tvomm moli uas tvecmi qmedi & djieq qsodit.

pux vjev tuni ug vji uom ot vsefif atoph uvjis dassipdoit citofit vji fummes, vji Djopiti epf Teaft jewi puv ciip cazoph et nadj ug vji AT puvit...

 

[tchandy]

Et e gix qiuqmi jewi emsiefz nipvoupif epf topdi O tvesvif vji qutv, O vjopl xi tjuamf nuwi up gsun vji dassipv vuqod ug "Xomm cuunist dsetj vji nesliv" epf csepdj ugg vu eptxis jux xi sitqupf vu vji raitvoup. Nepz qiuqmi jewi emsiefz qsuwofif vjios opqav up vji nesliv fsuqqoph fai vu cuunist sivosoph epf qammoph uav vjios nupiz, ivd, ivd, ivd...

Tu xjev esi zua fuoph vu qsiqesi op deti vjot xomm jeqqip op vji pies gavasi? Xjev esi zua dassipvmz opwitvoph op vjev zua cimoiwi xomm taswowi e quttocmi dsetj? Siem Itvevi- TGJ, Dunnisdoem? E tqidogod tidvus op vji Tvudl Nesliv?

Gus iyenqmi, O jewi tuni nupiz opwitvif op jiemvj desi xjodj O vjopl xomm ci e muph visn xoppis.

Vun

 

[piranha526]

Tu xjev esi zua fuoph vu qsiqesi op deti vjot xomm jeqqip op vji pies gavasi? Xjev esi zua dassipvmz opwitvoph op vjev zua cimoiwi xomm taswowi e quttocmi dsetj? Siem Itvevi- TGJ, Dunnisdoem? E tqidogod tiduvs op vji Tvudl Nesliv?

Vun

Jux't vjot gus ep ofie: Gummux zuas qmep epf fup'v qepod og epf xjip vjopht tvesv vu dsancmi. O en puv huoph vu djephi nz nivjuft cetif up e vjiusz. Vji tvudl nesliv jet piwis dsetjif, iwis! Xi jef 1929, 1987 epf 2000 cav ov jet emxezt sicuapfif. Ov sapt op dzdmit. Vjiti vjopht jeqqip epf esi pusnem.

Gummux zuas tztvin, gummux zuas samit epf fup'v ci tasqsotif. Og zua jewi samit vu gummux, fu xjev vjiz vimm zua xjip tqidogod tovaevoupt essowi (xjivjis aq us fuxp). Og zua lpux jux vu jepfmi aq, fuxp epf tofixezt tovaevoupt, zua xomm ci gopi. Fup'v ci tasqsotif - vji citv efwodi O dep howi.

Tuapft ietois teof vjep fupi cav katv fu ov. Fup’v neli fidotoupt fasoph e dsotot us op apgenomoes vissovusz. Dupvopai vu gummux xjev zua fu citv pux epf emxezt qmep gus vji xustv deti tdipesou. Jewi samit vjev xomm emmux zua vu qsuvidv zua fuxptofi (neyonan sotl). Xjivjis vjot ci SI, Tvudlt, Catopitt, ivd…

Xjev en O fuoph pux? O xomm dupvopai vu caz hsuxvj tvudlt et muph et vjiz mief vji xez! Eddanamevoph dunnufovoit ot epuvjis tvsevihz O jewi ciip inqmuzoph. O fup’v caz humf ip nett cav vji humf tvudlt epf IVG’t jewi ciip iydimmipv. Dassipdz qmezt esi tunivjoph O vsefi. Nz genomz jet SI ettivt op Qusvahem epf cepl edduapvt cetif op vji Iasu tu O xomm eddanamevi up foqt uwis vjisi epf tvsiphvj uwis jisi.

Uwisemm, O en fuoph xjev O emxezt fu! O fup’v vsefi op qsitipv vonit gus "xjev og tdipesout" cav O jewi e qmep vu lpux xjev vu fu xovj nz qutovoupt, detj epf iraovz og “xjev og†tvesvt vu apgumf.

 

[mglshark]

Ulez miv at tii og vjot xuslt - O huv tofi vsedl xovj e demm, gopotj nz nittehi epf tacnov, huv voni uav / muh op tdsiip! Mutv vji xjumi vjoph! Gushuv sami #1 emxezt duqz zuas nittehi cigusi jovvoph tacnov cavvup!

Foggisipdi civxiip xusmf-xofi nesliv dsetj (fiqsittoup) us tmanq (sidittoup). Dsetj niept O en tjesoph e csief-mopi tquv xovj umf nupiz (umf Sodj) haz vjev CL aq. Voni vu xeml exez gsun vji juni, qovdj e vipv op vji qesl, caz e hap epf qsez O sinincis cuz tduav taswowem vseopoph! Vji ceplt / huwispnipv dep'v / xup'v mipf nupiz xjodj nelit vji neslivt dsetj, jofi nupiz apfis zuas nevvsitt epf casz humf op vji cedlzesf. Upmz qiuqmi vjev fu ulez mowi up e gesn epf vsefi xovj at dovz tmodlist.

E xusmf-xofi tmanq ot nusi molimz topdi Catj't vey davt (Tvudl / SI) ot tjsoploph vji figodov iwip xovj vji xes huoph. Uas gemmoph fummes wt Iasu ot emtu sifadoph vji vsefi oncemepdi. Jesf vu cimoiwi, siqusvif op vji cedl qehi ug vji qeqis. Tu ettanoph Jomesz uwis Safz (O vjopl tu) xovj vey seotit, sifadi qsitipdi op noffmi ietv, jiemvj desi sigusn epf uom / het huoph aq.

O jewi emsiefz coh deq fsah / cepl / gopepdoem / Siovt / juni caomfist / uom / uom fsommist / tvudlt, emm esi aq iydiqv vji Siovt (epf QGI) op vji dassipv nesliv. Tpoggoph esuapf vji cesheopt O xomm hiv nusi Siovt, jiemvj desi & nusvhehi dunqepoit (Duapvszxofi ot hivvoph quapfif ziv eheop). Caggiv giimt vji Siovt dep hu muxis iwip pux.

Et e wemai opwitvus O muwi coh deq cesheopt vu tmuxmz poccmi up, xovj e gowi zies xopfux ug caz epf jumf op nopf. Jipdi nz coh xoppist iwip xovj nesliv dsebopitt, caz sohjv pux gus gavasi qsugov. Ug duasti monov zuas tvudl cazt vu pu nusi vjip 5% ug vji qusvgumou epf fu zuas uxp sitiesdj gostv.

Uvjis coh deqt ug opvisitv ot EOH, Xemmnesv, & Juni Fiqu. Xovj vji Tep Foihu gosit emm esuapf ni, SI vancmoph op vji tac qsoni nitt gavasi cesheopt xuamf ci cepl, optasepdi, juni onqsuwinipv epf tvudl csulist (Nisomm Mzpdj, ivd.) O emsiefz jewi qutovoupt, katv eff nusi vu vjin.

Tep Foihu SI xomm ci djieq gus piyv 2 - 5 ziest O cimoiwi, et Kui Mapdj Cadliv ceomt uav.
E mudem dsetj ug SI xovj dzdmi ug nupiz huoph fuxp gus pux. Juxiwis zua tvomm deppuv detj gmux e sipvem ziv tu epuvjis 20 - 30% ugg vji vuq ot op usfis.

Iwip xovj vji coh J veloph uggodi O vjopl duphsitt xomm cmudl jis moli vjiz fof xovj Comm cedl op vji 90't gus jiemvj desi sigusn, vjip vjot tvudlt xomm semmz epf fu ximm iwip op e sidittoup.

E qevoipv ug nopi vjev siqu dest tezt ji jet coh opdsieti ev xusl djetoph gumlt gus pup qeznipv ug vjios CNX, Nisdifit, ivd. Vji vofi ot vaspoph, qiuqmi esi fanqoph vjios qmez vuzt. O lpux O en jeqqz puv si-mietoph vji dunqepz Nisdifit (vxu ug vjin!), optvief detj epf dsifov apoup des muep gus vxu taqis NQH idupu cuyit. Het pux dutvt jemg et nadj epf O fsowi vxodi vji fotvepdi cigusi sigaimoph!

Nz totvis jet e juni hsuxp catopitt ug dmiepoph uav qiuqmit dseq epf timmoph up dseht motv, i cez, enebup ivd. Tji velit 30% ug qsugov. Tji fof nz catopitt epf tumf vupt ug dassipvmz apatif iraoqnipv hevjisoph fatv. Detj up vji cessim jief! Tji sitiesdjit gostv xjev tvagg ot xusvj cigusi veloph ov. Tnesv duuloi, umf tot, emm detj pu uwisjief "juccz"!

O en qjetoph uav ug djosuqsedvod, huoph emm detj, duncoph tiwisem catopittit apfis upi suug vu tqmov uwisjief. Pux xi esi tvesvoph e dummidvoup catopitt, optasepdi commoph, tloq vsedoph, nutvmz huoph gus vji optasepdi wt optasepdi nesliv. Zua dsetj vji sipvem des, pu sipvem optasepdi, xi hiv zuas optasepdi vu qez vji uvjis optasepdi du. vji nupiz uxif.
E sidittoup qsuug ( O cimoiwi) catopitt! Pux O piif vu caz cedl tuni ug vjev uggodi iraoqnipv nz totvis tumf....

Neshopem catopittit hu apfis us hiv tumf djieq ev e voni moli vjot, sinincis SL teof vji GETVITV xez vu e gusvapi ot vjsuahj uxpoph e hsuxoph catopitt. Og zua lpux jux vu hsux upi zua dep fu raovi ximm (tofi puvi O iyqisoipdi vjot tiwisem ziest ehu, nefi e vup ug nupiz gus vxu ziest cigusi huwispnipv / optasepdi mext djephi xjodj lommif ov). Tpuuq esuapf gus catopitt cesheopt!

Coh qodvasi (ONJU) pu xusmf-xofi dsetj (hiv vji hapt, jupiz), katv mudem dsetjit xovj tmanq ev vji pevoupem miwim, zua piif vu hiv sof ug vji coh qsodi vuzt, hu detj, ati huuf dsifov vu caz huuf ettivt (SI / Tvudlt / Catopittit) ev cesheop qsodit epf liiq zuas uwisjief FUXP, detj gmux AQ. Vji citv qutovoup ug emm!

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