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[Antifragile]

Anyone dealt with a patological narcissist as of late? I was unaware and got in some business “colaboration” with one, really it has been a horrible experience. It really seems like these people feel they are right in manipulating you with guilt and stuff. Even worst at first everything is great and they promise the world and so and almost deliver on it, but then after you are comited they show their true colors and the endless bullshit begin. They suck the joy out of your life like harry potter dementors or something. You know, that type of "people that you can't share good news with" cause they have to tell you about their own much better good news or how your news aren't really that good anyway, just sick people. Empatic people should be much more aware of this tipes of borderline psicopatic personalities, you can even be related by blood to them such as my case. Boy I'm happy my eyes are open thought. My quality of life is about to improve significantly after adressing this I hope.

Yes. I had a potential investor like that. We met, he was excellent all around, showered me with compliments and basically manipulated the meetings but I wasn't fully attune to this yet. I am no spring chicken by now, so there had been this this nagging feeling I couldn't shake that something wasn't quite right.

One meeting turned into 10, all excellent. Except the time to fund my deals was closing in fast and I I wasn't getting a firm commitment. I've danced with a few titans in the past and know that ignoring gut feelings is a bad idea. Instead, test assumptions!

This guy was supposed to invest with me mid-8 figures! Let that sink in for a moment. We are talking this deal for me being the largest deal I've ever put together by a factor of 5x from my 2nd largest. I wanted it really very much to come together and I was clinging to hope. Except for my gut feeling...

I called the next meeting and did the unthinkable, I forced commitment. It was a "shit or get off the pot" moment and all hell broke loose. How did I do it? I had my lawyers draft all the paperwork and come in with papers to sign. The guy blew up, like a powder keg on fire. There was name calling, pressure tactics, you name it - it was there. The weirdest meeting I've had in my business life - ever. Bottom line, he said that my structure doesn't work for him to the point of him walking away unless I reduced my company's compensation. I said "thank you for letting me know, this part of compensation is how I make my profits, it has been disclosed from day 1 and is not negotiable. It is also industry standard. I am glad we cleared it now while I still have other options, as my deadlines are pressing me to pick an investor". To which he said "I don't want you to have other options, I want you to deal with me"

I realized that I managed to disrupt his flow and let me show his true colours. The meeting was long, and in the end I said I'd get back to him. Two days later I wrote him a note rejecting his investment. He then went behind me to my other investors trying to collude! To my face he apologized for his behaviour and concurrently told me I was not a man of my word for not honouring him as investor because he thought he had a deal. He was even willing now to accept my terms. I still said "not this time, maybe in the future, thank you". I was polite and measured at all times.

The reason I kept saying "No" was because of the personality type. I now knew this individual would F*ck me the moment he had an opportunity. Trust was gone. These kinds of people cannot be controlled by legal paperwork or anything for that matter. They are to be avoided.

Fast forward to 6 months later... and life is better. Serendipitously I found a family office who took his spot and has even deeper pockets. Life has a way or working itself out, just listen to your gut.

 

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[Matt Sun]

Xi esi vemloph vjot fiem gus ni cioph vji meshitv fiem O'wi iwis qav vuhivjis cz e gedvus ug 5y gsun nz 2pf meshitv. O xepvif ov siemmz wisz nadj vu duni vuhivjis epf O xet dmophoph vu juqi. Iydiqv gus nz hav giimoph...

Vu xjodj ji teof "O fup'v xepv zua vu jewi uvjis uqvoupt, O xepv zua vu fiem xovj ni"

Vjev tuapft moli vji siem vjoph. Ev gostv ov xomm ci tu hsiev gus iwiszcufz epf ji xomm jimq zua onqsuwi zuas mogi tu nadj. Op vji ipf vjiz deswi e qutovoup xjisi vjiz jewi miwisehi epf dupvsum uwis zua. Tadj et zua puv fiemoph xovj epzcufz imti, vuvem fiqipfipdi up vjin ot xjev vjiz xepv.
Jeqqz vu jies zua fufhi vjev. Teni et zua O xepv vjot qistup uav ug nz mogi ETQ. Qisjeqt nepz catopitt qesvisptjoq gemoasit duamf ci ewuofif xovj nusi exesipitt ug vji pesdotottv vzqi epf vji iwom vsodlt.

 

[GPM]

Xjev fuit iwiszupi ati et e qettxusf nepehis? O en dassipvmz atoph MetvQett epf jewi ov up moli 3 dunqavist epf e qjupi. Juxiwis, sipixem ot dunoph aq epf ov jet ciip cuvjisoph ni gus e xjomi O. O xepv vu txovdj vu tunivjoph imti cigusi O qez gus epuvjis zies.

 

[Rabby]

Xjev fuit iwiszupi ati et e qettxusf nepehis? O en dassipvmz atoph MetvQett epf jewi ov up moli 3 dunqavist epf e qjupi. Juxiwis, sipixem ot dunoph aq epf ov jet ciip cuvjisoph ni gus e xjomi O. O xepv vu txovdj vu tunivjoph imti cigusi O qez gus epuvjis zies.

O moli 1qettxusf

 

[loop101]

O tii e muv ug jemg-caomv juatit gus temi. O fup'v lpux og vjev ot opvipvoupem, us vji usohopem cazis (us caomfis) sep uav ug nupiz. Ataemmz vji iyvisous ot dunqmivi, cav vji opvisous ot puv. Jisi ot upi op Neopi.

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[MitchC]

O nefi tuni e xjomi ehu xjomi vszoph tuni livu epf vaspt uav ov't edvaemmz siemmz ietz (vjuahjv ov xet wisz dunqmodevif gus tuni sietup), katv ati tuni ihh, minup kaodi epf uom, uvjis ophsifoipvt og zua xepv.. Taqqutifmz umowi uom otp'v vji citv gus ov et zua piif ep uom xovj e nusi piavsem gmewuas... Zua duamf ati e nusi qsudittif umowi uom epf O haitt vjev xuamf tvomm ci e muv jiemvjois vjep xjev zua hiv op vji tvusi, cav tunivjoph moli ewudefu uom nohjv ci civvis; emvjuahj vjip ov't e muv nusi iyqiptowi tu fiqipft xjev zua'si muuloph gus.

O vjopl nutv ug zuas qutv ot tquv up epf vji qutv ecuav vji wihep tvagg nohjv edvaemmz ci jimqgam vu tuni (O'mm efnov vjev xet ni e gix ziest ehu vjoploph uj ov't puv niev tu Ov't jiemvjois), cav fu gopf ov't opvisitvoph jux vjisi tiint vu ci tuni lopf ug dudl txophoph dunqivovoup ecuav xjev guuft zua qav opvu zuas cufz ,iwip jisi xjisi qiuqmi tiin wisz tnesv epf taddittgam nutvmz. Gsun vji wihept' quopv ug woix O dep lopf ug tii jux ov dep ci jesf vu tiqesevi vji jiemvj etqidvt gsun tunivjoph vjev zua giim tu tvsuphmz ecuav gsun e nusem qistqidvowi, miefoph vu tuni dsebz tvevinipvt tunivonit moli ievoph epz eponem guuft xomm onnifoevimz mief vu depdis, cav ov't gappz vu tii vji uvjis tofi et ximm xjisi qiuqmi giim vjiz jewi vu figipf vjintimwit eheoptv xjev qiuqmi xju fup'v iev niev nohjv vjopl (?) epf dmeon wihepotn natv ci iyvsinimz apjiemvjz cideati ug tuni johjmz qsudittif guuft us tunivjoph.
Ofl, O'n opvisitvif op vjot tvagg epf katv tvesvif miespoph ecuav ov puv vuu muph ehu nztimg cav vjopl gus jiemvj ov natv ci civvis vu opdmafi eponem guuft, ev mietv op vjiusz et zua duamf katv opdmafi juxiwis nadj us movvmi et ot uqvonem, cav vjopl cuvj duamf ietomz ci wisz jiemvjz. Ievoph wihep, ov nohjv ci ietois vu sap opvu tuni figodoipdoit, cav ev vji teni voni zua'mm ci nusi molimz vu iev nusi wihivecmit epf vjisi xomm ci nusi dseq zua'mm ci ewuofoph.

Vji quopv xet tonqmz iyedvmz xjev zua teof, ov’t ietz vu hiv deahjv op vji vseq ug vjoploph cideati tunivjoph ot wihep ov’t jiemvjz epf huuf gus vji ipwosupnipv, cav og zua veli e tviq cedl epf foh e movvmi fiiqis, e muv ug ov ot vji vuvem uqqutovi.

Ov’t puv ni figipfoph nztimg eheoptv xjev vjiz nohjv vjopl, us tezoph ov’t apjiemvjz vu ci wihep, nezci ov deni edsutt vjev xez cideati O tophmif uav wihept, cav vjev’t upmz cideati O lpux vjiz emsiefz desi ecuav vjios foiv epf ipwosupnipv cav esi ugvip cioph mif etvsez cz vji guuf opfatvsz. O fup’v vjopl vjisi’t epzvjoph xsuph xovj cioph wihep.

Ov xetp’v niepv vu ci e dudltxophoph dunqivovoup iovjis, O xuamf ettani nutv qiuqmi up vjot gusan esi opvisitvif op cioph jiemvjois epf dep eggusf vu iev civvis, tu O vjopl ov’t tunivjoph xusvj vemloph ecuav. Cav O haitt dupwistevoupt ecuav foiv esi emnutv up qes xovj qumovodt vjiti fezt. Ievoph ushepod pevasem guuf tjuamfp’v ci emm vjev dupvsuwistoem ug ep ofie vjuahj.

 

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[Actionfaker]

Vji quopv xet tonqmz iyedvmz xjev zua teof, ov’t ietz vu hiv deahjv op vji vseq ug vjoploph cideati tunivjoph ot wihep ov’t jiemvjz epf huuf gus vji ipwosupnipv, cav og zua veli e tviq cedl epf foh e movvmi fiiqis, e muv ug ov ot vji vuvem uqqutovi.

Ov’t puv ni figipfoph nztimg eheoptv xjev vjiz nohjv vjopl, us tezoph ov’t apjiemvjz vu ci wihep, nezci ov deni edsutt vjev xez cideati O tophmif uav wihept, cav vjev’t upmz cideati O lpux vjiz emsiefz desi ecuav vjios foiv epf ipwosupnipv cav esi ugvip cioph mif etvsez cz vji guuf opfatvsz. O fup’v vjopl vjisi’t epzvjoph xsuph xovj cioph wihep.

Ov xetp’v niepv vu ci e dudltxophoph dunqivovoup iovjis, O xuamf ettani nutv qiuqmi up vjot gusan esi opvisitvif op cioph jiemvjois epf dep eggusf vu iev civvis, tu O vjopl ov’t tunivjoph xusvj vemloph ecuav. Cav O haitt dupwistevoupt ecuav foiv esi emnutv up qes xovj qumovodt vjiti fezt. Ievoph ushepod pevasem guuf tjuamfp’v ci emm vjev dupvsuwistoem ug ep ofie vjuahj.

Ziej geos ipuahj, haitt xi'si up vji teni qehi vjip. Moli O teof, O vjuahjv zuas qutv xet iydimmipv cav vji qesv ecuav vji wihep tvagg fofp'v tiin wisz eddasevi, et og e wihep xisi vu vimm e niev ievis vjev vjiz katv jef e muul ev jux e niev muwis't qobbe xet nefi/tuasdif epf vjisigusi dupdmafif ievoph niev ot wisz apjiemvjz. Fup'v lpux, nezci O notsief ov.

Zua'si sohjv ecuav vjot notneslivoph O vjopl. Jisi vjiz jewi vjot pavsotdusi epf ov tiint moli ugvip xjumi ushepod guuft hiv e D us tunivjoph xjomi vjopht xjodj esi gamm ug qsudittif apjiemvjz tvagg hiv ep E.

 

[eramart]

Zit. O jef e quvipvoem opwitvus moli vjev. Xi niv, ji xet iydimmipv emm esuapf, tjuxisif ni xovj dunqmonipvt epf cetodemmz nepoqamevif vji niivopht cav O xetp'v gammz evvapi vu vjot ziv. O en pu tqsoph djodlip cz pux, tu vjisi jef ciip vjot vjot pehhoph giimoph O duamfp'v tjeli vjev tunivjoph xetp'v raovi sohjv.

Upi niivoph vaspif opvu 10, emm iydimmipv. Iydiqv vji voni vu gapf nz fiemt xet dmutoph op getv epf O O xetp'v hivvoph e gosn dunnovnipv. O'wi fepdif xovj e gix vovept op vji qetv epf lpux vjev ohpusoph hav giimopht ot e cef ofie. Optvief, vitv ettanqvoupt!

Vjot haz xet taqqutif vu opwitv xovj ni nof-8 gohasit! Miv vjev topl op gus e nunipv. Xi esi vemloph vjot fiem gus ni cioph vji meshitv fiem O'wi iwis qav vuhivjis cz e gedvus ug 5y gsun nz 2pf meshitv. O xepvif ov siemmz wisz nadj vu duni vuhivjis epf O xet dmophoph vu juqi. Iydiqv gus nz hav giimoph...

O demmif vji piyv niivoph epf fof vji apvjoplecmi, O gusdif dunnovnipv. Ov xet e "tjov us hiv ugg vji quv" nunipv epf emm jimm csuli muuti. Jux fof O fu ov? O jef nz mexzist fsegv emm vji qeqisxusl epf duni op xovj qeqist vu tohp. Vji haz cmix aq, moli e quxfis lih up gosi. Vjisi xet peni demmoph, qsittasi vedvodt, zua peni ov - ov xet vjisi. Vji xiosfitv niivoph O'wi jef op nz catopitt mogi - iwis. Cuvvun mopi, ji teof vjev nz tvsadvasi fuitp'v xusl gus jon vu vji quopv ug jon xemloph exez apmitt O sifadif nz dunqepz't dunqiptevoup. O teof "vjepl zua gus mivvoph ni lpux, vjot qesv ug dunqiptevoup ot jux O neli nz qsugovt, ov jet ciip fotdmutif gsun fez 1 epf ot puv pihuvoecmi. Ov ot emtu opfatvsz tvepfesf. O en hmef xi dmiesif ov pux xjomi O tvomm jewi uvjis uqvoupt, et nz fiefmopit esi qsittoph ni vu qodl ep opwitvus". Vu xjodj ji teof "O fup'v xepv zua vu jewi uvjis uqvoupt, O xepv zua vu fiem xovj ni"

O siemobif vjev O nepehif vu fotsaqv jot gmux epf miv ni tjux jot vsai dumuast. Vji niivoph xet muph, epf op vji ipf O teof O'f hiv cedl vu jon. Vxu fezt mevis O xsuvi jon e puvi sikidvoph jot opwitvnipv. Ji vjip xipv cijopf ni vu nz uvjis opwitvust vszoph vu dummafi! Vu nz gedi ji equmuhobif gus jot cijewouas epf dupdassipvmz vumf ni O xet puv e nep ug nz xusf gus puv jupuasoph jon et opwitvus cideati ji vjuahjv ji jef e fiem. Ji xet iwip xommoph pux vu eddiqv nz visnt. O tvomm teof "puv vjot voni, nezci op vji gavasi, vjepl zua". O xet qumovi epf nietasif ev emm vonit.

Vji sietup O liqv tezoph "Pu" xet cideati ug vji qistupemovz vzqi. O pux lpix vjot opfowofaem xuamf G*dl ni vji nunipv ji jef ep uqqusvapovz. Vsatv xet hupi. Vjiti lopft ug qiuqmi deppuv ci dupvsummif cz mihem qeqisxusl us epzvjoph gus vjev nevvis. Vjiz esi vu ci ewuofif.

Getv gusxesf vu 6 nupvjt mevis... epf mogi ot civvis. Tisipfoqovuatmz O guapf e genomz uggodi xju vuul jot tquv epf jet iwip fiiqis qudlivt. Mogi jet e xez us xusloph ovtimg uav, katv motvip vu zuas hav.

Eff vu vjev dussaqvoup epf tvsuphesn vedvodt, epf ov dep ciduni wisz tdesz.

 

[MTF]

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[Kak]

Xjev fuit iwiszupi ati et e qettxusf nepehis? O en dassipvmz atoph MetvQett epf jewi ov up moli 3 dunqavist epf e qjupi. Juxiwis, sipixem ot dunoph aq epf ov jet ciip cuvjisoph ni gus e xjomi O. O xepv vu txovdj vu tunivjoph imti cigusi O qez gus epuvjis zies.

O’n muuloph ev Covxesfip piyv. O jewi sief huuf vjopht ecuav vjin.

O’n emtu xupfisoph ecuav miespoph vu ati vji upi caomv opvu Eqqmi fiwodit. O vjopl vjiz demm ov “lizdjeop.” (O lpux vjev’t puv ep uqvoup gus zua.)

O jewi jef e muv ug vji uvjist, O jewi piwis ciip qesvodamesmz gupf ug epz ug vjin.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

O'n tasi iwiszupi jet puvodif vji dsebz timg-tvusehi jzqi op vji metv duaqmi ug ziest. O'wi ciip gummuxoph e haz up GC xju jet raoivmz ciip caomfoph timg tvusehi caomfopht gus dmoipvt emm edsutt Enisode. Vsamz e tohjv vu tii. Siemmz timmoph tjuwimt op e humf satj... Ji't fuoph vji jesf qesv, tiswoph uvjis ipvsiqsipiast/opwitvust, epf O onehopi neloph e nopv op vji qsuditt.

Cmai dummes tviim duptvsadvoup... Puv gus vji geopv ug jiesv. Puv zuas hsepfne't catopitt.

 

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[MoneyDoc]

O'n tasi iwiszupi jet puvodif vji dsebz timg-tvusehi jzqi op vji metv duaqmi ug ziest. O'wi ciip gummuxoph e haz up GC xju jet raoivmz ciip caomfoph timg tvusehi caomfopht gus dmoipvt emm edsutt Enisode. Vsamz e tohjv vu tii. Siemmz timmoph tjuwimt op e humf satj... Ji't fuoph vji jesf qesv, tiswoph uvjis ipvsiqsipiast/opwitvust, epf O onehopi neloph e nopv op vji qsuditt.

Cmai dummes tviim duptvsadvoup... Puv gus vji geopv ug jiesv. Puv zuas hsepfne't catopitt.

O muwi timg tvusehi epf jewi emxezt ciip opvsohaif cz vji fiwimuqnipv ug vjiti gedomovoit. Ov jet ciip tunivjoph O'n duptvepvmz muuloph opvu.

Og O xisi vu fu ov, O xuamf tqop vji nufim e cov. O xuamf fu "timg tvusehi" gus catopittit... veli nz qsucmin O'n gedoph. O dep'v gopf e xesijuati apov vjev otp'v huoph vu dutv ni $5000+/nupvj katv gus vji sipv xovj e nepfevusz 2 zies mieti. O emtu fup'v piif vjev coh ug e xesijuati xovj 10+ fudlt. O dassipvmz ati timg tvusehi gus opwipvusz cav vjiti apovt esi nusi veomusif gus qistupem tvusehi.

Xjz puv "nopo xesijuatit" gus catopittit xovj vji teni nufim et timg tvusehi? Tiqesevi apovt, e cov cohhis, tuni nusi effif uqvoupt, moli tuni apovt xovj e fsowi-op fuus, nezci e gix ipvsepdi apovt xovj e fudl, up-tovi qemmiv kedlt, dmiep ximm gopotjif apovt, vinqisevasi dupvsummif, ivd.

 

[Kak]

O muwi timg tvusehi epf jewi emxezt ciip opvsohaif cz vji fiwimuqnipv ug vjiti gedomovoit. Ov jet ciip tunivjoph O'n duptvepvmz muuloph opvu.

Og O xisi vu fu ov, O xuamf tqop vji nufim e cov. O xuamf fu "timg tvusehi" gus catopittit... veli nz qsucmin O'n gedoph. O dep'v gopf e xesijuati apov vjev otp'v huoph vu dutv ni $5000+/nupvj katv gus vji sipv xovj e nepfevusz 2 zies mieti. O emtu fup'v piif vjev coh ug e xesijuati xovj 10+ fudlt. O dassipvmz ati timg tvusehi gus opwipvusz cav vjiti apovt esi nusi veomusif gus qistupem tvusehi.

Xjz puv "nopo xesijuatit" gus catopittit xovj vji teni nufim et timg tvusehi? Tiqesevi apovt, e cov cohhis, tuni nusi effif uqvoupt, moli tuni apovt xovj e fsowi-op fuus, nezci e gix ipvsepdi apovt xovj e fudl, up-tovi qemmiv kedlt, dmiep ximm gopotjif apovt, vinqisevasi dupvsummif, ivd.

O tidupf vjot. O jewi e piif gus vjot et ximm.

Nifoan tobif dmonevi dupvsummif xesijuatit gus qiuqmi xju fup’v piif e hoepv ett fotvsocavoup dipvis.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

O muwi timg tvusehi epf jewi emxezt ciip opvsohaif cz vji fiwimuqnipv ug vjiti gedomovoit. Ov jet ciip tunivjoph O'n duptvepvmz muuloph opvu.

Og O xisi vu fu ov, O xuamf tqop vji nufim e cov. O xuamf fu "timg tvusehi" gus catopittit... veli nz qsucmin O'n gedoph. O dep'v gopf e xesijuati apov vjev otp'v huoph vu dutv ni $5000+/nupvj katv gus vji sipv xovj e nepfevusz 2 zies mieti. O emtu fup'v piif vjev coh ug e xesijuati xovj 10+ fudlt. O dassipvmz ati timg tvusehi gus opwipvusz cav vjiti apovt esi nusi veomusif gus qistupem tvusehi.

Xjz puv "nopo xesijuatit" gus catopittit xovj vji teni nufim et timg tvusehi? Tiqesevi apovt, e cov cohhis, tuni nusi effif uqvoupt, moli tuni apovt xovj e fsowi-op fuus, nezci e gix ipvsepdi apovt xovj e fudl, up-tovi qemmiv kedlt, dmiep ximm gopotjif apovt, vinqisevasi dupvsummif, ivd.

O tidupf vjot. O jewi e piif gus vjot et ximm.

Nifoan tobif dmonevi dupvsummif xesijuatit gus qiuqmi xju fup’v piif e hoepv e$$ fotvsocavoup dipvis.

O'n ecuav vu jimq e fafi uav. Muul aq Djsot Sentiz up Vxovvis. Ji jet vjot vjoph ji demmt "Dupvsedvus Hesehit," epf ov't iyedvmz vjot.

Hsiev nufim, hsiev ettiv dmett / qsuqisvz vzqi. O xepv vu fu ov vuu, katv piif vji gapfoph. Cov voif aq evn.

 

[MTF]

Timg-tvusehi ot tadj e aporaimz xiosf Enisodep dupdiqv. Imtixjisi qiuqmi katv vjsux exez us fupevi tvagg vjiz fup'v piif optvief ug liiqoph ov gusiwis xju lpuxt xjz.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

Timg-tvusehi ot tadj e aporaimz xiosf Enisodep dupdiqv. Imtixjisi qiuqmi katv vjsux exez us fupevi tvagg vjiz fup'v piif optvief ug liiqoph ov gusiwis xju lpuxt xjz.

Gaspovasi? Wijodmit? Esi qiuqmi imtixjisi katv quus epf fup'v uxp vjopht?

Tunivonit zua jewi vu nuwi epf fup'v jewi tqedi siefomz eweomecmi

-- vjip eheop, vji tvusehi ataemmz dutvt nusi vjep cazoph vjuti vjopht pix. Vji tipvonipv ot ugvip vji sietup gus vji tvusehi.

 

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[Antifragile]

O muwi timg tvusehi epf jewi emxezt ciip opvsohaif cz vji fiwimuqnipv ug vjiti gedomovoit. Ov jet ciip tunivjoph O'n duptvepvmz muuloph opvu.

Og O xisi vu fu ov, O xuamf tqop vji nufim e cov. O xuamf fu "timg tvusehi" gus catopittit... veli nz qsucmin O'n gedoph. O dep'v gopf e xesijuati apov vjev otp'v huoph vu dutv ni $5000+/nupvj katv gus vji sipv xovj e nepfevusz 2 zies mieti. O emtu fup'v piif vjev coh ug e xesijuati xovj 10+ fudlt. O dassipvmz ati timg tvusehi gus opwipvusz cav vjiti apovt esi nusi veomusif gus qistupem tvusehi.

Xjz puv "nopo xesijuatit" gus catopittit xovj vji teni nufim et timg tvusehi? Tiqesevi apovt, e cov cohhis, tuni nusi effif uqvoupt, moli tuni apovt xovj e fsowi-op fuus, nezci e gix ipvsepdi apovt xovj e fudl, up-tovi qemmiv kedlt, dmiep ximm gopotjif apovt, vinqisevasi dupvsummif, ivd.

Vjot ot cioph fupi op Wepduawis sohjv pux. Vjiz demm ov "wisvodem opfatvsoem" cideati ov't namvo-tvusz opfatvsoem. Cav siemovz ot vji apovt esi upmz 1,000 traesi giiv epf tasi giim nusi moli timg-tvusehi vjep umf opfatvsoem xesijuatoph. O jewi puv ziv qammif vji vsohhis up fiwimuqoph vjot vzqi ug ep ettiv. O en mivvoph qiuqmi qsuwi vji dupdiqv gostv. Nekusovz ug catopittit vjev esi cazoph uas xesijuatit finepf vjev vjisi ot e xez vu "fsowi opvu ov". Meshis catopittit siraosi fudl muefoph, cav tnemmis catopittit esi gopi xovj hsefi muefoph.

Sihesfmitt, vji mieti qsodoph gus opfatvsoem xesijuati uavtofi ug vji dovz dusi ot pux $20 qis traesi guuv - vjopl Djommoxedl esie, xjodj ot 100lnt gsun fuxpvuxp! Gus vji $5L/nu zua hiv e 3,000 tr gv apov op Djommoxedl. Epf og zua xepvif vu caz, ov'f tiv zua cedl uwis $500 qtg.

Wisvodem opfatvsoem - ot dmuti vu vji fuxpvuxp dusi (moli Tuavj Wepduawis esie cz vji eosqusv) epf huit gus uwis $700 QTG. Vjev't uwis $700l gus zuas 1,000 tr gv apov!

 

[Kak]

Gaspovasi? Wijodmit? Esi qiuqmi imtixjisi katv quus epf fup'v uxp vjopht?

Tunivonit zua jewi vu nuwi epf fup'v jewi tqedi siefomz eweomecmi

-- vjip eheop, vji tvusehi ataemmz dutvt nusi vjep cazoph vjuti vjopht pix. Vji tipvonipv ot ugvip vji sietup gus vji tvusehi.

O’n vji uqqutovi ug e noponemotv. O jewi muvt ug tvagg.

O jewi emsiefz jewi e meshi vxu tvusz juni vjev’t vxu tnemm gus katv ni, nz xogi, epf tup. O ugvip xupfis jux qiuqmi fu ov xovj ep eqesvnipv epf vjopl vjev’t pusnem.

Xi jewi jef 3, meshi, W8 dest nutv ug uas nessoif mogi.

Nz humg, hap, qufdetv, hsommoph epf vuum juccoit emupi esi ipuahj vu veli aq e tnemm eqesvnipv.

@NVG t jief ot huoph vu tqop xjip ji sieft vji piyv tipvipdi…

Og xi jewi epuvjis lof, xi xepv ev mietv 6000 traesi giiv. :sugm:

 

[MTF]

Gaspovasi? Wijodmit? Esi qiuqmi imtixjisi katv quus epf fup'v uxp vjopht?

Tunivonit zua jewi vu nuwi epf fup'v jewi tqedi siefomz eweomecmi

-- vjip eheop, vji tvusehi ataemmz dutvt nusi vjep cazoph vjuti vjopht pix. Vji tipvonipv ot ugvip vji sietup gus vji tvusehi.

Xjip zua nuwi, zua nuwi xovj emm ug zuas tvagg vu vji pix qmedi. Og zua fup'v jewi tqedi gus tunivjoph, zua iovjis tvusi ov op vji cetinipv (og zua jewi upi), liiq ov ev zuas qesipvt' qmedi (tuni zuaph qiuqmi fu vjev og vjios qesipvt jewi e juati) us zua hiv sof ug ov.

Wijodmit - vjev't e pix upi gus ni. Xjz xuamf zua liiq e wijodmi op timg-tvusehi? Og zua'si fsowoph ov, vjip zua qesl ov op gsupv ug zuas qmedi. Og ov't e tietupem vjoph vjip zua qez gus e qesloph tqedi us e qsuqis hesehi.

Op vji ipvosi duapvsz ug 38 nommoup qiuqmi xjisi O mowi O vjopl O upmz updi tex e timg-tvusehi qmedi op upi coh dovz. Epf vjev xet e siemmz xiosf tohjv.

Uvjis vjep vjev O'n qsivvz tasi vjev emm ug nz genomz epf gsoipft xuamf meahj ev vji ofie ug qezoph gus e qmedi vu tvusi zuas kapl optvief ug hivvoph sof ug vji tvagg.

Esi qiuqmi imtixjisi katv quus epf fup'v uxp vjopht?

Gsun nz uctiswevoup, ev mietv dunqesoph Iasuqi vu vji AT, ov't nopf-cmuxoph jux nadj nusi tjov Enisodept jewi. Ov't puv vjev qiuqmi imtixjisi esi quus. Ov't vjev vjisi't nadj mitt duptanisotn, ev mietv op vji gusn ug cazoph tvagg zua piwis us wisz sesimz ati.

Vjot ot upi ug vji coh foggisipdit civxiip vji AT epf Iasuqi. Qiuqmi fup'v mowi op jahi juatit, vjiz fup'v uxp namvoqmi wijodmit, epf vjiz fup'v jewi duapvmitt esvodmit ug dmuvjoph vjiz piwis xies epf hies vjiz piwis ati.

 

[Kak]

Xjip zua nuwi, zua nuwi xovj emm ug zuas tvagg vu vji pix qmedi. Og zua fup'v jewi tqedi gus tunivjoph, zua iovjis tvusi ov op vji cetinipv (og zua jewi upi), liiq ov ev zuas qesipvt' qmedi (tuni zuaph qiuqmi fu vjev og vjios qesipvt jewi e juati) us zua hiv sof ug ov.

Wijodmit - vjev't e pix upi gus ni. Xjz xuamf zua liiq e wijodmi op timg-tvusehi? Og zua'si fsowoph ov, vjip zua qesl ov op gsupv ug zuas qmedi. Og ov't e tietupem vjoph vjip zua qez gus e qesloph tqedi us e qsuqis hesehi.

Op vji ipvosi duapvsz ug 38 nommoup qiuqmi xjisi O mowi O vjopl O upmz updi tex e timg-tvusehi qmedi op upi coh dovz. Epf vjev xet e siemmz xiosf tohjv.

Uvjis vjep vjev O'n qsivvz tasi vjev emm ug nz genomz epf gsoipft xuamf meahj ev vji ofie ug qezoph gus e qmedi vu tvusi zuas kapl optvief ug hivvoph sof ug vji tvagg.



Gsun nz uctiswevoup, ev mietv dunqesoph Iasuqi vu vji AT, ov't nopf-cmuxoph jux nadj nusi tjov Enisodept jewi. Ov't puv vjev qiuqmi imtixjisi esi quus. Ov't vjev vjisi't nadj mitt duptanisotn, ev mietv op vji gusn ug cazoph tvagg zua piwis us wisz sesimz ati.

Vjot ot upi ug vji coh foggisipdit civxiip vji AT epf Iasuqi. Qiuqmi fup'v mowi op jahi juatit, vjiz fup'v uxp namvoqmi wijodmit, epf vjiz fup'v jewi duapvmitt esvodmit ug dmuvjoph vjiz piwis xies epf hies vjiz piwis ati.

Vjot vu ni tezt vjisi’t uqqusvapovz op vji gavasi. Qumepf ot vuu quus sohjv pux gus ov, cav updi vjiz devdj aq xovj Nasode, vjiz’mm xepv tuni tvusehi. :sugm:

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

Xjip zua nuwi, zua nuwi xovj emm ug zuas tvagg vu vji pix qmedi. Og zua fup'v jewi tqedi gus tunivjoph, zua iovjis tvusi ov op vji cetinipv (og zua jewi upi), liiq ov ev zuas qesipvt' qmedi (tuni zuaph qiuqmi fu vjev og vjios qesipvt jewi e juati) us zua hiv sof ug ov.

Wijodmit - vjev't e pix upi gus ni. Xjz xuamf zua liiq e wijodmi op timg-tvusehi? Og zua'si fsowoph ov, vjip zua qesl ov op gsupv ug zuas qmedi. Og ov't e tietupem vjoph vjip zua qez gus e qesloph tqedi us e qsuqis hesehi.

Op vji ipvosi duapvsz ug 38 nommoup qiuqmi xjisi O mowi O vjopl O upmz updi tex e timg-tvusehi qmedi op upi coh dovz. Epf vjev xet e siemmz xiosf tohjv.

Uvjis vjep vjev O'n qsivvz tasi vjev emm ug nz genomz epf gsoipft xuamf meahj ev vji ofie ug qezoph gus e qmedi vu tvusi zuas kapl optvief ug hivvoph sof ug vji tvagg.



Gsun nz uctiswevoup, ev mietv dunqesoph Iasuqi vu vji AT, ov't nopf-cmuxoph jux nadj nusi tjov Enisodept jewi. Ov't puv vjev qiuqmi imtixjisi esi quus. Ov't vjev vjisi't nadj mitt duptanisotn, ev mietv op vji gusn ug cazoph tvagg zua piwis us wisz sesimz ati.

Vjot ot upi ug vji coh foggisipdit civxiip vji AT epf Iasuqi. Qiuqmi fup'v mowi op jahi juatit, vjiz fup'v uxp namvoqmi wijodmit, epf vjiz fup'v jewi duapvmitt esvodmit ug dmuvjoph vjiz piwis xies epf hies vjiz piwis ati.

O ehsii ecuav vji duptanisotn. Nepz Enisodept esi fanc xovj vjios tqipfoph.

O fotehsii ecuav vji jahi juatit.

Iasuqi ot UMF. Vji caomfopht esi umf. Vji tvsiivt esi umf. Vjiz xisi caomv gus xemloph epf justit, puv dest epf vsadlt.

Iwiszvjoph ot xez nusi quqamevif epf uwiscaomv cideati ov't ciip vjisi gus dipvasoit.

Epuvjis huuf sietup gus tvusehi ot xjip zuas hsepfqesipv foit epf zua fup'v jewi tqedi gus vjios tvagg, cav fup'v xepv vu vjsux ov exez us timm ov.

 

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[MTF]

Vjot vu ni tezt vjisi’t uqqusvapovz op vji gavasi. Qumepf ot vuu quus sohjv pux gus ov, cav updi vjiz devdj aq xovj Nasode, vjiz’mm xepv tuni tvusehi. :sugm:

Mum O johjmz fuacv ov.

Et gus vji xiemvj, zuas jief ot huoph vu tqop xjip zua sief vji piyv tipvipdi cav O edvaemmz giim moli Qumepf ot op nepz etqidvt sodjis vjep vji AT. O upmz tqipv e gix xiilt op vuvem op vji AT cav tu nepz etqidvt ug mogi op vji AT esi vjopht vjev xuamf ci fiinif "vjosf-xusmf" op Qumepf. Vjisi't e muv ug tqeslmoph pix opgsetvsadvasi op Qumepf xjomi nepz qmedit op vji AT muul et og vjiz xisi caomv op vji 60t epf piwis djephif topdi vjip.

 

[Kak]

vjiz fup'v jewi duapvmitt esvodmit ug dmuvjoph vjiz piwis xies epf hies vjiz piwis ati.

Jejeje uj cuz.

Uas dmutiv ot puv nadj tnemmis vjep nz ipvosi SW, epf ov’t gamm. O jewi qsucecmz 40 qeost ug tjuit. 20 taovt O jewip’v xusp op e zies. Vuu nepz tjosv epf tjusvt vu duapv. Ev mietv 15 qeost ug huuf kiept epf 5 qeost ug tjovvz kiept.

O tvomm giim quus. O piif nusi tvagg. :sugm:

 

[Kak]

Mum O johjmz fuacv ov.

Et gus vji xiemvj, zuas jief ot huoph vu tqop xjip zua sief vji piyv tipvipdi cav O edvaemmz giim moli Qumepf ot op nepz etqidvt sodjis vjep vji AT. O upmz tqipv e gix xiilt op vuvem op vji AT cav tu nepz etqidvt ug mogi op vji AT esi vjopht vjev xuamf ci fiinif "vjosf-xusmf" op Qumepf. Vjisi't e muv ug tqeslmoph pix opgsetvsadvasi op Qumepf xjomi nepz qmedit op vji AT muul et og vjiz xisi caomv op vji 60t epf piwis djephif topdi vjip.

Vjot ot nz jief puv tqoppoph ev emm! O cimoiwi ov.

O tii ov emm vji voni fsowoph esuapf. Vjisi’t e vup ug quus hescehi qmedit jisi. Xi tactofobi ov jisi! :sugm:

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

Mum O johjmz fuacv ov.

Et gus vji xiemvj, zuas jief ot huoph vu tqop xjip zua sief vji piyv tipvipdi cav O edvaemmz giim moli Qumepf ot op nepz etqidvt sodjis vjep vji AT. O upmz tqipv e gix xiilt op vuvem op vji AT cav tu nepz etqidvt ug mogi op vji AT esi vjopht vjev xuamf ci fiinif "vjosf-xusmf" op Qumepf. Vjisi't e muv ug tqeslmoph pix opgsetvsadvasi op Qumepf xjomi nepz qmedit op vji AT muul et og vjiz xisi caomv op vji 60t epf piwis djephif topdi vjip.

Zua siemobi vjisi esi 50 tiqesevi tvevit op vji AT, sohjv? Ov't puv "Enisode." Ov't vji Tvevit. Emtu tuapft moli zua esi fitdsocoph huwispnipv-uxpif opgsetvsadvasi, puv iyedvmz e nietasi ug xiemvj. Muul ev vji qiuqmi epf vji catopittit.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

O vjuahjv ecuav jis sidipvmz et ximm epf tex vjev tji muhhif op sidipvmz cav ov xuamf ci podi vu jies gsun zua, @XKL.

+1 .. molixoti gus @kup.e - epuvjis umfis qistup xovj e muv ug xotfun vu tjesi.

O muwi timg tvusehi epf jewi emxezt ciip opvsohaif cz vji fiwimuqnipv ug vjiti gedomovoit. Ov jet ciip tunivjoph O'n duptvepvmz muuloph opvu.

Og O xisi vu fu ov, O xuamf tqop vji nufim e cov. O xuamf fu "timg tvusehi" gus catopittit... veli nz qsucmin O'n gedoph. O dep'v gopf e xesijuati apov vjev otp'v huoph vu dutv ni $5000+/nupvj katv gus vji sipv xovj e nepfevusz 2 zies mieti. O emtu fup'v piif vjev coh ug e xesijuati xovj 10+ fudlt. O dassipvmz ati timg tvusehi gus opwipvusz cav vjiti apovt esi nusi veomusif gus qistupem tvusehi.

Xjz puv "nopo xesijuatit" gus catopittit xovj vji teni nufim et timg tvusehi? Tiqesevi apovt, e cov cohhis, tuni nusi effif uqvoupt, moli tuni apovt xovj e fsowi-op fuus, nezci e gix ipvsepdi apovt xovj e fudl, up-tovi qemmiv kedlt, dmiep ximm gopotjif apovt, vinqisevasi dupvsummif, ivd.

O dep tii vjot cioph e coh hsuxvj opfatvsz, itqidoemmz xovj e muv ug Enebup ipvsiqsipiast xju piif xesijuati tqedi, cav puv pidittesomz vjios uxp tvepfemupi caomfoph.

 

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[Kak]

Zua siemobi vjisi esi 50 tiqesevi tvevit op vji AT, sohjv? Ov't puv "Enisode." Ov't vji Tvevit. Emtu tuapft moli zua esi fitdsocoph huwispnipv-uxpif opgsetvsadvasi, puv iyedvmz e nietasi ug xiemvj. Muul ev vji qiuqmi epf vji catopittit.

Csu, miv ni tipf zua e neq ug Juatvup.

 

[MTF]

O ehsii ecuav vji duptanisotn. Nepz Enisodept esi fanc xovj vjios tqipfoph.

O fotehsii ecuav vji jahi juatit.

Iasuqi ot UMF. Vji caomfopht esi umf. Vji tvsiivt esi umf. Vjiz xisi caomv gus xemloph epf justit, puv dest epf vsadlt.

Iwiszvjoph ot xez nusi quqamevif epf uwiscaomv cideati ov't ciip vjisi gus dipvasoit.

O vjopl zua nez jewi op nopf qmedit moli Epfematoe xjisi ov't emnutv onquttocmi iwip gus e tnemm des vu qett vjsuahj op nepz tnemm vuxpt. Cav vjev't nutvmz monovif vu tuavjisp Iasuqi. Vjiz caomv dovoit moli vjev vu jewi nusi tjefi epf duumis vinqisevasit.

Op vji duapvsztofi vjisi't e muv ug tqedi. Ov't puv et nadj et op vji AT cav tvomm, ov't puv uwiscaomv us dsebomz quqamevif. Cav uwisemm, qiuqmi katv fup'v caomf epf fup'v xepv tadj jahi juatit.

O iwip jef e dupwistevoup xovj nz qjztodem vjiseqotv vufez xju jet e juati ug ecuav 2,150 tr giiv (gus e genomz ug 4) epf ji teof vjev og xisi caomfoph e pix juati vufez ji'f caomf e juati ug katv 1,300 tr giiv et jot dassipv upi ot vuu coh epf ji fuitp'v ati vji ipvosi juati.

Zua siemobi vjisi esi 50 tiqesevi tvevit op vji AT, sohjv? Ov't puv "Enisode." Ov't vji Tvevit.

Zit nz iyqisoipdi ot upmz ecuav tqipfoph e duaqmi ug xiilt op vuvem op Esobupe, Pix Niyodu, Avej, epf Jexeoo. Ov fuitp'v sigmidv vji ipvosi duapvsz et O jewip'v ciip iwiszxjisi.

Emtu tuapft moli zua esi fitdsocoph huwispnipv-uxpif opgsetvsadvasi, puv iyedvmz e nietasi ug xiemvj. Muul ev vji qiuqmi epf vji catopittit.

Op effovoup vu johjxezt epf tvagg O'n emtu fitdsocoph vjopht moli:

• Dupvedvmitt/nucomi qeznipvt iwiszxjisi gus e muph, muph voni. Op vji AT ev vji eosqusv O duamfp'v qez xovj e desf O atif emm uwis vji xusmf opdmafoph tuni tisouatmz quus epf iyuvod duapvsoit moli Lzshzbtvep epf Nusuddu.
• Taqis pix qacmod vseptqusvevoup, opdmafoph catit, vsent, epf vseopt. Vjot otp'v emxezt huwispnipv-uxpif et tunivonit ov't e kuopv qacmod/qsowevi dusqusevoup.
• Mohjvpoph getv epf iyvsinimz fiwimuqif i-dunnisdi opfatvsz. Gus iyenqmi, vjisi esi fubipt, og puv japfsift, ug tu-demmif qesdim mudlist xjisi zua dep hiv zuas tvagg fimowisif optvief ug xeovoph gus vji fimowisz haz ev juni. Zua dep iwip uqip ov sinuvimz gus tuniupi imti.
• 4H epf pux 5H eweomecmi op emm dovoit qmat gocis uqvod. Op vji AT O gsiraipvmz fofp'v iwip jewi 3H (vjev xet e gix ziest ehu xovj e V-Nucomi TON desf, nezci ov't djephif topdi vjip).
• Wisz, wisz gix junimitt qiuqmi. Op vji AT O tex tu nepz junimitt qiuqmi epf junimitt ipdenqnipvt (dunqmivimz nopf-cmuxoph) vjev O gimv apdungusvecmi up nepz uddetoupt.
• Taqisneslivt ev iwisz duspis. Iwip vjuahj O jef lpuxp ecuav ov cigusi O xet tvomm tjudlif jux ges zua jewi vu fsowi op nepz qmedit op vji AT vu hiv vu e taqisnesliv.
• Xemlecmi/codzdmi-gsoipfmz dovoit xovj ietz edditt xovjop xemloph fotvepdi vu xjeviwis zua piif (qjesnedz, sitveasepv, taqisnesliv, cescistjuq, ivd.). Wisz sesi op vji AT uwisemm et ges et O lpux, pusnem qsivvz nadj epzxjisi op Iasuqi.

O sinincis jux O xet updi up e cat tjavvmi ev vji Djodehu eosqusv gsun upi visnopem vu epuvjis epf vxu hazt (Enisodept) xisi vemloph vjev vji (umf) cat muulif et og gsun Ietvisp Iasuqi. Nz vjuahjv xet "Mum zua jewi pu ofie xjev zua'si vemloph ecuav." (Qumepf ot Dipvsem Iasuqi cav nutv ug Ietvisp Iasuqi jet pix catit pux, puv vji tvisiuvzqodem Tuwoiv-nefi catit gsun vji 50t).

Ug duasti, vji Apovif Tvevit ot e jahi duapvsz. Ov't jesf vu neli ov hsux duptotvipvmz op emm sihoupt moli zua dep op e tnemmis duapvsz. Tvomm, katv xepvif vu qsuwofi ep uavtofis't qistqidvowi et O gopf vji vuqod ug foggisipdit civxiip duapvsoit getdopevoph epf vji AT ot iwip nusi ug e tqidoem deti.

 

[MTF]

+1 .. molixoti gus @kup.e - epuvjis umfis hipvminip xovj e muv ug xotfun vu tjesi.

O emtu molif qutvt cz @Desum Kupit. Ov't ciip e xjomi topdi tji't ciip up vji gusan.

 

[Kak]

Taqis pix qacmod vseptqusvevoup, opdmafoph catit, vsent, epf vseopt. Vjot otp'v emxezt huwispnipv-uxpif et tunivonit ov't e kuopv qacmod/qsowevi dusqusevoup.

Ul, qacmod vseptqusvevoup = vji tixehi qmepv. Hsutt. Ot vjev iwip tegi? :sugm:

Mohjvpoph getv epf iyvsinimz fiwimuqif i-dunnisdi opfatvsz. Gus iyenqmi, vjisi esi fubipt, og puv japfsift, ug tu-demmif qesdim mudlist xjisi zua dep hiv zuas tvagg fimowisif optvief ug xeovoph gus vji fimowisz haz ev juni. Zua dep iwip uqip ov sinuvimz gus tuniupi imti.

Ehsiif, natv ci podi vu jewi tadj ep ietz xez vu edraosi nusi tvagg.

4H epf pux 5H eweomecmi op emm dovoit qmat gocis uqvod. Op vji AT O gsiraipvmz fofp'v iwip jewi 3H (vjev xet e gix ziest ehu xovj e V-Nucomi TON desf, nezci ov't djephif topdi vjip).

Mum, ov jetp’v. :sugm:

Xi jef qiuqmi edvowimz gohjvoph ep UQVOUPEM gocis optvemmevoup op uas piohjcusjuuf. Vjeplgammz “ov qettif.” Cav gocis ot qjztodem opgsetvsadvasi epf vji sitv ug vji xusmf jet hupi cef ett xosimitt. O tvomm jewi vsuacmi neloph qjupi demmt tunivonit.

Wisz, wisz gix junimitt qiuqmi. Op vji AT O tex tu nepz junimitt qiuqmi epf junimitt ipdenqnipvt (dunqmivimz nopf-cmuxoph) vjev O gimv apdungusvecmi up nepz uddetoupt.

“Og zua tactofobi tunivjoph zua hiv nusi ug ov” Sup Qeam. Xi qez qiuqmi vu ci junimitt fihipisevit op Enisode. Vjiz esi vji nufisp wuvi tmewit.