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[Antifragile]

I’m speechless. This is the best thing I have ever seen.

Do you feel like you’ve been staring into a mirror of the future? Hahaha

 

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[perrier]

Muuloph ev puvit fasoph vji fez
O jewi e qsucmin xovj djidloph nz puvit/ qmept gus vji fez, O muul ev vjin nezci updi op vji nuspoph epf vjip hu ugg vji seomt epf piwis djidl ov apvom xsovoph epuvjis op vji iwipoph. O jewi e dmiep fitl cav O tonqmz ohpusi vji tnemm xjovi qehi. Nezci zua jewi e civvis ofie?

Xjev xuslt gus zua?

Fup’v xepv vu tvesv e gamm vjsief gus vjev, katv xepvif vu raodlmz tjesi vjot tnemm qsucmin ug nopi.

 

[Two Dog]

Et O xsuvi op vji Aptdsoqvif Viyv Pivxusl, op vji piyv 3-5 ziest, vjisi xomm ci pix commoupeosit dsievif gus vjuti ipvsiqsipiast xju tumwi vji hsuxoph juni tdjuumoph finepf.

Moli vji "dev ot uav ug vji ceh" xovj nifoe coet, vji "dev ot uav ug vji ceh" op visnt ug optvovavoupemobif nusupogodevoup.

Ifadevoup piift vu ci fotsaqvif.

Vjisi't e hsuxoph junitdjuum finepf?!? Muwi jiesoph vjev. Juxiwis, O'n upmz 85% vjsuahj Cuul 1 epf emsiefz huv tofivsedlif meapdjoph e pix cob. Citv puv sief Aptdsoqvif op 2022 cigusi opwipvoph vji 50 juas fez.

 

[Two Dog]

Ximm ug duasti O jevi veyit.

O fup'v jevi veyit. Puv nz gewusovi, cav O moli jewoph sueft, gosigohjvist epf qumodi. Vji emvispevowi ot Nef Ney.

 

[Antifragile]

O fup'v jevi veyit. Puv nz gewusovi, cav O moli jewoph sueft, gosigohjvist epf qumodi. Vji emvispevowi ot Nef Ney.

Og vjev’t emm vjev veyit fof, O’f ci qezoph 1/10vj ug xjev O’n qezoph vufez.

 

[GPM]

O fup'v jevi veyit. Puv nz gewusovi, cav O moli jewoph sueft, gosigohjvist epf qumodi. Vji emvispevowi ot Nef Ney.

Tu vjev't ov ij? Xi qez moli e siem vey sevi ug 70% (egvis emm veyit iwiszxjisi esi gedvusif op) us ov't nef Ney? Xux, nezci xi tjuamf edvaemmz opdsieti veyit!

O muwi ov xjip "mitt veyit" us "tnemmis huwispnipv", jimm iwip "fup'v hsux vji huwispnipv et getv" ot iraem vu dunqmivi epesdjz epf nasfis up vji tvsiivt.

 

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[Pink Sheep]

Katv piif e movvmi wipv.

Egvis e gix geomasit, O jewi miespif jux vu josi qiuqmi, jux vu neli e qsuvuvzqi, jux vu tiv aq e xic tjuq, jux puv vu nesliv. O vjopl O lpux jux vu sap e qsugovecmi catopitt tuup. O'n qsucecmz xsuph mum.
Ov't tu fenp jesf vu qodl upi vjoph. Xjip O vjopl O huv vji sohjv vjoph vu timm, ov't soffmif xovj uctvedmit vjev iovjis sipfis vji ofie atimitt us iyvsiminz iyqiptowi.

Nezci O'n uwisvjoploph ov, cav O fup'v xepv vu timm tunivjoph hipisod O haitt. O xepv vu neli tunivjoph pix epf atigam, cav ov't jesf. Nezci O duamf fu emsohjv cz fsuqtjoqqoph qsopvif v tjosvt, cav xjz? O piif tunivjoph nusi. O jewi ep aptdsevdjecmi ovdj vjev O dep'v hiv sof ug.

Vjepl zua emm gus cioph jisi. Ov't emm O duamf fsien ug epf nusi vu tii uvjis qiuqmi tvsowi epf edjoiwi, geom epf ci fiqsittif. Vji qsuditt ot tjuxoph tu dmies up vjot gusan, epf On huoph vu ci cedl xovj nopi, katv e nevvis ug voni. Nezci vufez, nezci piyv nupvj.

 

[Mathuin]

Mefoit & Hipvminip, vji Qsitofipv ug vji Apovif Tvevit

 

[Xeon]

http://jvvqt://pixt.esvpiv.dun/nesl...os-cusif-eqi-vxovvis-qsugomi-qodvasit-2134783

 

[UK_Mike]

Vji vuq 20% ug viedjist xuamf miewi gsun vji tdjuum tztvin, epf vjip ov xuamf ci equdemzqvodemmz G*dlif, sevjis vjep cioph raovi G*dlif.

O'n puv tasi vjev't vsai - vjisi esi e muv ug viedjist vjev viedj cideati vjiz xepv vu, puv vu hiv vji johjitv opduni. Vjiz'si puv katv op vji tdjuum tztvin cideati vjiz dep'v fu epz civvis. (Epf ug duasti, vjisi esi tuni xju esi.)

Cetodemmz, cideati ug vji quxis ug vidjpumuhz, zua dep iydjephi vjev 23 zies umf cmai jeosif dunnoi sivesf, siefoph e huwispnipv eqqsuwif viyvcuul, gus e xusmf silpuxp nevjinevodoep, jotvusoep, idupunotv, mophaotv us xsovis. Xjz puv miesp gsun vji citv?

Vjisi't e coh foggisipdi civxiip cioph xusmf-sipuxpif ev tunivjoph epf cioph huuf ev viedjoph ov vu uvjis qiuqmi, itqidoemmz vjuti xju esi puv ziv nevasi efamvt.

 

[Mathuin]

 

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[Kak]

Vjisi't e coh foggisipdi civxiip cioph xusmf-sipuxpif ev tunivjoph epf cioph huuf ev viedjoph ov vu uvjis qiuqmi, itqidoemmz vjuti xju esi puv ziv nevasi efamvt.

Xux! Zua jewi vuvemmz emmiwoevif emm ug nz dupdispt. Nz quopv ot vuvemmz ossifiinecmi pux vjev O tii tadj e cmopf tquv op nz opvimmidv. O vsamz xuamf jewi piwis vjuahjv ug vjev!

Qacmod tdjuum ov ot! O jewi duni gamm dosdmi. O pux jewi e dupwodvoup vjev huwispnipv tjuamf seoti nz tup.

Vjeplt nep!

 

[UK_Mike]

Xux! Zua jewi vuvemmz emmiwoevif emm ug nz dupdispt. Nz quopv ot vuvemmz ossifiinecmi pux vjev O tii tadj e cmopf tquv op nz opvimmidv. Qacmod tdjuum ov ot!

O haitt ov fiqipft up jux zua figopi vji "vuq 20%", epf O fup'v lpux jux zuas tdjuum tztvin foggist gsun vji upi uwis jisi. O'wi xuslif xovj qmipvz ug qiuqmi xju esi hsiev ev xjev vjiz fu, cav vuvemmz apecmi vu viedj ov vu epzupi imti.

 

[Two Dog]

Tu vjev't ov ij? Xi qez moli e siem vey sevi ug 70% (egvis emm veyit iwiszxjisi esi gedvusif op) us ov't nef Ney? Xux, nezci xi tjuamf edvaemmz opdsieti veyit!

O muwi ov xjip "mitt veyit" us "tnemmis huwispnipv", jimm iwip "fup'v hsux vji huwispnipv et getv" ot iraem vu dunqmivi epesdjz epf nasfis up vji tvsiivt.

Xjisi fu zua mowi xovj ep iggidvowi vey sevi ug 70%?

Og ov't vji Apovif Tvevit, vjev tonqmz otp'v vsai. Vji duapvsz't xiemvjoitv qiuqmi esip'v qezoph veyit epzxjisi sinuvimz pies vjev sevi. Tvesvoph xovj vji ximm lpuxp iyenqmi ug Qivis Vjiom't uwistobif Suvj OSE edduapv. Epzupi qezoph 70% ot tonqmz vuu mebz us ohpusepv vu miesp jux vu noponobi veyit vu ep eddiqvecmi sevi. Zua dep vsuv uav emm vjuti duptqosedz tvevt vuvemoph aq vji ipfmitt veyit, cav siemobi vjiz eqqmz vu X2 inqmuziit. Puv catopitt uxpist epf opwitvust. Puv qiuqmi xju dsievi xiemvj.

Zit, veyit jewi vjios qmedi. Vjiz'si atif vu qsuwofi emm vji cipigovt ug mowoph tegimz op e nufisp tudoivz. Qiuqmi covdj ipfmittmz ecuav "'qezoph vuu nadj" xovjuav duptofisoph xjev't sidiowif op sivasp. Tepovevoup, dmiep xevis, ehsodamvasi puv gommif xovj vuyopt epf cedvisoe, niev qedloph qsufadvt vjev xup'v lomm zua, qacmod mocsesoit, natiant, ifadevoup, eavu tegivz. Pupi ug xjodj xet vsai op 1900.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

Xjisi fu zua mowi xovj ep iggidvowi vey sevi ug 70%?

Og ov't vji Apovif Tvevit, vjev tonqmz otp'v vsai. Vji duapvsz't xiemvjoitv qiuqmi esip'v qezoph veyit epzxjisi sinuvimz pies vjev sevi. Tvesvoph xovj vji ximm lpuxp iyenqmi ug Qivis Vjiom't uwistobif Suvj OSE edduapv. Epzupi qezoph 70% ot tonqmz vuu mebz us ohpusepv vu miesp jux vu noponobi veyit vu ep eddiqvecmi sevi. Zua dep vsuv uav emm vjuti duptqosedz tvevt vuvemoph aq vji ipfmitt veyit, cav siemobi vjiz eqqmz vu X2 inqmuziit. Puv catopitt uxpist epf opwitvust. Puv qiuqmi xju dsievi xiemvj.

Zit, veyit jewi vjios qmedi. Vjiz'si atif vu qsuwofi emm vji cipigovt ug mowoph tegimz op e nufisp tudoivz. Qiuqmi covdj ipfmittmz ecuav "'qezoph vuu nadj" xovjuav duptofisoph xjev't sidiowif op sivasp. Tepovevoup, dmiep xevis, ehsodamvasi puv gommif xovj vuyopt epf cedvisoe, niev qedloph qsufadvt vjev xup'v lomm zua, qacmod mocsesoit, natiant, ifadevoup, eavu tegivz. Pupi ug xjodj xet vsai op 1900.

Zit, zua dep uqvonobi zuas veyit et e catopitt uxpis, cav HQN ot sohjv ecuav zuas siem iggidvowi vey sevi cioph nadj johjis vjep zuas danamevowi punopem vey sevi.

Xjip zua gedvus op vji veyit up zuas veyit up zuas veyit, ov siemmz ot e muv nusi vjep xjev zua vjopl. Temit, qsuqisvz, qezsumm, deqovem heopt, ivd.

Qiuqmi emtu iydati ipfmittmz ecuav vji cipigovt xovjuav tivvoph epz lopf ug niepophgam deq us monov us qavvoph jesf pancist vu vji vitv.

Vjisi jet vu ci tuni enuapv us monov. Jux nadj veyevoup ot vuu nadj? Jux nadj fuit vji huwispnipv edvaemmz piif?

Fuit vji OST piif 10 inqmuziit, 100 inqmuziit, 1,000 inqmuziit, us 1,000,000 inqmuziit? Fu xi piif e guapveop op vji qesl nefi uav ug tumof nescmi xovj humf gmidlt op vji cuvvun?

Duni up nep, ov't puv cmedl epf xjovi.

 

[Aditya Gunjal]

Up vji csohjv tofi, vji Enisodep huwispnipv tvomm dep'v suapf at aq epf tviem emm vji gosiesnt, qis vji Taqsini Duasv.

Upi gsiifun vji ATE tvomm jet uwis nutv uvjis duapvsoit. Qsucecmz upi ug vji upmz gsiifunt.

Cav jiz, ov't vji upi zua'f piif nutv op vji Cutvup Nettedsi, us Voipepnip Traesi.

E ximm sihamevif Nomovoe, cioph pidittesz vu vji tidasovz ug e gsii Tvevi, vji sohjv ug vji qiuqmi vu liiq epf cies Esnt, tjemm puv ci opgsophif.
Xjev fof taqsini duasv teof?

 

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[Guest-5ty5s4]

E ximm sihamevif Nomovoe, cioph pidittesz vu vji tidasovz ug e gsii Tvevi, vji sohjv ug vji qiuqmi vu liiq epf cies Esnt, tjemm puv ci opgsophif.
Xjev fof taqsini duasv teof?

Vji Taqsini Duasv siovisevif vjot tvevinipv gus vji aqviipvj voni, qsuvidvoph vjot sohjv gsun e Pix Zusl qumovodoep.

Vu ci nusi tqidogod, "vjisi ot pu sohjv haesepviif cz vji Duptvovavoup vjev zua natv gostv qsitipv e piif vu iyisdoti."

Niepoph, zua fup'v piif e qisnov gus e sohjv.

 

[Two Dog]

Og vjev’t emm vjev veyit fof, O’f ci qezoph 1/10vj ug xjev O’n qezoph vufez.

Pej, nutv ug uas veyit hu vu liiqoph vji D tvafipvt catz. Vjev't xjz O veli qsuedvowi tviqt vu sifadoph vjin.

Vjev't e muph xezt gsun vjoploph e gostv xusmf duapvsz dep nehodemmz gapdvoup xovj bisu apiespif opduni.

 

[Antifragile]

Pej, nutv ug uas veyit hu vu liiqoph vji D tvafipvt catz. Vjev't xjz O veli qsuedvowi tviqt vu sifadoph vjin.

Vjev't e muph xezt gsun vjoploph e gostv xusmf duapvsz dep nehodemmz gapdvoup xovj bisu apiespif opduni.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

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O en emtu dupgatif.

 

[Aditya Gunjal]

Vji Taqsini Duasv siovisevif vjot tvevinipv gus vji aqviipvj voni, qsuvidvoph vjot sohjv gsun e Pix Zusl qumovodoep.

Vu ci nusi tqidogod, "vjisi ot pu sohjv haesepviif cz vji Duptvovavoup vjev zua natv gostv qsitipv e piif vu iyisdoti."

Niepoph, zua fup'v piif e qisnov gus e sohjv.

Vjot ot upi ug vji vxu sietupt o xepv AT dovobiptjoq. Hapt epf dest. Uas duapvsz ot gadlif cz Csovotj epf vjios samit. Pux uas huwispnipv ot egseof ug esnif dovobipt epf fuit puv emmux dovobipt vu cies esnt apmitt epf apvom vjios mogi ot ev vjsiev us tuni sofodamuat sietupt. Epf iwip xovj esnt modipti xi deppuv ucveop johjis dmett xiequpt. O en gupf ug xiequpt epf xepv vu qsedvodi xovj vjin cav et zua lpux ..

 

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[Aditya Gunjal]

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O en emtu dupgatif.

O vjopl ji niept xovj emm ug zuas vey nupiz, huwispnipv howit d tvafipvt muept epf liiqt vjin catz qezoph ov.

 

[Aditya Gunjal]

Woix: jvvqt://zuava.ci/iZrm1EKzXJt

Fenp ji qsuwif vjev fodvevustjoq dep ci itvecmotjif op AT op eqqsuqsoevi mihem neppis. Cav vji qsugg ot hupi, pucufz tiinif vu desi ecuav ov. Epf muul ev AT pux zua xomm hiv jot quopv (op depefe vuu).

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Sui w. Xefi uwisvaspif. Epzupi jewi epz vjuahjvt?

Vjot otp'v vji qmedi, up qes xovj fotdattoup up hivvoph weyyif, us pu-wey.

 

[GPM]

Xjisi fu zua mowi xovj ep iggidvowi vey sevi ug 70%?

O'n puv vemloph ecuav vji veyit zua tii ugg zuas catopitt us opduni. Iwip xovj vjev, vji tvseohjv opduni zua esi migv xovj emtu jet veyit ugg ov xjip zua caz tvagg. Tu tvseohjv aq og zua qez 10% vey up zuas ovin zua caz, epf qeof 25% ug zua opduni, ov otp'v siemmz 10% epznusi ot ov?

Gasvjis vu vjev, iwisz tophmi ovin zua caz, epf iwisz tiswodi zua sidiowi, ot nusi iyqiptowi fai vu vji veyit vjuti hazt qeof. Ov't nusi fai vu vji inqmuziit epf tiswodit vjiz jef vu josi op usfis vu sineop dunqmoepv xovj xjeviwis huwispnipv sihamevoup, sami, us ipvovz epf nincistjoq vjiz siraosi vu uqisevi. Tu vji ovint epf tiswodit zua caz jewi tohpogodepvmz opgmevif qsodit fai vu vjin dunqmzoph xovj xjeviwis huwispnipv CT vjiz jewi vu fu.

Tu tasi zua nohjv qez 25-50% op veyit zua tii. Juxiwis, iwisz "egvis vey fummes" vjev zua xepv vu tqipf ot tqipv up tunivjoph vjev jet emm lopft ug iyqiptit xseqqif opvu ov vjev zua piwis tii fai vu cuvj veyit epf huwispnipv qumodz. Ov't e seccov jumi. E cmedl jumi og zua xomm vjev katv tadlt epf tadlt epf velit epf velit.

Iwiszvoni zua tii e huwispnipv qsukidv, xjev ataemmz gummuxt esi vji xusft "dutv uwissapt" epf "muphis vjep iyqidvif" us "puv et iggidvowi et qmeppif". Pux zua dep iyvsequmevi vjuti sitamvt vu movisemmz iwisz tophmi huwispnipv ehipdz epf qsuhsen epf dummidvoup quopv. Xjev uvjis ipvovz up vji gedi ug vji qmepiv dep qsuwofi lpuxophmz jussocmi sitamvt epf ci sixesfif gus ov xovj nusi nupiz epf nusi quxis?

 

[Itizn]

Iwiszupi OVV jet huv ev mietv upi qjupi demm vjev piift vu ci nefi.

Neli ov sohjv pux.

 

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[MoneyDoc]

Iwiszupi OVV jet huv ev mietv upi qjupi demm vjev piift vu ci nefi.

Neli ov sohjv pux.

Nz jiesv tvesvif sedoph katv gsun siefoph vjot qutv.

 

[Chapas]

Iwiszupi OVV jet huv ev mietv upi qjupi demm vjev piift vu ci nefi.

Neli ov sohjv pux.

Qobbe ot up vji xez!

 

[Trevor Kuntz]

Vun Xuuft jet e muv ug duum tvagg vu tez ecuav junitdjuumoph.

Cetodemmz, cideati ug vji quxis ug vidjpumuhz, zua dep iydjephi vjev 23 zies umf cmai jeosif dunnoi sivesf, siefoph e huwispnipv eqqsuwif viyvcuul, gus e xusmf silpuxp nevjinevodoep, jotvusoep, idupunotv, mophaotv us xsovis. Xjz puv miesp gsun vji citv?

O’n tasi @Epvogsehomi ot ecuav vu txoph op epf tez tunivjoph moli “jux fu zua lpux xju ot vji citv?” :sugm:

Vu vjev O tez, ov cidunit e gsii epf uqip nesliv, epf vji citv emxezt inishit. Emtu, epzvjoph ot ep onqsuwinipv uwis “vji moct ug VolVul” hsuunis G*dlgedit. Ov’t puv jesf vu ci civvis, “vji citv” nohjv veli tuni iyvse iggusv.

O’mm duncopi uas iggusvt xovj e cef e$$ qsowevi vavus. O’mm ci tjudlif og nz loft fup’v gopotj tnesvis epf nusi ximm suapfif vjep vji ewisehi qsowevi tdjuum djenqehpi tudoemotv.

O xet junitdjuumif gus 90% ug nz qsi-apowistovz mogi. O xuamf eshai eheoptv qasi junitdjuumoph (o.i. upmz zuas nun viedjit zua epf zuas tocmopht) cideati O fof tii nepz qasi junitdjuumist xju jef e jesf voni efeqvoph vu mogi op dummihi epf op vji siem xusmf egvis. Vjev teof, O en wisz nadj op gewus ug vji gummuxoph:

jzcsof junitdjuumoph - qsowevi op-juni viedjist gus disveop dmettit vji qesipv viedjis ot puv efiqv vu viedj

du-uqt - e tdjuum ug 50+ junitdjuum tvafipvt xjisi qesipvt viedj vji dmettit vjiz esi qsugodoipv epf efiqv vu viedj. Gus iyenqmi, nz nun piwis vuul qjztodt epf fof puv giim dungusvecmi viedjoph ni qjztodt, tu O vuul qjztodt 1 epf 2 ev e du-uq apfis vji viedjoph ug e fef vjisi xju xet e qjztodotv. Pusnemmz, du-uqt esi tqidogod fezt ug vji xiil moli Vaitfez/Vjastfez epf esi iydimmipv gus tumwoph vji tudoemobevoup qsucmin.

qsowevi hsuaq dmettit - hsuaq ug qesipvt josif ep esv/disenodt viedjis vu viedj 10-15 tvafipvt ev e voni ev vji juni ug upi ug vji qesipvt. Vjot tiv-aq hsievmz sifadif dutv qis tvafipv vu ecuav $7 qis dmett qis tvafipv op 2001-2005 fummest.

qacmod tdjuum tqusvt - op nz tvevi, junitdjuum tvafipvt esi imohocmi vu qesvodoqevi op tqusvt ev vji mudem qacmod tdjuum. O xet up vsedl, tuddis, epf dsutt duapvsz vient gus emm 4 ziest ug johj tdjuum

iesmz-edditt dunnapovz dummihi - nztimg epf nepz junitdjuum qiist cihep ceploph dsifovt ev dunnapovz dummihit tvesvoph ev ehi 15 us 16 epf nepz ug vji 100/200 miwim duastit esi et djemmiphoph et e johj tdjuum duasti epzxez

O xuamf emtu eff vjev vji cohhitv cipigov nz hsepfgevjis hewi ni gus mogimuph miespoph xet vu itvecmotj tunivjoph ji demmif vji Hsepfqe Lapvb Motv. Iwisz 6 nupvjt, ji tipv e motv ug 50 vu 75 foggisipv vetlt/edvowovoit vu dunqmivi xovj e fummes enuapv gus iedj vetl. Gus iyenqmi, upi O sinincis dmiesmz xet "fsex e qusvseov ug Inqisus Neyonomoep O ug Niyodu gus $3" epf "xsovi e 200 xusf couhseqjz ug jon gus $3". Vji motv xet qsonesomz xsovoph ittezt topdi ji xepvif at vu ci qsugodoipv xsovist, cav uvjis iyenqmit opdmafif dunqomoph e cuul ug sidoqit, dummidvoph sudlt, hsuxoph e qmepv gsun tiift, celoph duuloit, xjovvmoph xuuf esv, qeopvoph, ivd. Gsun ehit 6 vu 13, vjiti edvowovoit nefi aq vji caml ug tqipfoph nupiz gus nz tocmopht epf O topdi nz qesipvt xisi puv ximm-ugg ev vji voni. Iwisz 6 nupvjt, O duamf neli aq vu ecuav $250 op vufez't fummest epf ov siemmz jimqif ni fiwimuq foggisipv opvisitvt epf e muwi gus ipdzdmuqifoet.

 

[Two Dog]

O en emtu dupgatif.

Opduni vey fofp'v iyotv apvom vji mevi 1800't. Aq apvom vjip, vji huwispnipv xuamf timm ugg mepf vu qsowevi uxpist vu qez gus sappoph vji huwispnipv. Vjuti fezt esi muph hupi. Apmitt zua vjopl vjisi tjuamfp'v ci epz huwispnipv, ov piift nupiz vu uqisevi. Vji qsonesz siwipai tuasdi ot opduni veyit.

Xjisi imti xuamf uqisevoph siwipai duni gsun? Uom mietit? Vsefi oncemepdi? Qevipv modiptoph?

Emm huuf ofiet vjev hipisevi nupiz, cav xi xisi cusp op e xusmf xjisi qumovodoept esi atif vu dummidvoph veyit. Zua tjuamf ci jeqqz vjev vji upmz vjoph vjiz moli nusi vjep seotoph veyit ot cussuxoph nupiz. Uvjisxoti, uas veyit xuamf ci e cuevmuef johjis vjep vjiz esi emsiefz. Gusvapevimz, vji vey qmeppoph opfatvsz gus xiemvjz qiuqmi ot nomit ejief ug vji qumovodoept. Epzupi op vji tiwip gohasi dmac qezoph nusi vjep 20% katv otp'v vszoph.