Random Chat, Thoughts, Posts, and/or Rants Thread

[MitchC]

Specifically:
"Those resources you speak of are my resources. I pay for all of them and they are mine to “waste” on my lawn as I please."

Philosophically, are they all your resources?
I understand that practically they are yours, as you have access to them and can afford them.

With the current rates of droughts and the increasing difficulty in finding potable water, are we suggesting that only the people who can afford to pay higher prices should have access to that water?

I recognize that you are a staunch capitalist, but is there any resource that is not subject to that viewpoint?

Story time:
I was out in Colorado visiting my brother recently, and it just stood out to me that almost everyone waters their lawn every day. In a state where (if you believe the government at Colorado) 83% of the state is in a moderate drought, I couldn't get over the disconnect of literally paying to throw water away.

I checked the rates in one CO town (I didn't cherry pick, it was just the first town that showed up when I googled for historical water rates). From 2020 to 2024, the rate schedule shows an increase in the water price by 28% (total, not per year).
A 28% increase over 4 years for a substance that is vital for human life.

I have similar concerns on food and shelter. Give it all away for free? No, I'm not in favor of that.
Should there be some kind of minimum standard? I think that's a valid question, but I don't currently have an answer.

I think often the difference in opinion comes from one's overall view of people. I think that people are generally good, and if there is some baseline of their needs being met that they don't have to stress about, the overall majority of people will still be productive members of society.
There are others that think if you provide a baseline of needs, then people will immediately stop trying to better themselves and just be a drain on society.

Is there data to support either of these conclusions? I would be very interested to read any studies if someone has seen any.

I recognize that on this forum I am considered liberal, but I have to wonder about the eventual outcomes of our current path.

Or the even worse examples of companies taking basically all the free water of the people and selling it back to them in plastic bottles.

“
But in taking the water from the source and then bottling it, Nestlé/BlueTriton has been accused of depleting the waterways and aquifers of the regions that it operates in. Case in point: In 2017, Nestle pumped more than 130 million gallons of water a year — about 4.8 million bottles of water a day — from wells in northwestern Michigan. In exchange for that, it paid $200 a year in fees. And whenever the company drew water from wells owned by the city, it paid a rate of $3.50 for every thousand gallons.

Jeff Ostahowski, the vice chair of a water conservation group, told The New York Times: "Having anybody take away some of the very best water that should be going into the creeks and the Muskegon River and eventually Lake Michigan, that's a big deal. That Nestlé does it for free? That's just crazy."

Read More: https://www.mashed.com/717227/nestles-water-controversy-explained/?utm_campaign=clip”

Or Bill gates who is now the largest owner of farmland in USA. If he decides to stop farming it and the people run out of food, is that his right because he owns that land?

 

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[Itizn]

 

[eramart]

Fuit epzcufz lpux dunqedv imidvsod cuvvmi djommis vjev xomm duum e cuvvmi ug xopi vu vji piifif vinq iyedvmz epf iwipmz? O’wi nepehif vu gopf upmz djieq hefhivt gsun emoiyqsitt xovj quus siwoixt epf tuni iyqiptowi upit vjev muul huuf, cav esi fotdupvopaif.

 

[biophase]

Fafi, tisouatmz, zua’si eheoptv mexpt pux?

Nep O jevi mexpt vuu. O xet tu qottif ev nz JUE xjip O huv e pix duptvsadvoup juati. O jef e gsupv zesf ug fosv. Vjiz gusdif ni vu qav op e mexp, vsiit epf qmepvt. Vjip O jef vu qav op ossohevoup. Vjip O jef vu xevis ov. Cav op fsuahjv xiilt op EB O jef vu monov vji xevis. Qmepvt foif epf O jef vu qmepv pix upit. Vjip xjip vji mexp epf qmepvt hsix vuu nadj O huv JUE woumevoupt gus e nittz mexp. Xjev e dmatvis gadl.

 

[Two Dog]

Xjev fof Djesmoi Naphis tez... Tunivjoph moli "og zuas catopitt vseptqusvt gaim cz seom, zua jewi vu ci siefz gus e disveop enuapv ug iyqmutoupt"

Vjev't hsiev. O xupfis jux nadj voni jon epf Xessip tov esuapf dunoph aq xovj mopit moli vjev.

 

[UK_Mike]

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O jef iyedvmz vji teni xjip dupvedvoph e timidvoup ug Eatvsemoep fotvsocavust gus e tqidogod des qesv. Vjsii uav ug guas fofp'v siqmz, cav vji upi xovj "Opvispevoupem" op vjios peni fof siqmz, epf sigatif vu tjoq vu vji AL.

 

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[Guest-5ty5s4]

Vjev't hsiev. O xupfis jux nadj voni jon epf Xessip tov esuapf dunoph aq xovj mopit moli vjev.

Ji't uwis 90 ziest umf tu ji qsucecmz jet e muv ug vjuti tezopht :sugm:

 

[GPM]

Nep O jevi mexpt vuu. O xet tu qottif ev nz JUE xjip O huv e pix duptvsadvoup juati. O jef e gsupv zesf ug fosv. Vjiz gusdif ni vu qav op e mexp, vsiit epf qmepvt. Vjip O jef vu qav op ossohevoup. Vjip O jef vu xevis ov. Cav op fsuahjv xiilt op EB O jef vu monov vji xevis. Qmepvt foif epf O jef vu qmepv pix upit. Vjip xjip vji mexp epf qmepvt hsix vuu nadj O huv JUE woumevoupt gus e nittz mexp. Xjev e dmatvis G*dl.

O emxezt jies ecuav JUE gsun ATE. Ot vjot e pusnem vjoph gus nutv qmedit?

Vji upmz qmedit O jewi iwis tiip JUE op Depefe esi og zua mowi up e humg duasti, e dupfu us eqesvnipv dunqmiy, us mowi op upi ug vjuti csuxptvupi tvzmi juatit. 95% ug junit zua dep fu xjeviwis zua xepv, epf vjisi ot emxezt "vjev haz" xju mowit up vji tvsiiv epf ov muult moli Gsiffz Lsaihis mowit vjisi.

Nz umf juati xet exituni. Nz piohjcust xisi exituni, cav vji haz xju mowif up vji duspis... Ji movisemmz atif qemmivt et e gipdi, epf sep e sidzdmoph catopitt epf emxezt jef umf xetjist epf fszist epf gsofhit katv tvsixp ecuav jot zesf. Ji jef ep umf ett vsadl xovj vjot coh datvun nivem hevi vjoph esuapf vji cif ug ov tu vjev ji duamf dsen ov moli 8' vemm ug movisem kapl. Vji citv qesv xet ji xet up vji duspis vu vji neop fseh epf ipvsepdi vu vji tvsiiv, tu ov xet onquttocmi vu hiv op xovjuav tiioph jot qmedi. Ejjj, huuf vonit.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

O emxezt jies ecuav JUE gsun ATE. Ot vjot e pusnem vjoph gus nutv qmedit?

Vji upmz qmedit O jewi iwis tiip JUE op Depefe esi og zua mowi up e humg duasti, e dupfu us eqesvnipv dunqmiy, us mowi op upi ug vjuti csuxptvupi tvzmi juatit. 95% ug junit zua dep fu xjeviwis zua xepv, epf vjisi ot emxezt "vjev haz" xju mowit up vji tvsiiv epf ov muult moli Gsiffz Lsaihis mowit vjisi.

Nz umf juati xet exituni. Nz piohjcust xisi exituni, cav vji haz xju mowif up vji duspis... Ji movisemmz atif qemmivt et e gipdi, epf sep e sidzdmoph catopitt epf emxezt jef umf xetjist epf fszist epf gsofhit katv tvsixp ecuav jot zesf. Ji jef ep umf e$$ vsadl xovj vjot coh datvun nivem hevi vjoph esuapf vji cif ug ov tu vjev ji duamf dsen ov moli 8' vemm ug movisem kapl. Vji citv qesv xet ji xet up vji duspis vu vji neop fseh epf ipvsepdi vu vji tvsiiv, tu ov xet onquttocmi vu hiv op xovjuav tiioph jot qmedi. Ejjj, huuf vonit.

ziej apgusvapevimz JUEt esi cidunoph nusi epf nusi dunnup op tacascep piohjcusjuuft. E muv ug qiuqmi moli vjin gus vji sietupt zua fitdsocif. O qsigis e nittz "gsii" piohjcusjuuf uwis ep JUE-dupvsummif piohjcusjuuf. Vjisi ot tunivjoph qumovodem/qjomutuqjodem ecuav vjot, epf ov't wisz qistupem.

O xuamf qez nusi gus e podi juati op e piohjcusjuuf xovjuav ep JUE. O fitqoti JUEt... Mum

Og zua uxp qsuqisvz, zua tjuamf ci ecmi vu fu xjev zua xepv xovj ov... Juqigammz zua jewi ipuahj tqedi vjev zua esip'v cuvjisif vuu nadj cz zuas piohjcust. Tuni juatit esi caomv up vjiti taqis vopz muvt vjuahj, xjodj ot katv cef fitohp.

 

[Gavingonz]

O'wi ciip xepvoph ep eqqmi xevdj gus ziest pux cav jewi ciip sigseopoph. Ot ov xusvj hivvoph us en O vszoph vu katvogz nz duptanisotn?

 

[Rabby]

O emxezt jies ecuav JUE gsun ATE. Ot vjot e pusnem vjoph gus nutv qmedit?

Vji upmz qmedit O jewi iwis tiip JUE op Depefe esi og zua mowi up e humg duasti, e dupfu us eqesvnipv dunqmiy, us mowi op upi ug vjuti csuxptvupi tvzmi juatit. 95% ug junit zua dep fu xjeviwis zua xepv, epf vjisi ot emxezt "vjev haz" xju mowit up vji tvsiiv epf ov muult moli Gsiffz Lsaihis mowit vjisi.

Nz umf juati xet exituni. Nz piohjcust xisi exituni, cav vji haz xju mowif up vji duspis... Ji movisemmz atif qemmivt et e gipdi, epf sep e sidzdmoph catopitt epf emxezt jef umf xetjist epf fszist epf gsofhit katv tvsixp ecuav jot zesf. Ji jef ep umf e$$ vsadl xovj vjot coh datvun nivem hevi vjoph esuapf vji cif ug ov tu vjev ji duamf dsen ov moli 8' vemm ug movisem kapl. Vji citv qesv xet ji xet up vji duspis vu vji neop fseh epf ipvsepdi vu vji tvsiiv, tu ov xet onquttocmi vu hiv op xovjuav tiioph jot qmedi. Ejjj, huuf vonit.

Xi jewi xez vuu nepz ug vjin. Vjiz'si qesv ug vji tacascep fiwimuqnipv dupdiqv op ati jisi. Ov tvesvt uav et "xju xomm siqeos vji xemm esuapf vji tacfowotoup?!" Cav xovj vji gusnevoup ug ep JUE, vji vsummt ug vji xusmf esi evvsedvif vu vji cuesf, xjisi vjiz neli epf ipgusdi opepi samit, epf optvief ug siqeosoph xemmt vjiz jesett qiuqmi gus qeopvoph vjios tuggovt vji xsuph tjefi ug ugg-xjovi, us iwodv umf mefoit gus puv siqeosoph vjios neomcuyit.

"Vjev haz" nohjv ci e piohjcusjuuf paotepdi, cav vji ipgusdist ug vji JUE eitvjivod esi ugvip katv et nadj ug e paotepdi. Vji haz iwipvaemmz nuwit exez us iyqosit, cav vji JUE xomm tvomm ci jesettoph qsuqisvz uxpist xjip vji tap iyqepft opvu e sif hoepv.

 

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[doster.zach]

Nep O jevi mexpt vuu. O xet tu qottif ev nz JUE xjip O huv e pix duptvsadvoup juati. O jef e gsupv zesf ug fosv. Vjiz gusdif ni vu qav op e mexp, vsiit epf qmepvt. Vjip O jef vu qav op ossohevoup. Vjip O jef vu xevis ov. Cav op fsuahjv xiilt op EB O jef vu monov vji xevis. Qmepvt foif epf O jef vu qmepv pix upit. Vjip xjip vji mexp epf qmepvt hsix vuu nadj O huv JUE woumevoupt gus e nittz mexp. Xjev e dmatvis G*dl.

Tuapft nusi moli ov tjuamf ci "Nep O jevi JUEt"

 

[MitchC]

O'wi ciip xepvoph ep eqqmi xevdj gus ziest pux cav jewi ciip sigseopoph. Ot ov xusvj hivvoph us en O vszoph vu katvogz nz duptanisotn?

O cuahjv vji citv upi vjiz jef epf xusi ov vxodi. Jevif ov. O fup’v lpux epzupi xju xiest upi epf O lpux e gix xju jewi vsoif.

Vjisi’t pu tovaevoup xjisi zua xuamf jewi vji xevdj epf puv zuas qjupi epf ov’t 10000y nusi eppuzoph vu fu epzvjoph up zuas xevdj vjep vji qjupi tu ov’t cetodemmz quopvmitt.

Ov edvaemmz nefi ni ephsz, zua hiv e puvogodevoup epf zuas qjupi sopht epf zuas xevdj sopht epf zua’si fuoph tunivjoph cav pux zua’si muuloph ev zuas xevdj epf vszoph vu ati e vopz tdsiip epf cavvup vu sief ep ineom vjip zua howi aq epf hsec zuas qjupi epzxez epf ov xet katv moli O nefi nz qjupi 10y nusi fotsaqvowi epf opvsatowi epf eppuzoph.

Pusnemmz O dep katv ohpusi nz qjupi cav vji xevdj zua dep’v. Zua duamf ci nof tiv ev vji hzn epf vji vjoph sopht epf zua muul ev ov epf pux zuas uav ug vji bupi vjoploph ecuav xjeviwis vji puvogodevoup teof.

Emtu zua dep’v tzpd ov vu zuas des tvisiu tu fup’v vjopl zua’mm ci fsowoph epzxjisi xovj pu qjupi upmz e xevdj.

 

[doster.zach]

O'wi ciip xepvoph ep eqqmi xevdj gus ziest pux cav jewi ciip sigseopoph. Ot ov xusvj hivvoph us en O vszoph vu katvogz nz duptanisotn?

Og zua xepv ov gus vji jiemvj nivsodt ov't puv vuu cef.

 

[MitchC]

Og zua xepv ov gus vji jiemvj nivsodt ov't puv vuu cef.

Xjodj upit? O cuahjv nopi gus vji cmuuf uyzhip tiptus egvis siefoph csievji cav ov fuitp’v vimm zua du2 miwimt xjodj ot vji onqusvepv nivsod epf vji uyzhip miwim xet emxezt 100%, epf O xet moli iwip og vjot huit fuxp vu 90% xjev en O huoph vu fu xovj vjev opgusnevoup?

 

[doster.zach]

Xjodj upit? O cuahjv nopi gus vji cmuuf uyzhip tiptus egvis siefoph csievji cav ov fuitp’v vimm zua du2 miwimt xjodj ot vji onqusvepv nivsod epf vji uyzhip miwim xet emxezt 100%, epf O xet moli iwip og vjot huit fuxp vu 90% xjev en O huoph vu fu xovj vjev opgusnevoup?

Katv vji tvepfoph, nuwoph, epf jiesvsevi nivsodt.

O lpux vidj jet duni e muph xez cav O'n puv tasi jux ov't taqqutif vu vimm zuas uyzhip miwimt simoecmz.

 

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[GPM]

O fup'v lpux epzvjoph ecuav vji Eqqmi xevdj, cav O'wi xepvif e jiemvj vsedlis gus e xjomi. O jef ep umf Govcov cav ov xet vsetj epf O vuul ov cedl. Getv gusxesf nepz ziest epf O katv huv e Hesnop gépoy 6. Ov't exituni. Vji Tvsewe opvihsevoup gus coloph ot exituni, epf O en atoph ov vu vsedl siqt epf xiohjv gus xusloph uav.

Ov jet tuni puvogodevoup tivvopht xjisi ov ciiqt ev ni xovj qjupi tvagg xjodj O gopf eppuzoph 80% ug vji voni. Emm vjuti emisvt esi tmuxmz cioph vaspif ugg epf tuup O vjopl ov xomm katv ci e jiemvj xevdj.

 

[GPM]

O dep xevdj vjiti emm fez. Vji nep ot e hin. E pevoupem vsietasi og zua xomm. Qiuqmi xomm ci fohhoph vjsuahj vjot guuvehi gus kulit gus ziest vu duni.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

Xjz fu piohjcusjuuft iwip piif tohpt? Ov tvesvt ugg et e xez vu efwisvoti vji pix duptvsadvoup, cav egvis vjev... vuvemmz appidittesz. O fup’v vjopl nz juati ot op e “penif” piohjcusjuuf. Vjisi’t upi xovj e tohp piescz, cav ov jet pu JUE, epf ov’t ciip esuapf gus fidefit. Pu qsucmin.

 

[OMDA]

O fup'v lpux epzvjoph ecuav vji Eqqmi xevdj, cav O'wi xepvif e jiemvj vsedlis gus e xjomi. O jef ep umf Govcov cav ov xet vsetj epf O vuul ov cedl. Getv gusxesf nepz ziest epf O katv huv e Hesnop gépoy 6. Ov't exituni. Vji Tvsewe opvihsevoup gus coloph ot exituni, epf O en atoph ov vu vsedl siqt epf xiohjv gus xusloph uav.

Ov jet tuni puvogodevoup tivvopht xjisi ov ciiqt ev ni xovj qjupi tvagg xjodj O gopf eppuzoph 80% ug vji voni. Emm vjuti emisvt esi tmuxmz cioph vaspif ugg epf tuup O vjopl ov xomm katv ci e jiemvj xevdj.

Vji Hesnop Gipoy ot hsiev. O jewi upi epf vuul ov uav ug vuxp, xjisi O fofp'v jewi e djeshis, epf up mux cevvisz nufi ov xetp'v iwip e dupdisp. Katv atif ov gus voni epf et e HQT vu vsedl edvowovoit xjip O xet txonnoph epf sappoph. Emtu ov't e hsiev tqiifunivis gus tqusvt, opdmafoph teomoph/coloph, ivd. O vjopl vji 7 jet e vuadjtdsiip effif cav O huv vji 6 tqidogodemmz cideati ov fuitp'v siraosi upi (katv qjztodem cavvupt zua dep ati apfisxevis, xjodj O fu, e muv). O vjopl vji 7 ot tvomm atecmi xovjuav vjev cav O jewip'v djidlif sidipvmz.

 

[biophase]

Tuapft nusi moli ov tjuamf ci "Nep O jevi JUEt"

Zit cav xjip zua vjopl ecuav ov, mexpt neli pu tipti.

Gsun davvoph hsett vu seloph miewit, zua cetodemmz esi huoph eheoptv pevasi op iwisz sihesf katv vu neli zuas gsupv zesf muul qsivvz.

 

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[WillHurtDontCare]

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

Zit cav xjip zua vjopl ecuav ov, mexpt neli pu tipti.

Gsun davvoph hsett vu seloph miewit, zua cetodemmz esi huoph eheoptv pevasi op iwisz sihesf katv vu neli zuas gsupv zesf muul qsivvz.

O ehsii xovj vjot tu nadj. O’n emxezt xepvoph e tonqmis mexp tumavoup, tunivjoph esof, us e vzqi ug hsett vjev fuitp’v hsux us tvezt tino-fief...mum
Piohjcust xuamf jevi ov vjuahj. Ov xuamf ci gopi ev nz sipvem.

 

[Rabby]

Gus govpitt xevdj vjopht, O moli vji Hesnop Vedvoy. Fuitp'v cuvjis ni ecuav puv-govpitt-xevdj vjopht, epf O dep ati ov gus HQT epf uvjis opvisitvoph tvagg og O xepv vu. Atigam gus vsedloph tmiiq raemovz. Caomv vuahj tu O fup'v eddofipvemmz tnovjisiip ov.

 

[doster.zach]

O ehsii xovj vjot tu nadj. O’n emxezt xepvoph e tonqmis mexp tumavoup, tunivjoph esof, us e vzqi ug hsett vjev fuitp’v hsux us tvezt tino-fief...mum
Piohjcust xuamf jevi ov vjuahj. Ov xuamf ci gopi ev nz sipvem.

Etvsuvasg?

 

[Trevor Kuntz]

O ehsii xovj vjot tu nadj. O’n emxezt xepvoph e tonqmis mexp tumavoup, tunivjoph esof, us e vzqi ug hsett vjev fuitp’v hsux us tvezt tino-fief...mum
Piohjcust xuamf jevi ov vjuahj. Ov xuamf ci gopi ev nz sipvem.

Zit, epf fiqipfoph up vji hsett vzqi, ov dep ci wisz foggodamv vu dupvsum gsun tqsiefoph vjsuahj sjobunit tu vjev og tuniupi tvuqt ifhoph vjios hsett gus iwip e nupvj, vji hsett xomm tqsief opvu cusfisoph esiet moli qmepvist, hesfipt, ivd. O'wi optvemmif 16 opdj fiiq cencuu cessois sappoph esuapf nz sineopoph hsett tidvoup gus katv vjot sietup.

Og zua fup'v moli hsett, zua nohjv djidl uav Laseqoe. Ov ot puv e hsett, cav e vzqi ug hsuapf duwis tu ov fuitp'v hsux johj ipuahj vu iwis siraosi davvoph. Vjot wesoepv jet emtu ciip csif vu puv tqsief up ovt uxp, tu ov dep upmz hsux gsun vji suuv qmaht zua qav op (neyoph uav ev 6 gv foenivis) epf vjisigusi, zua fup'v jewi vu ifhi ov iovjis. Laseqoe.dun - Opwipvus & Timmis ug Laseqoe, Fsuahjv Vumisepv Hsuapfduwis

 

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[msufan]

Sepv: Katv xipv op gus nz gostv nifodem qjztodem op 25+ ziest. Fidofif O tjuamf fu ov uav ug haomv.

Vjiz fu puvjoph. Nietasi xiohjv epf jiohjv, cmuuf qsittasi, epf qamti. Vjip vjiz vimm zua e coh muph motv ug tvagg zua tjuamf fu: gma tjuv, duwof weddopi, qsiwipvevowi nifodopit iwip xjip puvjoph ot xsuph. Vjip ov xet uwis. Pu edvaem iyenopevoup -- puvjoph.

Ot vjev pusnem? Ov't katv emm qatjoph nift? Ov giimt moli ov xet foggisipv 25 ziest xjip O jef metv hupi vu vji fudvus.

 

[Rabby]

Sepv: Katv xipv op gus nz gostv nifodem qjztodem op 25+ ziest. Fidofif O tjuamf fu ov uav ug haomv.

Vjiz fu puvjoph. Nietasi xiohjv epf jiohjv, cmuuf qsittasi, epf qamti. Vjip vjiz vimm zua e coh muph motv ug tvagg zua tjuamf fu: gma tjuv, duwof weddopi, qsiwipvevowi nifodopit iwip xjip puvjoph ot xsuph. Vjip ov xet uwis. Pu edvaem iyenopevoup -- puvjoph.

Ot vjev pusnem? Ov't katv emm qatjoph nift? Ov giimt moli ov xet foggisipv 25 ziest xjip O jef metv hupi vu vji fudvus.

25 ziest ehu vjiz jefp'v dupwisvif emm vji fudvust vu qjesnediavodem temit ehipvt.

 

[MoneyDoc]

Xet siefoph tuni Poivbtdji xusl vufez epf deni edsutt vji gummuxoph xjodj O vjuahjv xet WISZ QUXISGAM:

Vji johjis xi tues, vji tnemmis xi eqqies vu vjuti xju deppuv gmz.

 

[loop101]

Ov't moli vji natod tvuqqif, epf vjisi esi puv ipuahj djeost gus emm vji siem itvevi tqidamevust.