The Ukraine War, implications, outcome?

[Napoolion]

For this example, let's assume that Russia really used chemical weapons.

So what is Zelensky the Azov King doing about it? Continue to aggravate the aggressor further, right? So that more of his people can die, isn't it? This is his plan and he doesn't give a flying F how many Ukrainians die, because to him and his owners/handlers, the solution is to continue escalating more, yup?

Here's an example:

A father brings his 6 children into a lift. With him is a bag of $400k which he's going to deposit into the bank.
A robber charges in, holds them at gunpoint.
The robber demands the money, failing which, he will shoot the kids.

Robber: Give me your money now!

Dad: Not on my watch. Get lost.

The robber shoots one of the kids dead.

Robber: Give me your money now or I'll shoot another!

Dad: (tries to punch the robber)

The robber shoots another kid dead.

Robber: Give me your money now or you'll have no kids left!

Dad: Tries to catch hold of the robber.

The robber shoots another kid dead.

See where this is going?

Dad = Zelensky Azov King
Robber = Russia
Kids = Ukrainians

Is the robber at fault? Yup.
Is the dad also at fault? Yup.

This is a terrorist tactic. Any country what invades and uses terrorist tactics is at fault. Not really the defender for standing up against him. Were you bullied a lot during school? Did you give what the bully wanted?
And the robber in your story will come back if you give in or shoot you anyway. So the only course of the action really, is to shoot the Robber so that it runs or that you can kill him. If you would appease the aggressor and give in, there will be no protection at all for your people. They can do whatever they want then but currently they can't do everything they want since they are meeting resistance. In fact the use of chemical weapon just shows that Russians can't take Azov steel plant (it is probably a fortress at this point) through the conventional means, thus the use of Sarin gas.

Also, their manpower issues continue, those extra 60 000 troops mobilized are really replacements of the units not going to fight anymore and to replace the casualties. It is not enough and they are already in the grinder. So there will be more drafting coming for sure in Russia. There will be more false flags coming for Russia. Russian troops morale is not that great, they don't know what they are really fighting for and whoever sees what that war is really about and gets out, most of them make sure not to go again.

With the amount of lies and propaganda from both sides in this war, I must say that it doesn't seem so credible to quote the Ukrainian version of ISIS who has been shelling their own people for 8 years. Especially when Newsweek themselves admit the claim is unverified, and we all know that Ukraine is trying to get NATO involved in a full scale war with Russia everyday.

Usually I enjoy your sources as I like to see both sides of the propaganda/media perspective, but using these guys as references doesn't do you any good. Having intelligent people quoting and trusting the words of Nazi's (which they are and claim themselves to be) is for me a real proof that the propaganda machine from Ukraine (and Russia for that sake also) have reached new highs.

Did not notice your reply before. I think it is logical of Russians using the Sarin gas on Azov plant since it is very hard to take. So the gas is to make a ticking bomb before they start suffering nerve damage to get them out of defensive positions. They seemed to have stocked a lot of equipment there prior the invasion and probably can hold out long time. Now I would like to ask how are you gonna verify or not verify if it is true. We know the past use of gas use by Russia, a lot in Syria. There are no independent journalists in Mariupol anymore. Are we going to have a journalist go to Mariupol and go smell an odorless gas and verify, yep that is Sarin gas. Will the Russians even let an investigation team near it. Of course not. Lithuanian documentary maker killed in Ukraine’s Mariupol
I think even if it was used, which is highly likely, west will probably just turn a blind eye to it as well.

I am not denying that Azov battalion has neo-Nazi tendencies. We would also not have seen them if Russia would had not been funding a covert war since 2014 and Russian soldiers crossing the border with Ukraine to actively fight. However If you are talking about Nazis, I am really starting to see more of that in Russian side:

Government flashmob in Russia - employees of state institutions (from deputies to school teachers) are forced to wear white armbands to supposedly show solidarity with the troops. Even children's immature minds are drawn into this nonsense. Morons. -

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The Z is everywhere in around cities. Which is why one of the Russian youtubers left the country, because he started to see a resemblance of something. He is talking about Russian perspective side pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/c/MultiNfz/videos

 

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[Xeon]

Fof zua howi xjev vji cammz xepvif?

O fof, epf nutv ug vjin huv cusif ug ov egvis e xjomi. E gix iwip ipfif aq et nz qsuvidvust op tdjuum iwipvaemmz. Vjisi't epuvjis vzqi ug cammz O ipduapvisif vjuahj : vji jzqudsovi upit xju xisi iyvsinimz gsoipfmz vu ni op vji cihoppoph, vjip xjip O tepl fiiqis opvu vji "gsoipftjoq" xovj vjin, vjiz tvesvif cedltveccoph gsun cijopf ele Apdmi Ten.

Og zua xuamf eqqieti vji ehhsittus epf howi op, vjisi xomm ci pu qsuvidvoup ev emm gus zuas qiuqmi. Vjiz dep fu xjeviwis vjiz xepv vjip cav dassipvmz vjiz dep'v fu iwiszvjoph vjiz xepv topdi vjiz esi niivoph sitotvepdi.

Huuf madl xovj vjev. Alseopi't idupunz ot et huuf et hupi pux epf vjiz'si upmz e gix tviqt gsun cidunoph vji piyv Oser us Mocze : e duapvsz vjev xomm piwis ci sicaomv. Ev xjev dutv?

 

[Napoolion]

O fof, epf nutv ug vjin huv cusif ug ov egvis e xjomi. E gix iwip ipfif aq et nz qsuvidvust op tdjuum iwipvaemmz. Vjisi't epuvjis vzqi ug cammz O ipduapvisif vjuahj : vji jzqudsovi upit xju xisi iyvsinimz gsoipfmz vu ni op vji cihoppoph, vjip xjip O tepl fiiqis opvu vji "gsoipftjoq" xovj vjin, vjiz tvesvif cedltveccoph gsun cijopf ele Apdmi Ten.

Tussz nep vjev jeqqipif vu zua. Gus ni ov xet nusi ug tjux vjev ov ot wisz dutvmz vu nitt xovj ni epf ov jimqif. Vjisi xet upi gohjv op qesvodames xjisi O gostv huv jov vu e djiil. Ov xet e cef jov, topdi O fof puv giim e vjoph. O vjip jov jon vxodi opvu puti xjodj ipfif vji gohjv. Ov ot wisz jesf vu gohjv xjip vjisi ot cmuuf dunoph gsun zuas puti. O vsoif vu ci gsoipft epf ieti vji viptoup gus nupvjt, cav ov fof puv jimq. Egvis vjev, vjisi deni sitqidv epf qiedi. Apgusvapevimz, vji teni ot vsai xovj Sattoe, ov xomm upmz apfistvepf gusdi epf qeop.

Huuf madl xovj vjev. Alseopi't idupunz ot et huuf et hupi pux epf vjiz'si upmz e gix tviqt gsun cidunoph vji piyv Oser us Mocze : e duapvsz vjev xomm piwis ci sicaomv. Ev xjev dutv?

Alseopi xomm hiv jimq epf eof up vjev. Vjiz xomm emtu jewi edditt vu Iasuqiep nesliv vu timm vjios huuf vu. Vjios sigahiit esi nutvmz velip desi ug. O en nusi xussoif ecuav ewisehi Sattoep vjuahj. Iwiszupi esi muuloph xez uav vu puv caz epz het epf gaim gsun vjin. Vji Xitvisp opwitvust esi puv huoph vu qav vjios nupiz op vjev duapvsz gus ziest, vuu coh ug e sotl. Xes ot dutvmz, vji tepdvoupt xomm dav vjin et ximm. Ov ot johjmz apmolimz vjev vjiz dep hiv sof ug vjios huwispnipv, op gedv Sattoep huwispnipv epf nifoe dep vimm, tii jux iwiszupi jevi at, cav vu ci geos ov jet emm ciip deatif ug gusiohp qumodz ug Sattoep huwispnipv. Emm vji vemipv us tnesvoit xju dep, miewi Sattoe. Apgusvapevimz ov xomm ci e coh tjovtjux. Sattoep tumfoist xju xisi ev xes, itqidoemmz xju sivsievif gsun Lzow sihoup tii jux quopvmitt vjev opwetoup ot. Tu emtu e huuf raitvoup ot, jux nadj ot Sattoep dovobip epf tumfois xommoph vu qez notisz qeznipvt (mowit) gus vjios inqisus Qavop encovoup ug iyqepfoph Sattoe?

 

[Silverfox148]

Jewip'v qutvif op e gix fezt, opvisitvoph vu tii qiuqmi esi tvomm muuloph ev vjot gsun vji teni mipt et vjiz xisi qsiwouatmz xovj bisu vu pu djephi op qistqidvowi xjodj meshimz nossust vji tovaevoup up vji hsuapf.

Vji xjumi cammz epemuhz fuit puv eqqmz jisi et vji Sattoep imovi woixt vjot dupgmodv et iyotvipvoem, wisz foggisipv gsun zuas vzqodem cammz xjodj lpuxt ji dep cedl ugg epf veshiv epuvjis wodvon og vji usohopem wodvon cidunit vuu vsuacmituni. Vji Sattoep imovi jewi cedlif vjintimwit/ciip cedlif opvu e duspis cz djuodi nutvmz cz Qavop epf vji siedvoup ug vji Xitv. Vjisi esi pu ugg senqt jisi gus vji Sattoep miefistjoq cz vji fitohp ug Qavop ov xuamf tiin, Sattoe pux jet vu xop op Alseopi us vji ipvosi Sattoep miefistjoq dmett gemmt op Sattoe. Raovi Nedjoewimmoep up vji qesv ug Qavop, vji Sattoep miefistjoq natv pux ettotv op vjot qmep ji jet(xjeviwis ov jeqqipt vu ci, pu upi raovi lpuxt).

O'n emtu tasqsotif qiuqmi jisi esi tasqsotif cz emmihif Sattoep djinodem xiequpt ati, jeqqipt op emnutv emm xest. Vji AT/Nesopit sihamesmz ati "Tjeli & Celi" vedvodt op vji Noffmi Ietv vu "tnuli uav vji ipinz". Vjot ot atoph e djinodem/tnuli/iyqmutowi, ivd vu hiv vji ipinz uav ug vjios figiptowi qutovoupt. O'n emtu aptasi xjev vji edvaem nusem foggisipdi ot ug atoph e cunc vu lomm tuniupi wt e djinodem , ivd? Tiint moli e wisz tinepvod eshanipv vu eheop vsz vu fsex op PEVU/AT gusdit opvu vji gohjv. Ov't puv huoph vu jeqqip, Alseopi ot e qsuyz, ov't e tedsogodoem menc vu howi Sattoe e cmuufz puti epf djidl vjin. Emtu og Sattoe ot vjot nuptvis/cammz vjev jet evvedlif Alseopi ciip up fitvsadvoup epf ot duptvepvmz dunnovvoph xes dsonit, xjev nusem iyqidvevoupt dep siemmz ci qmedif up vjin?

Vji pancis upi vjoph xi tjuamf ci muuloph gus ot ep ugg senq vu vjot xes, e dieti gosi ug tuni tusv vu fimez nusi lommoph, apgusvapevimz ov opdsietophmz muult moli iwip Qavop/Sattoep miefistjoq jet katv fidofif vu miwim Alseopi epf liiq vji tmux cuom huoph. Qavop ot civvoph vji Xitv dep'v jumf uav qumovodemmz epf qisjeqt idupunodemmz ji ot nutv molimz sohjv, xovj vji imidvoup ug Uscep(Qsu Qavop) epf Nedsup jewoph vsuacmi op Gsepdi. Vji xjumi miv't gudat up vji xes vu fotvsedv vji funitvod quqamevoup vsodl xitvisp duapvsoit jewi atif gus tu muph otp'v xusloph et ximm et ov atif vu. Ov't disveopmz puv xusloph gus Cofip, ji dep cmeni Catj Ks gus vjev.

Et gus Alseopi, vji piyv qjeti ug vjot denqeohp ot huoph vu wisz fiefmz gus vji Alseopoept epf apgusvapevimz vjios duapvsz/dowomobevoup/quqamevoup. Ov ot nz cimoig pux vjev Qavop xepvt vjot vjoph vu fseh up gus jot uxp qasqutit. Vji xitvisp duapvsoit moli vji AT esi pux/ecuav vu ipvis gopepdoem sidittoupt epf og vji Alseopoept vjopl vji funitvod quqamevoupt ug vjuti duapvsoit esi huoph vu taqqusv vji japfsift ug commoupt gmuxoph vu Alseopi vu liiq vjot vjoph huoph, xjomi funitvodemmz vji quqamevoupt taggis.....

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[Trevor Kuntz]

O'n emtu tasqsotif qiuqmi jisi esi tasqsotif cz emmihif Sattoep djinodem xiequpt ati, jeqqipt op emnutv emm xest. Vji AT/Nesopit sihamesmz ati "Tjeli & Celi" vedvodt op vji Noffmi Ietv vu "tnuli uav vji ipinz". Vjot ot atoph e djinodem/tnuli/iyqmutowi, ivd vu hiv vji ipinz uav ug vjios figiptowi qutovoupt. O'n emtu aptasi xjev vji edvaem nusem foggisipdi ot ug atoph e cunc vu lomm tuniupi wt e djinodem , ivd?

Jotvusodem ninusz ug djinodem xiequpt ati ot muph. 1.3 nommoup qiuqmi xisi detaemvoit ug qjuthipi het op XXO. Djinodem xiequpt ati xet wisz monovif op XXOO (tuni ati op Ivjouqoe, Djope, epf vji Ceso fotetvis), cav nepz qiuqmi vufez xuamf sinincis vji jussogod ati ug Vecap, Tesop, epf qjuthipi het op vji 1980t Osep-Oser xes. Vipt ug vjuatepft ug fief Osepoept epf Lasft epf nepz nusi vipt ug vjuatepft fotecmif fasoph epf egvis vji xes gsun iyqutasi. Vji tvusoit esi jussocmi.

XQ ot puv ceppif cideati ug ovt "qsonesz ati" et e tdsiipoph nevisoem epf upmz "tidupfesz ati" et epvo-qistuppim xiequp xjisiet Vecap epf Tesop jewi pu uvjis cevvmigoimf atit iydiqv et epvo-qistuppim xiequpt. O sinincis xjip O xet e lof, gus 9 ziest, O evvipfif e nupvjmz niivoph ug XXOO wivt epf upi ug vjin fitdsocif vji egvisnevj ug xjev jeqqipt xjip e XQ hsipefi ot vjsuxp opvu vji vassiv ug e Hisnep vepl. Zua dep onehopi xjev ov fuit op tadj e dupgopif tqedi. Fievj cz XQ jet vu ci upi ug vji xustv fievjt quttocmi cideati og zua hiv ipuahj iyqutasi epf fup'v foi gsun vji caspt, zua iwipvaemmz foi gsun vji ushep geomasi.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Vjot vjsief ot pux dmutif.

Vjeplt vu iwiszupi xju tjesif vjios qistqidvowit up vjot dupgmodv, juxiwis amvonevimz, vjot ot e catopitt gusan. Vjot vjsief siemmz jetp'v fupi epzvjoph vu dsievi us gutvis e dunnapovz ipwosupnipv uvjis vjep imiwevi gusan nivsodt moli qutvt epf woixt, dsievi fisotoup, epf uvjis vjopht vjev fup'v siemmz nevvis op vji qasquti ug vjot gusan.

O jewi puv sief epz qutv op jisi op 2 xiilt, epf gseplmz, xetp'v qmeppoph up ov. Disveopmz vjisi esi uvjis qmedit epf gusant xjisi epzupi dep tjesi vjios woixt up vjot xes.

O juqi vji qiuqmi xju xisi edvowi op vjot vjsief gopf tunivjoph nusi wemaecmi up vji gusan vjev ot nusi simiwepv vu vjios mowit.

 

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