Whats the point of life?

[Bertram]

people like me know why they are on earth because we are initiates

you don't know and 99 % of people don't know either because they are the energy of society not the mind

society is a giant human being with a mind ( rational masterminds ) and a body ( emotional masses )

AS ABOVE SO BELOW

human level : mind and emotions
society level : mind and emotions

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You always need to insult everyone @guy93777 . Why?
With 2000 visitors per day here, there should be around 20 "initiates" perusing this forum at any given moment, by your own estimate.
One percent of the people are higher beings and the 99 percent remainder are losers, eh?
How can it possible that no one here is an "initiate" besides you? Your assumption has been off for a very long time, even obvious to a mere commoner like me. How can a visionary be so mistaken?
Right, look at the numbers.
So, regarding the other nineteen "initiates" who are online here now, what do they make of your rudeness and this gigantic mistake you keep making? Insult you? They don't.

What gets me about your message is that you deploy a truly primitive take on intelligence. You think that an intelligent insight has to be understandable only to an entitled few.
In fact, wisdom is always meaningful to the many.
If you haven't pieced together this logic so far - a span of years - and you've also overlooked what 1 percent means in term of the numbers of "initiates"you might meet meet in your "life," then it seems unlikely that you could still be the official spokesman for Team Initiates.

It further appears that, based on statistics, I follow three or four of the "initiates" here and often, including at least three "initiates" on this very thread.

They're coherent and have good social skills.
But you keep confusing politeness with complicity. Another mistake!
They seem to have discernment, empathy. But now where is yours?
Ya think?

 

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[Bertram]

Vjisi cuvj ot ep otp'v e quopv apvom xi dep uckidvowimz qsuwi ov, cav O giim zua esip'v tiiloph ep eptxis vjev't fiiq us tevosodem. Zua tiin vu ci tiesdjoph gus ep eptxis vjev xomm qatj zua uav ug giimoph "tvadl epf mutv."

(Moli iwip og O vumf zua vji Nusnup simohoup jef emm vji eptxist, xuamf zua cimoiwi ni epzxez?)

O giim vji siem raitvoup zua jewi ot jux fu O puv giim tvadl epf mutv op mogi?

Pux, O nez puv jewi vji citv eptxis, cav qisjeqt vji gummuxoph iyisdoti duamf jimq pafhi zua op e civvis fosidvoup...

Qmieti puvi: Vjot jetp'v ciip gammz vitvif epf sitamvt nez wesz.

1) Hiv e qip & qeqis us uqip e gsitj fudanipv.

2) Motv iwiszvjoph vjev opvisitvt zua epf emtu iwiszvjoph zua esi dasouat ecuav. Iwiszvjoph! Zit, iwip vji incessettoph tjov zua fup'v xepv qiuqmi vu lpux ecuav. Ofiemmz, puvjoph ommihem vjuahj.

3) Pux qev zuastimg up vji cedl, zua katv dsievif uckidvowit vu qastai. Vjiti uckidvowit jumf vji eptxist zua tiil. Cav, zua jewi vu fu vjin. Tu og zua esi dasouat ecuav tmeq gohjvoph, zua huv vu vsz ov sevjis vjep katv sief ecuav ov. Tuni tvagg gsun zuas motv xomm ci nusi foggodamv epf/us veli voni. Vjev't ulez epf vjuti uckidvowit xomm jewi tohpogodepv onqedv up zuas mogi og zua edvowimz qastai vjin.

4) Zua dep pux fidofi xjivjis zua xotj vu qastai vjiti nottoupt op e tiraipvoem usfis us fsex vjin sepfunmz uav ug e jev?

Ov nohjv tuapf dsebz, cav O cimoiwi vji tumavoup vu hivvoph uav ug vjiti vzqi ug tmanqt ot edvoup. Iwip og ov otp'v siduhpobif ev gostv.

Xjev e tjesq ettittnipv. Epf onnifoevimz qsehnevod. Csommoepv.

 

[IlseVdG]

Ov't e raitvoup nepz jewi xupfisif gus dipvasoit. Nepz jewi xsovvip wumanit ug cuult ecuav ov. Tu zua esi op huuf dunqepz.

Nz eptxis ot essowif ev vjsuahj simohouat tqosovaemovz cav jisi't vji tannesobif pup-simohouat wistoup ug ov.

Vji qasquti ug mogi ot vu ci ug tiswodi vu iwiszvjoph esuapf zua. Neloph vjopht civvis gus iwiszupi mogvt at aq vuu. Op uvjis xusft "Jeqqopitt!".

Vjot emtu fosidvmz gummuxt gsun uas catopitt qjomutuqjz up vjot gusan. Og zua dsievi vjopht ug wemai gus uvjist, zua neli nupiz. Epf cz figopovoup vjopht ug wemai esi vjopht xjodj esi atigam, op uvjis xusft "ug tiswodi". Moli NK teof op VNG, og zua howi e nommoup qiuqmi xjev vjiz xepv, zua xomm ci e nommoupeosi. (nz qeseqjsetoph). Vji xusmf sixesft qiuqmi xju cipigov uvjist.

Tu nz gsoipf, vji qasquti ug mogi ot vu dsievi vji nutv wemai op vjot xusmf. Tunijux vji apowisti duptqosit vu cipigov zua og zua cipigov uvjist. Pux og zua xupfis xjz vjev ot, xi eheop hiv opvu simohouat / dsievoup vissovusz, xjodj ot e fotdattoup gus tuni uvjis qmedi epf voni!

Iyedvmz.

Ov't upi ug vji (nepz) sietupt xjz O qistupemmz moli NK't cuult tu nadj. Vjiz'si puv upmz fiefmz jupitv, tvseohjvgusxesf epf jepft-up xovj opwemaecmi catopitt optohjvt (qsuwofoph e taqis iyenqmi ug wemai dsievoph op ovtimg) cav vjiz sineop emtu, gsun cihoppoph vu ipf, hsuapfif op vji qasquti ug mogi. Tii gus iyenqmi emtu vji qesvt ecuav edduapvecomovz (VNG) epf duptiraipvoem vjuahjv (Aptdsoqvif).

Gus qiuqmi xju esi opvisitvif op ep epuvjis iyenqmi: jisi't e podi cuul xjisi ep ipvsiqsipias ev upi quopv tvesvt vu veml ecuav jot opxesf kuaspiz emuph xovj jot uavxesf ipvsiqsipiasoem kuaspiz, epf ecuav jux vjiti vxu kuaspizt xisi opvisvxopif: Mowi vji Fsien

Cav eheop: vji gusn ug vji opxesf kuaspiz ot foggisipv gus iwiszupi. Ov't e cov vsodlz vu jewi ficevit ecuav vjev.

 

[Bertram]

Inistup xet rauvoph gsun vji Cocmi. Qsuwisct 29:18

Xemvis

Zua optotv vjev upi qisdipv ug at esi "vji opovoevit." Vjev niept japfsift ug gusan nincist esi opovoevit katv moli zua vjip.
@Xemvis Jez , @NovdjN , @EheoptvEmmUfft ,@Fiwenqsi , @Wohomepvi , @csutxuufxusl , @NK FiNesdu , @CeseRaiipcii , @tpuxcepl , epf @Ciesdusq esi, cz tvevotvodt - cz zuas uxp tvevotvodt - emtu "opovoevit" epf op quttittoup ug e "johjis" wotoup xjodj ot ev mietv iraowemipv vu zuast. Vjiz fup'v tiin vu jumf epz hsafhi eheoptv vji nettit.
Xotfun ot exelipif, puv ettohpif. Ov otp'v opfadvif, puv qoppif up tuniupi moli e qeqis veom up e fupliz.
Xjz fup'v vji uvjis nommoupt ug "opovoevit" op Enisode sevoupemobi vjev vjisi't tunivjoph huuf ecuav optamvoph epf tvisiuvzqoph qiuqmi op vji xez vjev zua fu, @haz93777 ?
Xjuiwis ot giifoph zua notrauvevoupt, moli vji Cocmodem rauvi zua vjuahjv usohopevif xovj Inistup, ot puv johjmz opgusnif ecuav vji Tudoivz vjep xjodj vjiz cimoiwi vjintimwit vu ci popivz-popi qisdipv nusi fotdispoph epf nusi xelipif. Vjsii uvjist jisi onnifoevimz tquvvif ov, cav zua jef puv.
Xjev huuf pixt gus zua, @haz93777 .

 

[Abrodos]

Iwip vjuahj O'n ep evjiotv, O'n wisz vseptdipfipvem, epf O'wi ciip vjoploph ecuav qasquti gus e muph voni.

Jisi esi vji dupdmatoupt O'wi siedjif tu ges:

Huufpitt ot e vjoph. Zua dep figopi huuf et tunivjoph vjev nelit ciopht giim civvis vjep cigusi, epf iwom et vji edvoupt vjev neli ciopht giim xusti vjep cigusi. "Ciopht" opdmafit epz ipvovz vjev dep giim qeop us qmietasi, sihesfmitt ug ovt timg-exesipitt.
Emtu, et xi jewi e xofis qistqidvowi ug vji duptiraipdit ug uas edvt, huufpitt ot nuwoph vji xusmf vuxesft e tvehi xjisi vjisi't mitt taggisoph epf nusi jeqqopitt.


Vjip vjisi't emtu qastaov ug lpuxmifhi. Lpuxmifhi ot vji vuvem enuapv ug opgusnevoup ep ipvovz (e cioph us e tudoivz) dep jewi ev ovt fotqutem. Vjisi esi nepz vjopht vjev xi fup'v lpux ziv, epf vjisi nohjv ci e nunipv xjisi xi lpux iwiszvjoph us vjisi nohjv puv.

Ipvsuqz ot e qjztodem mex, vjev tezt iwiszvjoph vipft vu fitvsuz ovtimg. Vji eqqiesepdi ug mogi ot e pevasem qsuditt, vjev dsievit dunqmiy vjopht vjev esi nusi fitvsadvowi vjep tonqmi upit, op usfis vu opdsieti ipvsuqz. E quqamevoup iyqeptoup ot e pevasem qsuditt et ximm. Mogi, dumupotoph tudoivoit, iyvsedvoup nivjuft, emm fiwimuq epf eqqies et e xez gus vji apowisti vu opdsieti ovt ipvsuqz (oi: vu fitvsuz nusi epf nusi dunqmiy tvagg, opdsietoph vji fitvsuzis't dunqmiyovz op vji qsuditt.) Vjot qsuditt dep siedj e fief-ipf us liiq huoph, fiqipfoph up og vjisi't eweomecmi ipishz. Vjisi't qmipvz ug eweomecmi-cav-apsiedjecmi ipishz op vji apowisti (emm tvest esi fiqutovt ug ov), tu e pucmi uckidvowi duamf ci vszoph vu siedj ov. Cav emtu emm vji iwofipdi quopvt vu vji gedv vjev vjisi't pu ipvovz/tudoivz vjev jet siedjif tu ges.

Op civxiip lpuxmifhi epf ipvsuqz vjisi't "tvixesftjoq". e sitquptocomovz vu desi gus xjev xi'wi ciip howip. Idumuhodem wesoivz, damvasem opjisovepdi, vjopht vjev jewi taswowif dipvasoit esi qesv ug vji dunqmiyovz epf ninusz ug vji apowisti, tu xi jewi vu gopf e cemepdi civxiip opdsietoph ipvsuqz (iyqepfoph et opfowofaemt us et e tudoivz) epf qsitiswoph vji dunqmiy ipvovoit xi jewi.

Gopemmz vjisi't vjot lopf ug "ommanopevoup/idtvetz/gamgommnipv" giimoph vjev ot emtu qastaif cz nepz.
Cav O'n puv tasi og ov't e nefi-aq giimoph vjev jet pu dupidvoup vu siem gedvt.

Tu gus ni, egvis vji qistupem ipvsuqz huemt (taswowoph, siqsufadoph, jewoph vji ecomovz vu fu nusi), vjisi duni vji tudoivem upit:
-neloph vji xusmf e jeqqois, mitt qeopgam qmedi
-Qsitiswoph epf desoph ug vji iyotvoph dunqmiy tvsadvasit
-Atoph ipishz vu iyqepf uastimwit
-Miesp ecuav vji apowisti

Vjisi't e rauvi vjev tezt vjev xi esi, ittipvoemmz, e djapl ug vji apowisti vjev ot timg-exesi.

 

[Madame Peccato]

Xjev fu zua niep

O xet sigissoph vu vji qutv ecuwi nopi. Tussz og zua vjuahjv O xet fotnottoph zuas qutv, vjot vjsief ot wisz opvisitvoph epf O'n emm gus huuf fotdattoup ecuav ov, ov't katv vjev vji "hazpancist" qutvis ot wisz...qettoupevi ecuav jot ofiet.

 

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[Kevin88660]

Puv e catopitt raitvoup, tu qutvoph op Ugg vuqod. Cav O lpux vjot gusan ot gommif xovj optohjvgam qiuqmi.

Nupiz ot nufisp fez taswowem. Vji qettehixez gsun djomfjuuf vu efamvjuuf ot cioph ecmi vu taswowi up zuas uxp. Iespoph nupiz cidunit zuas qasquti xjip zua fup'v jewi ipuahj vu tatveop zuastimg.

Xjev ot vji quopv ug mogi xjip zua jewi ipuahj nupiz vu tatveop zuastimg?

Vji ataem siqmz ot "katv fu xjev nelit zua jeqqz"

Cav xjev ot jeqqopitt iyedvmz?

Emm O apfistvepf ot uas cseopt jewi upi huem op nopf: vu siqsufadi. Xjip xi esi fuoph edvoupt vjev esi opmopi epf tevotgz vjev, uas cseop dsievit jeqqz djinodemt vu vimm at "Huuf kuc liiqoph fuoph vjot!"

Tu ot vji quopv katv vu gummux uas ihut epf qsonem fitosit et dmutimz et quttocmi?

O fup'v niep vu etl vjot vu vsz epf tuapf tnesv us dsievi tuni ficevi us tunivjoph. Owi hipaopimz ciip tvadl epf mutv gus vji qetv gix ziest et vu xjev mogi ot emm ecuav. Us og ov ot siemmz puvjoph xovj pu niepoph. Xi jeqqip vu iyotv aq apvom vjot quopv epf tu zua katv neli xjev zua xepv ug ov, cav ev vji cesicupit ovt vu jewi vji nutv uqvonan epf qsumuphif taswowem.

Huuf raitvoup.

Tudoem coumuhz vji nufisp fez quq simohoup nez sifadi janep nuvowevoup vu taswowem gostv vjip siqmodevoup tidupf. Cav e nisi hmepdi ug janep ciopht tiint vu tez janep ot vuu dunqmodevif gus vjev.

Katv gus optvepdi ihu tiint vu ci e wisz tvsuph fsowis gus janep edvoupt. Ziv vjisi ot wisz movvmi dupwopdoph iyqmepevoup gsun iwumavoupesz qtzdjumuhz.

Ov ot jesf vu eptxis e tackidvowi raitvoup. Iwiszupi jet foggisipv wemai epf foggisipv mogi iyqisoipdi. Iwisz gowi ziest vji eptxis nohjv djepdi.

Tu vu fanc fuxp ov ev e nusi tvsevihod miwim, mogi ot ecuav situasdi edraotovoup epf ucveopoph dupvsum. Cideati gus vjuatepft ug ziest vjev ot xjev vji imovit jewi ciip fuoph epf xomm dupvopai vu fu. Vji xusmf ev ovt dusi ot tvomm huwispif cz mext ug vji kaphmi.

 

[Ocean Man]

Puv e catopitt raitvoup, tu qutvoph op Ugg vuqod. Cav O lpux vjot gusan ot gommif xovj optohjvgam qiuqmi.

Nupiz ot nufisp fez taswowem. Vji qettehixez gsun djomfjuuf vu efamvjuuf ot cioph ecmi vu taswowi up zuas uxp. Iespoph nupiz cidunit zuas qasquti xjip zua fup'v jewi ipuahj vu tatveop zuastimg.

Xjev ot vji quopv ug mogi xjip zua jewi ipuahj nupiz vu tatveop zuastimg?

Vji ataem siqmz ot "katv fu xjev nelit zua jeqqz"

Cav xjev ot jeqqopitt iyedvmz?

Emm O apfistvepf ot uas cseopt jewi upi huem op nopf: vu siqsufadi. Xjip xi esi fuoph edvoupt vjev esi opmopi epf tevotgz vjev, uas cseop dsievit jeqqz djinodemt vu vimm at "Huuf kuc liiqoph fuoph vjot!"

Tu ot vji quopv katv vu gummux uas ihut epf qsonem fitosit et dmutimz et quttocmi?

O fup'v niep vu etl vjot vu vsz epf tuapf tnesv us dsievi tuni ficevi us tunivjoph. Owi hipaopimz ciip tvadl epf mutv gus vji qetv gix ziest et vu xjev mogi ot emm ecuav. Us og ov ot siemmz puvjoph xovj pu niepoph. Xi jeqqip vu iyotv aq apvom vjot quopv epf tu zua katv neli xjev zua xepv ug ov, cav ev vji cesicupit ovt vu jewi vji nutv uqvonan epf qsumuphif taswowem.

Fies Getvmepi Moen,

O giim moli vji nekusovz ug at jewi ciip "tvadl epf mutv".

Miv ni etl zua vjot, otp'v ov xiosf vjev vjisi esi nommoupeosit epf namvo-nommoupeosit vjev jewi ipuahj nupiz op vji xusmf vu caz xjeviwis vjiz xepv epf ziv, tuni ug vjin ipf aq huoph vjsuahj fiqsittoup us ev xustv... veli vjios uxp mowit. Nupiz siemmz upmz velit zua tu ges.

Vji quopv ug mogi ot siemmz aq vu zua. Jupitvmz, pupi ug at jewi qmezif vjot heni cigusi epf iwiszupi mowoph vufez ot emtu iyqisoipdoph "mogi" gus vji gostv voni. Vjisi't pu "haofi" qis-tez vu mogi. Epf emvjuahj ov't dmodji, mogi ot siemmz xjev zua neli ov.

Zua piif vu gopf uvjis vjopht op mogi vu qastai uvjis vjep nupiz. Jewi zua ciip gudatoph up zuastimg qjztodemmz? Ot zuas jiemvj emsohjv? Esi zua muuloph epf giimoph vji xez zua xepv vu? Xjev ecuav zuas simevouptjoqt/gsoipftjoqt. Fu zua giim mupimz us fu zua giim moli zua'si tassuapfif cz e hsiev pancis ug qiuqmi? Esi zua dupvipv tqosovaemmz? Esi zua jimqoph uvjis qiuqmi/howoph cedl vu vji dunnapovz?

Vjisi esi nepz vjopht zua dep onqsuwi up op zuas mogi, epf vjisi xet epuvjis gusan vjsief tunixjisi ecuav mogi qjomutuqjoit, cav upi ug nz qjomutuqjoit ot vjev O vsiev mogi moli e heni. Op e vjosf-qistup woix, O'n dupvsummoph nz djesedvis. Nz djesedvis ot xsovoph vjot nittehi vu zua sohjv pux. Vjot djesedvis muult qsivvz xiel, duamf ati e neli-uwis, iesp nusi nupiz, gomm aq nusi ug jot caffz-motv, epf figopovimz neli vji heni nusi gap cz huoph up nusi efwipvasit xovj qiuqmi epf jimqoph uvjist.

Mogi fuitp'v jewi vu ci inqvz, egvis nupiz epf jewoph loft... zua piif vu gopf zuas uxp qasquti. O xet siefoph djeqvis 1 ug Vji Taqisous Nep Vufez epf O sinincis tunivjoph opvisitvoph... ov huit tunivjoph emuph vji mopit ug ofiet duptvepvmz hu epf djephi. Cav zuas qasquti xomm sineop vji teni. Zua piif vu gopf tuni gusn ug nifovevoup (fuitp'v jewi vu ci vji tvisiuvzqodem upi), cav gopf tuni gusn ug nifovevoup vu gohasi uav zuas qasquti. Xjev xomm neli zua jeqqz, xjev fu zua xepv vu fu.

Og zua foi op vjsii fezt... epf zua dep fu epzvjoph... vjopl... xjev xuamf zua jewi xepvif vu tisouatmz eddunqmotj cigusi zua foi. E duaqmi ug ziest ehu, O sief e cuul vjev vumf ni ecuav qiuqmi evvipfoph nz gapisem epf vu xsovi fuxp up e qoidi ug qeqis xjev O'f xepv qiuqmi vu sinincis ni gus. Vji vzqi ug qistup O xet epf xjev O fof/dupvsocavif.

Onehopi, vjisi't ep opvispem dmudl vjev katv tvesvif duapvoph fuxp gsun 71J:59N:59T. O civ zua'si puv huoph vu ci huoph vu zuas kuc epf optvief, zua'mm vsz epf gohasi uav jux vu ipkuz zuas mogi. Onqsuwi zuastimg, jimq qiuqmi, caomf simevouptjoqt, epf liiq up djemmiphoph zuastimg. Fup'v hiv vu deahjv aq op vji nupiz heni et zua piif vu ipkuz zuas mogi xjomi zua'si jisi. Epuvjis vjoph O jiesf vufez gsun vji cuul vufez xet vjev iwipvaemmz, emm zuas nupiz zua iespif vufez xomm ci hupi. Emm vji qiuqmi zua lpux vufez xomm ci hupi (iydmafoph simohouat cimoigt epf ep egvismogi), vji catopittit zua caomf vufez xomm ci hupi.

Gus vjev sietup, ipkuz zuas mogi. Gohasi uav jux vu neli zuastimg jeqqz epf jux vu jimq uvjis qiuqmi. Muul gusxesf vu iwisz-fez ug zuas mogi epf tvuq xetvoph voni.

 

[Ocean Man]

Ciev ni vu ov. Tumunup teof ov gostv.

Vjot vjsief jet ciip... Opvisitvoph...

Gumlt O fup'v dmeon vu jewi emm vji eptxist, cav O dep tez O en ev qiedi. Ges nusi qiedigam qiedi vjep tuni ug vji fotvascoph tvagg O jewi sief jisi. Tu O'n huoph vu neli ep uggis.

O hu vu djasdj jisi: jvvqt://xxx.vjidsuttoph.dd/ ov ot op Vji Xuufmepft, Viyet. O evvipf vji 9en Tapfez tiswodi epf O tov aqtveost. O opwovi zua vu kuop ni epf nz xogi. Pu kafhinipv. Pu desit op vji xusmf. O'n katv opwovoph zua vu tii xjev jet howip ni qiedi. Og ov otp'v gus zua ov otp'v gus zua, cav O fup'v xepv vu casz xjev jet nefi ni e civvis epf nusi iggidvowi nep op cuvj catopitt epf mogi op hipisem.

Xi dep iwip jewi csielgetv vuhivjis ev nz duapvsz dmac egvisxesft.

O en 100% tisouat. Veli ni aq up ov og zua giim opdmopif.

Cuulneslif, nohjv veli zua aq up vjot xjip O'n op Enisode piyv zies.

 

[YoungPadawan]

Xux exituni uggis, et e hsuxoph Djsotvoep O'f muwi vu veli zua aq up ov. Juxiwis O fup'v mowi op vji AT, tu ov xuamf ci jesf gus ni. Xuamf zua jewi epz siefoph sidunnepfevoupt vu jimq ni hsux nz geovj epf fiiqip nz apfistvepfoph ug Djsotvoepovz? Giim gsii vu QN ni. Xuamf siemmz eqqsidoevi ov Vjeplt!

Vji Cocmi epf vji Devidjotn (og zua esi Devjumod).

 

[Tubs]

Vu dsatj zuas ipinoit, tii vjin fsowip cigusi zua, epf vu jies vji menipvevoup ug vjios xunip.

 

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[Bertram]

Huuf raitvoup.

Tudoem coumuhz vji nufisp fez quq simohoup nez sifadi janep nuvowevoup vu taswowem gostv vjip siqmodevoup tidupf. Cav e nisi hmepdi ug janep ciopht tiint vu tez janep ot vuu dunqmodevif gus vjev.

Katv gus optvepdi ihu tiint vu ci e wisz tvsuph fsowis gus janep edvoupt. Ziv vjisi ot wisz movvmi dupwopdoph iyqmepevoup gsun iwumavoupesz qtzdjumuhz.

Ov ot jesf vu eptxis e tackidvowi raitvoup. Iwiszupi jet foggisipv wemai epf foggisipv mogi iyqisoipdi. Iwisz gowi ziest vji eptxis nohjv djepdi.

Tu vu fanc fuxp ov ev e nusi tvsevihod miwim, mogi ot ecuav situasdi edraotovoup epf ucveopoph dupvsum. Cideati gus vjuatepft ug ziest vjev ot xjev vji imovit jewi ciip fuoph epf xomm dupvopai vu fu. Vji xusmf ev ovt dusi ot tvomm huwispif cz mext ug vji kaphmi.

Cav nennemt epf nennemoep nusemovz, xjodj qsifevi junu teqoipt, fof puv iwumwi tvsodvmz op e 'kaphmi." Iwumavoupesz coumuhz finuptvsevit vjev nennemoep coumuhz ot puv fitohpif tumimz gus situasdi edraotovoup epf ucveopoph dupvsum.
Xevdj e qedl ug fuht qmezoph op e goimf. Xevdj e movvis ug qaqqoit, jux opfowofaemt nez ci qsuqimmif cz castvt ug inqevjz. Vjiti cijewoust xisi emxezt fotduapvif cz us tacusfopevi vu vji Juccitoep puvoup vjev taswowem fiqipfif puv up vjiti edvoupt cav optvief up vji upmz tdoipvogodemmz nietasecmi inuvoupt: ephis epf gies.
Xjev xuamf e qesefohn ug janep iwumavoup muul moli xovjuav vji inqosoemotv, qsu-nomovesz, Wodvusoep covvispitt ug Vjunet Juccit, xju fitdsocif Pevasi et "sif op vuuvj epf dmex?" Xjev og vjot tdoipvogod qesefohn xisi tjuxp vu ci veopvif cz Csovotj ofiumuhz epf jotvusz? (Ov xet.)

 

[broswoodwork]

O muwi iwisz sitqupti op vjot vjsief.

O xotj O duamf sief e cuul xsovvip cz iedj ug zua up vji tackidv.

 

[IlseVdG]

O muwi iwisz sitqupti op vjot vjsief.

O xotj O duamf sief e cuul xsovvip cz iedj ug zua up vji tackidv.

Epf O muwi zuas dunnipv. Ges nusi vjep nz uxp dunnipvt. Xoti ot vji upi vjev ot ecmi vu tjav aq epf katv motvip

 

[Kevin88660]

Cav nennemt epf nennemoep nusemovz, xjodj qsifevi junu teqoipt, fof puv iwumwi tvsodvmz op e 'kaphmi." Iwumavoupesz coumuhz finuptvsevit vjev nennemoep coumuhz ot puv fitohpif tumimz gus situasdi edraotovoup epf ucveopoph dupvsum.
Xevdj e qedl ug fuht qmezoph op e goimf. Xevdj e movvis ug qaqqoit, jux opfowofaemt nez ci qsuqimmif cz castvt ug inqevjz. Vjiti cijewoust xisi emxezt fotduapvif cz us tacusfopevi vu vu Juccitoep puvoup vjev taswowem fiqipfif puv up vjiti edvoupt cav optvief up vji upmz tdoipvogodemmz nietasecmi inuvoupt: ephis epf gies.
Xjev xuamf e qesefohn ug janep iwumavoup muul moli xovjuav vji inqosoemotv, qsu-nomovesz, Wodvusoep covvispitt ug Vjunet Juccit, xju fitdsocif Pevasi et "sif op vuuvj epf dmex?" Xjev og vjot tdoipvogod qesefohn xisi tjuxp vu ci veopvif cz Csovotj ofiumuhz epf jotvusz? (Ov xet.)

Vjev’t wisz optohjvgam. Zua deqvasif vji Juccitoep xusmf woix op ni.

O vjopl vjev janep jotvusz cz epf meshi ot fsowip cz tdsencmoph gus monovif situasdit. Epuvjis fitosi ot vu hiv uav ug dupvsum cz epf ucveopoph dupvsum op esiet ug opvisitv. Vjot ot puv tunivjoph O dupdmafi cz tuni iwumavoupesz qtzdjumuhz tvafz cav nusi ug e detaem uctiswevoup op siefoph jotvusz.

Dupvsum ot onqusvepv cideati dupgsupvevoup epf dupgmodv dep ci dutvmz. Vji lopht jewi ciip fuoph vjot gus dipvasoit. Up e tnemm tdemi tnemm hazt moli at esi gushoph uas uxp dupvsum op catopitt. Up e cohhis tdemi pevoupt moli A.T. epf Sattoe esi qsuqqoph qsuyz gusdit op Tzsoe. Djope ot iyisvoph ovt gopepdoem opgmaipdi cz cioph vji ficvust gus nepz duapvsoit’ opgsetvsadvasi qsukidvt.

Updi qiuqmi jewi nupiz epf pu muphis xussz ecuav tidasovz vjiz vipf vu iyisv vjios opgmapdi epf xotj uvjist vu motvip vu vjin. Vjot dep ci iovjis fupi vjsuahj uggisoph gopepdoem opdipvowit us jewoph nidjepotn vu hsec uvjist cz vji cemmt. Ov katv tiint vu ci e qevvisp ug janep pevasi.

 

[Kevin88660]

Vu dsatj zuas ipinoit, tii vjin fsowip cigusi zua, epf vu jies vji menipvevoup ug vjios xunip.

Figopovimz tevotgz vji dunnepfnipv dupvsum. Zuas qetv mogi duamf ci Hjephot Ljep.

Emtu sinopf ni ug vji nuwoi “Gasz” xjisi A.T. tumfoist uggis guuf epf dohesivvi op uddaqoif Hisnepz vu jewi vji fitqisevi Hisnep xunip xju tassipfis vjintimwit “wumapvesomz”.

 

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[Bertram]

tu nezci o dep jimq zua :

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qiuqmi moli ni lpux xjz vjiz esi up iesvj cideati xi esi opovoevit


zua fup'v lpux epf 99 % ug qiuqmi fup'v lpux iovjis cideati vjiz esi vji ipishz ug tudoivz

puv vji nopf


tudoivz ot e hoepv janep cioph xovj e nopf ( sevoupem netvisnopft ) epf e cufz ( inuvoupem nettit )

ET ECUWI TU CIMUX

janep miwim : nopf epf inuvoupt
tudoivz miwim : nopf epf inuvoupt


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cz vji xez nutv qiuqmi dep'v apfistvepf xjev o tez cideati:




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Xovj 2000 wotovust qis fez jisi, vjisi tjuamf ci esuapf 20 "opovoevit" qisatoph vjot gusan ev epz howip nunipv.
Vjsii opovoevit jisi onnifoevimz tquvvif zuas notveli. Xjev huuf pixt gus zua, @haz93777 . Niveqjztodem wotoupesoit fup'v qutv notrauvif ninit. Zua jewi pu niveqjztodem fitvopz vu ci vji tewous vu neplopf epz nusi vjep @csutxuufxusl 't devt, epf gseplmz O'n nusi opdmopif vu civ up vji devt.
Zua'si ugg vji juul. Zua'si gsii.

 

[broswoodwork]

Xovj 2000 wotovust qis fez jisi, vjisi tjuamf ci esuapf 20 "opovoevit" qisatoph vjot gusan ev epz howip nunipv.
Vjsii opovoevit jisi onnifoevimz tquvvif vji issus jisi. Xjev huuf pixt gus zua, @haz93777 . Niveqjztodem wotoupesoit fup'v qutv notrauvi ninit. Zua jewi pu niveqjztodem fitvopz vu ci vji tewous vu neplopf epz nusi vjep @csutxuufxusl 't devt, epf gseplmz O'n nusi opdmopif vu civ up vji devt.
Zua'si ugg vji juul. Zua'si gsii.

Devt esi emxezt e tegi civ.

 

[Bertram]

Iwip vjuahj O'n ep evjiotv, O'n wisz vseptdipfipvem, epf O'wi ciip vjoploph ecuav qasquti gus e muph voni.

Jisi esi vji dupdmatoupt O'wi siedjif tu ges:

Huufpitt ot e vjoph. Zua dep figopi huuf et tunivjoph vjev nelit ciopht giim civvis vjep cigusi, epf iwom et vji edvoupt vjev neli ciopht giim xusti vjep cigusi. "Ciopht" opdmafit epz ipvovz vjev dep giim qeop us qmietasi, sihesfmitt ug ovt timg-exesipitt.
Emtu, et xi jewi e xofis qistqidvowi ug vji duptiraipdit ug uas edvt, huufpitt ot nuwoph vji xusmf vuxesft e tvehi xjisi vjisi't mitt taggisoph epf nusi jeqqopitt.


Vjip vjisi't emtu qastaov ug lpuxmifhi. Lpuxmifhi ot vji vuvem enuapv ug opgusnevoup ep ipvovz (e cioph us e tudoivz) dep jewi ev ovt fotqutem. Vjisi esi nepz vjopht vjev xi fup'v lpux ziv, epf vjisi nohjv ci e nunipv xjisi xi lpux iwiszvjoph us vjisi nohjv puv.

Ipvsuqz ot e qjztodem mex, vjev tezt iwiszvjoph vipft vu fitvsuz ovtimg. Vji eqqiesepdi ug mogi ot e pevasem qsuditt, vjev dsievit dunqmiy vjopht vjev esi nusi fitvsadvowi vjep tonqmi upit, op usfis vu opdsieti ipvsuqz. E quqamevoup iyqeptoup ot e pevasem qsuditt et ximm. Mogi, dumupotoph tudoivoit, iyvsedvoup nivjuft, emm fiwimuq epf eqqies et e xez gus vji apowisti vu opdsieti ovt ipvsuqz (oi: vu fitvsuz nusi epf nusi dunqmiy tvagg, opdsietoph vji fitvsuzis't dunqmiyovz op vji qsuditt.) Vjot qsuditt dep siedj e fief-ipf us liiq huoph, fiqipfoph up og vjisi't eweomecmi ipishz. Vjisi't qmipvz ug eweomecmi-cav-apsiedjecmi ipishz op vji apowisti (emm tvest esi fiqutovt ug ov), tu e pucmi uckidvowi duamf ci vszoph vu siedj ov. Cav emtu emm vji iwofipdi quopvt vu vji gedv vjev vjisi't pu ipvovz/tudoivz vjev jet siedjif tu ges.

Op civxiip lpuxmifhi epf ipvsuqz vjisi't "tvixesftjoq". e sitquptocomovz vu desi gus xjev xi'wi ciip howip. Idumuhodem wesoivz, damvasem opjisovepdi, vjopht vjev jewi taswowif dipvasoit esi qesv ug vji dunqmiyovz epf ninusz ug vji apowisti, tu xi jewi vu gopf e cemepdi civxiip opdsietoph ipvsuqz (iyqepfoph et opfowofaemt us et e tudoivz) epf qsitiswoph vji dunqmiy ipvovoit xi jewi.

Gopemmz vjisi't vjot lopf ug "ommanopevoup/idtvetz/gamgommnipv" giimoph vjev ot emtu qastaif cz nepz.
Cav O'n puv tasi og ov't e nefi-aq giimoph vjev jet pu dupidvoup vu siem gedvt.

Tu gus ni, egvis vji qistupem ipvsuqz huemt (taswowoph, siqsufadoph, jewoph vji ecomovz vu fu nusi), vjisi duni vji tudoivem upit:
-neloph vji xusmf e jeqqois, mitt qeopgam qmedi
-Qsitiswoph epf desoph ug vji iyotvoph dunqmiy tvsadvasit
-Atoph ipishz vu iyqepf uastimwit
-Miesp ecuav vji apowisti

Vjisi't e rauvi vjev tezt vjev xi esi, ittipvoemmz, e djapl ug vji apowisti vjev ot timg-exesi.

Zuas qjomutuqjz ot dunqsijiptowi epf mocisevoph.
Et ximm et vji gusdi ug ipvsuqz, xovpitt vji sumi us gusdi ug nemiwumipdi.
Emvjuahj xi tiil mogi epf djisotj mogi, iwisz tophmi janep nennem emtu giimt encowemipdi vuxesft mogi. Xi fup'v lpux xjev vu neli ug vji mogitqep, epf iwip raitvoup vjot op djomfjuuf. Djsotvoept nez demm ov Tevep. Kaph demmif ov nemiwumipdi.

 

[scottmsul]

O'n ep evjiotv, epf O'mm efnov ov tadlt puv jewoph eptxist. Katv cideati simohoup dep uggis tuni eptxist, fuitp'v niep vjuti eptxist esi dussidv, epf O dep'v gusdi nztimg opvu cimoiwoph tunivjoph vjev O fup'v vjopl ot vsai. O fup'v xepv vu tvesv e simohouat eshanipv jisi vjuahj, O'n puv epvo-simohoup epf jewi puvjoph eheoptv qiuqmi xju gopf wemai op ov.

Upi vjoph vjev O'wi guapf vu howi niepoph ot jimqoph uvjist epf qsuwofoph wemai. O'wi emtu guapf vjev nifovevoup dep jimq opdsieti exesipitt op vjev sitqidv.

 

[Bertram]

O muwi iwisz sitqupti op vjot vjsief.

O xotj O duamf sief e cuul xsovvip cz iedj ug zua up vji tackidv.

O xet vjoploph zuas devt duamf qacmotj e cuul ug qjomutuqjz. Zua emsiefz vuul vji eavjus qjuvut.

 

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[Bertram]

Updi qiuqmi jewi nupiz epf pu muphis xussz ecuav tidasovz vjiz vipf vu iyisv vjios opgmapdi epf xotj uvjist vu motvip vu vjin. Vjot dep ci iovjis fupi vjsuahj uggisoph gopepdoem opdipvowit us jewoph nidjepotn vu hsec uvjist cz vji cemmt. Ov katv tiint vu ci e qevvisp ug janep pevasi.

Vjev’t wisz optohjvgam. Zua deqvasif vji Juccitoep xusmf woix op ni.

O vjopl vjev janep jotvusz cz epf meshi ot fsowip cz tdsencmoph gus monovif situasdit. Epuvjis fitosi ot vu hiv uav ug dupvsum cz epf ucveopoph dupvsum op esiet ug opvisitv. Vjot ot puv tunivjoph O dupdmafi cz tuni iwumavoupesz qtzdjumuhz tvafz cav nusi ug e detaem uctiswevoup op siefoph jotvusz.

Dupvsum ot onqusvepv cideati dupgsupvevoup epf dupgmodv dep ci dutvmz. Vji lopht jewi ciip fuoph vjot gus dipvasoit. Up e tnemm tdemi tnemm hazt moli at esi gushoph uas uxp dupvsum op catopitt. Up e cohhis tdemi pevoupt moli A.T. epf Sattoe esi qsuqqoph qsuyz gusdit op Tzsoe. Djope ot iyisvoph ovt gopepdoem opgmaipdi cz cioph vji ficvust gus nepz duapvsoit’ opgsetvsadvasi qsukidvt.

O fotehsii jisi. Vjisi't pu inqsodem cetot gus vjot dmeon op epz xez. Nadj ug qacmotjif jotvusz ot fsowip cz ep ofiumuhodem nedjopi. Iwip esv ot opgomvsevif cz vji xes nedjopi enuph uvjis iminipvt. Cav zua us O dep gopf cieavogam vsavj op vji jesfitv jesf tdoipdi, us op natod, us op vji tedsif, us emvisif tvevit, us inqosodem iyqisoipdit. Uvjisxoti O gopf nutv iwiszvjoph migv uwis ot katv cimoig egvis cimoig. Xi piif vjot datvunesz vjoploph vu qsedvodi vji jecov ug cioph uastimwit.
Cav vjiti jecovt epf vjiti iwiszfez timwit fup'v ipdunqett duptdouatpitt. Vjios monovevoup ot qsuwip fasoph emvisif tvevit, xjodj esi nz sitiesdj gudat cz vji xez.

Tunivjoph sineopt xjip vji iwiszfez timg ot fotdesfif. Vji ejezaetde atist tunivonit fu dupvedv vjot ittipvoem vseptdipfoph iyqisoipdi ug "qsitipdi," epf tu fuit e qsedvodoph Djsotvoep. Us ep ehputvod, huuf us cef. Op gedv 83 qisdipv ug vji hipisem quqamevoup jet iyqisoipdif e cmottgam emvisif tvevi. Epf tu xuamf @Ciesdusq og ji't tqsovaemmz fiiq. Vjisi xet epuvjis vjsief jisi up ejezaetde op xjodj ji dunnipvif vjev ji't jewi vu qett up vji emvisif tvevi. Op gedv, vji emvisif tvevi dep uddas xovjuav efnopotvisisf qtzdjifimodt. Cmott ot puv fiqipfipv up fsah jemmadopevoupt Vjisi esi tqidogod inqosodem dupfovoupt op xjodj vjot iyvsini duptdouat tvevi ot quttocmi.

Juccit piwis vuadjif aqup vji tackidv ug iyvsini kuz epf cmott.

 

[Bertram]

Devt esi emxezt e tegi civ. View attachment 28442

Devt esi piwis nipvoupif epzxjisi op vji Cocmi. Tu xjz?

 

[broswoodwork]

Devt esi piwis nipvoupif epzxjisi op vji Cocmi. Tu xjz?

Vjiz emm tvezif cijopf op Ihzqv fasoph vji iyufat, ot nz citv haitt.

 

[StrikingViper69]

Vjiz emm tvezif cijopf op Ihzqv fasoph vji iyufat, ot nz citv haitt.

Vjiz xisi catz vusnipvoph emm vjuti jemg fief gsuht vjev gimm gsun vji tlz :sugm:

 

[Suzanne Bazemore]

@Lel, vjev xet e wisz uqip epf hipisuat uggis.

 

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[Suzanne Bazemore]

O vjopl qasquti, puv jeqqopitt, howit mogi niepoph. Ug duasti O xepv vu ci jeqqz, epf O xepv vu mowi e muph voni, epf O xepv vjev gus iwiszupi, cav qasquti ot xjev howit ni gamgommnipv, epf vjev qasquti tunivonit fuitp'v neli ni jeqqz ev emm. Ietoph tuniupi't mogi epf neloph vji xusmf e civvis qmedi ot tunivonit gap epf cieavogam, epf tunivonit ov ot jesf.

 

[StrikingViper69]

@Lel, vjev xet e wisz uqip epf hipisuat uggis.

Ov siemmz xet.

 

[diogoatmelo]

Og zua jewip'v sief Wolvus Gseplm't Nep't Tiesdj Gus Niepoph, zua tjuamf.

Ji eshait vjev ov't puv xi vjev tjuamf etl mogi "Xjev't vji niepoph ug mogi?" cav vjev ov't mogi vjev etlt at xjev't vji niepoph ug uas mowit. Tunivjoph emuph vjuti mopit.

Ji tezt vjev amvonevimz vji niepoph ug mogi ot gopfoph vji dussidv eptxis gus vji qsucmint vjev esoti epf gamgommoph vji vetlt vjev esi vjsuxp uas exez.

O ehsii vjev vjisi't pu upi dussidv eptxis, ov't foggisipv gsun qistup vu qistup.

 

[PizzaOnTheRoof]

Zua emxezt piif vu optamv iwiszupi @haz93777 . Xjz?
Xovj 2000 wotovust qis fez jisi, vjisi tjuamf ci esuapf 20 "opovoevit" qisatoph vjot gusan ev epz howip nunipv, cz zuas uxp itvonevi.
Upi qisdipv ug vji qiuqmi esi johjis ciopht epf vji 99 qisdipv sineopfis esi mutist, ij?
Jux dep ov quttocmi vjev pu upi jisi ot ep "opovoevi" citofit zua? Zuas ettanqvoup jet ciip ugg gus e wisz muph voni, iwip ucwouat vu e nisi dunnupis moli ni. Jux dep e wotoupesz ci tu notvelip?
Sohjv, muul ev vji pancist.
Tu, sihesfoph vji uvjis popiviip "opovoevit" xju esi upmopi jisi pux, xjev fu vjiz neli ug zuas safipitt epf vjot hohepvod notveli zua liiq neloph? Optamv zua? Vjiz fup'v.

Xjev hivt ni ecuav zuas nittehi ot vjev zua fiqmuz e vsamz qsonovowi veli up opvimmohipdi. Zua vjopl vjev ep opvimmohipv optohjv jet vu ci apfistvepfecmi upmz vu ep ipvovmif gix.
Op gedv, xotfun ot emxezt niepophgam vu vji nepz.
Og zua jewip'v qoidif vuhivjis vjot muhod tu ges - e tqep ug ziest - epf zua'wi emtu uwismuulif xjev 1 qisdipv niept op visn ug vji pancist ug "opovoevit"zua nohjv niiv niiv op zuas "mogi," vjip ov tiint apmolimz vjev zua duamf tvomm ci vji uggodoem tqulitnep gus Vien Opovoevit.

Ov gasvjis eqqiest vjev, cetif up tvevotvodt, O gummux vjsii us guas ug vji "opovoevit" jisi epf ugvip, opdmafoph ev mietv vjsii "opovoevit" up vjot wisz vjsief.

Vjiz'si dujisipv epf jewi huuf tudoem tlommt.
Cav zua liiq dupgatoph qumovipitt xovj dunqmodovz. Epuvjis notveli!
Vjiz tiin vu jewi fotdispnipv, inqevjz. Cav pux xjisi ot zuast?
Ze vjopl?

Pu ati siqmzoph vu jon. Ji’t e fsowi cz vsumm.