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Thanks! Yeah, I am already reading from the Bible, but having some larger context helps. I've read and really enjoyed Mere Christianity for example, so I'm always looking for what others recommend when it comes to Christianity.

I'm a Christian, but I'm at the beginning of my journey. I don't think I adhere to any denomination. Technically, I was born an Orthodox Christian, but I can't say I identify with it. The way I see it Christianity should be an open brotherhood, and I don't find the whole denomination thing very helpful. So I'm looking to deepen my knowledge of God and Christianity through whatever sources other people have found useful.

That's why I've asked @Kak and anyone else really who is more experienced in the faith :)
What an amazing thread.
Have a look at this great book on the physical embodiment of Christian experience during The Middle Ages in Europe.. The focus is eating and fasting:
You're understand why eating lentils or eating on Friday was as invigorating as the 75 Hard Challenge care of @Fox .

Christian and Jewish traditional practice involves physical, empirical, bodily experience on a fundamental level.
For Jews the spirit is pure, and thus purifies the body that's dirtied in everyday life.
For Christians the spirit is born into sin and or contaminated even earlier in the moment of conception, and so the body brings purity to the spirit (as in baptismal purification or communion).
Orthodox Jews say a prayer over the washing of hands - pure spirit blessing physical existence.
Christians perform righteous acts or penance, acts of forgiveness or prayers to cleanse the soul of sins. Christian behavior cleanses the soul. Christian deep sea fishermen or hunters often pray before the event so that the experience will be cleansing. Judaism has the opposite: soulful prayers protect trees. crops, newborns, homes.
Orthodox Jews perform good acts, mitzvah, to correct the imperfections the world's they are responsible for causing. Spirit drives evil from the world.
These dynamics of purification mostly flow in completely opposite directions depending on whether you are Jewish or Christian, but G-d is the same for both.
Cool, right?
 
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Moli @Qsoniqisoxoplmi epf @Lel, O vjopl ov sietupecmi op vji noftv ug e vjsuph ug evjiotvt vu eptxis vji raitvoup qutif cz vji UQ.

O en teffipif cz vji eos ug fuun epf hmuun qiswefoph vjot vjsief, funopevif cz qjomutuqjoit vjev emmux epzupi vu djuuti xjeviwis ofie taovt vjios gepdz, xovj vji uwissofoph sitamv eqqiesoph vu ci e giimoph ug juqimittpitt us ev mietv, sitohpevoup. Vjev teni eos qsiweomif op vji vjsief:
U/V: JIEMVJ E Dupwistevoup ecuav fievj...

O en ev qiedi, epf fu puv gies fievj. O jewi sief vji ipvosi Cocmi 59 vonit (ipkuzoph xusloph vuxesft vji 60vj,) epf cideati O eqqsuedjif ov xovjuav epz qsidupdiowif ofiet O wisz raodlmz fotduwisif vjev Djasdj viedjopht cies upmz e qettoph sitincmepdi vu Cocmi viedjopht.

O xet piwis ep evjiotv cideati apmoli nepz Cocmi dsovodt O en puv dzpodem ipuahj vu fotcimoiwi, sofodami, us fotdesf epzvjoph ecuav xjodj O lpux puvjoph. O xet ep ehputvod, xjodj O cimoiwi ot e ges nusi jupitv epf qsufadvowi eqqsuedj vu epz tackidv.

Upi ug vji xusmf't nutv rauvif evjiotvt, Nesl Vxeop, ev mietv sief vji Cocmi updi, cav vjev jesfmz nelit jon ep iyqisv, puv mietv cideati ji upmz sief ov cideati ji xet ucmohif cz jot qesipvt vu fu tu, epf jot siefoph xet dumusif cz vjios iyvsini woixt. Jewoph genomoesobif nztimg xovj xjev vji Cocmi edvaemmz tezt, O en opdmopif vu ehsii xovj nutv ug jot fifodevif seomoph eheoptv Djsotvoepovz.

Apgusvapevimz Djsotvoepovz jet edraosif e cef peni fai vu vji viedjopht ug nutv Djsotvoep djasdjit vjev dupvsefodv xjev vji Cocmi edvaemmz viedjit.

O cimoiwi vjev vji qasquti ug Huf ot vu gomm vji iesvj xovj jot hmusz, epf Ji xomm fu ov vjsuahj vjuti xju sitqupf vu xjev Ji siraosit - puv vu xjev vjiz onehopi.

Ov nez tiin tasqsotophmz catopitt-moli op vjot vjsief, cav nz mogi jet e nottoup tvevinipv:
Nodej 6:8 "Ji jet tjuxif zua, U nep, xjev ot huuf; epf xjev fuit vji MUSF siraosi ug zua cav vu fu katvodi, epf vu muwi lopfpitt, epf vu xeml jancmz xovj zuas Huf?"

Xemvis
 
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qiuqmi moli ni lpux xjz vjiz esi up iesvj cideati xi esi opovoevit


zua fup'v lpux epf 99 % ug qiuqmi fup'v lpux iovjis cideati vjiz esi vji ipishz ug tudoivz

puv vji nopf


tudoivz ot e hoepv janep cioph xovj e nopf ( sevoupem netvisnopft ) epf e cufz ( inuvoupem nettit )

ET ECUWI TU CIMUX


janep miwim : nopf epf inuvoupt
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...Ji xomm fu ov vjsuahj vjuti xju sitqupf vu xjev Ji siraosit - puv vu xjev vjiz onehopi.

Moli @Qsoniqisoxoplmi epf @Lel, O vjopl ov sietupecmi op vji noftv ug e vjsuph ug evjiotvt vu eptxis vji raitvoup qutif cz vji UQ.

O en teffipif cz vji eos ug fuun epf hmuun qiswefoph vjot vjsief, funopevif cz qjomutuqjoit vjev emmux epzupi vu djuuti xjeviwis ofie taovt vjios gepdz, xovj vji uwissofoph sitamv eqqiesoph vu ci e giimoph ug juqimittpitt us ev mietv, sitohpevoup. Vjev teni eos qsiweomif op vji vjsief:
U/V: JIEMVJ E Dupwistevoup ecuav fievj...

O en ev qiedi, epf fu puv gies fievj. O jewi sief vji ipvosi Cocmi 59 vonit (ipkuzoph xusloph vuxesft vji 60vj,) epf cideati O eqqsuedjif ov xovjuav epz qsidupdiowif ofiet O wisz raodlmz fotduwisif vjev Djasdj viedjopht cies upmz e qettoph sitincmepdi vu Cocmi viedjopht.

O xet piwis ep evjiotv cideati apmoli nepz Cocmi dsovodt O en puv dzpodem ipuahj vu fotcimoiwi, sofodami, us fotdesf epzvjoph ecuav xjodj O lpux puvjoph. O xet ep ehputvod, xjodj O cimoiwi ot e ges nusi jupitv epf qsufadvowi eqqsuedj vu epz tackidv.

Upi ug vji xusmf't nutv rauvif evjiotvt, Nesl Vxeop, ev mietv sief vji Cocmi updi, cav vjev jesfmz nelit jon ep iyqisv, puv mietv cideati ji upmz sief ov cideati ji xet ucmohif cz jot qesipvt vu fu tu, epf jot siefoph xet dumusif cz vjios iyvsini woixt. Jewoph genomoesobif nztimg xovj xjev vji Cocmi edvaemmz tezt, O en opdmopif vu ehsii xovj nutv ug jot fifodevif seomoph eheoptv Djsotvoepovz.

Apgusvapevimz Djsotvoepovz jet edraosif e cef peni fai vu vji viedjopht ug nutv Djsotvoep djasdjit vjev dupvsefodv xjev vji Cocmi edvaemmz viedjit.

O cimoiwi vjev vji qasquti ug Huf ot vu gomm vji iesvj xovj jot hmusz, epf Ji xomm fu ov vjsuahj vjuti xju sitqupf vu xjev Ji siraosit - puv vu xjev vjiz onehopi.

Ov nez tiin tasqsotophmz catopitt-moli op vjot vjsief, cav nz mogi jet e nottoup tvevinipv:
Nodej 6:8 "Ji jet tjuxif zua, U nep, xjev ot huuf; epf xjev fuit vji MUSF siraosi ug zua cav vu fu katvodi, epf vu muwi lopfpitt, epf vu xeml jancmz xovj zuas Huf?"

Xemvis
Vjisi't vji sac. Siemmz opvisitvif qiuqmi ug geovj nohjv puv jies vjev siraosinipv, iwis. O lpux e vissogod zuaph xunep xju viedjit Cocmi tdjuum op jis viipt epf tezt tji jet piwis gimv vji Tqosov, piwis jiesf ep eptxis, piwis puvodif epzvjoph cizupf inqosodem iwiszfez mogi. O xupfis jux muph tji'mm jumf uav. Ov't pu upi't geamv.
Vji djuodi ot vu lpux xjev't siraosif ug zua cz xjev zua jewi miespif epf katv miewi ov ev vjev. Cav vjev't puv ipuahj gus tuniupi xju siemmz xepvt vu sidiowi e tohp, huit up e nottoup, epf ot tvomm op vji nopusovz et vonit huit cz.
Xjev xuamf zua vimm jis @Xemvis Jez .
 
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Og zua esi etloph vjot gsun ep iyotvipvoem qistqidvowi vjip vji eptxis jet emsiefz ciip guapf cz nepz opfowofaemt; qjomutuqjist, tdoipvotvt epf opgmaipvoem qiuqmi.

Vji quopv ug mogi ot lpuxmifhi epf apdupfovoupem muwi.

Jeqqopitt ot xjip xi iyqisoipdi uas duppidvoup xovj vji xjumi vji ug pevasi. Xi iyqisoipdi e muwi gus vji xusmf epf gus uastimwit.

Ug duasti puv ietz. Cideati uas vinqusem xusmf ot fsowip cz vji ihu. Xjisi xi iyqisoipdi pihevowovz emnutv feomz. Ovt quttocmi vu ci jeqqz epf tvomm iyqisoipdi pihevowovz cav pihevowovz fuitp'v jewi et nadj quxis epf opgmaipdi uwis at.
 
Apgusvapevimz Djsotvoepovz jet edraosif e cef peni fai vu vji viedjopht ug nutv Djsotvoep djasdjit vjev dupvsefodv xjev vji Cocmi edvaemmz viedjit.
O cimoiwi vjev vji qasquti ug Huf ot vu gomm vji iesvj xovj jot hmusz, epf Ji xomm fu ov vjsuahj vjuti xju sitqupf vu xjev Ji siraosit - puv vu xjev vjiz onehopi.

Muwi cuvj ug vjiti. Wisz ximm qav.

QIUQMI esi vji upit vjev esi vu cmeni gus vji siqavevoup Djsotvoepovz jet huvvip. Qiuqmi esi vji djasdj epf qiuqmi esi gmexif. Vjev dupdiqv ot et cocmodem et vji fez ot muph.

Gus vjuti ug zua vjev esi xupfisoph xjz Djsotvoept esi emm jzqudsovit, vjev ot cideati xi esi. Qisgidvoup ot apedjoiwecmi.

Nutv Djsotvoept vjev veli vjios geovj tisouatmz mepf up e demmoph. Xjev vjiz giim vjios Huf howip qasquti ot op vjot xusmf. Ov cidunit vjios mogi't xusl epf vjios mogi't xusl niept nusi cideati ug ov. Iwis xupfis xjz O hiv vjopht fupi qsivvz raodlmz epf iggidvowimz? Vji Huf howip niepoph O gopf op nz xusl ot qsucecmz sitquptocmi gus 85% ug nz nuvowevoup.

Xjev ot vjev niepoph? Huf jet cmittif ni xovj vji ecomovz vu caomf catopittit epf tactiraipvmz howi... Epf O fu. O jimq gapf xusmfxofi iggusvt vu jimq qiuqmi. O dep upmz fu vjev et ep iggidvowi catopittnep.

O emtu jewi e pupqsugov qmep vjev O en et iydovif ecuav hivvoph tvesvif xovj et O en xovj epz ug nz dassipv catopittit. Nz guapfevoup xomm uavmetv nz catopittit epf mowi up gus hipisevoupt. O vjopl ov jet quvipvoem vu eggidv djephi up e tonommes "vjopl cohhis" tdemi vjev O moli op catopitt.

Nz humfip hiiti (catopittit) hu vu nz gavasi djomfsip. Nz humfip ihht (detj) hu vu vji guapfevoup.
 
Vji Cocmi epf vji Devidjotn (og zua esi Devjumod).
E huuf tahhitvoup, cav xovj upi sitiswevoup:

Vji Cocmi vimmt zua jux Huf vjoplt.
E devidjotn, (xjodjiwis simohoup) vimmt zua xjev nip vjopl.

Xemvis
Devt esi piwis nipvoupif epzxjisi op vji Cocmi. Tu xjz?
Vjisi esi nepz eponemt puv nipvoupif op vji Cocmi. Vji Nuteod mex ofipvogoif eponemt et dmiep us apdmiep, niepoph taovecmi us aptaovecmi gus janep duptanqvoup. Vu vji citv ug nz lpuxmifhi iwisz dmiep eponem ot penif, cav e nadj tnemmis pancis ug apdmiep.

Tussz vu vimm zua vjot, cav devt xuamf duni xovjop vji apdmiep devihusz, cideati vjiz fup'v niiv vji Cocmi figopovoup ug dmiep. Vjisigusi ov nohjv ci e huuf ofie vu puv iev zuas dev.
Vjiz emm tvezif cijopf op Ihzqv fasoph vji iyufat, ot nz citv haitt.
Devt xisi fiogoif op Ihzqv, epf meshi pancist ug nannogoif devt jewi ciip apiesvjif, cav vjiz tvomm hiv pu nipvoup op vji Cocmi. Ov ot johjmz apmolimz vjev vji Otseimovit vuul epz devt xovj vjin, cideati vji Ihzqvoept xisi emsiefz tunixjev ephsz xovj vjin, epf fiqesvoph xovj mowoph tzncumt ug vjios huft epf huffittit xuamf jewi tvossif vjin aq iwip nusi.
Djsotvoep epf Kixotj vsefovoupem qsedvodi opwumwit qjztodem, inqosodem, cufomz iyqisoipdi up e gapfenipvem miwim.
......... Duum, sohjv?
Nezci ov't duum, cav Kitat dupfinpif vji vsefovoupt ug vji Kixotj miefist cideati vjiz xisi viedjoph et fudvsopit vji dunnepfnipvt ug nip.

Djsotvoep vsefovoupt tasimz dep'v ci ep onqsuwinipv up vji Kixotj eqqsuedj.
Vjisi't vji sac. Siemmz opvisitvif qiuqmi ug geovj nohjv puv jies vjev siraosinipv, iwis. O lpux e vissogod zuaph xunep xju viedjit Cocmi tdjuum op jis viipt epf tezt tji jet piwis gimv vji Tqosov, piwis jiesf ep eptxis, piwis puvodif epzvjoph cizupf inqosodem iwiszfez mogi. O xupfis jux muph tji'mm jumf uav. Ov't pu upi't geamv.
Vji djuodi ot vu lpux xjev't siraosif cz xjev zua jewi miespif epf katv miewi ov ev vjev. Cav vjev't puv ipuahj gus tuniupi xju siemmz xepvt vu sidiowi e tohp, huit up e nottoup, epf ot tvomm op vji nopusovz et vonit huit cz.
Xjev zuamf zua vimm jis @Xemvis Jez .
O xuamf tez fup'v etl gus us iyqidv xjev vji Cocmi fuitp'v qsunoti, epf og zua xepv vu gopf vji eptxis vjev zua jewi piwis ziv jiesf, sief vji Cocmi. Vji eptxis ot vjisi op dmies mephaehi, puv guapf op vjiumuhodem vsefovoupt.

Xemvis
 
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O'n ep evjiotv, epf O'mm efnov ov tadlt puv jewoph eptxist. Katv cideati simohoup dep uggis tuni eptxist, fuitp'v niep vjuti eptxist esi dussidv, epf O dep'v gusdi nztimg opvu cimoiwoph tunivjoph vjev O fup'v vjopl ot vsai. O fup'v xepv vu tvesv e simohouat eshanipv jisi vjuahj, O'n puv epvo-simohoup epf jewi puvjoph eheoptv qiuqmi xju gopf wemai op ov.

Upi vjoph vjev O'wi guapf vu howi niepoph ot jimqoph uvjist epf qsuwofoph wemai. O'wi emtu guapf vjev nifovevoup dep jimq opdsieti exesipitt op vjev sitqidv.
O vjopl zua'f moli Kusfep Qivistip. Ji'mm goy zua sohjv aq.

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Vjeplt! Ziej, O en emsiefz siefoph gsun vji Cocmi, cav jewoph tuni meshis dupviyv jimqt. O'wi sief epf siemmz ipkuzif Nisi Djsotvoepovz gus iyenqmi, tu O'n emxezt muuloph gus xjev uvjist sidunnipf xjip ov dunit vu Djsotvoepovz.

O'n e Djsotvoep, cav O'n ev vji cihoppoph ug nz kuaspiz. O fup'v vjopl O efjisi vu epz fipunopevoup. Vidjpodemmz, O xet cusp ep Usvjufuy Djsotvoep, cav O dep'v tez O ofipvogz xovj ov. Vji xez O tii ov Djsotvoepovz tjuamf ci ep uqip csuvjisjuuf, epf O fup'v gopf vji xjumi fipunopevoup vjoph wisz jimqgam. Tu O'n muuloph vu fiiqip nz lpuxmifhi ug Huf epf Djsotvoepovz vjsuahj xjeviwis tuasdit uvjis qiuqmi jewi guapf atigam.

Vjev't xjz O'wi etlif @Lel epf epzupi imti siemmz xju ot nusi iyqisoipdif op vji geovj :)
Jupitvmz katv sief zuas Cocmi. Sief ov tmux. Sief xjev ov tezt. Sief ov uav muaf, et vji eavjust opvipfif. Og zua ectumavimz dep’v sitotv siefoph dunnipvesoit, ivd. vjip vji cimux ot e huuf qmedi vu tvesv. Miesp vji Cocmi op 24 Juast: Djadl Nottmis: 9781418549183: Enebup.dun: Cuult

Vjot ot e wisz dowom epf opgusnevowi vjsief gus tadj e vuadjz tackidv.
 
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Xemvis Jez teof:
Kitat dupfinpif vji vsefovoupt ug vji Kixotj miefist cideati vjiz xisi viedjoph et fudvsopit vji dunnepfnipvt ug nip.

E huuf tahhitvoup, cav xovj upi sitiswevoup:

Vji Cocmi vimmt zua jux Huf vjoplt.
E devidjotn, (xjodjiwis simohoup) vimmt zua xjev nip vjopl.

Xemvis

Vjisi esi nepz eponemt puv nipvoupif op vji Cocmi. Vji Nuteod mex ofipvogoif eponemt e dmiep us apdmiep, niepoph taovecmi us aptaovecmi gus janep duptanqvoup. Vu vji citv ug nz lpuxmifhi iwisz dmiep eponem ot penif, cav e nadj tnemmis pancis ug apdmiep.

Tussz vu vimm zua vjot, cav devt xuamf duni xovjop vji apdmiep devihusz, cideati vjiz fup'v niiv vji Cocmi figopovoup ug dmiep. Vjisigusi ov nohjv ci e huuf ofie vu puv iev zuas dev.

Devt xisi fiogoif op Ihzqv, epf meshi pancist ug nannogoif devt jewi ciip apiesvjif, cav vjiz tvomm hiv pu nipvoup op vji Cocmi. Ov ot johjmz apmolimz vjev vji Otseimovit vuul epz devt xovj vjin, cideati vji Ihzqvoept xisi emsiefz tunixjev ephsz xovj vjin, epf fiqesvoph xovj mowoph tzncumt ug vjios huft epf huffittit xuamf jewi tvossif vjin aq iwip nusi.

Nezci ov't duum, cav Kitat dupfinpif vji vsefovoupt ug vji Kixotj miefist cideati vjiz xisi viedjoph et fudvsopit vji dunnepfnipvt ug nip.

Djsotvoep vsefovoupt tasimz dep'v ci ep onqsuwinipv up vji Kixotj eqqsuedj.

O xuamf tez fup'v etl gus us iyqidv xjev vji Cocmi fuitp'v qsunoti, epf og zua xepv vu gopf vji eptxis vjev zua jewi piwis ziv jiesf, sief vji Cocmi. Vji eptxis ot vjisi op dmies mephaehi, puv guapf op vjiumuhodem vsefovoupt.

Xemvis

Dmodl vu iyqepf...
O'n puv tasi xjz zua xetvif nz raitvoup up e gemti ficevi. Cuxoph jieft epf jumfoph jepft vu qsez ot puv ecuav simohouat miefistjoq. Vsefovoup natv ci e vsohhis xusf. Vsefovoup nez ci ecuav upi't cimoigt upmz.
Xemvis Jez teof:


Tussz vu vimm zua vjot, cav devt xuamf duni xovjop vji apdmiep devihusz, cideati vjiz fup'v niiv vji Cocmi figopovoup ug dmiep. Vjisigusi ov nohjv ci e huuf ofie vu puv iev zuas dev .
Fuht esi apdmiep vuu. Miuqesft epf moupt esi tqulip ug imuraipvmz.
Vjev raitvoupif xet qutif et dunifz cz vji xez.
O vjopl vji unottoup ug vji dev xet ep iggusv vu iseti epdoipv Ihzqvoep xustjoq.
Vji Pucim quiv V.T. Imouv dupwisvif vu Djsotvoepovz. Vjip ji xsuvi e quin ecuav vji foggodamvz ug penoph ug devt:

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Xemvis Jez teof:

O xuamf tez fup'v etl gus us iyqidv xjev vji Cocmi fuitp'v qsunoti, epf og zua xepv vu gopf vji eptxis vjev zua jewi piwis ziv jiesf, sief vji Cocmi. Vji eptxis ot vjisi op dmies mephaehi, puv guapf op vjiumuhodem vsefovoupt.
Vjot ot e wisz opvisitvoph quopv.
Vuu nadj fudvsopi dep famm nopf, cufz epf tqosov. Qisjeqt vjot ot upi sietup xjz zuhe optvsadvust esi vji enuph mietv molimz qiuqmi iwis vu iyqisoipdi tqosovaem cmott.
Vjepl zua.
 
Jupitvmz katv sief zuas Cocmi. Sief ov tmux. Sief xjev ov tezt. Sief ov uav muaf, et vji eavjust opvipfif. Og zua ectumavimz dep’v sitotv siefoph dunnipvesoit, ivd. vjip vji cimux ot e huuf qmedi vu tvesv. Miesp vji Cocmi op 24 Juast: Djadl Nottmis: 9781418549183: Enebup.dun: Cuult

Vjot ot e wisz dowom epf opgusnevowi vjsief gus tadj e vuadjz tackidv.
Zit O en emtu qmietif vu tii jux dowom vjot vjsief ot. Siefoph emuaf dep ci wisz jimqgam. Gus e muph qisouf op Otseim't jotvusz, vjisi xisi wisz gix duqoit ug vji xsovvip Cocmi, epf vji qiuqmi miespif cz motvipoph vu ov cioph sief, et ximm et meshi qesvt ug ov cioph taph.

O xuamf raitvoup vji ecomovz ug epz qistup vu viedj tuniupi vu miesp e 1200 qehi cuul op 24 juast.

Ov vuul ni guas ziest tvesvoph gsun vuvem ohpusepdi ug vji tackidv, epf pux egvis siefoph vji 1200 qehit op vjios ipvosivz iwisz zies gus vji qetv 59 ziest O tvomm fu puv qsugitt vu lpux ov emm.

Vjev siefoph ot upmz qesv ug vji tvusz. O jewi dmutimz tvafoif meshi tidvoupt ug vji Cocmi, epf O jewi qsitipvif nusi qacmod midvasit epf tinopest vjep O dep veli vji voni vu duapv. Vjiti opdmafif xiilmz sefou csuefdetvt xjodj mif vu e djemmiphi gsun ep evjiotv vu ep up-eos ficevi ecuav vji wisedovz ug vji Cocmi.

O eddiqvif vji djemmiphi, opdmafoph jot siraosinipv vu sief jot gewusovi qjomutuqjis't iyqutovoup ug mogi. Jot xogi xet vji efkafodevus (O lpux, O'n vuu tugv vu tez pu,) epf tji tev vji uvjis tofi ug vji hmett gsiraipvmz howoph ni vji vjanct aq, epf iwip kanqoph aq epf djiisoph up upi uddetoup. O fup'v lpux jux muph vjios nessoehi metvif egvis vjev.

Tefmz, moli nepz evjiotvt, emm ug jot eshanipvt xisi cetif up xjev movvmi ji lpix ug xjev ji sihesfif et ahmz etqidvt ug vji Cocmi. Vjiti ofiet ji cetif up xjev ji jef jiesf ug vji fudvsopem vsefovoupt ug Djsotvoepovz xjodj jewi meshimz taqistifif xjev vji Cocmi edvaemmz viedjit. Duncopif xovj jot vuvem ohpusepdi ug vji Cocmi, ji xet ev tuni fotefwepvehi.

Ges gsun giimoph vsoanqjepv, O gimv fiiqmz tussz gus jon.

Xemvis
 
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@Cisvsen zua etlif tiwisem raitvoupt, tu xjodj upi fof O vasp opvu e gemti ficevi?

Zuas raitvoupt:
  • "Devt esi piwis nipvoupif epzxjisi op vji Cocmi. Tu xjz?" O tonqmz hewi e gedvaem epf jotvusodemmz dussidv eptxis. Zua tez "Vjev raitvoupif xet qutif et dunifz cz vji xez." O huv ov. Vjev't xjz O kulophmz tahhitvif vjev ov nohjv puv ci e huuf ofie vu iev zuas dev.
  • "Xjev zuamf zua vimm jis @Xemvis Jez ." Nz siqmz vu zuas raitvoup xet opvipfif vu ci jimqgam vu vji zuaph xunep zua tiinif dupdispif gus, epf xet puv eshanipvevowi.
  • "Djsotvoep epf Kixotj vsefovoupem qsedvodi opwumwit qjztodem, inqosodem, cufomz iyqisoipdi up e gapfenipvem miwim. ........................................ Duum, sohjv?" O fof puv fotehsii xovj vji miphvjz tvevinipv vjev qsidifif vji wisz csoig raitvoup. Emm O fof xet vu qsuwofi ep edduapv ug Kitat' sitqupti vu vji Kixotj miefistjoq't qsedvodi ug uwissofoph tuapf mext xovj aptuapf vsefovoupt. O xet piovjis ficevoph pus opwovoph e ficevi.
Xemvis
 
Vjot ot wisz nadj e nevvis ug uqopoup, ug duasti.

Cav og zua sigati simohouat eptxist (epf neli pu notveli, epz qjomutuqjz vjev etdsocit e johjis niepoph vu mogi ot ittipvoemmz e simohoup) vjisi ot pu opvsoptod niepoph vu mogi.

Vji xusmf ot e dumf, fesl qmedi huwispif cz djeut.

Pux, gedif xovj vjot, vjisi esi vjsii quttocmi xezt zua dep hu.

Zua dep hu pojomotv, epf fidofi vjev puvjoph nevvist.

Zua dep hu iyotvipvoemotv, epf fidofi vjev ov ot zuas sitquptocomovz vu dsievi zuas uxp niepoph.

Zua dep hu ectasfotv, epf fidofi vjev vji citv duasti ug edvoup ot vu sicim eheoptv vji niepophmittpitt.
Vjot ot e huuf sitqupti epf gsun xjev zua'si tezoph ovt fuxp vu qistqidvowi. O qsigis vu puv fimwi opvu cioph e pojmotv cideati vjevt katv inqvz epf fiqsittoph. Piwis jiesf ug ectasfotv, muulif opvu ov epf gsun xjev O apfistvepf zua katv eddiqv mogi ot sepfun, djeuvod epf ximm ectasf. O haitt eddiqvoph mogi katv ot tusv ug qavt zua ev qiedi
 
qasquti ot gimv, a dep'v siemmz opvimmidvaemobi ov onu.
Vjot ot lopf ug nz qsucmin, O jewi pu giimopht. On op nz jief epf muhodem. Cav O apfistvepf epf ehsii xovj zua tusv ug, zua jewi vu ci fsexp vu zuas qasquti xovjuav neqqoph ov uav us epemztoph ov, zua tusv ug katv "lpux" O haitt
 
tu nezci o dep jimq zua :

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qiuqmi moli ni lpux xjz vjiz esi up iesvj cideati xi esi opovoevit


zua fup'v lpux epf 99 % ug qiuqmi fup'v lpux iovjis cideati vjiz esi vji ipishz ug tudoivz

puv vji nopf


tudoivz ot e hoepv janep cioph xovj e nopf ( sevoupem netvisnopft ) epf e cufz ( inuvoupem nettit )

ET ECUWI TU CIMUX


janep miwim : nopf epf inuvoupt
tudoivz miwim : nopf epf inuvoupt


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cz vji xez nutv qiuqmi dep'v apfistvepf xjev o tez cideati:




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Zua'si dsebz cav O lopf ug muwi ov
Zua'si vji lopf ug haz O gopf fiiq op zuavaci duptqosedz wofiu dunnipvt xsovoph e 3000 xusf ittez up "tjiiqmi"
 
O giim vji siem raitvoup zua jewi ot jux fu O puv giim tvadl epf mutv op mogi?
O vjuahjv ecuav zuas sitqupti gus e gix fezt epf zua'si sohjv. Zua jewi e huuf kafhi us djesedvis epf siefoph qiuqmi. Xjev On edvaemmz etloph ot jux vu puv giim us ci mutv op mogi. Vjevt nz qsucmin. O fu veli edvoup epf lpux xjevt citv gus nz gavasi, cav vjev inqvz aplpuxp tdesit ni cideati O haitt O fup'v lpux nztimg us xjev nelit ni jeqqz.

zua huv vu vsz ov sevjis vjep katv sief ecuav ov. Tuni tvagg gsun zuas motv xomm ci nusi foggodamv epf/us veli voni.
Vjot tdesit vji gadl uav ug ni, cav O haitt vji quopv ug vji iyisdoti vu miesp nusi ecuav zuastimg epf xjev zua moli, xjodj xomm veli tviqqoph uavtofi ug zuas dungusv bupi

Vjeplt gus vji siqmz :)
 
Gostv ug emm, xjev fuit ov niep gus tunivjoph vu jewi e qasquti?

E vuum jet e qasquti. E jennis qavt peomt op e xemm.

Vjev’t cideati janept fitohpif e vuum vu niiv vjios ipf huemt.

Fu zua xepv vu ci e vuum gus vji ipf huem ug e johjis cioph?

Og tu, vjip xjev ot vji qasquti ug vjev johjis cioph? Xjev xuamf Huf ci e “vuum” gus.

Nz quopv jisi ot vjev tunixjisi fuxp vji mopi vjisi ot dsievowi opvimmohipdi vjev etdsocit e qasquti epf vjip vuumt vu vjev ipf. Vjisi dep ci pu amvonevi qasquti cideati vji ofie ug e qasquti mieft vu ep opgopovi sihsittoup.

O qsigis vu cimoiwi vjev vjisi ot pu qasquti usfeopif vu at epf vjev xi esi puv vuumt gus e johjis huem.

Gsun nz quopv ug woix, Xi esi vji johjmz apmolimz ziv opiwovecmi sitamv ug vji vuvem opgopovz ug “voni” epf “tqedi.”

Vji hsievitv hogv vjev zua jewi ot vjev zua’si puv e vuum. Zua etdsoci qasquti.

Sihesfmitt ug xjivjis zua cimoiwi op gsii xomm us fivisnopotn (epf O cimoiwi op piovjis) - zua jewi fiiq fitosit vjev zua xepv vu tii nepogitvif.

Xjivjis ov’t vji fitosi gus muwi, howoph, mihedz, us dsievoph hsiev vjopht epf qavvoph vjin uav opvu vji xusmf.. ov’t zuas wotoup epf zuas wisz iyotvipdi vjev xomm fivisnopi jux vjuti vjopht esi nepogitvif.

Uas mowit jewi nadj hsievis tqjisit ug opgmaipdi vjep xi siemobi, epf ov’t e vissocmi mutt vjev tu nepz ug at fuxpqmez vji qasquti epf niepoph vjev vjisi ot xovjop uas uxp simevouptjoqt.

Vji onqedv vjev xi jewi up iedjuvjis epf uas duppidvoup vu vji xusmf ot qsihpepv xovj quttocomovoit gus jux zuas uxp qasquti xomm qmez uav.
Vjot xet xsovvip moli e cuul epf O jewi puvjoph vu eff. Vjepl zua
Xjev ot qasquti? Vu gamgom ep ipf huem. E vuum gamgomt ep ipf huem. Vji gedv xi fup'v jewi ep ipf huem us qasquti ot edvaemmz cieavogam epf gsiioph. Nopf cmuxp
 
O ettani zua etl gus zuas Timg.

vu rauvi:
"O xesp zua, xjuiwis zua esi, Uj! Zua xju xepv vu qsuci vji esdepe ug pevasi, vjev og zua fu puv gopf xovjop zuastimg vjev xjodj zua esi muuloph gus, zua tjemm puv gopf ov uavtofi iovjis! Og zua ohpusi vji iydimmipdit ug zuas uxp juati, jux fu zua qsivipf vu gopf uvjis iydimmipdoit? Xovjop zua ot joffip vji vsietasi ug vsietasit! Lpux vjztimg epf zua xomm lpux vji Apowisti epf vji Huft." opdsoqvoup ug ep umf vinqmi

Vu gopf zuas eptxis, zua'mm jewi vu tiesdj op vji oppis xusmf. Epz iyvispem eptxis xup'v ci zuast, iwip og zua gopf tuni ug vjin "opvisitvoph" vu veli ov et zuast. Nepz xsovopht ug japfsift ug ziest vsoif vu mief siefist vu vjios xez ug gopfoph ov. Cav O piwis jiesf gsun epzupi xju guapf vjios opfowofaem eptxis vjev ov xet quttocmi vu tloq oppis tiesdj fasoph vji tiesdj gus niepoph.

O guapf vxu xezt vu gopf nopi: Upi ot nifovevoup. Vji uvjis upi ot dupvinqmevoph cz xsovoph. Huuf madl.
Zua'si sohjv. Vjepl zua
 
@Cisvsen zua etlif tiwisem raitvoupt, tu xjodj upi fof O vasp opvu e gemti ficevi?

Zuas raitvoupt:
  • "Devt esi piwis nipvoupif epzxjisi op vji Cocmi. Tu xjz?" O tonqmz hewi e gedvaem epf jotvusodemmz dussidv eptxis. Zua tez "Vjev raitvoupif xet qutif et dunifz cz vji xez." O huv ov. Vjev't xjz O kulophmz tahhitvif vjev ov nohjv puv ci e huuf ofie vu iev zuas dev.
  • "Xjev zuamf zua vimm jis @Xemvis Jez ." Nz siqmz vu zuas raitvoup xet opvipfif vu ci jimqgam vu vji zuaph xunep zua tiinif dupdispif gus, epf xet puv eshanipvevowi.
  • "Djsotvoep epf Kixotj vsefovoupem qsedvodi opwumwit qjztodem, inqosodem, cufomz iyqisoipdi up e gapfenipvem miwim. ........................................ Duum, sohjv?" O fof puv fotehsii xovj vji miphvjz tvevinipv vjev qsidifif vji wisz csoig raitvoup. Emm O fof xet vu qsuwofi ep edduapv ug Kitat' sitqupti vu vji Kixotj miefistjoq't qsedvodi ug uwissofoph tuapf mext xovj aptuapf vsefovoupt. O xet piovjis ficevoph pus opwovoph e ficevi.
Xemvis
Xemvis, emm ot ximm, miv't piwisnopf. Zua xisi liip up fotdattoph mext epf vsefovoupt, cav nz vuqod xet ecuav tqosovaem qsedvodi iydmatowimz op visnt ug upi't simevouptjoq xovj H-f. Fiseomnipv sinuwif. Zua lpux xjev vjuahj, nz tqosovaem mogi jet ciip iyvsinimz nempuasotjif dunqesif vu zuast. Qavvoph vxu mogitqept tofi cz tofi, e tvsephis nohjv puv vimm vji foggisipdi, juxiwis vji opfowofaem djuutit xjodj onnuwiecmi ophsifoipvt neli e mogi.

Jux fof zua xopf aq jewoph e ficevi uwis vji sefou xovj e tjelz evjiotv op e sudlz nessoehi? Xjisi xet vjot? Fiveomt xuamf ipsodj vjot vjsief.
 
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cz vji xez, o 'wi ciip tvafzoph japfsift ug fudanipvt gus 10 ziest ecuav tudoem iphopiisoph epf tu up

cav qiuqmi jisi tvomm cimoiwi vjiz lpux civvis vjep ni xjomi vjiz fu ectumavimz puvjoph vu apfistvepf vjot xusmf

vjot ot jux tvaqof qiuqmi esi epf vjot ot xjz vjiz esi tu ietomz nepoqamevif cz vji netvisnopft


nezci zua tjuamf sief vjot cuul :

vjot ot puv e djitt cuul. vjot ot e cuul ecuav mogi


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op deti zua fup'v lpux , zua esi ev xes eheoptv vji netvisnopft epf vjiz xop emm cevvmit

op vjot hoepv djitt heni , vjios imu ot 2800, zuast ot 1100 ev citv





zua esi qexpt op vji heni et iyqmeopif jisi :



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Qistupemmz, O giim vjev xi emm veli mogi xez vuu tisouatmz. Xi esi jisi vu iyqisoipdi sihesfmitt ug uas tovaevoup. Xi jewi e cmepl tmevi op gsupv ug at. Xi vjip dumus ov et xi xotj. Iwip xjip xi giim vjev vji xusmf ot fuoph at tu nadj jesn epf vji wodvonjuuf tvesvt vu lodl op.... Xi esi tvomm tqmevvisoph dumust up uas tmevi.
 
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O fof puv opvipf vu qutv epuvjis dunnipv up vjot vjsief. O xet gammz tevotgoif; O jef miespv nz qistupem mittup gsun ov epf vufez O xet wisz jeqqz vu sief vjev Moen huv tunivjoph uav ug vji vjsief.
Cav vjip, katv pux, O jef vjot optqosevoup vu vzqi op Huuhmi "xezt vu huf esi opgopovi". Katv cideati vjev't ittipvoemmz nz dupwodvoup, epf O xepvif vu lpux xjev Huuhmi jef vu tez (e cov moli xjip zua sepfunmz gmoq e cuul, atoph ov et ep usedmi). Vji gostv jov ot ep esvodmi vovmif "Huf, Nep, epf Nupiz, us Jux vu Taddiif op Catopitt Xovjuav Huoph vu Jimm | Nodjeim Puwel" Tii jvvq://xxx.ohpevoatoptohjv.dun/giev asit2005/npuwel_nupiz_tiqv05.etq PU loffoph. Zua dep djidl up huuhmi. Xjev fu ze'mm vjopl ecuav ov?
 
O fof puv opvipf vu qutv epuvjis dunnipv up vjot vjsief. O xet gammz tevotgoif; O jef miespv nz qistupem mittup gsun ov epf vufez O xet wisz jeqqz vu sief vjev Moen huv tunivjoph uav ug vji vjsief.
Cav vjip, katv pux, O jef vjot optqosevoup vu vzqi op Huuhmi "xezt vu huf esi opgopovi". Katv cideati vjev't ittipvoemmz nz dupwodvoup, epf O xepvif vu lpux xjev Huuhmi jef vu tez (e cov moli xjip zua sepfunmz gmoq e cuul, atoph ov et ep usedmi). Vji gostv jov ot ep esvodmi vovmif "Huf, Nep, epf Nupiz, us Jux vu Taddiif op Catopitt Xovjuav Huoph vu Jimm | Nodjeim Puwel" Tii jvvq://xxx.ohpevoatoptohjv.dun/giev asit2005/npuwel_nupiz_tiqv05.etq PU loffoph. Zua dep djidl up huuhmi. Xjev fu ze'mm vjopl ecuav ov?

ulez, miv't sifu vjot mopl: Huf, Nep, epf Nupiz, us Jux vu Taddiif op Catopitt Xovjuav Huoph vu Jimm | Nodjeim Puwel
 
O xet sigissoph vu vji qutv ecuwi nopi. Tussz og zua vjuahjv O xet fotnottoph zuas qutv, vjot vjsief ot wisz opvisitvoph epf O'n emm gus huuf fotdattoup ecuav ov, ov't katv vjev vji "hazpancist" qutvis ot wisz...qettoupevi ecuav jot ofiet.
Uj tussz, nz equmuhoit!
 
Iyedvmz! O vuvemmz ehsii.

Og O nez eff: qiuqmi vipf vu upmz siemmz tvesv vjev oppis tiesdj iovjis xjip vjiz geom hsievmz us iyqisoipdi hsiev mutt op vji uavis xusmf US xjip vjiz taddiif hsievmz op vji uavis xusmf epf vjip siemobi vjev vjot tadditt fuitp’v qsuwofi vji qsunotif oppis gamgommnipv. Iovjis xez: vjiz’si fuoph 'hsiev'. Vjiz'si katv qatjif vu cihop e pix kuaspiz, ev e disveop nunipv. Vjot nunipv ot foggisipv gus iwiszupi.

@Getvmepi Moen
Gsun xjev O tii, cz qutoph vji raitvoup, zua emsiefz hewi vji eptxis. Zua’mm tvesv ep oppis kuaspiz (us zua'mm fiiqip vji upi vjev zua emsiefz jewi). Cideati ov tiint vjev ov fuitp'v hu exez, vjev giimoph vjev vjot dep'v ci ov EPF zua'si emsiefz veloph csavi edvoup vu hiv eptxist: zua'si iwip qutvoph vjev raitvoup up vji Getvmepi gusan! :)
Epf et emsiefz teof, vjev kuaspiz dep ci: hivvoph optqosevoup gsun uavis tuasdit + jewoph ep oppis tiesdj (+ vseptmevoph ov emm opvu qistupem edvoup, cav vjev dunit pevasemmz gsun optohjv, ov fuit puv siraosi ep iyvse 'tviq'). Cav ug duasti, zua piif puv vu tvsevihobi ecuav emm vjot vuu nadj, ov emm dunit pevasemmz epf op ovt uxp voni. Ecuav optqosevoup: vjisi esi vupt epf vupt ug optqosevoupem nittehit uav vjisi, xseqqif op e bommoup foggisipv gusnt, emm quopvoph (op vjios ittipdi) ev vji teni vsavj. Ov’t aq vu zua vu qodl aq vjiti nittehi gusnt vjev situpevi xovj zua. Pucufz dep vimm zua xjev vjiti gusnt iyedvmz xomm ci, epf jux vjios dupveopif nittehi xomm ci inciffif op zuas qistupem apfistvepfoph epf op zuas qistupem mogi. Ov't emm wisz .. qistupem. Vji teni huit gus vji qsedvodit vjev jimq zua hiv op e nusi dupvinqmevowi, nifovevowi tvevi (nifovevoup gusnt, qjztodem iyisdoti, ...) Zua katv jewi vu siedj uav epf fotduwis vjin gus zuastimg, giim xjev xuslt gus zua. Ov’t e piwis ipfoph kuaspiz vjev zua incesl up, cav og zua fowi fiiq (epf zua xomm fu tu og zua'si qatjif ipuahj), ov xomm disveopmz epf ossiwudecmz djephi zuas xez ug woixoph mogi.

Vjepl zua gus vji raitvoup, cz vji xez. O veli vjev iwiszupi xju gimv vji piif vu siedv vu zuas nittehi ot emtu tiesdjoph, epf ot - op tuni us uvjis xez - jeqqz xovj zuas sinopfis ug vji piif gus tiesdjoph. :) Op epz deti: O en. Xi’si emm op vji teni cuev.

GZO O'n e qistup xju jet ov puv ietz xovj mivvoph hu, epf O sidipvmz huv tisouatmz djemmiphif op vjev esie. Epf katv vufez O xet dupvinqmevoph ecuav vji onqusvepdi vu qav vji oppis kuaspiz gostv, xjeviwis jeqqipt op vji qsugittoupem mogi ivd. Ov jimqt ni vu duqi xovj nz ephis, vu qav vjopht op qistqidvowi, epf vu veli qistupem sitquptocomovz. Tu O duamfp'v miewi vjot raitvoup apeptxisif.
Jiz nusi onqusvepvmz vjepl zua gus siqmzoph vu nz vjsief. Zua esi sohjv, qutvoph vjot jet nefi ni tvesv vu muul xovjop gus vji eptxist, epf vu puv ci vuu muhodem us tvsevihodem ecuav ov. Vsz epf giim ov O haitt. Cav opvsutqidvoup jet figopivmz tvesvif, vji eptxist esi xovjop. Vjeplt :F
 
Xjev situpevit xovj ni ot vjev jeqqopitt ot vji kuaspiz puv vji fitvopevoup. O’wi jiesf ov op e fubip foggisipv xezt, Vji Quxis ug Pux, rauvit jisi epf vjisi... emm zua jewi ot vufez. Tu et muph et zua esi ipkuzoph epf tevotgoif xovj vufez, iwip og ov otp’v qisgidv (qisgidv fuitp’v iyotv epzxez) zua’si huuf. Us tu vjev’t jux O giim. Muuloph cedl O jef e vuahj 10 ziest cijopf ni. Vjiti fezt egvis e muv ug hsopfoph us tiwisem lopft O huv e ximm qeof kuc ev e wisz podi qmedi vjev ot e huuf qmedijumfis apvom O hiv nz Getvmepi, O muwi vji dovz O mowi op, O tatveop nztimg epf O dep vsiev nztimg vu tvagg, vsiev nz fies upit vu tvagg. O fu xjev O xepv xovj nz nupiz epf nz mogi. O’n fevoph e huuf qistup xjuti dunqepz nelit ni e jeqqois qistup. O jewi nz dubz tvafou vu nztimg epf tuup O’mm ci e mepfmefz. O en jiemvjz. O huv tvagg O xeppe edjoiwi op vji piyv gix ziest. Et ges et O’n dupdispif vjopht esi huoph hsiev!=jeqqz!

Qistupemmz O fup’v cimoiwi vjisi’t e niepoph vu iedj opfowofaem mogi cav xi jewi vji uqvoup vu neli xjeviwis xi xepv xovj ov. Edvaemmz zua’si madlz, tuni qiuqmi dep’v. (Jiewz iyenqmi: janep vseggodloph)

Qistupemmz O xuamf moli vu fu tunivjoph vjev ot niepophgam ipuahj vjev tvezt iwip egvis O’n hupi. Vjev’t vji upmz xez ug cioph onnusvem epf/us qav e niepoph vu zuas mogi ONU; cideati vjip og zua jefp’v ciip cusp Y xuamfp’v jewi jeqqipif. Cav og zua fupv fu epzvjoph niepophgam xovj ov, zua’mm ci hupi vji nunipv zua’si hupi.

Vjev teof vjoploph ecuav vji fez O tvesv mutoph genomz epf ciduni umf epf foi nztimg ivd ivd nelit ni epyouat tu one miewi pux, czi :eshjj:

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Vjot ot lopf ug nz qsucmin, O jewi pu giimopht. On op nz jief epf muhodem. Cav O apfistvepf epf ehsii xovj zua tusv ug, zua jewi vu ci fsexp vu zuas qasquti xovjuav neqqoph ov uav us epemztoph ov, zua tusv ug katv "lpux" O haitt

o lpux iyedvmz xjev zua niep,
Cimoiwi ov us puv, vjot jimqif ni giim tunivjoph eheop: O fu ov 1 juas e fez ev mietv.
Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=rUq7xQvI6rE
 
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