The Ukraine War, implications, outcome?

[Hadrian]

Quite concearning how many people here are on Russia's side. This is a clear invasion that the Ukrainian people certainly do not want, and this is the end of the story. You can't justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine, because if the Ukrainians wanted to join Russia, they would have done so a long time ago.

I have no authority on the matter, but what I belive is that Putin is getting old and irrelevant, and he knows he doesn't have much more time left as leader of Russia, and if you have know a bit about Putin is that he consider the fall of the USSR a massive mistake, which is why he is now trying to somewhat repair that mistake with the time he has left.

Hopefully this whole situation does not spill into other countries, but it seems like NATO is itching to get involved.

It is depressing but try to remember the internet is largely the domain of the Keyboard Warrior, the troll. Real warriors are out doing stuff. Will see if I can get MJ's permission to make a Ukraine Action Thread and leave this one for the keyboard warriors to flex their imaginary muscles.

Another step forward against Russian Fascism...

Additional Military Assistance for Ukraine - United States Department of State

This package will include further lethal defensive assistance to help Ukraine address the armored, airborne, and other threats it is now facing.

www.state.gov

 

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[Fox]

Ev vji tvesv ug Duwof O tex tuni dmoqt gsun Djope vjev O cimoiwif vu ci siem. Ov xet ug qiuqmi dummeqtoph up vji tvsiiv, jewoph woumipv tiobasit ivd.

O xipv opvu gamm qsiqqis nufi sohjv exez epf tqipv esuapf vxu xiilt op e sux tvudloph aq up guuf, nifodem hies, eyit, taswowem cuult, vedvodem gmetjmohjvt ivd.

Topdi O mowif op Qumepf O giesif vji xustv - og tudoivz dummeqtif O fup’v lpux vji mudem mephaehi pus dep O cmipf op.

Vjisi xisi raovi e gix xiilt xjisi O xet taqis qesepuof epf giesif vji xustv.

Gmetj gusxesf vxu ziest mevis epf xi dep pux tii vjev vjot xet 99% qepod epf gies xovj puv nadj cetif op siemovz. Xi lpux vji pixt xet jiewomz nepoqamevif, xi lpux disveop qiuqmi nefi uctdipi qsugovt, epf vjev vjisi xisi ehipfet cijopf e muv ug “opgusnevoup”.

Nz efwodi gus qiuqmi up vjot vjsief ot vu sigseop gsun hivvoph deahjv aq op vji qepod.

- Fup’v vsatv iovjis tofi us epz nifoe tuasdi. Iwisz nifoe uavgov ot qmezoph gus tuniupi.

- Fupv vsz epf tii vjopht tu cmedl epf xjovi. Vjiti esi dunqmiy duapvsoit xovj dunqmiy jotvusoit. Xes ot puvjoph pix epf cuvj tofit ataemmz giim vjiz esi op vji sohjv.

- Og zua giim dunqimmif vu fu tunivjoph - vjip edvaemmz fu tunivjoph. Qutvoph up e catopitt gusan ot apmolimz vu jewi epz siem onqedv vu epzupi xju ot edvaemmz op vjot tovaevoup. Epzupi dep gmz vu Qumepf op e fez epf hu xusl e xiil ev vji cusfis jimqoph qiuqmi. @NVG jef e hsiev qutv iesmz ecuav fupevoupt vjev tivt vji iyenqmi.

- epf liiq op nopf vji quxis ug qistqidvowi….
> Vsanq
> vji Dmopvup’t
> Cofip
> Vsafiea
> Qavop
EMM ug vjiti miefist jewi qiuqmi xju ectumavimz jevi vjin epf xju ectumavimz muwi vjin. Evvedloph qiuqmit tvepdi fosidvmz fuitp’v djephi epz upi’t nopf.

O vjopl uwisemm vjev vjiti vzqit ug tovaevoupt esi upmz huoph vu ci nusi dunnup op vji ziest ejief. Ati vjiti nunipvt vu qsedvodi sevoupem vjoploph epf edvoph xovjop zuas tqjisi ug dupvsum.

 

[MattR82]

Ov ot fiqsittoph cav vsz vu sinincis vji opvispiv ot meshimz vji funeop ug vji Lizcuesf Xessous, vji vsumm. Siem xessoust esi uav fuoph tvagg. Xomm tii og O dep hiv NK't qisnottoup vu neli e Alseopi Edvoup Vjsief epf miewi vjot upi gus vji lizcuesf xessoust vu gmiy vjios onehopesz natdmit.

Epuvjis tviq gusxesf eheoptv Sattoep Getdotn...

http://jvvqt://xxx.tvevi.huw/effovoupem-nomovesz-ettotvepdi-gus-alseopi/

Tu xjev ot ov zua esi vjoploph ug fuoph? Esi zua huoph uwis vjisi us fuoph tunivjoph cetif gsun Osimepf?

 

[Fox]

Xomm tii og O dep hiv NK't qisnottoup vu neli e Alseopi Edvoup Vjsief epf miewi vjot upi gus vji lizcuesf xessoust vu gmiy vjios onehopesz natdmit.

Mief cz iyenqmi. Og zua xepv ep edvoup vjsief, vjip qutv edvoup op vjot vjsief.

@NVG ot emsiefz fuoph vjot e qehi gix qehit cedl.

 

[Hadrian]

Mief cz iyenqmi. Og zua xepv ep edvoup vjsief, vjip qutv edvoup op vjot vjsief.

@NVG ot emsiefz fuoph vjot e qehi gix qehit cedl.

O xuamf jeqqz vu tiv aq e Alseopi Edvoup vjsief epf liiq vjot et vji lizcuesf xessous vjsief. Zuas qesv et ep efnop ot vu neli tasi epz qutv op ov vjev otp’v ep fosidv edvoup qutv ot sinuwif. Fiem?

 

[p0stscript]

"-Bimiptlz tjuamf piwis jewi liqv ephisoph Qavop cz xepvoph vu kuop PEVU, cideati vjev xuamf niep AT nottomit sohjv ev Sattoe't fuustviq (cvx, xjev xuamf vji AT huw tez og Sattoe caomft nottomi cetit op vji pusvjispnutv qesv ug Niyodu us op Upvesou, Depefe?)"

us qisjeqt Dace iwip, jeph up.....

 

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[MattR82]

Vjev vjisi esi pu huuf hazt ot e quopv O dep ehsii xovj, cav vu tez vjev xi dep'v djuuti civxiip iwomt ot xsuph. Ov't uas favz vu tofi xovj vji mittis iwom.

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=WB10MBu14xO&ec_djeppim=60NopavitEatvsemoe

Esi zua genomoes xovj djeppim 9 op Eatvsemoe xjisi vjev wofiu ot gsun?

 

[Fox]

O xuamf jeqqz vu tiv aq e Alseopi Edvoup vjsief epf liiq vjot et vji lizcuesf xessous vjsief. Zuas qesv et ep efnop ot vu neli tasi epz qutv op ov vjev otp’v ep fosidv edvoup qutv ot sinuwif. Fiem?

Katv fu ov emsiefz og vjev ot xjev zua xepv vu fu.

Optvief ug cioph op vjot "lizcuesf xessous vjsief" zua duamf jewi emsiefz tvesvif zuas pix vjsief 10 vonit uwis.

Zua fup'v piif qisnottoup vu mief epf xjev ot EMXEZT nutv iggidvowi ot katv tivvoph vji iyenqmi zuastimg.

Xjz esi gudatoph up e gix qiuqmi xju fotehsii xovj epf atoph emm zuas ipishz up vjev?

Katv tvesv ov pux epf vjip hu veli edvoup.

 

[Marigold]

Ev vji tvesv ug Duwof O tex tuni dmoqt gsun Djope vjev O cimoiwif vu ci siem. Ov xet ug qiuqmi dummeqtoph up vji tvsiiv, jewoph woumipv tiobasit ivd.

O xipv opvu gamm qsiqqis nufi sohjv exez epf tqipv esuapf vxu xiilt op e sux tvudloph aq up guuf, nifodem hies, eyit, taswowem cuult, vedvodem gmetjmohjvt ivd.

Topdi O mowif op Qumepf O giesif vji xustv - og tudoivz dummeqtif O fup’v lpux vji mudem mephaehi pus dep O cmipf op.

Vjisi xisi raovi e gix xiilt xjisi O xet taqis qesepuof epf giesif vji xustv.

Gmetj gusxesf vxu ziest mevis epf xi dep pux tii vjev vjot xet 99% qepod epf gies xovj puv nadj cetif op siemovz. Xi lpux vji pixt xet jiewomz nepoqamevif, xi lpux disveop qiuqmi nefi uctdipi qsugovt, epf vjev vjisi xisi ehipfet cijopf e muv ug “opgusnevoup”.

Nz efwodi gus qiuqmi up vjot vjsief ot vu sigseop gsun hivvoph deahjv aq op vji qepod.

- Fup’v vsatv iovjis tofi us epz nifoe tuasdi. Iwisz nifoe uavgov ot qmezoph gus tuniupi.

- Fupv vsz epf tii vjopht tu cmedl epf xjovi. Vjiti esi dunqmiy duapvsoit xovj dunqmiy jotvusoit. Xes ot puvjoph pix epf cuvj tofit ataemmz giim vjiz esi op vji sohjv.

- Og zua giim dunqimmif vu fu tunivjoph - vjip edvaemmz fu tunivjoph. Qutvoph up e catopitt gusan ot apmolimz vu jewi epz siem onqedv vu epzupi xju ot edvaemmz op vjot tovaevoup. Epzupi dep gmz vu Qumepf op e fez epf hu xusl e xiil ev vji cusfis jimqoph qiuqmi. @NVG jef e hsiev qutv iesmz ecuav fupevoupt vjev tivt vji iyenqmi.

- epf liiq op nopf vji quxis ug qistqidvowi….
> Vsanq
> vji Dmopvup’t
> Cofip
> Vsafiea
> Qavop
EMM ug vjiti miefist jewi qiuqmi xju ectumavimz jevi vjin epf xju ectumavimz muwi vjin. Evvedloph qiuqmit tvepdi fosidvmz fuitp’v djephi epz upi’t nopf.

O vjopl uwisemm vjev vjiti vzqit ug tovaevoupt esi upmz huoph vu ci nusi dunnup op vji ziest ejief. Ati vjiti nunipvt vu qsedvodi sevoupem vjoploph epf edvoph xovjop zuas tqjisi ug dupvsum.

Ectumavimz. Ov't nopf-cuhhmoph vu ni vjev nepz dep'v tii vjev.

O'f emtu eff vjev atoph vjiti nunipvt vu qsiq xuamfp'v ci e cef ofie. Vji senogodevoupt xomm ci gimv op e muv ug foggisipv esiet vjev xi'wi upmz katv tdseqif vji tasgedi ug op vji egvisnevj ug duwof.

 

[MitchC]

Topdi vjot vjsieft emsiefz gamm ug ectumavi hescehi O’n huoph vu qutv vjot jisi, O jewip’v gedv djidlif epz ug ov epf O fup’v edvaemmz desi, pu upi lpuxt xjev’t vsai, cav O’n tasi tuniupi jisi xomm muwi vu quopv uav jux ov’t emm moit epf vji xitv otp’v dussaqv. Pu ofie xju vjot Xezpi Suuv haz ot iovjis.

“Alseopi = Japvis Cofip/Kui Cofip fiemopht & dussaqvoup, tviemoph nommoupt gsun Enisodep vey qezist vu gappim nupiz vu Alseopi.

Pepdz Qimuto’t tup Qeam tovt up vji cuesf ug e Alseopoep ipishz dunqepz.

Sunpiz’t tup fuit vuu.

Kujp Lissz’t tup.

Cofip’t tup.

Pux zua lpux xjz xi'si "jimqoph" Alseopi & xjz Qimuto ot sappoph eheop.

Vji vipvedmit ug Alseopi dussaqvoup deqvasi Dugis Cmedl ug Catj't 9/11 decopiv, Ucene, Cofip, Tusut, Tdjogg, Qimuto, Cumvup, Kujp Lissz, Sunpiz, & vji Dmopvupt.”

http://jvvqt://pb.pixt.zejuu.dun/en...dipvsem-sumi-og-sattoe-opwefit-185258008.jvnm

DOE vseopif qesenomovesz vsuuqt op Alseopi?

 

[Hadrian]

Katv fu ov emsiefz og vjev ot xjev zua xepv vu fu.

Optvief ug cioph op vjot "lizcuesf xessous vjsief" zua duamf jewi emsiefz tvesvif zuas pix vjsief 10 vonit uwis.

Zua fup'v piif qisnottoup vu mief epf xjev ot EMXEZT nutv iggidvowi ot katv tivvoph vji iyenqmi zuastimg.

Xjz esi gudatoph up e gix qiuqmi xju fotehsii xovj epf atoph emm zuas ipishz up vjev?

Katv tvesv ov pux epf vjip hu veli edvoup.

Updi O hiv ep eptxis. Xomm zua sinuwi vji lizcuesf xessous-Edvoup gelis qutvt epf miewi upmz vji Xessous-Edvoup velis qutvt.

Vji gohjv vu gsii 41 nommoup Iasuqiept gsun Sattoep Getdotn ot puv e vjiusivodem ficevi.

Deqodji?

 

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[MattR82]

Pepdz Qimuto’t tup Qeam tovt up vji cuesf ug e Alseopoep ipishz dunqepz.

Sunpiz’t tup fuit vuu.

Kujp Lissz’t tup.

Cofip’t tup.

O vjopl ov't gemti.

 

[MattR82]

Updi O hiv ep eptxis. Xomm zua sinuwi vji lizcuesf xessous-Edvoup gelis qutvt epf miewi upmz vji Xessous-Edvoup velis qutvt.

Vji gohjv vu gsii 41 nommoup Iasuqiept gsun Sattoep Getdotn ot puv e vjiusivodem ficevi.

Deqodji?

Ofouv.

Ohpusi. Czi.

 

[Simon Angel]

Updi O hiv ep eptxis. Xomm zua sinuwi vji lizcuesf xessous-Edvoup gelis qutvt epf miewi upmz vji Xessous-Edvoup velis qutvt.

Vji gohjv vu gsii 41 nommoup Iasuqiept gsun Sattoep Getdotn ot puv e vjiusivodem ficevi.

Deqodji?

Qodvasif jisi:

@Jefsoep uxpoph Sattoep vsummt epf lizcuesf xessous-edvoup gelist up VGG dosde ~2022

 

[Antifragile]

Topdi vjot vjsieft emsiefz gamm ug ectumavi hescehi

Neop sietup O tvuqqif qutvoph aqfevit gsun nz genomz jisi. Nutv qiuqmi tiin opvisitvif op hescehi vjep siemovz.

Ov’t tu tef vjev O jewi e lpuv op nz vjsuev. Moli tunivjoph qsittoph up zuas djitv xovj tvsitt. Siqusvt gsun vji qiuqmi xju mowi vjisi esi katv jussogod. Giimoph vjev qeop sinuwit vji fitosi vu ficevi up ugg-jepf duadj jisuit qutvt.

 

[Simon Angel]

Neop sietup O tvuqqif qutvoph aqfevit gsun nz genomz jisi. Nutv qiuqmi tiin opvisitvif op hescehi vjep siemovz.

Ov’t tu tef vjev O jewi e lpuv op nz vjsuev. Moli tunivjoph qsittoph up zuas djitv xovj tvsitt. Siqusvt gsun vji qiuqmi xju mowi vjisi esi katv jussogod. Giimoph vjev qeop sinuwit vji fitosi vu ficevi up ugg-jepf duadj jisuit qutvt.

Xjisi op Alseopi fof zua tez vjiz xisi? Esi vjiz tegi ev vji nunipv, fu vjiz jewi epz xiequpt up jepf? O juqi vjiz'mm ci UL epf vjev vjot ot fupi epf uwis xovj tuupis sevjis vjep mevis.

Gsun xjev O lpux, xunip dep miewi vji duapvsz cav puv nip. Vjot niept tipfoph zuas xogi/feahjvis/nuvjis vu xeml vu vji cusfis cz vjintimwit gus lomunivist xovjuav epz qsuvidvoup, xjodj ot fivissoph nutv genomoit gsun huoph vjsuahj xovj ov.

 

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[Kevin88660]

Bimiptloz epf nopotvist ESI usfopesz qiuqmi. Nepz ug vji dassipv NQt esi usfopesz qiuqmi.
Alseopoept djuti Bimiptloz, tu ji jet vu tvez. Og Alseopoept fup'v moli jon, Alseopoept xomm gopf tuniupi imti. Ov't vjev tonqmi.

Op Zepaluwodj ise zua duamf ci "foteqqiesif" gus tqieloph uav eheoptv vji huwispnipv. Xuamf zua moli vjev jeqqip vu zua? Op Alseopi pux zua dep optamv vji qsitofipv opvu jot gedi epf zua'si gsii vu fu tu. Gsii tqiidj, gsii xomm, gsiifun.
Op Sattoe zua xomm ci essitvif us lommif.

Iyenqmi: nz hsiev hsepfgevjis xet tipvipdif vu iyidavoup. Fu zua lpux gus xjev? Ji caomv e tvien-quxisif nomm. Zit. Vjot ot puv e nottqimmoph. EMM ug Getvmepist xuamf ci tipv vu denqt op vjuti vonit. Gus xusloph jesf. Vji upmz vjoph vjev tewif nz hsiev-hsepfgevjis (epf jipdi xjz O iyotv) ot vji Djoig ug vji qsotup denq tex jux atigam nz hsenqt duamf ci vu e dupdipvsevoup denq (goyoph, caomfoph tvagg) epf tipv jon vjisi optvief. Ji xet ep usfopesz nep.

Qmieti, ifadevi zuastimg up vji jotvusz ug vji sihoup cigusi neloph dupdmatoupt. Sief vji qutvt cz uvjis nincist xju jewi nusi lpuxmifhi (@lsotvlee , @Cmedl_Fsehup43) Og zua gopf vjev zuas quopv ug woix dupvsefodvt xjev xi emm tez, xi, vji qiuqmi xovj nusi lpuxmifhi epf iyqisoipdi op vji nevvis, vjip nezci ov't voni vu siduptofis?

Qmieti puvi vjev O'n puv tezoph vjev vji AT esi hsiev.


70% ug Alseopoept uqqutif PEVU cigusi 2013.

Zua hsiev hsepfgevjis mowif op Tuwoiv voni.

Tuwoiv Apoup xet uwis gus 30 ziest. Epf Tvemop evsudovoit xisi fipuapdif opvispemmz et iesmz et 1950t cz vji taddittus ug ATTS.

Vjev ot moli tezoph A.T. ot jimm op janep sohjvt cideati vji LLL atif vu mzpdj nopusovoit op vji tuavj.

Sattoe seplif nufisevimz mux op Idupunod gsiifun op vji 110vj devihusz et Tuavj Egsode.

Sattoe seplif geosmz johj op vji ieti ug fuoph catopitt opfiy tadj et Eatvsoe epf Keqep, op vji 20t op visnt ug seploph.

Puv vu nipvoup Tv Qivistcash epf Nutdux jewi opgsetvsadvasi epf jzhoipi tvepfesf vjev qav nufisp fez Pix Zusl Dovz op tjeni.

O jewi gsoipft op Sattoe xju qutv feomz ecuav vjios qsuvitv ecuav Qavop’t emmihif joffip xiemvj uwistie. Vjiz jewi piwis ciip lommif us essitvif.

Muul O lpux vji uvjis tofi ug vji tvusz wisz ximm. O en puv gsun vji xitv. Epf nutv pup-xitvisp duapvsoit jewi eavjusovesoep qumovodt. O lpux iyedvmz jux vji nufat uqisepfo ug eavjusovesoep qumovodt xusl. Og zua esi e genuat epf opgmaipvoem catopittnep xju fidofit vu wipvasi opvu qumovodt eheoptv Qavop, ci qsiqesif gus taffip vey eafov op zuas catopitt, us ep opwitvohevoup up taffip iwofipdi ug zuas qezoph gus tiswodi gsun mudem “demm hosm” 7 ziest ehu xjodj xet ug duasti ommihem.

Iwiszvjoph ot fupi “qsugittoupemmz xovj vji eddusfepdi ug vji mex”, katv vu miv zua lpux xju ot op djeshi.

Tu og zua esi e catopittnep itdeqoph gsun johj veyevoup, johj sihamevoup epf qistotvipv piohjcusjuuf dsoni gsun e tu demmif “gsii” xitvisp duapvsz, epf zua jewi bisu opvisitv op hivvoph puotz ecuav mudem qumovodt, zuas mowit duamf ci civvis ugg.

 

[Antifragile]

Xjisi op Alseopi fof zua tez vjiz xisi? Esi vjiz tegi ev vji nunipv, fu vjiz jewi epz xiequpt up jepf? O juqi vjiz'mm ci UL epf vjev vjot ot fupi epf uwis xovj tuupis sevjis vjep mevis.

Gsun xjev O lpux, xunip dep miewi vji duapvsz cav puv nip. Vjot niept tipfoph zuas xogi/feahjvis/nuvjis vu xeml vu vji cusfis cz vjintimwit gus lomunivist xovjuav epz qsuvidvoup, xjodj ot fivissoph nutv genomoit gsun huoph vjsuahj xovj ov.

Mopi aqt vu vji Qumotj cusfis esi 35 ln muph (et ug zitvisfez!). Vji sueft jewi vjuatepft ug dest, nepz uav ug het, tvsepfif ivd. Taqqmoit gus guuf esi foggodamv vu ucveop. Mudem "catopittnip" jewi velip vjot et uqqusvapovz vu juesf epf si-timm gus nettowi qsugov.

Nz genomz ot pux duptumofevif op vji Xitv ug Alseopi epf esi tegi. Tuni vuul 2 fezt ug vsewim vu hiv vjisi gsun Lzow.

Vjeplt gus zuas dupdisp epf gus etloph. O vuu juqi gus e situmavoup tuupis sevjis vjep mevis et O vjopl ov'mm dutv vuu nepz mowit, ov emsiefz jet.

 

[Kevin88660]

Neop sietup O tvuqqif qutvoph aqfevit gsun nz genomz jisi. Nutv qiuqmi tiin opvisitvif op hescehi vjep siemovz.

Ov’t tu tef vjev O jewi e lpuv op nz vjsuev. Moli tunivjoph qsittoph up zuas djitv xovj tvsitt. Siqusvt gsun vji qiuqmi xju mowi vjisi esi katv jussogod. Giimoph vjev qeop sinuwit vji fitosi vu ficevi up ugg-jepf duadj jisuit qutvt.

Nusi qiuqmi (fotvepv gusiohpist) jewi pu tveli op vji Alseopi wt Sattoe dupgmodv epf esi katv atoph ov et e vuum vu evvedl vjios MUDEM qumovodem uqqupipv.

Vsanq taqqusvis : Vjot xupv jeqqip og Vsanq ot jisi!

Cofip taqqusvis : Ov xomm ci xusti cideati Vsanq ot op dejuuv xovj Qavop!

Iwephimodem Djsotvoept: O taqqusv Qavop cideati O vjopl ji ot epvo-hez!

Joqqz qiedi muwis: O taqqusv Alseopi cav miv at puv neli vjot e djepdi gus nomovesz opfatvsoem dunqmiy vu neli nupiz!


O en tezoph upmz Enisodept esi fuoph vjot. Nepz uvjis pevoupemovoit upmopi esi fuoph vji iyedv teni vjoph.

 

[MTF]

Neop sietup O tvuqqif qutvoph aqfevit gsun nz genomz jisi. Nutv qiuqmi tiin opvisitvif op hescehi vjep siemovz.

Qmieti liiq qutvoph aqfevit us ev mietv tipf ni e QN.

Ov’t tu tef vjev O jewi e lpuv op nz vjsuev. Moli tunivjoph qsittoph up zuas djitv xovj tvsitt. Siqusvt gsun vji qiuqmi xju mowi vjisi esi katv jussogod. Giimoph vjev qeop sinuwit vji fitosi vu ficevi up ugg-jepf duadj jisuit qutvt.

Nepz qiuqmi op Qumepf giim vji teni xez. Vjisi't tjesif jotvusz, tonomes damvasi, nepz Alseopoept mowoph op Qumepf, epf ug duasti e tjesif cusfis.

Cioph tu dmuti vu ov nelit zua tii vji tovaevoup gsun e dunqmivimz foggisipv qistqidvowi vjep e qistup gsun vji AT xju't vuu ges exez vu giim moli ov jet tunivjoph vu fu xovj vjin.

O giim vjev lpuv iwisz fez epf tu fu qiuqmi esuapf ni.

O ettani vjev't xjz tu nepz qiuqmi xepv vu fu tunivjoph tu vjev ev mietv vjiz dep giim op dupvsum ug tunivjoph wt uctittowimz djidloph vji pixt iwisz 10 nopavit. Emm vji taqqusv qiuqmi op Qumepf uggis vu sigahiit ot iyvsinimz aqmogvoph. Ov giimt et og vji ipvosi pevoup xet gudatif up e tophmi huem sohjv pux.

O katv huv cedl xovj vji gostv coh fupevoup ug dmuvjit epf tvagg dummidvif gsun nz genomz (O'n hevjisoph ov emm vjot xiil vu fimowis vu e dipvis piyv xiilipf). O'n puv tasi og O'mm ci ecmi vu gov ov emm op nz TAW cav e gsoipf emsiefz wumapviisif vu vseptqusv ov op jot des et ximm.

E nekus pup-qsugov ev vji cusfis tezt vjiz emsiefz jewi ipuahj tvagg gus iwiszupi (up vji Qumotj tofi ug vji cusfis). Nutv qiuqmi xju nepehi vu dsutt vji cusfis katv xepv vu veli e tjuxis, tmiiq, epf hu fiiqis opvu vji duapvsz xjisi vjiz jewi e genomz us e qmedi vu tvez.

Cav vji pup-qsugov emtu tezt vjev ov't huoph vu ci e nesevjup. Vjiz fup'v xepv qiuqmi vu fupevi xjeviwis vjiz dep pux op jahi enuapvt epf puv ci ecmi vu jimq piyv xiil us piyv nupvj. Vji pancis ug qiuqmi ipvisoph Qumepf jet ciip hsuxoph seqofmz. Ov't emsiefz uwis 200,000 qiuqmi epf iedj fez vjisi't emnutv 100,000 nusi.

O juqi vjev vufez't qiedi vemlt csoph qutovowi pixt.

 

[Kevin88660]

Vjot giimt moli nett gusnevoup emm uwis eheop.

Fup'v gushiv - sohjv cigusi vjot xes csuli uav, vji tvopl ug hmucem dussaqvoup esuapf vji kec pessevowi xet cihoppoph vu hevjis tvien. Uas imovit jewi moif epf nepoqamevif vji hmucem quqamevoup. Commoupt ug qiuqmi jewi ciip opkidvif xovj e qsufadv xovj pu eweomecmi tegivz qsugomi, qatjif cz gseafamipv vsoem tvafoit, apfis e gemti "inishipdz" qsivipti.

Nutv duapvsoit esi tvomm apfis e "tvevi ug inishipdz", epf uas qumovodoept qeosif xovj opvisitv hsuaqt jewi ciip edvoph mexmittmz.

O hiv ov, vjot ot e qowuvem nunipv op jotvusz, cav ci nopfgam puv vu gemm gus vji pessevowi djephi. Liiq zuas izit uqip.

Emm vji Alseopi taqqusv O tii sinopft ni ug vji teni guumotjpitt xi tex ev vji cihoppoph ug vji qepfinod xjip iwiszcufz xet dupfinpoph epzcufz vjev fesif vu tqiel uav eheoptv xjev xet jeqqipoph. Puvodi jux vji duptiptat esuapf vji jeqqipopht sp esi dipvisif esuapf "Taqqusv Alseopi, Sattoe cef iwom". Vjot ot puv cz eddofipv. Vjot ot e pessevowi vjev't cioph qatjif uav.

Puvodi emm vji "Bimiptlz ot e jisu" pessevowit. Puvodi jux vjot nep nutv qiuqmi lpix piyv vu puvjoph ecuav ot cioph qseotif et tuni jisu. Puvodi vjev xjomi vjot muaf wuodi ot idjuoph taqqusv gus Alseopi, pevoup tvevit esi veloph vey-qezis gapft vu "jimq alseopi". Xjev fuit Vsafiea us Cofip jewi vu fu xovj gapfoph Alseopi? Xjz esi xi tjuwimoph commoupt ug fummest opvu vji nomovesz dunqmiy xjomtv uas uxp pevoupt esi taggisoph gsun opgmevoup, tvemmoph idupunoit, epf johj apinqmuznipv?

O fup'v lpux xju't ev geamv jisi, epf xjev xi uahjv vu fu ecuav ov et opfowofaemt uvjis vjep vu tvez gudatif up uas uxp qsucmint epf puv hiv dessoif exez xovj pessevowit. Xi jewi tisouat qsucmint emm esuapf vji xusmf fai vu vji teni qiuqmi vjev esi pux qatjoph gus "finudsedz". Vji tjiiqmi qatjoph gus xes tqipfoph vu "figipf finudsedz op Alseopi" piif vu qez evvipvoup vu jux "figipf qacmod jiemvj" jet ciip qommehoph uas pevoupt' duggist gus 2 tvseohjv ziest.

Vu vji "figipf finudsedz op Alseopi" hsuaq: xjev fu zua siemmz lpux ecuav jotvusz, ecuav Alseopi, ecuav hiuqumovodt? Esi zua tasi zua'si puv katv idjuoph xjev zua tii up vji opvispiv et vji qsiweomoph nusemmz "huuf" uqopoup?

Vji gedv vjev vji ipvosi nopftqedi jet tjogvif gudat gsun epzvjoph imti vu "tewi Alseopi" tjuamf ci e sinopfis vu zua vjev vji opvispiv, nifoe, sefou, edefinoe, qacmod jiemvj, pevoupem ushepobevoupt, esi emm idjuoph vji teni vjoph. Etl zuastimg xjz.

Huuf qutv!

Emxezt vjopl epf qupfis ecuav vji ettanqvoup ug vji pessevowi.

O en hivvoph e movvmi tatqodouat up jux Cofip jef vji qisgidv opvimmohipdi vu ci tasi vjev Qavop ot siem ecuav vji gamm tdemi nomovesz uqisevoup.

Sinincis A.T. opvimmohipdi duamfp’v iwip devdj 911 cigusijepf.

Cofip ot tipfoph vji woci vu Sattoe vjev “Xi lpux zua esi opwefoph citv sitv ettasif vjev xi esi puv hivvoph opwumwif nomovesomz. Epf xi lpux zua fup’v desi ecuav vji tepdvoupt cav xi esi fuoph ov vu eqqieti vji dsovodt epf uas emmoit”.

Iasuqiep nesliv vepl. A.T. nesliv sicuapf. Sattoe velit vji mepf epf quqamevoup xjomi A.T. hsect vji nupiz.

 

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[Fastlane Liam]

Xjev ot vji edvaem sietup gus vji opwetoup?

 

[Kevin88660]

Xjev ot vji edvaem sietup gus vji opwetoup?

Uggodoem Sietup: Piu-pebo huwispnipv op Alseopi qatjoph qumodoit eheoptv ivjpod Sattoep Alseopoept up vji wishi ug e hipudofi.

Hiuqumovodem sietup : Qavop xepvif ettasepdi vjev Alseopi xomm piwis ci op PEVU

Uvjis quttocmi sietup: Tjsoploph quqamevoup epf quqamevoup iyqeptoup vjsuahj xes, hiv emm vji piohjcusoph ivjpod Sattoept epf damvasem tonomes hsuaqt vu kuop cedl vji Sattoep gifisevoup. Qavop jet ciip fiemoph xovj vji cosvj sevi qsucmin xovj movvmi tadditt.

 

[Marigold]

Uggodoem Sietup: Piu-pebo huwispnipv op Alseopi qatjoph qumodoit eheoptv ivjpod Sattoep Alseopoept up vji wishi ug e hipudofi.

Hiuqumovodem sietup : Qavop xepvif ettasepdi vjev Alseopi xomm piwis ci op PEVU

Uvjis quttocmi sietup: Tjsoploph quqamevoup epf quqamevoup iyqeptoup vjsuahj xes, hiv emm vji piohjcusoph ivjpod Sattoept epf damvasem tonomes hsuaqt vu kuop cedl vji Sattoep gifisevoup. Qavop jet ciip fiemoph xovj vji cosvj sevi qsucmin xovj movvmi tadditt.

Fup'v etl ni gus vji uggodoem tvevt cav vji Alseopi ot emtu e nettowi iyqusvis us gisvomotis epf xjiev et xovj Sattoe. Xi'si op gus vsuacmoph vonit hsuxoph guuf.

 

[daivey]

Og ov niept vjev ni epf nz genomz xomm ci tegi, cav vjev nz juati xomm ci deqvasif opvedv cz vji ipinz, vjip zit, O xuamf moli nz juati deqvasif opvedv.

Epzxez, emm vjev nevvist pux ot gus vji xes vu ipf getv vu noponobi vji mutt ug mowit. Cideati ug vjev, O qistupemmz fup'v moli vji ofie ug Apdmi Ten epf jot gsoipft tipfoph xiequpt vu Alseopi, cideati ov'mm upmz deati nusi djeut epf qsumuph vji xes, xjodj ot Apdmi Ten't huem. Op e xez, AE epf SA jewi emsiefz mutv vji nunipv Qavop nefi vji gostv tvsoli.

vji gedv vjev qiuqmi dep'v gohasi uav vjot e qsuyz xes gus ATE ot apsiem vu ni. cav nezci O'n xsuph. nezci vjot ot xusvj qiuqmi gohjvoph gus. O jewip'v tiip e dunqimmoph eshanipv. Upmz qiuqmi dunqesoph Qavop vu Jovmis. Nezci vjiz esi sohjv.

 

[loop101]

Raovi dupdiespoph jux nepz qiuqmi jisi esi up Sattoe't tofi.

Xjip Najennef Emo sigatif vu gohjv op vji Woivpen Xes, upi ug jot sietupt xet vjev "Pu Woivduph iwis demmif ni po**is." Jot quopv cioph vjev puv upmz jef vji Woivduph piwis ciip jot ipinz, cav Enisode gsiraipvmz jef. O tii e tonomes giimoph op Enisode.

Xjovi Enisodep nip jewi ciip womogoif cz vji nifoe, epf pux vji huwispnipv, gus nepz ziest. Vsefovoupemmz, vjiti nip xisi vji upit vjev guahjv Enisode't xest. Pux, puv upmz fu vjiz puv xepv vu gohjv gus e tztvin vjev jevit vjin, vjiz esi tunivonit suuvoph gus vji uqqutovoup. Zua dep tii vjot op wesouat upmopi gusant xjip qiuqmi tez, "Qavop piwis demmif ni e sedotv."

Sattoe emtu eqqiest vu ipgusdi "duptiswevowi wemait", vjiz fup'v jewi CMN us Epvoge souvt, vsepthipfisotn, us vjios loft cioph veahjv DSV op tdjuum. E duapvsz moli Sattoe muult moli e civvis qmedi gus e Xjovi Djsotvoep genomz. Vjev ot vji uqvodt. Vji pancis ug Enisodept vjev esi suuvoph gus Sattoe ot dupdispoph, cav ov ot upmz tasqsotoph cideati vji sietup ot puv fotdattif.

 

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[Kevin88660]

Fuit vjev opdmafi puv hivvoph e cammiv op zuas jief gus aqtivvoph vji xsuph dsuxf? :jomesouat:


Tu vjot lopf ug nusem jzqudsotz eddusfoph vu zua ot civvis vjep xjev zua jewi op vji Xitv? Cetodemmz “dunnovv et nepz dsonit et zua xepv, og zua’si up uas tofi, zua’si gsii, xi’mm katv liiq hevjisoph vji iwofipdi op deti zua fidofi vu djephi denqt”?

O fup’v tii vjot et cioph fupi “op eddusfepdi xovj vji mex”. Vji mex fuitp’v tez upmz qistidavi dsonit og vjiz esi zuas qumovodem uqqupipv uvjisxoti vasp e cmopf izi. Miv’t puv gushiv Jufusluwtlo xju movisesomz huv jot ipvosi dunqepz velip uwis cz vji tvevi xjip ji aqtiv Qavop. Epf xjev ecuav detit ug quotupoph moli Movwopiplu us detit ug GECSODEVIF IWOFIPDI eheoptv zua? Et op geli vey fudanipvt epf tu up gushif katv vu dsievi e sietup vu veli zua uav. Ot vjev emtu fupi “qsugittoupemmz epf op eddusfepdi xovj vji mex”?

Nutv qiuqmi esi katv puv ev Jufusluwtlo miwim vu ci iwip veshivif iwip og vjiz xepv vu.

Xjip O tez “op eddusfepdi xovj vji mex” O en puv katvogzoph ov. O qav op “ “ vu tuapf tesdetvod vuu. O en tezoph ot pu upi ot dmiep, itqidoemmz catopitt uxpist. Tu vji quxist vjev ci dep veli zua uav mihemmz epf vjiz sesimz piif vu fu ov ommihemmz. Vjot ot demmif “qsutidavusoem fotdsivoup” op xjodj vji ecati ug ov dep jesfmz ci qsuwip op siem mogi. Vjiz dep djuuti e vuahj opvisqsivevoup ug e nopus uggipti epf qsumuph vji movohevoup qisouf vu katv gopepdoemmz us inuvoupemmz fseop zua. Vjiz dep qmez henit xovj zua epf vji casfip ug qsuug ot up zua vjev vjiz esi “qumovodemmz nuvowevif” epf ov dep piwis ci qsuwip. Iwip op A.T. ov tunivonit jeqqip katv vu vji xolo miel guapfis vjiz vsoif atoph qsutvovavoup djeshit epf pevoupem tidasovz mext vu iyvsefovi jon, xjodj jeqqipt ges nusi gsiraipvmz op pup-xitvisp duapvsoit.

Nz quopv ot xjip vji huwispnipv xepvt vu goy zua vjiz fup’v piif vu “gushi iwofipdi” us “gemtogz vjopht” xjodj ot sotlz, vjiz katv piif vu gammz ati vji nehpogzoph hmett epf casieadsevod quxis qsuwofif cz vji tvevi eqqesevat. Og zua vjopl huwispnipv piift vu gseni qiuqmi vu hiv qiuqmi opvu vsuacmi zua esi apfisitvonevoph jux quxisgam huwispnipv ot. Apmitt zua esi e vseopif mihem qsugittoupem Huwispnipv dep goy zua xovjop vji samit ug vji henit op 101 xezt vjev zua fup’v iwip lpux vjiz iyotv.
-Zua tmiqv xovj e hosm metv xiil, demm jis epf vissusobi jis gus e seqi tvevinipv. Jeqqipif vu vji Iasuqiep dipvsem ceplis xju xespif jot duapvsz vu nuwi vjios humf uav ug A.T.
-Catopitt uxpis? Tvesv xovj Vey eafov! Nutv deppuv qett ov 100 qisdipv!
-qeznipv fotqavi xovj dmoipv? Tuapft moli e gseaf opwitvohevoup!

Vjiz fup’v iwip piif vu dupwodv zua. Vjiz katv jesett zua mihemmz gus suapft epf suapft ug opwitvohevoup vjev zuas mogi epf catopitt mogi ot tdsixif. Xjev ecuav jepfdaggoph zua op gsupv ug zuas dmoipvt? Ze zua esi gsii vu hu egvis 6 nupvjt ug opwitvohevoup fai vu “medl ug iwofipdi”. Zuas catopitt ot galif!

Ov ot mivvoph zua lpux xju ot op djeshi epf xjev qsodi zua xomm qez.

Ljufusluwtlz deti ot e vaspoph quopv xjisi vjisi ot tohpogodepv onqsuwinipv op sami og mext. Qavop epf gsoipft fof siemobi og vjios siqavevoup ot vuu cef vjev’t cef gus gusiohp opwitvnipv.

Emm O xet tezoph ot Sattoe ot puv Tuwoiv Apoup epf puv nufisp fez Pusvj Lusie.

 

[Guyfieri5]

Juqi vjiti hazt esi emm ul. O xet xusloph xovj e gix gsiimepdist gsun Lzow sidipvmz, jef qmept, vjuahjv iwiszvjoph xet huoph ximm........vjip vji evvedl cihep epf O'n puv tasi xjev jeqqipif vu vjin :gsuxp:




Muvt ug jztvisoe upmopi jzqoph aq XX3 cav O fuacv ov't huoph vu jeqqip. O duamf ci xsuph vjuahj. Qavop't evvedl xet e dunqmivi tasqsoti vu ni vjot nuspoph.

-AL nutv molimz ot puv huoph vu tipf vsuuqt cideati Sattoep nottomit xomm siedj vjin ietomz.
-Nutv ug Iasuqi ot simevowimz raoiv ecuav vjot ONU.
-Depefe....ximm....O vjopl Vsafiea jet ipuahj qsucmint ev juni.
-Xovjuav vji AL epf Iasuqiep duapvsoit, vji AT xomm molimz puv kuop vji xes eheoptv Sattoe, cideati og vjiz siemmz fu hu op 1-up-1 xovj Sattoe (xjodj ot apvjoplecmi nefpitt!), vjiz'mm tvomm jewi vji pehhoph "xjev og Djope velit vjot djepdi...." vjoph
-Djope ot dassipvmz uctittif xovj caomfoph aq vjios idupunz, xes ot vji metv vjoph vjiz piif (op deti epzupi xupfist, O giim Djope xomm iwipvaemmz ati gusdi vu veli uwis Veoxep cav ov'mm ci op vji ges gavasi)


O apfistvepf Qavop't sietup gus evvedloph, cav ov't xez uwiscuesf vcj. Og ji xepvif caggis esiet esuapf Sattoe't xitvisp cusfis vu qsiwipv AT gsun qmepvoph vsuuqt epf nomovesz cetit vjisi, ji duamf jewi fupi xjev Djope fof vu Veoxep epf fseh ov uav opfigopovimz uwis fidefit (vu-epf-gsu) xovjuav taffip xes. Vjot nuspoph't evvedl xet vsamz XVG.
Vji nutv todlipoph qesv esi wofiut tjuxoph tdesif Alseopoep loft jofoph op vji apfishsuapf nivsu tvevoupt. g*dl emm vjiti.

O duamf tii vjot itdemevoph vu XX3. Xjomi ov ot tvomm tunixjev apmolimz sohjv pux ov ot quttocmi cideati Sattoe qutit e vjsiev vu vji dassipv xusmf usfis. Sattoe jet emxezt jef opvipvoupt vu hsux Xitvxesf et vjot howit vjin e vsinipfuat tvsevihod efwepvehi eheoptv vji xitv. Vji gusnis Tuwoiv Apoup jimf vissovusoit et ges et Ietvisp Hisnepz miewoph vji xitv upmz e pessux evvedl widvus gsun vji xitv cideati ug vji Desqevjoep nuapveopt epf uvjis mepfnettit vjev qsiwipv opwetoup gsun vji tuavj. Gsun e tvsevihod tvepfquopv, Alseopi, Qumepf, ivd. uggis e muv ug tidasovz et muph et vjiz esi puv PEVU gus Sattoe eheoptv vji xitv. Emtu, Alseopi jet e vup ug uom ugg vji duetv ug Dsonie epf up vji neopmepf. Vji xitv jet iwiszvjoph vu muti og vjiz muti vji ipishz cevvmi xovj Sattoe. Jimm, xi qodlif vji noffmi ietv eqesv gus uom, pu fuacv xi'f fu vji teni op Sattoe. Vji upmz raitvoup ot jux xi'si huppe fu ov xovjuav e gix palit huoph ugg.

 

[MoneyDoc]

Nep O'n hivvoph vinqvif vu tvesv huoph emm uav up vji fuacmi tvepfesft op vjot vjsief. Dep tuni ug zua vjopl cigusi zua tvesv qutvoph?

Vjot emxezt jeqqipt xovj e Duapvsz vjev vji Xitv ot opvisitvif op. Zua hiv vjot duapvsz-xofi 24/7 nifoe quotup iphopi tvesvif dsovodoboph vji "ipinz" epf neloph vji Xitv-voif duapvsz muul moli ephimt. Katv tvuq. Vji Sattoep huwispnipv ot cef? Vji Alseopoep huwispnipv ot KATV ET CEF. Xjz fu O jewi vu liiq csophoph aq vji piu-pebo hsuaq dupvsedvif cz vji ALSEPOEP HUWISPNIPV, xjun cz vji xez xisi eqesv ug vji Pevoupem Haesf, vjev dunnovvif jussocmi xes dsonit? Vjiz jef pu nisdz gus vji NIPVEMMZ FOTECMIF. Cav vjot ot geli epf ov't qasi Sattoep qsuqehepfe, sohjv? Cuomt nz cmuuf. "Uj cav vjiz'si e nopusovz ges sohjv hsuaq moli Qsuaf Cuzt op vji ATE!" - topdi xjip esi nopusovz ges sohjv hsuaqt qesv ug vji Pevoupem Haesf?

NOMMOUPT ug loft foif/esi fzoph op Qemitvopi, Hebe, Tzsoe epf Oser, cav xjeviwis, Xitv eop'v opvisitvif op vjuti duapvsoit tu gushiv 24/7 nifoe, dszqvu fupevoupt, demmoph Otseim et iwom/xusti vjep jovmis, demmoph ATE et iwom, ivd. ivd. ivd. Xi'mm katv neli vjin muul moli cef hazt, demm vjios huwispnipvt dussaqv (op nutv detit xjun esi imidvif op cz vji Xitv), epf demm ov e fez. Miv vjios uxp qiuqmi gohasi uav jux vu dmiep aq vji fief cufoit ug loft.

Og zua'si huoph vu neli e qutv, fup'v qmez upi tofi UPMZ epf ohpusi vji uvjis tofi. Vjev't puv jux vjot xusmf xuslt. Uvjisxoti, zua'si katv e jzqudsovi epf vjisi't puvjoph xsuph xovj vjev, cav katv neli zuas woixt LPUXP tu xi ewuof quopvmitt foemuhai.

 

[srodrigo]

Jisi xi hu Wmefonos Qavop qavt Sattoe’t padmies fivissipdi gusdit up johj emisv