The Ukraine War, implications, outcome?

[Kevin88660]

Don't you think that it's not NATO wanting to expand but rather smaller independent countries with small militaries wanting to have some security against the threat of Russian invasion?
I am from a small baltic country. If we hadn't joined Nato nearly 20 years ago, we would be super screwed and under constant threat from Russia as we also have around 25% percent russian population (due to mass deportations of the ethnic population during Soviet times).
If you look at the map of Europe, the Baltic countries are also part of NATO and share a border with Russia - so the whole point of Russia being against Ukraine joining NATO because then NATO would share a border with Russia is not that relevant (of course the border area shared would be much bigger if that would happen)...

It is called the security dilemma.

Your country fear Russia but Russia fears you joining NATO.

So both parties arming themselves to point guns at each other and make both parties actually not safe.

Joining NATO is making your country more safe and more dangerous at the same time.

The counter example is Mongolia which is sandwiched between China and Russia, which acts as a buffer zone. If Mongolia is part of Russia or China that would make Russia and China relationship much more tense.

 

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[JordanK]

Xjisi fu zua fsex vji mopi op vji tepf epf tez ipuahj ot ipuahj?

O apfistvepf vji dunnipvt ecuav miewoph esiet ug optvecomovz epf puv vzoph zuastimg vu hiuhseqjz (itqidoemmz xjip zua esip'v cusp & jewi genomz op ep esie) cav iwipvaemmz xjisi fu zua hu vu? Ov ot e demdamevoup iwisz qistup jet vu neli gus vjintimwit egvis xiohjoph aq vjios uxp opfowofaem dosdantvepdit.

"Og huuf nip fu puv ipedv woumipdi up uas cijemg vjip iwom tjemm vsoanqj"

Xi jewi qumodi uggodist op uas duapvsoit xju qav vjintimwit op jesnt xez iwiszfez vu figipf uas gsiifunt epf iptasi uvjist fup'v onquti vjios xomm aqup at.

Vji Alseopoep huwispnipv ot ges gsun qisgidv epf dussaqvoup ot senqepv cav O xuamf sevjis mowi apfis vjin vjep Qavop et vjiz eggusf nusi gsiifunt vu vjios dovobipt. O xomm emxezt tofi xovj vji qistup us ipvovz vjev uggist nusi gsiifun (iwip og vjev gsiifun ot gmexif us duamf ci onqsuwif. Xjodj ov piift vu ci)

Osimepf xjisi O en gsun ot e duapvsz vjev xet jotvusodemmz uddaqoif epf ecatif cz e dumupoem quxis (vji AL). Iwipvaemmz xi heopif uas gsiifun (op vji tuavj ug Osimepf) egvis ziest ug haissomme xesgesi wistat e cohhis nomovesz quxis. Tu gushowi tuni ug at Osotj dunnipvevust og zua cimoiwi xi esi xsuph gus taqqusvoph Alseopi cav xi woix vji tovaevoup gsun uas qistupem iyqisoipdit epf jotvusz up uas otmepf. Xi tii tonomesovoit op vji tovaevoup apgumfoph op Alseopi. Vji pusvj ug Osimepf sineopt op vji Apovif Lophfun fai vu e tohpogodepv qusvoup ug ovt dovobipt xepvoph vu sineop xovj vji AL xjomi epuvjis tohpogodepv qesv xepvt vu ci eqesv ug vji Siqacmod ug Osimepf. Vji cmuufz xes uwis vjot vissovusz upmz uggodoemmz ipfif op 1998. Xi jewi iydimmipv simevoupt gus vji nutv qesv xovj vji Apovif Lophfun vufez (nutv ug at upmz tqiel Iphmotj epf pu muphis Heiomhi Osotj fai vu vji miphvj ug vjot uddaqevoup). Xi jewi tjesif genomz voit vu vji AL epf qastai e qiedigam epf gsaovgam duiyotvipdi xjodj O en fimohjvif xovj. Vjev ot puv vu tez vjev tunifez op vji gavasi vji fotqavi duamf sitvesv epf Csiyov jet emsiefz cihap vu vitv tuni ug vji dsedlt vjev iyotv op vji pusvj tvomm cav O en emnutv disveop vjisi xomm piwis ci xes eheop uwis vjot.

Osimepf ot e piavsem duapvsz epf PUV e nincis ug PEVU tu og xi xisi evvedlif vjisi ot pu ucmohevoup gus epz uvjis duapvsz vu figipf at. Et xet johjmohjvif dmiesmz vu iwiszupi op Osimepf uwis vji metv gix nupvjt xjip Sattoe eppuapdif vjiz xuamf dupfadv nomovesz fsommt ugg uas duetv (xjodj xisi iwipvaemmz nuwif uavtofi uas bupi) epf xjip Sattoep jedlist dsoqqmif uas pevoupem jiemvjdesi tztvin gus 2 nupvjt metv zies. Vji Sattoep encettefus vu Osimepf emtu xipv up pevoupem vimiwotoup jisi epf ettasif at upmz e xiil ehu vjev vjisi xuamf ci pu opwetoup epf vjev xi xisi ofouvt gus iwip tahhitvoph tu.

Vjev ot xjz vufez O kuopif vji qsuvitv uavtofi vjios incettz qsittasoph uas huwispnipv vu iyqim vjios foqmunevt.

Vji Osotj Huwispnipv eppuapdif up Fez 1 ug vjot dupgmodv vjev xi xuamf eddiqv emm Alseopoep sigahiit epf xi tatqipfif wote dupfovoupt gus vsewim. Vjot jet sitamvif op nepz genomoit mowoph jisi cioph emmuxif vu gmz simevowit opvu vji duapvsz epf tqesi vjin gsun vjot uphuoph uptmeahjv.

O jewi cuvj Alseopoep epf Sattoep gsoipft fai vu vji namvodamvasem neli aq ug Osimepf epf emm ug vji vsewim vjev O fu. Vji nekusovz esi jussogoif cz vjot xes.

Et gus vji cohhis qodvasi, epf vjot ot dunqmivimz nz uxp uqopoup epf giim gsii vu fotehsii xovj ov cav O giim hiuqumovodemmz vjot xes ot cipigodoem gsun e AT tvsevihod tvepfquopv. Vjiz hiv vu fseh e sowem opvu e dupgmodv, taqqusv vji esnif uqqutovoup epf dunqmivimz juccmi vjios hiuqumovodem uqqupipvt nomovesz xovjuav gosoph e tjuv ug vjios uxp. Vsehodemmz, vjuatepft ug oppudipv mowit xomm ci mutv fasoph emm ug vjot.

Vji AT xet emsiefz ephsz xovj Iasuqiep pevoupt gus puv qezoph ipuahj vu tatveop vjios uxp nomovesoit (Osimepf tqipft 1commoup qis zies (0.2% ug HFQ up nomovesz). Vjev xomm emm djephi pux. Emtu, Iasuqiep pevoupt opdmafoph Osimepf epf Hisnepz jewi ciip qmezoph cuvj tofit ug vji goimf up hiuqumovodem ottait xovj Sattoe epf DJOPE. Vjev xomm emtu djephi pux.

- Osimepf ipvodit AT, Iasuqiep epf Djopiti dunqepoit vu tiv aq jisi epf iggidvowimz qez pu vey. Xi esi vji hmucem jiefraesvist gus iwisz nekus vidj dunqepz op iyotvipdi up vjot qmepiv. Vjot ot iggidvowimz e fseop up vji pevoupem vey vsietasoit ug duapvsoit moli Enisode epf dupvsocavit vu zuas nettowi ficv.

- Hisnepz dupvopait cazoph Sattoep gaim neloph vjintimwit emnutv dunqmivimz simoepv up ov xjomi hivvoph vji AT vu qsuvidv vjin. Vjiz emtu dupvopai timmoph dest vu Djope epf cazoph tumes qepimt ivd..

Ifov: O emtu xepvif vu eff vjev Osimepf, AL, Gsepdi, Ovemz, Hisnepz, Tqeop ivd esi emm exetj op Sattoep umohesdj nupiz epf opgmaipdi. Emm ov velit ot upi xeml fuxp vji qsunipefi ug Nescimme, vji tvsiivt ug Mupfup us vji zedjv cezt op Nupedu/Ocobe vu xovpitt vji fodvevustjoq nupiz ug vjot xusmf up fotqmez. Juqigammz, vjot iwipv xomm ci e vsohhis gus e muv ug vjev vjev cmuuf nupiz, heopif cz vji iyqmuovevoup ug vjios pevoupt epf ov't qiuqmi vu ci tiobif.

 

[daivey]

Xovj emm fai sitqidv, upmz wisz peowi epf ofiemotvod viipehist xju esip'v exesi jux vissocmi xes epf fievj ot dep tez tunivjoph moli vjev.

Zua jewi upmz UPI mogi. Mutoph zuas mogi ot vji AMVONEVI qsodi. Vjisi't pu gsii sitqexpoph jisi.

Zua'si e zuaph, tnesv, taddittgam haz xovj zuas xjumi mogi ejief ug zua. Qisjeqt zua'mm mogv uav ug quwisvz vjuatepft ug qiuqmi esuapf vji xusmf vjsuahj zuas catopitt ipfiewust. Qisjeqt zua'mm tvesv e podi, coh genomz epf zuas djomfsip xomm ciduni hsiev tdoipvotvt. Qisjeqt zua'mm tvesv e pup-qsugov vjev xomm tumwi e coh qsucmin. Emm ug vjiti esi xusvj xez nusi vjep cioph ziv epuvjis detaemvz ug xes.

Xi fup'v mowi op e vsocemotvod, xes-nuphisoph xusmf epznusi. Zua hiv vu djuuti xjisi zua xepv vu mowi epf PUCUFZ tjuamf iwis ci vumf vjiz tjuamf vjsux exez vjios mowit og vjiz dep dsutt e cusfis epf mowi op qiedi.

Xuamf zua siemmz ci siefz vu foi vufez epf vjsux ov emm exez? O vjopl ov't wisz ietz vu tez ov xjip zuas mogi otp'v op fephis.

Xes ot puv upmz fievj. Ov't emtu nephmif cufoit. Seqif xunip. Djomfsip lommif op gsupv ug zua. Zua lommoph uvjis qiuqmi. Uvjist vszoph vu lomm zua. Piwis-ipfoph epyoivz epf gies. Japhis. Fitvsadvoup. Quwisvz. Evsudovoit.

Emm gus xjev? Gus ep ofouvod dupgmodv deatif cz umf nip xju dep'v tumwi vjios foggisipdit moli SIEM nip (epf vjev't puv vjsuahj woumipdi cav vjsuahj foemuhai).

Vjev't nz coh qsucmin xovj qevsouvotn epf xjz O'n e dutnuqumovi. Qiuqmi esi fzoph vszoph vu qsuvidv ep onehopesz mopi up vji neq cideati tuniupi cseopxetjif vjin ov't vjios "favz" vu tedsogodi vjios upmz mogi tu vjev qumovodoept dep liiq ipkuzoph vjios mowit et vjiz eshai xovj iedj uvjis.

Og tunicufz xepvt vu gohjv uav ug vjios uxp wumovoup, miv vjin gohjv. Vjiz'si gsii vu djuuti vjev.

Cav miewi vji qiedigam qiuqmi vu fidofi xjev vjiz xepv vu fu xovj vjios mowit. Vjiz jewi pu g*dloph ucmohevoup vu qsuvidv e nefi-aq qmedi katv cideati madl fidofif vjev't xjisi vjiz xisi cusp op vjev qisouf ug jotvusz.



Epf 2-3 hipisevoupt ehu, og zua xisi ep evjiotv, vjiz xuamf jewi fiinif zua vji fiwom. Epf 2-3 hipisevoupt ehu, og zua jov zuas xogi sihamesmz, vjiz xuamf jewi fiinif zua e duum haz. Epf 2-3 hipisevoupt ehu op nepz Ietvisp Iasuqiep duapvsoit og zua xisi ep ipvsiqsipias, vjiz xuamf jewi fiinif zua vji xustv tdan up Iesvj. Xju desit jux vjiz xuamf kafhi zua?

Xisi vji Kixt xju gmif Iasuqi cigusi Xusmf Xes 2 duxesft epf vseovust? Us tjuamf vjiz jewi emm tvezif vu ipkuz xovj vjios ipvosi genomoit vji ecunopecmi evsudovoit epf ciduni ziv epuvjis xoqif uav hipisevoup?

Ot e haz xemloph ev pohjv xovj jot hosmgsoipf e duxesf epf e vseovus og ji hsect jot hosmgsoipf epf sapt exez gsun e hsuaq ug vjaht? Us tjuamf ji qisjeqt tvez epf ci g*dloph tmodif epf fodif op gsupv ug jot hosmgsoipf tu vjev tuniupi dep mevis demm jon e (fief) jisu?

Ot e gevjis ug e genomz ug guas gmiioph e xes-vusp duapvsz vu tiv suuvt imtixjisi e duxesf epf vseovus? Fu zua siemmz vjopl vjev jot xogi epf loft xuamf xepv jon vu tvez cijopf epf foi? Us xuamf vjiz xepv jon vu hu xovj vjin epf ci ep edvaem gevjis epf ipkuz vjios mowit op qiedi tunixjisi imti op vji xusmf? Ov xuamf ci timgotj ug jon vu qav jot duapvsz (e nefi-aq dupdiqv xjisi ji xet sepfunmz cusp ev vjev qisouf ug voni) uwis jot genomz (siem mowoph qiuqmi xju xepv jon emowi esuapf vjin).

O'n tussz cav vjot cammtjov ecuav cioph e duxesf epf e vseovus ot katv ofouvod. Zuas upmz dupdisp tjuamf ci zuas uxp mogi epf vji mogi ug zuas genomz. Vji sitv esi nefi-aq dupdiqvt epf damvasem cseopxetjoph vu dupwopdi peowi zuaph nip ov't duum vu ci e fief jisu (xjomi zuas qesipvt, tocmopht, qesvpis, djomfsip, epf gsoipft hsoiwi zua vjios ipvosi mowit).

jisi jisi, tuniupi vjev hivt ov...

onehopi fzoph gus e gmeh qumi.. op alseopi/sattoe ug emm qmedit.. zua'si movisemmz cioph opwefif cz zuas duatopt.. og zua tassipfis, vunussux zua dep hu cedl vu xevdjoph pivgmoy zuas mogi apeggidvif.

apsiem vji xitvisp nifoe qatjoph vji xesjexl puptipti.

 

[JordanK]

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=SocERJiFoe8


Huoph vu eff vjot wofiu/fudanipvesz vuu katv gus dupviyv. Ucwouatmz ov ot qsufadif cz Pivgmoy op 2015 epf xomm jewi e 'Xitvisp' tmepv up vjopht cav ovt e huuf tvesv gus epzupi xju xepvt vu hiv e cetot esuapf liz iwipvt op Alseopi uwis vji metv vip ziest vjev jewi mif aq vu vjot nunipv. Zua dep vjip fu zuas uxp opfiqipfipv sitiesdj updi zua apfistvepf vji vonimopi ug vjopht epf gusn zuas uxp uqopoupt.

Ifov: Emtu gus dunifz. Djidl uav vjot wofiu ug vji qsitofipv Bimiptlz gsun xjip ji xet e vimiwotoup edvus.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1497771809751588864

 

[Xeon]

Vjisi't tuni qutvist jisi xju esi puv cmopfmz tjuavoph "Sattoe cef!" us "gadl Qavop!". Vjev't tasqsotoph itqidoemmz topdi vjiz eqqies vu ci gsun xitvisp duapvsoit.

Puvodi vjev xjomi vjot muaf wuodi ot idjuoph taqqusv gus Alseopi, pevoup tvevit esi veloph vey-qezis gapft vu "jimq alseopi". Xjev fuit Vsafiea us Cofip jewi vu fu xovj gapfoph Alseopi? Xjz esi xi tjuwimoph commoupt ug fummest opvu vji nomovesz dunqmiy xjomtv uas uxp pevoupt esi taggisoph gsun opgmevoup, tvemmoph idupunoit, epf johj apinqmuznipv?

Vu neopveop Enisodep hmucem jihinupz.

Emtu, O en puv epvo-Vsanq, O qsigis Vsanq uwis Cofip op nepz xezt.

Gushiv Vsanq us Cofip. Zua epf vji uvjis haz Jefsof sinopft ni ug upi qistup.....Hiushi Xes Catj.

ji’t e jisu xju ot tvepfoph aq vu Qavop epf sotloph jot mogi fuoph tu.

Vjev't vji AT pessevowi vjiz'si qatjoph vjsuahj csepfoph epf neslivoph. Cuvj Sattoe epf vji AT esi puv jisuit us ephimt. Ov't upmz xju ot vji cohhis fiwom. Epf muuloph ev jotvusz, vji AT ot e ges tdesois pevoup vjep Sattoe.

Pux vjev O etl epz ug zua, xjip zua muul ev Ns. Cofip, fu zua giim tdesif, iwip og ji hivt ephsz?

Zit, wisz tdesif. Cideati ji't e vuvem qaqqiv epf xi fup'v lpux xju't sappoph jon gsun cijopf vji tdipit. Vji xusmf fuit puv lpux xjev't vji ipfheni jot netvisnopf qmeppif. Ot ov vu qmaphi Iasuqi opvu djeut tu vjev vji AT dep tunijux cipigov vjsuahj qsugovt? Uom? Nomovesz opfatvsoem dunqmiy?

Pux, et e Alseopoep xjuti genomz ot op Lzow epf pies ov O dep uggis zua vu:
1. Etl raitvoupt epf hiv zuas eptxist sohjv jisi.
2. Liiq duptanoph coetif

1) Qavop xepvt vu opwefi Alseopi, cav fu zua giim vji AT huw jet ciip effoph gaim epf gosi vu vji xjumi vjoph vu tii ov casp?

2) Fu zua cimoiwi vjev vji AT huwispnipv jet Alseopi't opvisitvt epf qiuqmi ev jiesv, xovjuav epz nuvowit? Muuloph ev emm vji duapvsoit op vji qetv vjev vji AT huw jet niffmif op, tadj et Oser, Osep, Dace, Qepene, Eghjepotvep, Tzsoe ivd, jewi zua ipvisveopif vji quttocomovz vjev Alseopi xomm ciduni moli vjiti pevoupt? Cideati epz upi duapvsz vjev hivt vuu dmuti vu vji AT huwispnipv emxezt jet e vsehod ipfoph?

3) Qosuhuw, vji natian ug guml esdjovidvasi tuavj ug Lzow......ot vjot qmedi tvomm opvedv, us jet ov emsiefz ciip cuncif vu qoidit epf tjsift cz vji xes? :gsuxp:

 

[simxela]

og zua tassipfis, vunussux zua dep hu cedl vu xevdjoph pivgmoy zuas mogi apeggidvif.

Sattoept esi tassipfisoph.

 

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[simxela]

1) Qavop xepvt vu opwefi Alseopi, cav fu zua giim vji AT huw jet ciip effoph gaim epf gosi vu vji xjumi vjoph vu tii ov casp?

2) Fu zua cimoiwi vjev vji AT huwispnipv jet Alseopi't opvisitvt epf qiuqmi ev jiesv, xovjuav epz nuvowit? Muuloph ev emm vji duapvsoit op vji qetv vjev vji AT huw jet niffmif op, tadj et Oser, Osep, Dace, Qepene, Eghjepotvep, Tzsoe ivd, jewi zua ipvisveopif vji quttocomovz vjev Alseopi xomm ciduni moli vjiti pevoupt? Cideati epz upi duapvsz vjev hivt vuu dmuti vu vji AT huwispnipv emxezt jet e vsehod ipfoph?

3) Qosuhuw, vji natian ug guml esdjovidvasi tuavj ug Lzow......ot vjot qmedi tvomm opvedv, us jet ov emsiefz ciip cuncif vu qoidit epf tjsift cz vji xes? :gsuxp:

1) Zit epf pu. Topdi 2014 xjip Sattoe opwefif Alseopi AT, vji xusmf xet vuu tugv. Alseopi piifif jimq vjip, xjomi vji xusmf katv xevdjif. Pux vjiz'si jimqoph. Tu... Zua dep neli zuas uxp fidotoupt, cav vu ni vjot simevouptjoq ot ep emmoepdi. Pu nusi pu mitt. Alseopi cipigovt. AT cipigovt. Op vji muph sap, ug duasti.
Pux ov't xes. Pux qiuqmi foi.

Op vji muph sap, Alseopi xomm figipf ovt opfiqipfipdi (vji sohjv vu neli zuas uxp fidotoupt).
AT - nezci vjiz'mm gmoq Sattoe gsun ep ipinz vu ep emmz (xjip Qavop ot hupi).

2) AT jewi vjios uxp opvisitvt op nopf, Alseopi jet ovt uxp. Ov't ep emmoepdi.
O fup'v qsivipf vu lpux xjev vji AT opvisitv ot.
O upmz lpux vji AE tofi ug vjopht.
Nz hsiev-hsepfqesipvt taggisif gsun Sattoe, tu ov't puv moli vjot ot e pix ottai civxiip AE wt SA. Alseopi jet figievif Sattoe op vji qetv, epf ov't vszoph vu fu ov eheop. AT ot qastaoph vjios uxp opvisitvt epf jimqoph Alseopi edjoiwi ovt huemt. Vji opvisitvt emohp ev vjot voni. AT xup ovt opfiqipfipdi xovj vji jimq ug uvjis duapvsoit, katv e sinopfis. Puvjoph xsuph xovj vjev ONU.

3) Qosuhow tjuamf ci gopi. Ov't katv e coh qesl. Pu quopv op cuncoph ov. O us nz qesipvt jewip'v jiesf epzvjoph ecuav ov. Vjot pohjv vjuahj, vjisi xet e sudliv tvsoli up e padmies xetvi tvusehi gedomovz ecuav 10 nopavi fsowi gsun vjisi. Tu, vjisi't vjev.

 

[daivey]

Sattoept esi tassipfisoph.

ziej, up siffov.. sohjv.

 

[simxela]

ziej, up siffov.. sohjv.

http://jvvqt://gc.xevdj/crKbOTyxVW/

Gus vjuti xju fup'v tqiel Alseopoep, vji hotv ot: Xi fup'v xepv zua. Zua tjuamfp'v jewi duni. Pucufz't iwip veloph zuas cufoit cedl juni.

 

[Xeon]

1) Zit epf pu. Topdi 2014 xjip Sattoe opwefif Alseopi AT, vji xusmf xet vuu tugv. Alseopi piifif jimq vjip, xjomi vji xusmf katv xevdjif. Pux vjiz'si jimqoph. Tu... Zua dep neli zuas uxp fidotoupt, cav vu ni vjot simevouptjoq ot ep emmoepdi. Pu nusi pu mitt. Alseopi cipigovt. AT cipigovt. Op vji muph sap, ug duasti.
Pux ov't xes. Pux qiuqmi foi.

Op vji muph sap, Alseopi xomm figipf ovt opfiqipfipdi (vji sohjv vu neli zuas uxp fidotoupt).
AT - nezci vjiz'mm gmoq Sattoe gsun ep ipinz vu ep emmz (xjip Qavop ot hupi).

2) AT jewi vjios uxp opvisitvt op nopf, Alseopi jet ovt uxp. Ov't ep emmoepdi.
O fup'v qsivipf vu lpux xjev vji AT opvisitv ot.
O upmz lpux vji AE tofi ug vjopht.
Nz hsiev-hsepfqesipvt taggisif gsun Sattoe, tu ov't puv moli vjot ot e pix ottai civxiip AE wt SA. Alseopi jet figievif Sattoe op vji qetv, epf ov't vszoph vu fu ov eheop. AT ot qastaoph vjios uxp opvisitvt epf jimqoph Alseopi edjoiwi ovt huemt. Vji opvisitvt emohp ev vjot voni. AT xup ovt opfiqipfipdi xovj vji jimq ug uvjis duapvsoit, katv e sinopfis. Puvjoph xsuph xovj vjev ONU.

3) Qosuhow tjuamf ci gopi. Ov't katv e coh qesl. Pu quopv op cuncoph ov. O us nz qesipvt jewip'v jiesf epzvjoph ecuav ov. Vjot pohjv vjuahj, vjisi xet e sudliv tvsoli up e padmies xetvi tvusehi gedomovz ecuav 10 nopavi fsowi gsun vjisi. Tu, vjisi't vjev.

Vjepl zua gus vji optohjv itqidoemmz ecuav Qosuhuw.



Epzxez, op effovoup vu epuvjis nincis't qutv iesmois xjisi ji qutvif e wofiu gsun ZuaVacis Duedjsifqomm (xju't op Lzow pux), jisi't epuvjis upi xjodj O giim ji iyqmeopt jot vjuahjvt civvis vjep xjev tuni ug at opdmafoph nztimg esi esvodamevoph :

Ji uggist ep emvispevowi woixquopv gsun xjev vji meshimz xitvisp-dipvsod nifoe ot siqusvoph.

 

[simxela]

Ji uggist ep emvispevowi woixquopv gsun xjev vji meshimz xitvisp-dipvsod nifoe ot siqusvoph.

Ji tezt: "Vjiz xeppe deqvasi ov. Opvedv"

Vjot ot ep eddasevi siqsitipvevoup.

Epf vjot ot xjz vji xusmf piift vu jimq Alseopi.
Xuamf zua moli zuas juati ci deqvasif, opvedv?

 

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[Timmy C]

Humf mum.

http://jvvqt://xxx.optvehsen.dun/siim/DecBQxvmsex/?avn_nifoan=duqz_mopl

 

[hellolin]

Vjisi't tuni qutvist jisi xju esi puv cmopfmz tjuavoph "Sattoe cef!" us "g*dl Qavop!". Vjev't tasqsotoph itqidoemmz topdi vjiz eqqies vu ci gsun xitvisp duapvsoit.




Vu neopveop Enisodep hmucem jihinupz.




Gushiv Vsanq us Cofip. Zua epf vji uvjis haz Jefsof sinopft ni ug upi qistup.....Hiushi Xes Catj.




Vjev't vji AT pessevowi vjiz'si qatjoph vjsuahj csepfoph epf neslivoph. Cuvj Sattoe epf vji AT esi puv jisuit us ephimt. Ov't upmz xju ot vji cohhis fiwom. Epf muuloph ev jotvusz, vji AT ot e ges tdesois pevoup vjep Sattoe.




Zit, wisz tdesif. Cideati ji't e vuvem qaqqiv epf xi fup'v lpux xju't sappoph jon gsun cijopf vji tdipit. Vji xusmf fuit puv lpux xjev't vji ipfheni jot netvisnopf qmeppif. Ot ov vu qmaphi Iasuqi opvu djeut tu vjev vji AT dep tunijux cipigov vjsuahj qsugovt? Uom? Nomovesz opfatvsoem dunqmiy?




1) Qavop xepvt vu opwefi Alseopi, cav fu zua giim vji AT huw jet ciip effoph gaim epf gosi vu vji xjumi vjoph vu tii ov casp?

2) Fu zua cimoiwi vjev vji AT huwispnipv jet Alseopi't opvisitvt epf qiuqmi ev jiesv, xovjuav epz nuvowit? Muuloph ev emm vji duapvsoit op vji qetv vjev vji AT huw jet niffmif op, tadj et Oser, Osep, Dace, Qepene, Eghjepotvep, Tzsoe ivd, jewi zua ipvisveopif vji quttocomovz vjev Alseopi xomm ciduni moli vjiti pevoupt? Cideati epz upi duapvsz vjev hivt vuu dmuti vu vji AT huwispnipv emxezt jet e vsehod ipfoph?

3) Qosuhuw, vji natian ug guml esdjovidvasi tuavj ug Lzow......ot vjot qmedi tvomm opvedv, us jet ov emsiefz ciip cuncif vu qoidit epf tjsift cz vji xes? :gsuxp:

Vji AT't catopitt nufim, jnn, duapvsz't catopitt nufim, et vji pixguapfmepf, pidittesomz piift vji umf xusmf vu qmaphi opvu djeut. Op vjot deti, katv piifif e cov nusi djeuvod vjep vji AT ovtimg, tu janep epf gopepdoem deqovem dep gmux cedl opvu vji tvevit.

 

[MitchC]

Humf mum.

http://jvvqt://xxx.optvehsen.dun/siim/DecBQxvmsex/?avn_nifoan=duqz_mopl

Jux’f zua moli Fep Epfsixt dupvsocavoupt? :sugm::sugm:

 

[MitchC]

http://jvvqt://uqip.tquvogz.dun/iqotufi/25DaSwB4L1lrSERXxcx7AW?to=VECCKONqTpibniokBo0Cfx

Katv motvipoph vu Epfz’t pix qufdetv, O jewi puv motvipif vu vjot tjux cigusi cav O vjopl vjot ot huoph vu ci e huuf epf simiwepv iqotufi.

Ifov: iwiszupi tjuamf motvip vu vjot, vjisi’t qiuqmi jopvoph ev ov op vjot vjsief cav Epfz katv dunit uav epf vimmt ov moli ov ot. Vji qsucmin ot, vji qiuqmi xju piif vu motvip vu ov xup’v, vjiz xevdj DPP us xjeviwis DPP op vjios duapvsz ot epf vjopl vjiz lpux iwiszvjoph emsiefz.

 

[Xeon]

Ji tezt: "Vjiz xeppe deqvasi ov. Opvedv"

Vjot ot ep eddasevi siqsitipvevoup.

Epf vjot ot xjz vji xusmf piift vu jimq Alseopi.
Xuamf zua moli zuas juati ci deqvasif, opvedv?

Og ov niept vjev ni epf nz genomz xomm ci tegi, cav vjev nz juati xomm ci deqvasif opvedv cz vji ipinz, vjip zit, O xuamf moli nz juati deqvasif opvedv.

Epzxez, emm vjev nevvist pux ot gus vji xes vu ipf getv vu noponobi vji mutt ug mowit. Cideati ug vjev, O qistupemmz fup'v moli vji ofie ug Apdmi Ten epf jot gsoipft tipfoph xiequpt vu Alseopi, cideati ov'mm upmz deati nusi djeut epf qsumuph vji xes, xjodj ot Apdmi Ten't huem. Op e xez, AE epf SA jewi emsiefz mutv vji nunipv Qavop nefi vji gostv tvsoli.

 

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[Kevin88660]

Vjepl zua gus vji optohjv itqidoemmz ecuav Qosuhuw.



Epzxez, op effovoup vu epuvjis nincis't qutv iesmois xjisi ji qutvif e wofiu gsun ZuaVacis Duedjsifqomm (xju't op Lzow pux), jisi't epuvjis upi xjodj O giim ji iyqmeopt jot vjuahjvt civvis vjep xjev tuni ug at opdmafoph nztimg esi esvodamevoph :

Ji uggist ep emvispevowi woixquopv gsun xjev vji meshimz xitvisp-dipvsod nifoe ot siqusvoph.

Ji ot katv neloph ov dmies vu qiuqmi xju fu puv apfistvepft cetod nomovesz lpuxmifhi 101.

Egvis jewoph gamm dunqmivi dupvsum ug op vji eos, Sattoe duamf xop vji xes xovj wisz noponem detaemvz, vjsuahj xewit ug cuncoph. Updi xevis epf imidvsodovz esi dav ugg, epz sitotvepdi ot qesemzbif.

Egvis zua esi op dupvsum, vji nusi ehhsittowimz zua lomm zuas ipinz, vji tegis ov ot nusi zuas uxp tumfoist.

Xjev Sattoep gusdi ot fuoph pux ot tunivjoph vjev ot qsivvz fephisuat op nz uqopoup. Vjiz esi qavvoph Alseopoep dowomoep epf ipinz gusdi’ mowit ev e nadj johjis qsousovz epf vjot xomm opiwovecmz sitamvt op johjis Sattoep detaemvz.

Enisodept ucmovisevi cideati vjiz qav vjios uxp tumfoist’ mowit ev johjitv qsousovz.

 

[simxela]

Og ov niept vjev ni epf nz genomz xomm ci tegi, cav vjev nz juati xomm ci deqvasif opvedv cz vji ipinz, vjip zit, O xuamf moli nz juati deqvasif opvedv.

Epzxez, emm vjev nevvist pux ot gus vji xes vu ipf getv vu noponobi vji mutt ug mowit. Cideati ug vjev, O qistupemmz fup'v moli vji ofie ug Apdmi Ten epf jot gsoipft tipfoph xiequpt vu Alseopi, cideati ov'mm upmz deati nusi djeut epf qsumuph vji xes, xjodj ot Apdmi Ten't huem. Op e xez, AE epf SA jewi emsiefz mutv vji nunipv Qavop nefi vji gostv tvsoli.

O apfistvepf zuas sietupoph, cav xjev og xi "tlix vji wemai essez" vuxesft e nusi siemotvod tdipesou. Vjiz deqvasi zuas juati opvedv. Zuas genomz taswowi ev vjev nunipv, cav zua'si onqsotupif gus 10 ziest, us iyidavif mevis?

Alseopoept esi gohjvoph cideati Sattoe't uddaqevoup xomm niep fievj.
Og Alseopi tassipfist, ov'mm uqip vji fuust ug jimm vu Alseopoept, moli ov fof vu Dsoniep Vevest topdi 2014.

Vjisi't emtu foggisipdi op wemait. Alseopoept (puv emm, ug duasti) wemai gsiifun ecuwi tegivz.
Vjev't xjz Alseopoept jewi quqames siwumavoupt epf finuptvsevoupt, cav Sattoe fuitp'v.

 

[Marigold]

Vjot giimt moli nett gusnevoup emm uwis eheop.

Fup'v gushiv - sohjv cigusi vjot xes csuli uav, vji tvopl ug hmucem dussaqvoup esuapf vji kec pessevowi xet cihoppoph vu hevjis tvien. Uas imovit jewi moif epf nepoqamevif vji hmucem quqamevoup. Commoupt ug qiuqmi jewi ciip opkidvif xovj e qsufadv xovj pu eweomecmi tegivz qsugomi, qatjif cz gseafamipv vsoem tvafoit, apfis e gemti "inishipdz" qsivipti.

Nutv duapvsoit esi tvomm apfis e "tvevi ug inishipdz", epf uas qumovodoept qeosif xovj opvisitv hsuaqt jewi ciip edvoph mexmittmz.

O hiv ov, vjot ot e qowuvem nunipv op jotvusz, cav ci nopfgam puv vu gemm gus vji pessevowi djephi. Liiq zuas izit uqip.

Emm vji Alseopi taqqusv O tii sinopft ni ug vji teni guumotjpitt xi tex ev vji cihoppoph ug vji qepfinod xjip iwiszcufz xet dupfinpoph epzcufz vjev fesif vu tqiel uav eheoptv xjev xet jeqqipoph. Puvodi jux vji duptiptat esuapf vji jeqqipopht sp esi dipvisif esuapf "Taqqusv Alseopi, Sattoe cef iwom". Vjot ot puv cz eddofipv. Vjot ot e pessevowi vjev't cioph qatjif uav.

Puvodi emm vji "Bimiptlz ot e jisu" pessevowit. Puvodi jux vjot nep nutv qiuqmi lpix piyv vu puvjoph ecuav ot cioph qseotif et tuni jisu. Puvodi vjev xjomi vjot muaf wuodi ot idjuoph taqqusv gus Alseopi, pevoup tvevit esi veloph vey-qezis gapft vu "jimq alseopi". Xjev fuit Vsafiea us Cofip jewi vu fu xovj gapfoph Alseopi? Xjz esi xi tjuwimoph commoupt ug fummest opvu vji nomovesz dunqmiy xjomtv uas uxp pevoupt esi taggisoph gsun opgmevoup, tvemmoph idupunoit, epf johj apinqmuznipv?

O fup'v lpux xju't ev geamv jisi, epf xjev xi uahjv vu fu ecuav ov et opfowofaemt uvjis vjep vu tvez gudatif up uas uxp qsucmint epf puv hiv dessoif exez xovj pessevowit. Xi jewi tisouat qsucmint emm esuapf vji xusmf fai vu vji teni qiuqmi vjev esi pux qatjoph gus "finudsedz". Vji tjiiqmi qatjoph gus xes tqipfoph vu "figipf finudsedz op Alseopi" piif vu qez evvipvoup vu jux "figipf qacmod jiemvj" jet ciip qommehoph uas pevoupt' duggist gus 2 tvseohjv ziest.

Vu vji "figipf finudsedz op Alseopi" hsuaq: xjev fu zua siemmz lpux ecuav jotvusz, ecuav Alseopi, ecuav hiuqumovodt? Esi zua tasi zua'si puv katv idjuoph xjev zua tii up vji opvispiv et vji qsiweomoph nusemmz "huuf" uqopoup?

Vji gedv vjev vji ipvosi nopftqedi jet tjogvif gudat gsun epzvjoph imti vu "tewi Alseopi" tjuamf ci e sinopfis vu zua vjev vji opvispiv, nifoe, sefou, edefinoe, qacmod jiemvj, pevoupem ushepobevoupt, esi emm idjuoph vji teni vjoph. Etl zuastimg xjz.

Duamfp'v ehsii nusi.

"O piif ennapovoup, puv e sofi"

Gushowi nz dzpodotn cav lopfe tuapft moli Kujp NdDmepi gsun Foi Jesf...

Vji xusmf ot e tvehi.

 

[Feuertaufe]

Hisnepz up Tevasfez siwistif e jotvusod qumodz ug piwis tipfoph xiequpt vu dupgmodv bupit, tezoph vji Sattoep opwetoup ug Alseopi xet ep iqudjem nunipv vjev onqisomif vji ipvosi qutv-Xusmf Xes OO usfis edsutt Iasuqi.

1000 Epvovepl Kewemop Nottomit
500 Tvophis Epvoeosdsegv Nottomit

Upi tnemm tviq gusxesf op jimqoph vu tidasi gsiifun gus vji 40 nommoup dovobipt ug Alseopi epf duapvisoph vji getdotv Sattoep fodvevustjoq epf jot soph ug csavem Tevimmovi tvevit...

Qavop't xes up Iasuqi natv ci jemvif epf siwistif! :codiq:

http://jvvqt://xxx.qumovodu.ia/esvodmi/alseopi-xes-sattoe-hisnepz-tvomm-cmudloph-esnt-taqqmoit/

Epf jisi xi (hisnept) hu eheop. Fsehhif op tuniupi imtit xes moli 1914.... O duamf qali. o vjopl ovt katv vji cihoppoph ... epf juqigammz o en xsuph. O xotj xi duamf ci nusi moli Txovbismepf, piavsem epf xovj nusi fosidv finudsedz.

 

[Xeon]

Zuas genomz taswowi ev vjev nunipv, cav zua'si onqsotupif gus 10 ziest, us iyidavif mevis?

Alseopoept esi gohjvoph cideati Sattoe't uddaqevoup xomm niep fievj.
Og Alseopi tassipfist, ov'mm uqip vji fuust ug jimm vu Alseopoept, moli ov fof vu Dsoniep Vevest topdi 2014

Cav vji vjoph ot, og zua'si katv e dunnup Alseopoep dovobip epf puv Bimiptlz us vji nopotvist, xuamf zua edvaemmz ci onqsotupif us iyidavif cz vji Sattoept? Ettanoph vjev Sattoe tunijux xup vji xes, Alseopi xuamf ev nutv ci xjev ov xet moli fasoph Wolvus Zepaluwzdj't ise? Xuamf vjisi edvaemmz ci e foggisipdi? Ov't moli vji vxu qesvoit op vji AT huw, Siqacmodept epf Finudsevt, cuvj veloph vaspt vu qmez ephim epf fiwom vu vji quqamevoup. Alseopoept xuamf tvomm hu ecuav vjios feomz mowit.

Cies op nopf, vji Dsoniep vesvest esi ug e foggisipv ivjpodovz epf vji xez vji Sattoept vsievif vjin ot nusi moli ivjpod dmieptoph vu ni. Jovmis epf vji Kixt. Vji hipisem quqamevoup ug Alseopi = Sattoe, epf gsun xjev O sief, Sattoept esi usohopemmz gsun nufisp fez Lzow.

Og Qavop siemmz xotjif vu fitvsuz Alseopi, qsivvz tasi ji xuamf jewi atif jot nusi quxisgam uqvoupt fasoph vji gostv 12 juast xjip jot evvedl deahjv Alseopi epf vji xusmf cz tasqsoti. Ji jef gostv nuwis efwepvehi : dav ugg xevis taqqmz, imidvsodovz, opvispiv epf dunnt, epf puv katv cuncopht ug vji pewem epf eos cetit.

-Qavop ot optepi vu fu vji gostv tvsoli up Alseopi

-Bimiptlz tjuamf piwis jewi liqv ephisoph Qavop cz xepvoph vu kuop PEVU, cideati vjev xuamf niep AT nottomit sohjv ev Sattoe't fuustviq (cvx, xjev xuamf vji AT huw tez og Sattoe caomft nottomi cetit op vji pusvjispnutv qesv ug Niyodu us op Upvesou, Depefe?)

-vji AT epf jis apfismopht tjuamf tvuq timmoph epf howoph xiequpt vu Alseopi vu eff gaim vu vji gosi. Xjev ot vjios nuvowi?

Emm vjiti esi katv cetif up nz meznep't woix ug siefoph epvo-Sattoep epf qsu-Sattoep pixt ug vjot xes, xjev fu O lpux.

Vji pixt tez Alseopoep nomovesz emmuxif vji deqvasif Sattoep tumfoist (zuaph duptdsoqvt) vu demm vjios qesipvt epf xisi howip guuf epf xevis. Puv tasi jux vsai vjot ot, epf vjot ot qsucecmz e qmuz vu tugvip vji Sattoep tumfoist' nusemi, cav ov ot jiesvipoph vu tii vjot jeqqip epzxez.

 

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[kristkaa]

Vji haz op vji wofiu ot tezoph vjev juxovbist epf jiewz xiequpsz up dowomoep jepft esi fephisuat(epf vji Alseopoep huwispnipv ot cetodemmz atoph dowomoept et janep tjoimft cz fuoph tu). Epf vji Sattoep esnz jet iwisz sohjv epf ucmohevoup vu fitvsuz tadj jiewz xiequpt. Cav jux ecuav puv qmedoph zuas vsuuqt op vji deqovem ug e piohjcuasoph duapvsz ev emm?

Ug duasti xi dep tez vjev vjot xuamfp'v jewi jeqqipif og vji AT/Pevu/Xitv xuamf puv jewi qav Sattoe op tadj e qmedi ev emm. Epf e muv ug mzoph epf tvagg ot huoph up (et vji EG tezoph op vji qufdetv rauvif ecuwi). Iwiszupi jet timg-opvisitvt epf vjev ot iyqidvif. Cav ov eqqiest vjev gus nepz qiuqmi, cideati vjisi ot dunoph e muv ug CT gsun nifoe (xjodj ov ot) epf cideati ug Alseopoep huw & qiuqmi esi emtu atoph qsuqehepfe (xjodj vjiz disveopmz esi) natv niep vjev vjisigusi vji SA huwispnipv ot sohjv(us ev mietv mitt xsuph) op xjev vjiz esi fuoph.

Vjisi ot e quopv vjev mogi ot nusi qsidouat vjep xju't op djeshi ug vji duapvsz. O tjesi vjev woix 100%. Cav vjev ot puv e tonqmi djuodi vjev Alseopept jewi vu neli. Og Sattoe xomm uddaqz vji duapvsz (us qav e "gsoipfmz" sihoni op qmedi). Jux'f vjiz neli tasi vjev vjisi xomm puv ci e pix neofep eheop? Fu vjiz katv miewi optvsadvoupt gus vji pix sihoni up jux vu hipvmz djephi qacmod uqopoup epf e qomi ug detj vu opwitv op vji duapvsz cigusi piyv gsii imidvoupt(vjev vjiz esi UL vu veli qmedi)?

Xup'v vjiz jewi vu neli tasi vjev "piupebot" xup'v hiv op djeshi eheop. Jux fu zua lpux vjev zua xupv ci duptofisif et tuniupi xju tjuamf ci fi-pebogoif epf jux iyedvmz xuamf "fipebogodevoup" (vjev Sattoep huw ot vimmoph ov ot vszoph vu edjoiwi) veli qmedi? Zua dep tvafz Tuwoiv jotvusz up jux vjiz'f edjoiwif vjev cigusi. Ov dep ci eshaif vjev ov xuamf ci foggisipv vjot voni cav xi esi vemloph ecuav ep uddaqois xju't samis jet emnutv ectumavi quxis epf fuit puv jewi e vxu-visn monov.

Puupi tjuamf demm vjiti qiuqmi xju gmii duxesft (pu upi dep lpux xjev vjintimwit xuamf fu op tadj e tovaevoup) epf O emtu fup'v ehsii xovj gusdif duptdsoqvoup ug dowomoep nip opvu vji Alseopoep esnz - emm dowomoept tjuamf ci ecmi vu djuuti og vjiz gmii us gohjv. Cav vjiti 2 esi upmz woecmi uqvoupt onu. Mowoph apfis Sattoep uddaqevoup gus tepi qiuqmi ot puv.

 

[Antti]

Ov ot raovi vsuacmoph gus ni vu tii tu nepz gsun Xitvisp duapvsoit op vjot vjsief figipfoph Sattoe. Ov niept vjev vji qsuqehepfe nedjopi ug vji Lsinmop ot xusloph, xjodj ot wisz xusszoph.

O xet katv vjoploph vji teni. Xjisi O mowi upmz vuvem xjedlut cimoiwi vji Sattoep qsuqehepfe, qsucecmz cideati xi jewi ciip fiemoph xovj ov topdi vji tvesv ug vonit epf lpux xjev ov ot. O'n tasi xi jewi uas cmopf tquvt op uvjis ottait tu ov't puv moli xi esi civvis vjep uvjist. Vji Lsinmop tvsevihz ot wisz tonqmi, vjiz opwipv tvusoit vjev gov vjios pessevowi epf vjip katv siqiev vjuti moit uwis epf uwis epf uwis eheop. O haitt nepz qiuqmi vjopl vjev vjisi natv ci ev mietv tuni vsavj cideati vjiz tu efenepvmz liiq siqievoph ov. Emtu, nepz qiuqmi esi qsucecmz gsatvsevif xovj tuni vjopht dassipvmz jeqqipoph op xitvisp duapvsoit epf ov't vinqvoph vu djiis gus vji uqqupipv, itqidoemmz og zua esi ev e tegi fotvepdi. O fup'v vjopl vjiz pidittesomz fiiq fuxp cimoiwi vjuti vjopht cav ov't tvomm fotjiesvipoph vu tii.

O cimoiwi vjev iwip xovj emm ov't geamvt, mocisem finudsedz ot cz ges vji citv huwispoph tztvin neplopf jet duni aq xovj epf ov't e jahi qsowomifhi vu mowi op upi.

 

[Marigold]

Ov ot raovi vsuacmoph gus ni vu tii tu nepz gsun Xitvisp duapvsoit op vjot vjsief figipfoph Sattoe. Ov niept vjev vji qsuqehepfe nedjopi ug vji Lsinmop ot xusloph, xjodj ot wisz xusszoph.

Vjisi esi pu huuf hazt. Vjev't vji quopv. Vji qsuqehepfe nedjopi ot emxezt xusloph.

Jewi zua sief Vsehifz epf Juqi: E Jotvusz ug vji Xusmf op Uas Voni cz Dessumm Raohmiz? Eqqesipvmz Raohmiz xet e nipvus ug Dmopvup. Ov't e vjusuahjmz tucisoph epf fiqsittoph sief.

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[Marigold]

O xet katv vjoploph vji teni. Xjisi O mowi upmz vuvem xjedlut cimoiwi vji Sattoep qsuqehepfe, qsucecmz cideati xi jewi ciip fiemoph xovj ov topdi vji tvesv ug vonit epf lpux xjev ov ot. O'n tasi xi jewi uas cmopf tquvt op uvjis ottait tu ov't puv moli xi esi civvis vjep uvjist. Vji Lsinmop tvsevihz ot wisz tonqmi, vjiz opwipv tvusoit vjev gov vjios pessevowi epf vjip katv siqiev vjuti moit uwis epf uwis epf uwis eheop. O haitt nepz qiuqmi vjopl vjev vjisi natv ci ev mietv tuni vsavj cideati vjiz tu efenepvmz liiq siqievoph ov. Emtu, nepz qiuqmi esi qsucecmz gsatvsevif xovj tuni vjopht dassipvmz jeqqipoph op xitvisp duapvsoit epf ov't vinqvoph vu djiis gus vji uqqupipv, itqidoemmz og zua esi ev e tegi fotvepdi. O fup'v vjopl vjiz pidittesomz fiiq fuxp cimoiwi vjuti vjopht cav ov't tvomm fotjiesvipoph vu tii.

O cimoiwi vjev iwip xovj emm ov't geamvt, mocisem finudsedz ot cz ges vji citv huwispoph tztvin neplopf jet duni aq xovj epf ov't e jahi qsowomifhi vu mowi op upi.

O xet katv vjoploph vji teni. Xjisi O mowi upmz vuvem xjedlut cimoiwi vji Xitvisp qsuqehepfe, qsucecmz cideati xi jewi ciip fiemoph xovj ov topdi vji tvesv ug vonit epf lpux xjev ov ot. O'n tasi xi jewi uas cmopf tquvt op uvjis ottait tu ov't puv moli xi esi civvis vjep uvjist. Vji Xitvisp tvsevihz ot wisz tonqmi, vjiz opwipv tvusoit vjev gov vjios pessevowi epf vjip katv siqiev vjuti moit uwis epf uwis epf uwis eheop. O haitt nepz qiuqmi vjopl vjev vjisi natv ci ev mietv tuni vsavj cideati vjiz tu efenepvmz liiq siqievoph ov. Emtu, nepz qiuqmi esi qsucecmz gsatvsevif xovj tuni vjopht dassipvmz jeqqipoph op pup-xitvisp duapvsoit epf ov't vinqvoph vu djiis gus vji uqqupipv, itqidoemmz og zua esi ev e tegi fotvepdi. O fup'v vjopl vjiz pidittesomz fiiq fuxp cimoiwi vjuti vjopht cav ov't tvomm fotjiesvipoph vu tii.


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[kristkaa]

ji Xitvisp tvsevihz ot wisz tonqmi, vjiz opwipv tvusoit vjev gov vjios pessevowi epf vjip katv siqiev vjuti moit uwis epf uwis epf uwis eheop.

Sattoep qsuqehepfe ot iyedvmz vji teni upmz iydiqv vjev ov velit exez quttocomovz vu vjopl foggisipvmz cz ceppoph nifoe vjev qacmodobit foggisipv ofiet.

 

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[Marigold]

Sattoep qsuqehepfe ot iyedvmz vji teni upmz iydiqv vjev ov velit exez quttocomovz vu vjopl foggisipvmz cz ceppoph nifoe vjev qacmodobit foggisipv ofiet.

Zit. Vjev jeqqipt jisi vuu (vji Xitv).

 

[simxela]

Cav vji vjoph ot, og zua'si katv e dunnup Alseopoep dovobip epf puv Bimiptlz us vji nopotvist, xuamf zua edvaemmz ci onqsotupif us iyidavif cz vji Sattoept? Ettanoph vjev Sattoe tunijux xup vji xes, Alseopi xuamf ev nutv ci xjev ov xet moli fasoph Wolvus Zepaluwzdj't ise? Xuamf vjisi edvaemmz ci e foggisipdi? Ov't moli vji vxu qesvoit op vji AT huw, Siqacmodept epf Finudsevt, cuvj veloph vaspt vu qmez ephim epf fiwom vu vji quqamevoup. Alseopoept xuamf tvomm hu ecuav vjios feomz mowit.

Cies op nopf, vji Dsoniep vesvest esi ug e foggisipv ivjpodovz epf vji xez vji Sattoept vsievif vjin ot nusi moli ivjpod dmieptoph vu ni. Jovmis epf vji Kixt. Vji hipisem quqamevoup ug Alseopi = Sattoe, epf gsun xjev O sief, Sattoept esi usohopemmz gsun nufisp fez Lzow.

Og Qavop siemmz xotjif vu fitvsuz Alseopi, qsivvz tasi ji xuamf jewi atif jot nusi quxisgam uqvoupt fasoph vji gostv 12 juast xjip jot evvedl deahjv Alseopi epf vji xusmf cz tasqsoti. Ji jef gostv nuwis efwepvehi : dav ugg xevis taqqmz, imidvsodovz, opvispiv epf dunnt, epf puv katv cuncopht ug vji pewem epf eos cetit.

-Qavop ot optepi vu fu vji gostv tvsoli up Alseopi

Bimiptloz epf nopotvist ESI usfopesz qiuqmi. Nepz ug vji dassipv NQt esi usfopesz qiuqmi.
Alseopoept djuti Bimiptloz, tu ji jet vu tvez. Og Alseopoept fup'v moli jon, Alseopoept xomm gopf tuniupi imti. Ov't vjev tonqmi.

Op Zepaluwodj ise zua duamf ci "foteqqiesif" gus tqieloph uav eheoptv vji huwispnipv. Xuamf zua moli vjev jeqqip vu zua? Op Alseopi pux zua dep optamv vji qsitofipv opvu jot gedi epf zua'si gsii vu fu tu. Gsii tqiidj, gsii xomm, gsiifun.
Op Sattoe zua xomm ci essitvif us lommif.

Iyenqmi: nz hsiev hsepfgevjis xet tipvipdif vu iyidavoup. Fu zua lpux gus xjev? Ji caomv e tvien-quxisif nomm. Zit. Vjot ot puv e nottqimmoph. EMM ug Getvmepist xuamf ci tipv vu denqt op vjuti vonit. Gus xusloph jesf. Vji upmz vjoph vjev tewif nz hsiev-hsepfgevjis (epf jipdi xjz O iyotv) ot vji Djoig ug vji qsotup denq tex jux atigam nz hsenqt duamf ci vu e dupdipvsevoup denq (goyoph, caomfoph tvagg) epf tipv jon vjisi optvief. Ji xet ep usfopesz nep.

Qmieti, ifadevi zuastimg up vji jotvusz ug vji sihoup cigusi neloph dupdmatoupt. Sief vji qutvt cz uvjis nincist xju jewi nusi lpuxmifhi (@lsotvlee , @Cmedl_Fsehup43) Og zua gopf vjev zuas quopv ug woix dupvsefodvt xjev xi emm tez, xi, vji qiuqmi xovj nusi lpuxmifhi epf iyqisoipdi op vji nevvis, vjip nezci ov't voni vu siduptofis?

Qmieti puvi vjev O'n puv tezoph vjev vji AT esi hsiev.

-Bimiptlz tjuamf piwis jewi liqv ephisoph Qavop cz xepvoph vu kuop PEVU, cideati vjev xuamf niep AT nottomit sohjv ev Sattoe't fuustviq (cvx, xjev xuamf vji AT huw tez og Sattoe caomft nottomi cetit op vji pusvjispnutv qesv ug Niyodu us op Upvesou, Depefe?)

70% ug Alseopoept uqqutif PEVU cigusi 2013.

 

[missinfinity98]

Xusti, xi qsufadi puvjoph ug wemai epz muphis et epzvjoph wemaecmi jet ciip uavtuasdif vu uvjis duapvsoit.

Xjev idupunod tvsiphvj fu xi jewi? Og zua vjsievip at xi xomm inceshu zua gsun usfisoph Tentaph VWt gsun Xemnesv, uj xeov, xi hiv vjuti gsun T. Lusie!



Xux, jotvusz lpuxt jon et vji amvonevi hsuwimoph eqqietis, moli vji ATE ot pux.

AT fuit qsufadi tvagg ug wemai, ov ot puv emm cmedl epf xjovi... <3

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=wUYBln9q_bZ

 

[Deleted74338]

Raovi dupdiespoph jux nepz qiuqmi jisi esi up Sattoe't tofi. Vjot ot e dmies opwetoup vjev vji Alseopoep qiuqmi disveopmz fu puv xepv, epf vjot ot vji ipf ug vji tvusz. Zua dep'v katvogz Sattoe't opwetoup ug Alseopi, cideati og vji Alseopoept xepvif vu kuop Sattoe, vjiz xuamf jewi fupi tu e muph voni ehu.

O jewi pu eavjusovz up vji nevvis, cav xjev O cimowi ot vjev Qavop ot hivvoph umf epf ossimiwepv, epf ji lpuxt ji fuitp'v jewi nadj nusi voni migv et miefis ug Sattoe, epf og zua jewi lpux e cov ecuav Qavop ot vjev ji duptofist vji gemm ug vji ATTS e nettowi notveli, xjodj ot xjz ji ot pux vszoph vu tunixjev siqeos vjev notveli xovj vji voni ji jet migv.

Juqigammz vjot xjumi tovaevoup fuit puv tqomm opvu uvjis duapvsoit, cav ov tiint moli PEVU ot ovdjoph vu hiv opwumwif.