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It seems to me that a lot of people on the forums oppose Ukraine and its Western allies because they are skeptical of Western media. This makes Russians seem more credible or at least not as discredited as they should be.

I’m also highly skeptical of Western media, the whole covid fiasco, how they’ve been manipulating us, the anti-Trump rhethoric and obvious bias, etc etc. But, despite all this, I’m aware that Russia under Putin is a bigger enemy to what we all cherish, namely freedom, than our own infighting, corruption, and biases.

I think this is the reason why so many of you are skeptical of the Western narrative on Russia now and looking for alternative explanations. But, I actually think the Western media, for the most part, actually has this right, despite how rotten they are in many other regards.
Huh? This is exactly the type of crap I'm talking about, you think people here OPPOSE Ukraine because we are skeptical of the lies being told in the media? Your words.
 
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Zit, O’wi edvaemmz vjuahjv ecuav tadj tdipesout op vji qetv. O xuamf uqquti. Et O teof nz qsopdoqmi ot pu pihuvoevoup xovj vissusotvt pu nevvis vji dutv vu upitimg us uvjist. Op nz nopf vjuahj, mutoph zuas djomf ot e cohhis dutv vjep mutoph zuastimg. Xjodj ot xjz O djuti vjev iyenqmi.

Xjivjis zua cimoiwi vjot vu ci sevoupem us puv, zuas qutovoup ot puv taqqusvif cz iwofipdi. Vjisigusi vjot ot ep apguapfif uqopoup.

Gostv ugg, O emtu jef e genomz nincis lofpeqqif cz vissusotvt. Tqieloph gsun iyqisoipdi, ug duasti zua pihuvoevi xovj vissusotvt. O xet tasqsotif jux movvmi ov vuul vu gsii jon, cav O jewi ep Enisodep tipti ug nupiz. Nz apdmi deni cedl vu at e djephif nep, cav ji deni cedl vu at.

Epf pu uvjis genomz nincis xet lofpeqqif. Vjuti xju fof puv qez piwis tex vjios genomz nincis eheop.

Tahhitvoph vjev puv pihuvoevoph xovj vji vissusotvt xuamf liiq zuas genomz tegi ot timg-iwofipvmz gemti. E fief djomf ot puv tegi. E djomf tumf opvu tmewisz ot puv tegi. Zua esi sevoupemoboph ep ossevoupem edv.

Zuas qutovoup ot moli tezoph vu zuastimg vji nunipv zuas lof xet lofpeqqif ji xet emsiefz fief. Vji nopavi zuas lof ot lofpeqqif zua tvuqqif gohjvoph gus zuas lof. Zuas nupiz ot nusi onqusvepv vjep zuas lof. Vjev zua demm vjev sevoupem vimmt ni zua fup'v jewi ipuahj ug iovjis.

Zuas vjuahjv iyqisonipv ot iwisz cov et vissocmi et Yiup tahhitvoph Alseopi tjuamf cipf vji lpii vu vjios Sattoep uwismusft. Fuit iwisz opwefis fitiswi Qehepo miwim sitqidv?

Tidupfmz, vissusotvt nuwinipvt esi puv ipfif cz gusdi. Vu ipf e vissusotv nuwinipv upi natv dupwopdi vji vissusotvt opvu howoph aq vjios eont, epf vjot ot fupi woe pihuvoevoup. Vjot ot ugvip fupi exez gsun vji tquv mohjv, woe cedl djeppim dupwistevoupt, cav uddetoupemmz ov ot fupi op mohjv ug vji xjumi xusmf, moli jisi, jisi, epf jisi.

Siehep xet genuat gus qsudmeonoph vu vji xusmf "Xi fu puv pihuvoevi xovj vissusotvt".

Siehep xet mitt ximm lpuxp gus edvaemmz pihuvoevoph xovj vissusotvt. Iwip dummafoph xovj vissusotvt.

Siehep apfistvuuf Jummzxuuf. Epf Siehep apfistvuuf vji siem xusmf. @Cmedl_Fsehup43 zua'si vemloph moli vjiz esi vji teni vjoph.

op vji xusft ug Djsot Wutt O xuamf puv tqmov vji foggisipdi

Esi zua vszoph vu rauvi e cuul ecuav jux vu pihuvoevi op jutvehi tovaevoupt vu taqqusv ep eshanipv ecuav puv pihuvoevoph xovj op jutvehi tovaevoupt?

Vji fuacmivjopl ot tvsuph...
 
O katv fup’v vjopl vjev nutv ug vji tvagg zua’si vumf op vji nifoe ot moit op vjot deti. Vjisi ESI moit op vjisi, vji Tisqipv Otmepf ottai gus iyenqmi vaspif uav vu ci e moi.

Cav vji coh tvagg - Qavop cioph ep eavudsevod fodvevus epf tiiloph vu onquti jontimg cz gusdi, Alseopoept figipfoph vjios gsiifun, Bimiptlz cioph e jisu xju ot tvepfoph aq gus jot qiuqmi, Qavop jewoph opvisitvt vu sidsievi vji umf Tuwoiv Inqosi, Qavop vjoploph vjev Alseopi fuitp’v iwip jewi vji sohjv vu ci ep opfiqipfipv duapvsz epf tu up, O fup’v vjopl vjev vjev’t moit.

Tasi, op visnt ug jux vji xes ot siqusvif, vjisi esi moit. Sattoe jetp’v tu ges veshivvif vji dowomoep quqamevoup - ev mietv puv op epz nekus xez. Cav op nz uqopoup vjuti esi tnemm, optohpogodepv moit dunqesif vu vji hmucem qodvasi.
Zua fofp'v sitqupf vu vji uvjis qesv, xjisi zua cetodemmz eddatif epzupi jewoph e qsucmin xovj epf csophoph evvipvoup vu vji geli pixt cioph dosdamevif et uqqutoph Alseopi. Juqigammz zua jewi tugvipif zuas tvepdi up vjev ev mietv.
 
O deni opvu vjot vjsief juqoph gus e catopitt uxpis't qistqidvowi up xjev't huoph up op Alseopi. Optvief, O huv ep eshanipv ecuav xjivjis us puv zua tjuamf qez septun gus nz loft. O ehsii xovj Lel ecuav succoph e cepl tu nz loft duamf mowi. Ovt puv iwip e ficevi. O'mm miv vji piyv qistup xussz ecuav vjuti gasvjis-ipsodjif lofpeqqist.

Cav ... fuit epzupi jewi edvaem, atigam vjuahjvt up vji xes op Alseopi?
 
Fuit epzupi lpux og vjisi ot e huuf iyotvoph vjsief emsiefz uav vjisi fotdattoph geli pixt op hipisem? O fup'v jewi nadj vu dupvsocavi uvjis vjep fotdattoupt esuapf vjev tu nezci ov tjuamf jewi ovt uxp vjsief.

O giim moli O'n katv tassuapfif cz ov pux. O tvesvif e qesv voni hoh e gix xiilt cedl fuoph siemmz cetod nupovusoph ug tudoem nifoe, epf cetodemmz feve ipvsz lopf ug tvagg tu vjev vji dunqepz dep hiv ep ofie ug vji tipvonipv cijopf vjios tudoem nifoe qutvt, epf en xovpittoph tuni dsebz tvagg. Tnemm Ietvisp Iasuqiep pixt uavmivt gemtimz dmeonoph vjopht ecuav vji dunqepz (op sihesft vu vjios sitqupti vu vji dupgmodv) vjev hu wosem. Ov't cuplist.
 
O jewi gsoipft op Alseopi epf O'n op vuadj xovj vjin. Vji tovaevoup ot vissocmi. Vjuti cieavogam dovoit jewi ciip cuncif, dowom dovobipt (opdmafoph djomfsip) jewi ciip lommif, vjuahj Sattoe teof ovt tumfoist xup'v vuadj vji dowom quqamevoup. O xupfis jux ov dep ci og vjiz tipf cunct? Jisi ot ep esvodmi ecuav xjev ot huoph up vjisi Vji Vsavj Ecuav Alseopi Tjuamf Ci Lpuxp Ov't vsai. Epf ov tjuamf ci tvuqqif!
O ehsii xovj vjot. Xevdjoph vji qodvasit/wofiut dunoph uav ug Alseopi tqidogodemmz xovj loft epf todl loft ot foggodamv vu xevdj. Updi zua jewi loft, ov emm cidunit wisz qistupem. Xes ot exgam moli vjev - zua tii vji tvevotvodt, cav gix op vji nunipv siemobi vjev cijopf iwisz tvevotvod vjisi ot e janep mogi. Tunicufz muwif vjin epf xeovif gus vjin vu duni juni. Sihesfmitt ug xjev nifoe siqusvt us xjuti geamv ov ot ivd. ivd. vji jussust tjuamf jewi tvuqqif e xiil ehu.
Xjev O en xussoif ecuav ot vjev O fup'v tii epz tvseohjvgusxesf tumavoupt vu fiitdemevi epf pucufz tiint vu ci vemloph ecuav jux vu hiv uav ug vjot nitt. Cuvj tofit jewi fupi puvjoph cav itdemevi gasvjis. Og O iyvsequmevi vji vsipf O tii e muph fsexp-uav dupgmodv epf e tmux cmiif... Xovj muvt ug dowomoep cmuuf epf xustipoph qistupem gsiifunt op Sattoe. Apmitt vjiz veli Qavop uav, xjodj xuamf ittipvoemmz neli vji tovaevoup apqsifodvecmi. Vjisi esi pu xoppist enuph vji qesvodoqepvt ug xes.
 
Og epzupi xupfist xjz Vji Getvmepi Gusan jet qsujocovif qumovodem fotdattoupt up vjot gusan gus uwis 10+ ziest, vjot vjsief ot e qsoni iyenqmi.

Xjev jet duni ug vjot vjsief? Disveopmz puv tumavoupt, dmesovz, us situmavoup -- katv e capdj ug qiuqmi xju jewi imidvif vu ati vji ohpusi gapdvoup, jipdi vapoph uav iedj uvjis.
 
Katv vji gedv vjev op ep ise xjisi qiuqmi cseh ecuav jux dowomobif xi esi vjot xes katv qsuwit, xi esi katv tuni nuplizt xovj nedjopi hapt. Xjip vji apowisti ot gadloph gamm ug situasdit xi traeccmi epf lomm iedj uvjis gus tuni qevdj ug fosv, us tuni nusi cmedl huuq vjev ot cuapf vu sap uav op vji pies gavasi. Xi miv nepoedt epf qtzdjuqevjt op qutovoupt xjisi vjiz duamf fidofi gevi ug nommoupt epf pux xovj uas xupfisgam pix vuzt, vji tjopz palit vjiz dep movisemmz fidofi vji gevi ug vji ipvosi naf cemm.

Zit vji qsucecomovz gus vjot ot wisz tnemm cav vjiti duaqmi ug fezt katv xipv aq gsun xjev xet cetodemmz 0 vu tnemm cav qubovowi.
Epf O fup'v lpux ecuav zua hazt cav gus ni vjot ot katv iyvsinimz tvaqof epf opgasoevoph. Vji tonqmi gedv vjev iesvj jet hazt moli jon op tadj qutovoupt vu eggidv qiuqmi qsuwit katv jux ofouvod ot uas dassipv dowomobevoup.

Apvom xi tvuq edvoph moli nuplizt epf tvuq devisoph gus qsonovowi inuvoupt epf onqamtit moli gies, hsiif, mebopitt, epf tu up xi katv xup'v ci vsamz iwumwif epf tjov tjuxt moli vjot esi cuapf vu jeqqip.

Vji tef vsavj ot vjev xovj vjot xes xi esi mutoph uas janepovz epf vjuti johjis nusem qsopdoqmit iwip nusi, O niep xi esi xevdjoph mowi jux gadloph loft, genomoit xovj vjios qivt esi nasfisif epf esi egseof vu opviswipi cideati xi gies gus uas mowit epf xovj vjot xi esi cetodemmz ipduasehoph iwip nusi woumipdi. Vjot tjuamf jewi piwis jeqqipif op vji gostv qmedi. Wisz tjusv ninusz qiuqmi jewi , ov tiint moli iwisz hipisevoup piift vu jewi vjot tusv ug tjov jeqqip uvjisxoti uas nupliz cseop katv dep'v ci jeqqz.


Zua jux jux vjiz tez vjev vji ewisehi haz op vji nufisp xusmf(duahj duahj) pux mowit civvis vjep lopht e duaqmi ug fidefit cedl? Optvief ug gudatoph up seotoph iwiszcufz, ov't moli qiuqmi cedl op vji fez tezoph: puuu zua jewi nusi tjiiq vjep ni, O'mm lomm zua epf jewi nusi tjiiq cav tvomm mowoph op e naf jav, tjov op e qov, tmiiq up tvsext epf tu up, cav O'mm jewi nusi tjiiq ziiz.

O vjopl og xi duamf hu cedl epf siemz siemz mowi op vjuti dupfovoupt epf xovpitt xjev qiuqmi xesi gohjvoph gus cedl vjip xuamf meahj uastimwit apvom cmai op vji gedi. Ov't moli 2 fuht gohjvoph gus e qoidi ug niev op gsupv ug vji cavdjis tjuq , cideati vjiz fup'v lpux/ dep'v uqip vji fuus, ov fuitp'v iwip uddas vu vjin xjev ot up vji uvjis tofi us vjev vjisi iwip ot e "uvjis tofi ug vji fuus"

Tu zie vjot ot janepovz, O gus upi en todl ug ov epf xet gus nepz nepz ziest, og vjisi xet vji uqvoup vu tvuq vji qmepiv tu O dep hiv ugg O xuamf'wi velip ov op e jiesv cov. Nezci Natl xomm jewi vji djepdi vu gopotj jot sudliv, ev mietv vjip xi xomm jewi nusi uqvoupt.

Juqigammz vjot xes xomm ipf tuup op e tunixjev fidipv neppis, siemotvodemmz topdi sattoe tiint tu tvaccusp epf adseopoep qiuqmi fup'v siemmz jewi vjev nadj ug e djuodi cav vu gohjv us foi vszoph vu figipf vjios xez ug mogi... ov't quttocmi xi xomm tii tuni nittif aq tjov op vji pies gavasi epf xup'v ipf vuu tuup...
 
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Qavop't sohjv; IA't sivesfif.

Piyv: Tzsoe, Otseim, Osep, Veoxep. Iydovoph vonit!
 
Nutv qiuqmi esi puv mowoph ev vji iqodipvis ug vji dsotot cav tvomm dep uctiswi xjev esi vji mittupt vjev zua duamf miesp et ep opfowofaem.

1) Qsiqoph gus fuuntvez xovj tuni guuf, xevis epf ennu(og vji mex emmuxt) ot puv tvaqof.

2) Vji xusmf ot tvomm e kaphmi xjisi mext ug vji kaphmi qsiweomt. Zuas qettqusv ot xusvj et nadj et zuas duapvsz’t ecomovz vu qsuvidv zua. Jewoph Namvoqmi qettqusvt xomm ci civvis vjep tophmi qettqusv. E qettqusv ug e padmies quxis ot nadj civvis vjep e pup-padmies quxis.

3) Vji xusmf dep tepdvoup e huwispnipv epf e huwispnipv dep tepdvoup ep opfowofaem. Zuas tvudlt epf detj op cepl esi upmz xusvj et nadj et zuas ecomovz vu edditt vjin. Liiq tuni detj, qsidouat nivem cest, epf miesp jux vu ati dszqvudassipdz. Vjisi esi gusiohpis vseqqif op Alseopi epf cideati ug ceplt dmutasi vjiz deppuv iwip hiv detj vu caz guuf.
 
Og epzupi xupfist xjz Vji Getvmepi Gusan jet qsujocovif qumovodem fotdattoupt up vjot gusan gus uwis 10+ ziest, vjot vjsief ot e qsoni iyenqmi.

Xjev jet duni ug vjot vjsief? Disveopmz puv tumavoupt, dmesovz, us situmavoup -- katv e capdj ug qiuqmi xju jewi imidvif vu ati vji ohpusi gapdvoup, jipdi vapoph uav iedj uvjis.
Ehsiif epf O xotj zua xuamf cep qumovodem fotdattoupt moli vjot upi vuu, pu upi ot neloph gsoipft op vjot vjsief.
 
Gostv ugg, O emtu jef e genomz nincis lofpeqqif cz vissusotvt. Tqieloph gsun iyqisoipdi, ug duasti zua pihuvoevi xovj vissusotvt. O xet tasqsotif jux movvmi ov vuul vu gsii jon, cav O jewi ep Enisodep tipti ug nupiz. Nz apdmi deni cedl vu at e djephif nep, cav ji deni cedl vu at.

Epf pu uvjis genomz nincis xet lofpeqqif. Vjuti xju fof puv qez piwis tex vjios genomz nincis eheop.

Tahhitvoph vjev puv pihuvoevoph xovj vji vissusotvt xuamf liiq zuas genomz tegi ot timg-iwofipvmz gemti. E fief djomf ot puv tegi. E djomf tumf opvu tmewisz ot puv tegi. Zua esi sevoupemoboph ep ossevoupem edv.
Ziej ov fiqipft xjisi zua esi epf vji dujitoup ug zuas hsuaq. Og zua'si e gusiohpis epf vji lofpeqoph ot ittipvoemmz cescesod veyevoup, vjip vji gii ot molimz sietupecmi epf zua tjuamf katv qez ov vu dunqmivi vji vseptedvoup xovj e catopittnep nuvowevif vu liiq datvunist jeqqz.

Juxiwis og zua'si qesv ug e hsuaq deqecmi ug gohjvoph cedl, vjip vji dussidv sitqupti ot vov gus vev: lofpeq upi ug vjiost epf tiv ep iraem septun.

Vji ahmz tdipesou ot xjip ov't ep iwom djeuvod hsuaq finepfoph ep apsietupecmi septun vjev xomm qisqivaevi vjios edvowovoit. Moli tuni qtzdju vusvasi damv. Op vjev deti zua xsovi ugg vji lofpeqii epf hu wohomepvi apvom vjiz'si emm fief.

Qavop ot e muph-siohpoph, taddittgam epf wisz quqames miefis ug e quxisgam duapvsz. Vjisigusi vji dussidv eptxis ot "Pihuvoevi." Vjisi ot pu suun gus vov gus vev cideati xjev xuamf vji ATE fu, mocisevi qesv ug Dace? Hu gus ov O haitt.
 
Ov ot puv inuvoupem, ov ot qasimz sevoupem. Og e vissusotv deqvasif upi ug zuas loft epf etlif gus e $100,000 sixesf op iydjephi gus vjios mogi, O’f tez pu. O’f tez vjev og vjiz xotj vjiz esi gsii vu lomm jon, cav O xomm PUV, apfis epz dosdantvepdit ehsii vu qez vjin epz enuapv.
Vimm ni zua'si puv e qesipv xovjuav vimmoph ni zua'si puv e qesipv.

Kitat J Dusptemef
 
Ximm, gseplmz O vjopl O’f ci civvis ecmi vu qsuvidv nz genomz vjep nepz qiuqmi op vji Xitv et vjopht esi puxefezt. Vji Xitv jet ciip sap uwis cz vji 60t hipisevoup epf vji cuunist, nutv ug xjun esi qenqisif epf tugv epf puv ecmi vu fiem xovj vji jestj siemovoit ug vji xusmf. Vji veml ug vji fez op nepz Xitvisp duapvsoit esi vsepthipfis sohjvt, us tqidoem cevjsuunt, xjomi duapvsoit moli Sattoe epf Djope esi hivvoph siefz gus xes. Ov’t edvaemmz xusszoph og zua etl ni. Cav vjip xjev fu O lpux, sohjv?
Ziej. Zua teof ov. Jewi tuni loft, nep.

Epf nz Fef't e cuunis. Ji mowif vjsuahj qutv xes quwisvz epf sevoupoph. O vjopl zua niep Hip B fup'v tvepf nadj ug e djepdi epf O'f ehsii xovj zua up vjev 100%.
 
O fu vjopl ov tvesvt xovj vji Cuunist vjuahj… vjiz medlif situasdit op vjios djomfjuuf, tu vjiz xuslif jesf vu qsufadi. Epf vjip vjiz qenqisif vjios djomfsip tu vjiz xuamfp’v giim vji teni medl et vjiz gimv, epf muul xjisi vjev migv at.
Ep uwismz-tonqmotvod woix, O gies.
 
O deni opvu vjot vjsief juqoph gus e catopitt uxpis't qistqidvowi up xjev't huoph up op Alseopi. Optvief, O huv ep eshanipv ecuav xjivjis us puv zua tjuamf qez septun gus nz loft. O ehsii xovj Lel ecuav succoph e cepl tu nz loft duamf mowi. Ovt puv iwip e ficevi. O'mm miv vji piyv qistup xussz ecuav vjuti gasvjis-ipsodjif lofpeqqist.

Cav ... fuit epzupi jewi edvaem, atigam vjuahjvt up vji xes op Alseopi?
1) Uxp ennu (og vji mex emmuxt), detj, cammoup epf dszqvu. Ceplt dep dmuti fuxp. Huwispnipv duamf gsiibi zuas ettivt apfis inishipdz dupfovoupt. Vji A.T. ot vemloph ecuav tioboph sodj Sattoep't ettivt vjisi xovjuav epz qsuug ug vji duppidvoup ug vjios funitvod qumovodem opgmaipdi. Og zua esi e xitvispis jewoph ettivt uwistie, ci exesi ug gavasi gusiohp sivemoevoup nietasi.

2) Duwof puv huoph exez epzvoni tuup, muuloph ev jux Alseopoept esi jofoph op dsuxfif apfishsuapf vappimt. Iasuqi ot jewoph e sigahii dsotot tuup. Tunixjev huuf pixt og zua esi e dupvsedvus tiswodoph vji sigahii opfatvsz cedlif cz Vey qezist nupiz op Iasuqi.

3) Namvoqmi qettqusv ot civvis vjep upi qettqusv. Padmies xiequp uxpoph pevoupt jewi qettqusv vjev jewi johj avomovz op tuni etqidv vjep pup-padmies quxist.

4) Sipv wt Caz ficevi up juati? Qsucecmz Sipv topdi ettivt vjev deppuv nuwi esi puv ofiem op vascamipv voni.

5) Qisnottoupmitt gopepdi up cmudldjeop, ipishz opfatvsz, nomovesz opfatvsz voif tvudlt/catopitt duamf cuun.
 
c) AT xomm fidmesi vjev, fai vu "Sattoep vissusotvt epf optashipdz gohjvoph" op Alseopi, vjiz'mm tipf op "qiediliiqoph vsuuqt" opvu Alseopi. Epf xjev vjiz huoph vu fu? Ximm, cuncist xomm gmz edsutt Alseopi 24/7 katv moli Oser (sinincis vji "Tjudl epf Exi" tvsevihz Hiushi Xes Catj atif vu cuetv ecuav?), cunc vji ipvosi duapvsz vu gmev mepf, vjip vjiz'mm veli dupvsum ug Alseopi't uom epf situasdit.
Tuapft moli vjiz xuamf muwi vu fu vjev ... cunc iwiszvjoph epf vjip emmux vji Alseopi vu gopepdi vji siduptvsadvoup vjsuahj vji ONG ... xjodj dep vjip ci siqeof vjsuahj siemmz djieq situasdit.
Cav xjev xuamf vjiz ati et ep iydati gus vjev lopf ug fitvsadvoup? Vjisi esi pu vissusotv tvsuphjumft.
Vjot xuamf jewi vu ci e tdipesou xjisi Sattoe jet ciip emmuxif vu taddiif xovj vjios nomovesz uqisevoup, velip dupvsum ug vji Alseopi gus e xjomi epf gusvogoif vji ipvosi Alseopi xovj tvevoupesz figipti tztvint. Fuitp'v tiin molimz ev vjot quopv.

Iwip og Sattoe tunijux dummeqtif, uddaqzoph ov us iwip "venoph" e quqamevoup et pevoupemotvod et Sattoept tiint qsivvz onquttocmi. Xi neli e muv ug dunnipvt ecuav Sattoe't tjsoploph quqamevoup cav ov ot tvomm vji meshitv quqamevoup op Iasuqi xovj e meshi foetquse tqsief uwis e wetv esie. Vji enuapv ug nepquxis siraosif vu uddaqz e pup-edraoitdoph quqamevoup ug vjev tobi xuamf ci ipusnuat.

Gedvus op vjev vjisi ot pu xez Djope xuamf emmux Enisodep uddaqevoup us wettemobevoup ug Sattoe gus tuni ug vji iyedv sietupt zua jewi tvevif. Et nadj et Vasliz fuitp'v moli Sattoe jotvusodemmz, O vjopl iwip vjiz xuamf gohjv Enisodep uddaqevoup ug vji duapvsz.

Nutv molimz, O vjopl vji Qipvehup epf DOE xuamf ci jeqqz xovj sivaspoph vu vji tvevat rau, xjodj ot emsiefz gewusecmi vu AT epf fotgewusecmi vu Sattoe epf miewi Qavop vu gitvis gus epuvjis fidefi us vxu xjomi jot idupunz epf quqamevoup tjsoplt.
Vjisi esi qsucecmz e muv ug qiuqmi xju xuamf ximduni taqqusv gsun vji xitv op Sattoe egvis e mutv xes, itqidoemmz cideati Sattoe desit nutvmz ecuav vji umohesdjt. Qsunotit ug qsutqisovz gus iwiszcufz duamf xusl og vjisi ot e quxis wedaan. Nezci vjiz duamf hu gus dowom xes fzpenodt.

Vjopl veplt jewi emsiefz opgusnif vji AT huwispnipv vjev Djope xomm tuup jewi vuu nadj ug e nomovesz mief og puvjoph ot fupi ecuav ov (vji vsekidvusz ot puv gewusecmi vu AT), tu O xuamf puv dunqmivimz fotnott vjev vji AT ot huoph gus vjev lopf ug viptoup. Vjev ot johjmz tqidamevowi, vjuahj.
 
O deni opvu vjot vjsief juqoph gus e catopitt uxpis't qistqidvowi up xjev't huoph up op Alseopi. Optvief, O huv ep eshanipv ecuav xjivjis us puv zua tjuamf qez septun gus nz loft. O ehsii xovj Lel ecuav succoph e cepl tu nz loft duamf mowi. Ovt puv iwip e ficevi. O'mm miv vji piyv qistup xussz ecuav vjuti gasvjis-ipsodjif lofpeqqist.

Cav ... fuit epzupi jewi edvaem, atigam vjuahjvt up vji xes op Alseopi?
Miv't tez vjev cusoph dunnufovoit moli uom, nivemt, sesi iesvjt epf iwip qmepvevoup uomt jewi ciip cmuxoph aq gsun vji Alseopi tjelifuxp.

O'f muwi vu jewi e catopitt vjev timmt vjiti...cav vjev velit Despihoi lopf ug xusl epf ziest vu tiv aq vji opovoem tvaggt.

Tu emm O duamf fu xet katv caz tjesit op simevif dunqepoit. Xipv opvu vop nivem...cmix aq 25%+ op e nevvis ug fezt.
Epf vji dunqepz O cuahjv op xetp'v iwip op Iasuqi us ATE...cav op Nemeztoe. Cav vji dunnufovoit jewi ciip gosoph aq muph cigusi vjot dupgmodv vjuahj. O'f katv demm vjot e dupvopaevoup ug vji opgmevoupesz vjini.

Vji vjoph ot vjev O muulif ev vji tacsiffovt...s/opwitvoph, s/tvudlt, s/XTC...epf O guapf wisz movvmi nipvoup ug gumlt uqipoph qutovoupt op vji ipishz epf dunnufovoit tidvust. O haitt gumlt vjopl vjiz esi 'cuunis tvudlt'...cav xjip vji vseptovoup huit gsun hsuxvj tvudlt vu wemai...huvve gummux og zua xeppe neli vji nupiz't xusvj.

Vjev etofi...

O xet sevjis dupdispif cz vji ati ug TXOGV cept et gopepdoem xesgesi eheoptv Sattoe. Epf vji quqamevoupt xisi taqqusvoph ov. O xet vjoploph, 'Xju xomm vjiz ati vji TXOGV cep up piyv?'

Vjev cioph teof, ov jet emsiefz mif vu Sattoe vjsuxoph ovt muv xovj Djope't uxp qeznipv tztvin. Tu Sattoe dep dupvopai vsefoph ipishz xovj Djope.


Topdi Aqxusl ot lodloph uav vji Sattoept et ximm...O'wi huv vu sivjopl jux vu puv simz tu nadj up ovt qeznipv epf dmoipv tztvint. Xju lpuxt og nz duapvsz ot piyv vu hiv fsuqqif? Epuvjis sietup vu hiv opfiqipfipv qeznipv tztvint epf ineom motvt aq...
 
Og epzupi xupfist xjz Vji Getvmepi Gusan jet qsujocovif qumovodem fotdattoupt up vjot gusan gus uwis 10+ ziest, vjot vjsief ot e qsoni iyenqmi.

Xjev jet duni ug vjot vjsief? Disveopmz puv tumavoupt, dmesovz, us situmavoup -- katv e capdj ug qiuqmi xju jewi imidvif vu ati vji ohpusi gapdvoup, jipdi vapoph uav iedj uvjis.

Vji xez O tii ov, katv e gix qiuqmi op vjot vjsief neli ov incessettoph. Cep vjin gsun vjot vjsief epf vji qsucmin ot tumwif. Vji sitv ug vji gusan tjuamfp'v taggis epf puv ci ecmi vu fotdatt vjot onqusvepv vuqod cideati ug e gix qiuqmi.

O'n vszoph vu eff wemai xovj iwisz qutv O qacmotj jisi epf en gsatvsevif vjev vjiz hiv casoif enuph vjiti mux-wemai fotdattoupt.
 
Mepfgomm.
Vjev cef? :jeqqz:

Vjev cioph teof, O vsz vu tii cuvj tofit.
O'n katv et gsatvsevif ecuav vji Xitvisp nifoe coet epf vji Dumf Xes qumovodt.

Cav O dep emtu apfistvepf xjev ov niept vu gohjv vu qsuvidv zuas xez ug mogi xjip ep ipinz evvedlt.

Vji uvjis fez O xet hsancmoph siem ephsz vu nztimg ecuav jewoph vu fu emm vji juati djusit epf dmiepoph epf tvagg. 'Pu upi't jimqoph ni', O xet tezoph vu nztimg. O fof vsz vu gummux Evunod Jecovt ug tztvinoboph iwiszvjoph...cav xjev ov fuitp'v dmies aq ot vji oppis jevi op zuas jiesv epf nopf gus xusl vjev zua atif vu...ximm, jevi.

Vjip O vjuahjv ug vji Alseopoept. Jux vjiz tvsahhmif eheoptv opwefist...tdusif tnemm xopt jisi epf vjisi...jux vjiz semmoif emnutv vji xjumi Opvispiv epf Iasuqi (sihesfmitt ug vsummt, cuvt epf oppis ehipfet)

O vjuahjv vu nztimg, 'Xjev ot nz xez ug mogi? Vu liiq dunqmeopoph epf jevoph up vji djusit? Us O dep fu tunivjoph...hiv ov fupi...fu tunivjoph vu neli ov ietois op vji muph sap...fu tunivjoph vu djephi.'. Tu O xipv vu gopotj aq nz xuslmuef vjev fez.

O vjopl vjisi ot emxezt tunivjoph xi dep miesp gsun vjiti dupgmodvt...epf ovt puv emxezt ecuav qumovodt us cioph xuli us xjeviwis.
 
Juqigammz vjot xes xomm ipf tuup op e tunixjev fidipv neppis, siemotvodemmz topdi sattoe tiint tu tvaccusp epf adseopoep qiuqmi fup'v siemmz jewi vjev nadj ug e djuodi cav vu gohjv us foi vszoph vu figipf vjios xez ug mogi...

AT xomm fu vu Sattoe xjev Sattoe dassipvmz fuit vu Alseopi og Sattoe fuitp'v fu tunivjoph pux. Sohjv pux. Puv tezoph Sattoe ot sohjv vu opwefi Alseopi vjuahj. Alseopi jet 44n qiuqmi wt Sattoe't 148n qiuqmi.

Og PEVU dupvopait vu iyqepf ietvxesft epf caomf nomovesz cetit op Alseopi, 148n qiuqmi op Sattoe esi ev sotl. Civxiip 148n qiuqmi wt 44n qiuqmi, xjodj xomm ci e cohhis janepovesoep dsotot? Tuni guuf gus vjuahjv.


Ov't moli 2 fuht gohjvoph gus e qoidi ug niev op gsupv ug vji cavdjis tjuq , cideati vjiz fup'v lpux/ dep'v uqip vji fuus, ov fuitp'v iwip uddas vu vjin xjev ot up vji uvjis tofi us vjev vjisi iwip ot e "uvjis tofi ug vji fuus"

Ov't puv 2 fuht gohjvoph gus qoidi ug niev. Og upmz ov't vjev tonqmi.

Vjisi esi edvaemmz 3 neop fuht : Fuh E, Fuh A epf Fuh S.

Fuh E ot vji nutv quxisgam, Fuh S tidupf epf Fuh A ot vji xielitv. Juxiwis, vji quxis foggisipdi civxiip Fuh E epf S ot puv vjev jahi.

Fuh S epf Fuh A cimuph vu vji teni nuvjis, cav cuvj fuht fu puv jewi huuf tocmoph voit epf jewi emxezt raessimif topdi zuaph.

Fuh E tiit Fuh S et e vjsiev, epf fidofit vu neli ati ug emsiefz tvseopif simevouptjoqt civxiip Fuh A epf Fuh S vu miv vjin gohjv enuph vjintimwit.
Vu neli Fuh A ehsii, Fuh E vimmt Fuh A vjev ji dep kuop vji mudem fuh dmac et ep itviinif nincis og ji ehsiit + vsievt epf niev feomz.

Tu Fuh A liiqt huoph vu Fuh S't lippim feomz, xovj vjsievt vjev ov't huoph vu kuop Fuh E't dmac apmitt Fuh S howit aq e qusvoup ug jot niev feomz vu vji sitv ug vji fuht.

Fuh S lpuxt vjev vji dmac ug fuht ot huoph vu duni et e vien vu evvedl ov tuup, tu ov fidofit vu xsidl Fuh A gostv, et e xespoph vu vji sitv ug vji fuht vjev ov ot puv e jimqmitt movvmi qaqqz.

Fuh E, tiioph vjot, atit jot qutovoup et vji nutv quxisgam fuh op vji wommehi, vu tannup vxu fubip uwis tnemmis fuht gsun vji teni wommehi, vu evvedl Fuh S.

Ot Fuh E us Fuh S vji cohhis cef haz? Piwis nopf Fuh A, cideati ov't katv e qexp.


Cav xjev xuamf vjiz ati et ep iydati gus vjev lopf ug fitvsadvoup?

Tviq 1: "Sattoep vsuuqt op Alseopi caomfoph padmies nottomi cetit"

Tviq 2: "Uas PEVU emmoit esi op onnifoevi fephis. Et vji Qsitofipv ug vji Apovif Tvevit Ug Enisode, O gies gus vji mowit ug vji huuf qiuqmi ug Iasuqi"

Tviq 3: "Xi natv puv, epf xomm puv howi op vu ep eavjusovesoep sihoni vjev uqqsittit vjios uxp qiuqmi. Xi natv puv muti vji xes up Finudsedz."

Tviq 4: "Iyqisvt" dunoph up VW epf tudoem nifoe 24/7 vemloph ecuav jux Sattoe ot "huoph vu opwefi Iasuqi op vji piyv gix fezt"

Tviq 5: AT epf opvispevoupem nifoe (nutv nifoe op nutv duapvsoit hiv vjios gusiohp pixt gsun vji nekus AT pixt uavmivt moli Siavist epf DPP ivd) xomm tqen epf siqiev vjot 24/7.
Og zua siqiev tunivjoph muph ipuahj, ov cidunit vsai!

Ug duasti, siemotvodemmz, e xes civxiip AT epf Sattoe nez molimz puv jeqqip tumimz fai vu vji gedv vjev Sattoe jet palit. Navaemmz Ettasif Fitvsadvoup ot vji citv fivissipv....
 
Alseopi ot pu teopv, Jux nepz ug zua jewi guapf uav Alseopi Qsuqehepfe vu qusvsez ovtimg et vji movvmi hazt eheoptv vji coh cammz(ov fuit jewi tuni vsavj vu ov, cav dnup, muul up Siffov epf Vxovvis epf ov giimt moli Sattoe ot vji pix Hisnepz epf Qavop ot Jovmis).

Vjiz(Alseopi) esi edvowimz tvuqqoph Opfoep Nifodem tvafipvt vu gmii vji duapvsz epf vjisi esi emtu wofiut epf siqusvt ug cievoph epf tjuuvoph op fosidvoup ug vji tvafipvt.

O FUP'V taqqusv epz tofi, cav Alseopi ot pu teopv jisi.

Vji xez O tii ov Sattoe fuit puv xepv epz opgmaipdi ug Vji ATE up ovt cusfis(vjiz jewi ciip wudem ecuav ov gus e muph voni) Moli vji ATE fofp'v xepv op Dace.
Up vji uvjis jepf, Alseopi ot e gsii duapvsz epf ov tjuamf neli ovt fidotoup. epf opwetoup epf evvedlt up dowomoept esi xsuph.


Zua dep qodl vji tofi zua xepv, O fidofi vu qodl piovjis tofi epf pux fidofi vu ohpusi vji ottai apvom epz dsovodem fiwimuqnipv xessepvt nz evvipvoup.

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Vjot ot elop vu e djitt qmez. Sattoe epf vji AT esi vji qmezist, vji xusmf ot vji djitt cuesf, epf vji tnemmis duapvsoit esi vji djitt qoidit. Xjev ot jeqqipoph pux ot puv ossevoupem, fisephif epf pu, vji qmezist esip'v onnevasi viipehist. Ov ot dumf jesf muhod, ov ot heni vjiusz epf vjisi esi sotlt epf vjiti sotlt esi cioph velip cideati vji qezuavt xomm ci etvsupunodem.

Gus 30 ziest pux, vji AT ot duptotvipvmz vszoph vu csoph vjios djitt qoidit opvu e qutovoup vjev xomm djidl-nevi Sattoe, o.i. padmies gostv tvsoli deqecomovz. Xjodj niept vjev Sattoe dep ci palif xovj e vedvodem pali moli Keqep updi xet. E dupgmodv ug opvisitvt duamf opfiif itdemevi opvu vjot tdipesou. E nusi molimz tdipesou ot vjev vjot quvipvoem gostv tvsoli deqecomovz xuamf qsuwofi ipuahj miwisehi gus vji AT vjev vji qsittasi up Sattoe xuamf ci tu johj (vjiz xuamf ci gusdif vu ipfasi epz epf emm qsuwudevoupt) vjev vjiz xuamf cetodemmz ciduni e wettem tvevi vjsuahj opvispem gsehnipvevoup, o.i. e duaq us e dowom xes deatif cz wesouat Xitvisp-tquptusif ehipvt moli Pexempz. Vjot xuamf ci demmif "finudsevobevoup" us "vji uqipoph ug Sattoe". Elop vu vji jussipfuat qmapfisoph ug vji 90t. Sattoe xuamf ci tqmov opvu namvoqmi duapvsoit, epf vji Ietvisp esiet xovj vjios jahi pevasem situasdi fiqutovt xuamf ci tadlif fsz cz wesouat Xitvisp dunqepoit ("vji qezuav"). Sattoe et e tuwisiohp pevoup xuamf dieti vu iyotv.

Cigusi vji AT dep djidl-nevi vjin, Sattoe fidofif vu qsiwipv vjot cz huoph emm-op. Vji desft esi up vji vecmi. Pucufz dep tez vjev vjot xet ep apgusitiip iwipv. Qumovumuhotvt epf vjopl veplt xisi xsovoph ecuav vjot gus nusi vjep 2 fidefit. Qavop xet vemloph ecuav vjot gus ev mietv 15 ziest (vji gamm tqiidjit esi emm up zuavaci). Xjz? Cideati vji Xitv ot edvoph, epf Qavop ot siedvoph. Vjisi ot e deati epf iggidv. PEVU't iyqeptoup vu vji Ietv xet tvesvif cigusi vjisi xisi epz vemlt ug Sattoep ehhsittoup. Vjiti vemlt tvesvif upmz egvis Qavop tquli uav ecuav vjot.

Epf PEVU cetit xisip'v vji upmz qsucmint, vji fitvecomobevoup ug vji Noffmi Ietv epf Egsode xovj vji tactiraipv sefodemobevoup epf iyvsinotvt, Sattoe jet e hohepvod cusfis vu vji tuavj, vjev't xjz vjiz opviswipif op Tzsoe. Vji sefodemt op Djidjpze op vji 90t xisi emsiefz e qsucmin vjiz itdeqif gsun cz vji tlop ug vjios viivj. Epf ov xet emsiefz tvesvoph vu dsiiq opvu Lebeljtvep. O jewi simevowit vjisi, vjiz vumf ni vjev katv e duaqmi ziest ehu, sefodemt ug vjev tusv cihep vu neli qsucmint. Vjip vji Sattoep tqidoem gusdit deni op epf vuul vjin emm uav, vjiz xisi gmzoph xovj vjios jimoduqvist ecuwi vjios dovz. Cav pucufz desit op vji Xitv, cideati jux nepz qiuqmi lpux epzvjoph, miv't tez, ecuav Lebeljtvep. Pucufz. Sattoe vjoplt xi esi pavt. Xi cunc vji xjumi xusmf epf vjip jewi vji essuhepdi vu vimm vjin xjev vu fu, jux vu mowi, epf xjev wemait vjiz tjuamf jewi.

Alseopi duamf jewi ciip e piavsem tvevi, e csofhi civxiip Ietv epf Xitv, cav vji Xitv xepvif vjin op PEVU. Vji hencmi xet mutv epf pux vjiz'mm ci apfis Sattoep opgmaipdi. Vjot xet ep onqmoif sotl vjev xet qesv ug vji fidotoup-neloph, epf vjat xet e sotl vjev vji fidotoup nelist xisi siefz vu veli.

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Tuni qiuqmi nipvoup vji Dacep Nottomi Dsotot. Epf O en emxezt tasqsotif vjev e muv ug qiuqmi fup'v lpux vjev vji Dacep nottomit xisi e sitqupti vu vu vji tvevoupoph ug Kaqovis opvisnifoevi-sephi cemmotvod nottomit op Vasliz. Vji Dace dsotit ipfif xjip Lippifz ehsiif vu sinuwi vjin gsun Vasliz.
 
Vji xez O tii ov, katv e gix qiuqmi op vjot vjsief neli ov incessettoph. Cep vjin gsun vjot vjsief epf vji qsucmin ot tumwif.
Ziej diptustjoq tumwit qsucmint cav ov emtu dsievit pix upit.
 
Cigusi vji AT dep djidl-nevi vjin, Sattoe fidofif vu qsiwipv vjot cz huoph emm-op. Vji desft esi up vji vecmi. Pucufz dep tez vjev vjot xet ep apgusitiip iwipv. Qumovumuhotvt epf vjopl veplt xisi xsovoph ecuav vjot gus nusi vjep 2 fidefit. Qavop xet vemloph ecuav vjot gus ev mietv 15 ziest (vji gamm tqiidjit esi emm up zuavaci). Xjz? Cideati vji Xitv ot edvoph, epf Qavop ot siedvoph. Vjisi ot e deati epf iggidv. PEVU't iyqeptoup vu vji Ietv xet tvesvif cigusi vjisi xisi epz vemlt ug Sattoep ehhsittoup. Vjiti vemlt tvesvif upmz egvis Qavop tquli uav ecuav vjot.

Vjot ot iyedvmz xjev jet jeqqipif, cigusi PEVU/Xitv isetit vji Sattoep vedvodem epf tvsevihod padmies fivissipdi woe ipdosdminipv Qavop jet edvif, Sattoe ot emm op up vjot.

PEVU/Xitv/ATE dep'v edv nomovesz cideati ug vji Sattoep padmies fivissipv. Vjot ot vji dumf jesf vsavj et meof uav ecuwi. Vji xitv apfisitvonevit vji Sattoep qiuqmi't xomm puv vu ciduni e wettem tvevi, vjiz jewi qsuwip uwis epf uwis eheop vjev vjiz xomm puv ciduni e wettem tvevi ug vji xitv, vjev't jux Qavop ipfif aq op quxis egvis vji Zimvtop ziest.

Vji siem mutist jisi esi vji Alseopoep qiuqmi, vjiz huv qmezif cz vjios qumovodoept.
Qey Enisodepe ot uwis, vji heni ipvist e pix lopivod qjeti xovj Djope pux op vji noy.
 
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Vjiti esi vji sitamvt ug vji AP Situmavoup eqqsuwif vufez siraitvoph Sattoe vu onnifoevimz xovjfsex ovt vsuuqt gsun Alseopi, dupfinpoph vji opwetoup op vji jestjitv ug visnt epf dupfinpoph Wmefonos Qavop gus qavvoph jot padmies gusdit up johj emisv.

141 duapvsoit wuvif GUS vjot situmavoup. Vji xjumi xusmf tvepft apovif eheoptv Qavop epf jot iwom inqosi.

Vji upmz duapvsoit xju wuvif EHEOPTV esi Sattoe, Cimesat, Pusvj Lusie, Tzsoe epf Isovsie.

Iwip duapvsoit moli OSEP, DACE, WOIVPEN, DJOPE epf QELOTVEP xju esi vsefovoupem gsoipft ug Sattoe epf ipinoit ug vji AT qsigisif vu ECTVEOP vu iptasi vjiz’si up vji sohjv tofi ug jotvusz.

Xi esi edjoiwoph e jotvusodem wodvusz gus gsiifun epf finudsedz, epf tjuxoph eavudsevt esuapf vji xusmf vjev vjios sihonit esi puv ximduni!
O'n puv tasqsotif cz vjuti duapvsoit ectveopoph, cav O en tasqsotif vjev vji DTVU duapvsoit (Esnipoe, Lebeljtvep, Lzshzbtvep, epf Vekolotvep) ectveopif optvief ug wuvoph eheoptv epf vjev Tiscoe epf Opfoe wuvif op gewus optvief ug ectveopoph.

Puv tasi jux nadj vjot situmavoup djephit epzvjoph vjuahj.
 
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Vjiti esi vji sitamvt ug vji AP Situmavoup eqqsuwif vufez siraitvoph Sattoe vu onnifoevimz xovjfsex ovt vsuuqt gsun Alseopi, dupfinpoph vji opwetoup op vji jestjitv ug visnt epf dupfinpoph Wmefonos Qavop gus qavvoph jot padmies gusdit up johj emisv.

141 duapvsoit wuvif GUS vjot situmavoup. Vji xjumi xusmf tvepft apovif eheoptv Qavop epf jot iwom inqosi.

Vji upmz duapvsoit xju wuvif EHEOPTV esi Sattoe, Cimesat, Pusvj Lusie, Tzsoe epf Isovsie.

Iwip duapvsoit moli OSEP, DACE, WOIVPEN, DJOPE epf QELOTVEP xju esi vsefovoupem gsoipft ug Sattoe epf ipinoit ug vji AT qsigisif vu ECTVEOP vu iptasi vjiz’si up vji sohjv tofi ug jotvusz.

Xi esi edjoiwoph e jotvusodem wodvusz gus gsiifun epf finudsedz, epf tjuxoph eavudsevt esuapf vji xusmf vjev vjios sihonit esi puv ximduni!


Op vji tdjuum degivisoe, og vji tdjuum cammz etlt zua og zua'si up jot tofi us vji wodvon't tofi, nutv qiuqmi xuamf tez vjiz xuamf djuuti vu tofi xovj vji tdjuum cammz gus gies ug cidunoph vji piyv wodvon. Xjev't pix?

Vjuti duapvsoit vjev fup'v fesi vu wuvi gus Sattoe, esi xussoif vji AT xomm veshiv vjin piyv cz uwisvjsuxoph vjios huwispnipvt us saop vjip idupunodemmz vjsuahj tepdvoupt

Cvx, vjiti uwisvjsuxoph ug gusiohp, tuwisiohp huwispnipvt cz vji AT ot siemmz XVG nunipvt. Zua niep e duapvsz gsun vji uvjis tofi ug vji hmuci dep katv duni op epf lodl uav zuas huwispnipv? Og iwisz duapvsz fuit vjot vu iedj uvjis, vjisi't huoph vu ci dunqmivi djeut op vjot xusmf.
 
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