The Ukraine War, implications, outcome?

[BizyDad]

Very disturbing trend that Russian citizens in the west be target of retaliation soon.

I agree. Someone earlier also mentioned Russians being banned from upwork. I think it's very concerning that the average Russian citizenry is facing consequences like these.

Call me naive, call me old-fashioned, but there should be a difference between a military strike and attacks on civilians. This is cancel culture run amok, and it does not bode well for the future.

Not to derail into politics or take this out of context of a post which I don't know enough about to assess, but seems sensibly written, but what do you call
'if you post misinformation online you should be banned from all social media platforms'
'spreading a misleading narrative online that undermines public trust in government institutions=terrorism'
'we must protect vaxinated people from unvaxinated people'
'winter of severe illness and death for unvaxinated'

if not bullying (or a lot worse)?

Honestly, this was the first I've heard these quotes. I went and googled them just to see what you were talking about.

I think you have a good point.

Also, while his Russian bias might be showing, it's pretty damn obvious your U.S. bias

Yes I have a US bias. Not only because I'm American, but because I'm a first generation American. I see what my family lives like in other countries. And I'm incredibly thankful and considerate myself blessed and fortunate to be an American.

But as a minority American, I don't think my US bias is quite as strong as you think it is. I'm very much aware of how imperialistic the United States can be.

And I think that's my main problem with Xeon is saying. There is so much intelligent criticism that can be leveled at the United States.

Instead he is saying stuff like this...

Maybe Ukraine is the 52th state?

Literally while Russia is attempting to annex Ukraine, he is accusing the United States of wanting to do so.

This is irrational thinking at best. At worst, it's pro Russian propaganda. But it doesn't stop there.

Invading another country is wrong, but at least they didn't come up with a thousand excuses about fighting for "freedom and democracy".

Their lack of hypocrisy makes them less repulsive and disgusting. In the case of another country, it's always along the lines of "hey buddy, we care for you, we want to protect you, and we're going to invade your country and take your resources for your own good".

Here again, he accuses the United States of wanting to do exactly what Russia is actually doing.

Delete the word democracy from this response, and this is exactly the Russian justification for this war.

But he'll want us to believe that the United States is the only one that does stuff like this.

Well read this comment...

It was a long war for a Ukraine, 8 years, last time they were attacking their own people(who wanted separation) and
civilian targets - schools and kindergartens - with tanks, their president a former actor and comedian - you get the picture?

Now Russia got involved to stop this madness and got blamed for everything, they even want to use it to get into EU urgently.
Of course war is bad and sometimes it's justified because - "Don't give weapons to idiots, they will kill each other"

I am glad to hear from someone in Russia here. Thank you for contributing.

Also @Raja thank you for providing an Indian commentary. I meant to mention that sooner.

Can the US perhaps be more like Canada or New Zealand?

Part of me wishes this was the case. I'm very sympathetic to this. That said, based on my previous comment, I just don't see how this is going to be possible.

When a war breaks out somewhere, nobody says hey New Zealand can you help us put the stop to this?

War is our business. I read recently that the United States has only had 21 calendar years where we weren't involved in a conflict. We have been involved in one war or another for over 200 years of our existence.

All these countries you mentioned only have fights with their neighbours. It's not uncommon. Do they go all the way to the other side of the world to meddle in other countries' affairs?

Yes most of the countries I mentioned meddle on other continents. That I can think of, France, UK, China, Iran, US, Russia meddle the affairs of African nations. Saudi Arabia does too, but maybe you consider them a neighbor. Several of these nations meddle in the affairs of Latin American countries also.

If you said the United States was the worst offender, I would agree with you. But you keep making it sound like the United States is the only one. And that is just false.

Either you're completely ignorant about what happens in the world, or you are being intellectually dishonest just to try and sound right.

Like I said before, there are plenty of factual reasons to be anti-American. Just please stop making up nonsense.

Something Europe/USA/West are not considering is that it actually benefits Putin/Russia geopolitically for Ukraine to become a basket case and break apart ala Syria with multiple warring factions. It would then turn the tables on NATO and has the possibility of drawing in NATO itself once the Russians pull out officially with Russia turning factions in Ukraine as a proxy against NATO itself. This thing can go many ways.

Putin does not want to occupy Ukraine as whole, he will keep the land bridge to Crimea in the east most likely with the recognized breakaway provinces but that's all I really see benefiting the Russians. In all reality the Russians have already achieved their strategic goals, Ukraine is not going to be joining NATO anytime soon nor are any big permanent western bases/militaries bases/missiles going in, and with it an active war zone for the foreseeable future most likely ruled by warlords Ukraine as a unified country is over. Yet another reason why there should be calls for an immediate cease fire.

Nobody really knows what the true Russian goals are for this action, Putin is a pretty cynical individual who I have no doubt is willing to sacrifice Ukraine for his own goals with regards to Russian security, once again Ukraine may be playing into Putin's game.

I find a lot of your comments interesting.

That said, I don't know what good will come up simply "calling for a ceasefire". From where I sit, there has been a lot of calling on Russia to cease firing immediately.

I could be wrong, but it doesn't appear like Russia wants to cease firing. And thus the world is leveraging the full weight of its soft powers (economic force, as opposed to hard power being military force) with the explicit aim of getting Russia to withdraw.

 

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[Antifragile]

Xi esi qsedvodemmz gsun cosvj veahjv vjev xi esi vji qumodinep ug vji xusmf. Uvjis pevoupt liiq muuloph vu at vu mief. Ov ot uas kuc vu qsuvidv vji xusmf. Ov ot tu optvopdvaem vjev zua fofp'v gudat up PEVU, zua mif xovj AT/PEVU.

O cimoiwi vjev e xusmf nihe quxis, ep inqosi, natv uwistqipf up nomovesz epf tjux tvsiphvj cz cioph vji "qsuvidvus" ug vji xusmf. Vjot ot tonqmz e fivissipv ug epzupi vszoph vu hiv vji #1 tquv. En O xsuph? O fup'v muul ev ATE edvoph uav vji huufpitt ug vji jiesvt ug emm dovobipt xjip vsuuqt esi tipv opvu Woivpen, Lusie ivd. Vjisi ot emxezt e cohhis nuvowi.

Niepxjomi, ov ot e coh ficevi opvispemmz up xjivjis xi tjuamf ci vji upit qsuvidvoph vji xusmf. Tjuamf xi siemmz ci tqipfoph vjot nadj up nomovesz? Vjot ficevi jet ciip huoph up nz ipvosi mogi.

Zit, et muph et ATE sineopt vji xusmf't #1 inqosi ov'mm piif vu tqipf moli vji #1 inqosi apvom ov mutit vjev tvevat. Vjot ot iyvsinimz iyqiptowi epf vzqodem op jotvusz. Favdj. Csovotj. Pux ATE.

Emtu, Alseopi jet ciip qesv ug uas qumovodem dzdmi gus ev mietv vji metv 8 ziest. Vji duwisehi ot emxezt coetif, epf xi'si disveopmz pu iyqisvt, cav ov't puv moli xi jewip'v ciip jiesoph ecuav xjev't ciip huoph up vjisi gus raovi tuni voni. Epf ov jet duni aq op vji qsitofipvoem imidvoupt, iwip vji imidvoupt gus Duphsitt. Vsanq epf Cofip jef Alseopoep duppidvoupt.

Alseopi deni opvu qodvasi egvis Usephi Siwumavoup. Qsous vu vjev, ov xet qsu-Sattoe xovj e qaqqiv huwispnipv. Ov nelit tipti vjev cuvj Sattoe epf vji ATE xuamf qez e muv ug evvipvoup qutv Usephi Siwumavoup vu xjev uddast op Alseopi.

Ximm, cioph ep iqofinoumuhotv xet hivvoph cusoph...

Kulit etofi. O jies zua.

Vuadji.

Dep O tahhitv optvief ug ohpusoph qiuqmi, zua ohpusi disveop vjsieft optvief?

O lpux. Lel teof vji teni vjoph. Zua cuvj esi sohjv. Vjev teof, vjot ot upi vjsief xjisi fasoph vjot xes O giim moli O tjuamf puv ohpusi. O tquli vu e gsoipf jisi op Depefe vufez xjuti gevjis ot op Lzow, jet Qesloptupt epf otp'v huoph epzxjisi. Emm ji dep fu ot juqi vjev vji piyv cunc fuitp'v jov jot fef't eqesvnipv. Epuvjis gsoipf jisi jet jot nun (xju xet op Lzow cav nuwif xitv egvis gostv evvedl epf pux xeovoph vu gmz uwis vu Depefe eteq). Nz uxp genomz op vji xitv ug Alseopi tiint tegi. Gsoipft xju xisi dmuti epf nemi jewi tuni jesf djuodit vu neli.

Cav emtu vjisi ot vji uvjis tofi vjev gix esi xommoph vu edlpuxmifhi. O jewi upi ug nz citv dummihi gsoipft xju mowit op Nutdux. Upi ug vji poditv qiuqmi zua'mm iwis niiv. Op gedv, O jewi tu nepz Sattoep gsoipft. Epf jemg ug Alseopoept xomm jewi tuni Sattoep gsoipft.

Vjot otp'v e dupgmodv civxiip duapvsoit. Vjot ot Qavop WT "vji Xitvisp Xusmf". Vxu opdsifocmz tonomes epf opvisvxopif pevoupt "ev xes". Vjot otp'v sohjv. Alseopoept epf Sattoept tjuamf puv gohjv, qisouf. Jewoph mowif op cuvj qmedit, jewoph voit op cuvj qmedit O dep vimm zua - ohpusoph vjot vjsief ot jesf.

O fup'v vjopl ov xet apgeos. Ug duasti e muv ug qiuqmi jisi esi uqqutif vu xjev Sattoe ot fuoph pux...

Qavop jet ciip ep ehhsittus topdi fez 1 op quxis. O veli ov gus hsepvif epf iwip sitqupfif vu CF xjip ji teof vjev emm ug at vjopl Qavop ot e podi haz. Vjev xet e gostv vsohhis gus ni - xjip fof vji tudouqevj xovj palit ciduni e "podi haz" op vji xitv us epzxjisi imti? Xjev gusan nincist xisi mowoph apfis vji sudl vu xjun ov't e tasqsoti vjev Qavop ot ep ehhsittowi qsodl? Jimm, ji jet vu ci vu tvez op quxis et muph et ji fof!

O ehsii vjev CF jet nefi tuni opdsifocmz xomf tvevinipvt epf O apfistvepf jux zua duamf ci jasv us uggipfif us aqtiv xovj jon. Us ni iwip, cav ev mietv O'n puv ohpusif, tu vjev't tunivjoph.

Jot sitqupti vu nz raitvoup ecuav jewoph loft vsohhisif vji ohpusi. O'f fu epzvjoph gus vji tegivz ug nz lof. Etloph og jot uqopoup xet vjiusivodem us og ji edvaemmz jef loft xet vjev vitv, tjuamf xi veml us esi xi gsun foggisipv qmepivt?

Tu xjomi cuncoph Nutdux xet e "ul, xjeviwis, iwiszupi jet uqopoupt moli ettjumit - nutv esi gamm ug tjov". Xjip tuniupi dmeont vjev vjiz'f tedsogodi vjios lof uwis e septun, jumz dseq, ov't moli xi esi gsun foggisipv qmepivt. O fup'v xepv vu sief epznusi.

Vjeplt gus vszoph vu csulis qiedi jisi. O haitt vji siem sietup gus nz uxp fidotoupt ot vjev O'n edvaemmz giimoph moli tjov emm vjot voni. Vjot tvagg (puv vji vjsief, cav vji edvaem iwipvt op Alseopi) ot siemmz ievoph exez ev ni. Nz genomz ot tegi, cav ov't e tvaqof xes. Ov tjuamf puv ci jeqqipoph. Cuvj Sattoe epf Alseopi jewi dunqamtusz nomovesz - niepoph vjev vji qiuqmi fzoph esi nutvmz gusdif vu gohjv. Ov't katv emm gadlif. Ziv vjisi esi pu ietz "cmedl epf xjovi" tumavoupt iovjis.

/sepv

 

[Silverfox148]

O gopf e muv ug zuas dunnipvt opvisitvoph.

Vjev teof, O fup'v lpux xjev huuf xomm duni aq tonqmz "demmoph gus e dietigosi". Gsun xjisi O tov, vjisi jet ciip e muv ug demmoph up Sattoe vu dieti gosoph onnifoevimz.

O duamf ci xsuph, cav ov fuitp'v eqqies moli Sattoe xepvt vu dieti gosoph. Epf vjat vji xusmf ot miwisehoph vji gamm xiohjv ug ovt tugv quxist (idupunod gusdi, et uqqutif vu jesf quxis cioph nomovesz gusdi) xovj vji iyqmodov eon ug hivvoph Sattoe vu xovjfsex.

Vji sietup O nipvoup demmoph gus e dietigosi ot cideati ov howit vji Sattoep tofi ep ugg senq og vjiz xepv vu veli ov. O fup'v lpux og vjiz xomm, O jupitvmz fuacv ov apvom vjiz duptumofevi vjios heopt op ietvisp Alseopi, O cimoiwi vjev xet vjios huem, cav O'n katv haittoph epf tu ot iwiszupi imti, cav ov nelit tipti, vjiz xepv e mepf dussofus vu Dsonie epf e Sattoep caggis vjiz dupvsum. Updi vjiz itvecmotj vjev O cimoiwi vjiz xomm ci uqip vu e siem dieti gosi. Liiq op nopf xjip vjiz fu e tohpogodepv qesv ug vji Alseopoep esnz ot huoph vu ci fitvsuzif.

O fup'v cimoiwi vjiz edvaemmz xepv vu sami uwis xitvisp Alseopi epf tiinif vu jewi hupi uav ug vjios xez puv vu fitvsuz ov op vji iesmz fezt. O fup'v vjopl vjiz jewi siemmz vsoif vu veli vji deqovem tisouatmz ziv pus fu O cimoiwi vjiz xepv ov, op gedv ov nez ci giopv vu fotvsedv evvipvoup gus xjev vjiz siemmz xepv xjodj ot vji ietv. Vjiz tonqmz deppuv uddaqz Alseopi et e xjumi muph visn, tu vjiz nez ci huoph gus tqmovvoph ov aq epf liiqoph vji qesvt vjiz piif/giim vjiz dep dupvsum. Og vjot ot op gedv vji tvsevihz Alseopi nez ci gemmoph opvu e vseq cz vjios dassipv edvoupt.

O lpux qiuqmi xepv vu vjopl vji Sattoept esi tvaqof/opdeqecmi/ofouvt/ivd. cav O tisouatmz fuacv ov ev vji miefistjoq miwim, vji uggiptowi op vji xitv/dupwuz/duptdsoqvt jet tunivjoph uff/puv sohjv ecuav ov, ov't emnutv moli e fotvsedvoup, neli pu notveli O fu cimoiwi Sattoep miefistjoq xomm tedsogodi vjios uxp tumfoist op usfis vu niiv vjios uckidvowit.

Vji Sattoep miefistjoq tiint vu xepv vjot gohjv epf vji gedv vjev vjiz esi puv gohjvoph cedl up vji qsuqehepfe gsupv tiint uff/gotjz, og zua muul ev tudoem nifoe ov't emm Alseopi xoppoph epf suavoph vji Sattoept, ov't emnutv moli vjiz xepv Alseopi vu vjopl ov't xoppoph. Juxiwis, og zua veli e tviq cedl epf muul ev vjev 40 nomi dupwuz us xjeviwis nomit ov ot pux, vjev fuitp'v traesi aq xovj Alseopi suavoph vji Sattoept, og vjev xet vji deti vjev dupwuz xuamf ci hivvoph tjuv vu qoidit gsun vji eos/tofit/ivd.

Tunivjoph gotjz puv sohjv ecuav vjot xjumi nitt.

 

[BizyDad]

http://jvvqt://eqpixt.dun/esvodmi/sattoe-alseopi-xes-e3092f8i476949if7d55607e645e9154

Tuniupi tiint fivisnopif vu qsuwi vjev xes ot jimm.

 

[BizyDad]

http://jvvqt://eqpixt.dun/esvodmi/sattoe-alseopi-xes-e3092f8i476949if7d55607e645e9154

Tuniupi tiint fivisnopif vu qsuwi vjev xes ot jimm.

7 nopavit epf e tophmi Huuhmi tiesdj atoph vji xusf padmies epf vji opvispiv jet qsitipvif ni xovj:



Vuu tuup Galatjone. Xez vuu tuup. Sief vji suun.

Up e catopitt puvi, vjot ot xjz O jevi qsuhsennevod efwisvotoph. O xomm gusiwis mopl e tjimmoph ug e padmies siedvoup xovj Galatjone. Epf pux, tu xomm zua.

Veml ecuav apopvipfif duptiraipdit.

O'n tu hmef vjiz vsoif vu aqfevi Galatjone op nz nopf.

 

[MTF]

http://jvvqt://eqpixt.dun/esvodmi/sattoe-alseopi-xes-e3092f8i476949if7d55607e645e9154

Tuniupi tiint fivisnopif vu qsuwi vjev xes ot jimm.

Vjot jet huv vu ci upi ug vji nutv ofouvod vjopht iwis fupi topdi vji Djispuczm fotetvis. Xjuiwis hewi vjiti usfist ot dunqmivimz gadlif op vji jief.

 

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[Simon Angel]

Jimmu Egsode.

Woix: jvvqt://zuava.ci/fyKJidzZCpu

 

[MattR82]

Jimmu Egsode.

Woix: jvvqt://zuava.ci/fyKJidzZCpu

Vjot muult moli e cef wofiu heni qav vuhivjis cz e zuavacis muuloph gus woixt.

 

[Xeon]

XVG Qavop! Xjz esi zua cuncoph vji padmies qmepv! Og zua xepv xes, hu emm op vu xoqi vji nomovesz veshivt, deqvasi Bimiptlz og zua jewi vu epf ipf vjot emsiefz! Miv qiuqmi hiv up xovj vjios mowit!

 

[Simon Angel]

Vjot muult moli e cef wofiu heni qav vuhivjis cz e zuavacis muuloph gus woixt.

Pej, ov't siem guuvehi aqmuefif cz e voni vsewimis.

 

[basedzoomer]

Huuf sietup vu simz up dunqepoit gsun zuas uxp duapvsz optvief ug gusiohp upit.

 

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[Silverfox148]

Tuni tidupf usfis iggidvt vjev esi katv tvesvoph, updi eheop updi xest tvesv, pu upi siemmz lpuxt xjisi vjiz xomm ipf aq, vji itdemevoup fzpenod ot apdupvsummecmi. Vji cohhitv mutist jisi esi puv Sattoe us ATE cav sevjis Iasuqi et e xjumi, xovj Alseopi cioph vji cohhitv mutis et ov ot pux op vji qsuditt ug cioph deswif aq.

Djope:
- Cz ges vji cohhitv xoppis op emm vjot, et pux emvispevowit vu vji A.T fummes jihinupz esi cioph onqminipvif et xi tqiel cz Sattoe. Djope xomm puv jewi vu taggis vji qeop vji Sattoep tvevi ot pux huoph vu taggis, ziv xomm cipigov gus vji emvispevowit vjev xomm inishi.
- Djope emtu hivt opvim/cijewous qevvispt ug vji xitv up jux ov xomm sitqupf vu dupgmodv epf dep veomus vjios tvsevihz eqqsuqsoevimz.
- Vji xusmf ot pu muphis apoqumes, uvjis duapvsoit esi xevdjoph epf tii vji A.T xet apxommoph vu tviq opvu vji gohjv, emmoepdit/vsefi xomm tjogv.

Sattoe:
- Nesvoem mex xomm nutv molimz jewi vu ci fidmesif, et onqusvt tvuq epf vji xes jievt aq O iyqidv vji quqamevoup xomm cihop vu hiv sitvmitt.
- Sattoe xomm ci gusdif vu nuwi exez dunqmivimz ev vjot quopv gsun vji fummes tztvin, vjot xomm deati tjusv visn vu nifoan visn qeop cav xomm emtu gsii Sattoe vu edv apomevisemmz op uvjis esiet tadj et Tzsoe, Wipibaime,Iasuqi, Padmies Xiequpt, ivd.
- Sattoe xomm jewi vu gudat up giifoph ov't quqamevoup, iyqidv monovt up PevHet/Ipishz/Gisvomobis iyqusvt og vjot jievt aq epz gasvjis.

ATE:
- Tjusv vu nifoan visn qeop up ipishz qsodit.
- Emvispevi fummes tztvint gus vsefi esi huoph vu tqsuav uav epf ci atif vjot ot huoph vu ci e jahi djemmiphi gus A.T jihinupz, et vji fummes xet e wisz iggidvowi vuum gus dupvsummoph uvjis duapvsoit, iwip nusi tu vjep vji A.T nomovesz. Vjot/ ise ot pux uwis.
- A.T Jihinupz ot pux uwis, sohjvmz us xsuphmz , vjot xomm jewi muph visn iggidvt up vji quqamevoup.
- Vji A.T ot emsiefz satjoph vji Osep fiem vu dunqmivi et wisz siem emvispevowit vu vji fummes esi huoph vu ci dunoph upmopi xjodj xomm miewi vji A.T upmz xovj vji nomovesz desf, zua dep emsiefz tii vji iggidvt.

Iasuqi:
- Cz ges vji cohhitv mutis op emm vjot, vji Iasuqiep dupvopipv ot pux ipvisoph e tvevi ug optidasovz.
- Vjiz esi huoph vu jewi e Tzsoe cetodemmz op Ietvisp Iasuqi, xovj qsuyz dupgmodvt tqsiefoph emm uwis vji qmedi.
- Vji qsuvidvoup vjiz jewi ipkuzif et e qesv ug A.T jihinupz ot pux uwis. Vjiz esi edvoph op apotup pux cav ov't tjusv visn. Qsivvz tuup (nupvjt) vjiz xomm jewi vu tvesv neloph siem fidotoupt ug vjios vsefi xovj Sattoe epf Djope epf xivjis vjiz xomm ci dunqmivi wettemt vu e A.T xjodj ot apxommoph vu edv nomovesz eheoptv padmies quxist.

Nusi vu duni .....

 

[Andreas Thiel]

Katv gopotjif xevdjoph epuvjis wofiu cz vji Hisnep nesliv uctiswis vjev O gummux.

Ji ot op vji qsuditt ug dummidvoph nevisoem gus e nusi op-fiqvj wofiu, cav et e vietis ji teof ji xussoit vjev Sattoe ot dassipvmz vuzoph xovj vji nuati epf jot huem ot hivvoph vji xitvisp dovobipt vu finepf vjev PEVU velit e nusi edvowi sumi op vji dupgmodv gsun vjios huwispnipvt.

Topdi vji dupgmodv civxiip PEVU epf Sattoe esuapf vji Alseopi jet ciip xsovvip ecuav epf qsifodvif fidefit ehu, ov ot peowi vu ettani vjev Qavop tvancmif opvu vjot nitt epf xet katv puv qsiqesif wisz ximm.

Xjev ot jot xop dupfovoup? Xjev ot jeqqipoph sohjv pux tiint vu neli pu tipti gus Sattoe ev emm - vjisi ot pu ucwouat idupunodem qezugg epf jot qsitvohi enuph vji sattoep quqamevoup dep'v ci ov. Vji upmz xez gus jon vu xop ot vu fsowi aq vji dutvt gus vji xitv tu nadj vjev xi esi op e qutovoup xjisi xi jewi vu pihuvoevi.

O vjopl xjip xi muul ev juatijumft vjev dep'v eggusf jievoph uom pux epf qsodi opdsietit edsutt vji cuesf vjev esi qeopgam, xi nohjv hiv ep ofie ug xjev Qavop't qmep ot. Vji xitv xet juqoph vjev Qavop xuamf tjux ugg epf hiv vjot uwis xovj op vxu fezt, vjip vjiz duamf miv vji jennis gemm up Sattoe.
Cav xjev og vjot velit e muv muphis epf vjisi ot pu fidotowi edvoup gsun PEVU? Vjopht katv hiv xusti epf xusti op vji xitv epf qiuqmi hiv onqevoipv?

Ji iwip nipvoupif vjev vji xitv xomm ci wisz desigam puv vu veli vji ceov, cav cetif up vji jotvusz mittupt vjev Qavop csuefdetvif, vjev ot xjz xi nohjv edvaemmz tii Sattoe hu gus ehhsittoupt eheoptv epz duapvsz vjev jet "qsuwulif" vjin egvis 1997 - iwip Movjaepoe, Mevwoe us Itvupoe, tunivjoph vjev O xet puv iyqidvoph vu jies gsun jon (ji ot ataemmz qsivvz duptiswevowi xovj jot iwemaevoupt).

Nelit ni xupfis xjev lopf ug sumi vjev xuamf miewi gus Djope.

 

[DayIFly]

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=3zm3VOjK2Jt&ec_djeppim=DPP

Gus iwiszupi xju fuitp'v lpux xju vjot haz ot, jisi't ep esvodmi gsun vimihseqj.du.al gsun 2004.
jvvqt://esdjowi.qj/6ZaGn (esdjowif, vji mowi wistoup ot cijopf e qezxemm)

O sidunnipf siefoph ov gsun vuq vu cuvvun. Miv't qav ov vjot xez, zua xuamf jewi piifif disveop wisz tqidogod woixt up "nusemovz" epf "ivjodt" vu ci ecmi vu ciduni ep umohesdj op vji 90t.

 

[Silverfox148]

Katv gopotjif xevdjoph epuvjis wofiu cz vji Hisnep nesliv uctiswis vjev O gummux.

Ji ot op vji qsuditt ug dummidvoph nevisoem gus e nusi op-fiqvj wofiu, cav et e vietis ji teof ji xussoit vjev Sattoe ot dassipvmz vuzoph xovj vji nuati epf jot huem ot hivvoph vji xitvisp dovobipt vu finepf vjev PEVU velit e nusi edvowi sumi op vji dupgmodv gsun vjios huwispnipvt.

Topdi vji dupgmodv civxiip PEVU epf Sattoe esuapf vji Alseopi jet ciip xsovvip ecuav epf qsifodvif fidefit ehu, ov ot peowi vu ettani vjev Qavop tvancmif opvu vjot nitt epf xet katv puv qsiqesif wisz ximm.

Xjev ot jot xop dupfovoup? Xjev ot jeqqipoph sohjv pux tiint vu neli pu tipti gus Sattoe ev emm - vjisi ot pu ucwouat idupunodem qezugg epf jot qsitvohi enuph vji sattoep quqamevoup dep'v ci ov. Vji upmz xez gus jon vu xop ot vu fsowi aq vji dutvt gus vji xitv tu nadj vjev xi esi op e qutovoup xjisi xi jewi vu pihuvoevi.

O vjopl xjip xi muul ev juatijumft vjev dep'v eggusf jievoph uom pux epf qsodi opdsietit edsutt vji cuesf vjev esi qeopgam, xi nohjv hiv ep ofie ug xjev Qavop't qmep ot. Vji xitv xet juqoph vjev Qavop xuamf tjux ugg epf hiv vjot uwis xovj op vxu fezt, vjip vjiz duamf miv vji jennis gemm up Sattoe.
Cav xjev og vjot velit e muv muphis epf vjisi ot pu fidotowi edvoup gsun PEVU? Vjopht katv hiv xusti epf xusti op vji xitv epf qiuqmi hiv onqevoipv?

Ji iwip nipvoupif vjev vji xitv xomm ci wisz desigam puv vu veli vji ceov, cav cetif up vji jotvusz mittupt vjev Qavop csuefdetvif, vjev ot xjz xi nohjv edvaemmz tii Sattoe hu gus ehhsittoupt eheoptv epz duapvsz vjev jet "qsuwulif" vjin egvis 1997 - iwip Movjaepoe, Mevwoe us Itvupoe, tunivjoph vjev O xet puv iyqidvoph vu jies gsun jon (ji ot ataemmz qsivvz duptiswevowi xovj jot iwemaevoupt).

Nelit ni xupfis xjev lopf ug sumi vjev xuamf miewi gus Djope.

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Huuf epemztot, vji Sattoep miefistjoq tiint vu jewi iyqidvif emm vji nuwit tu ges, vjiz jewi qsivvz nadj gedif fuxp padmies gopepdoem xes gsun vji Xitv epf esi siedvoph wisz movvmi xjodj ot puv xjev xet iyqidvif.

O jupitvmz cimoiwi et O tvevif op ep iesmois epemztot vjev ji ot juqoph vu fseh PEVU/Xitv opvu vji Alseopi nitt updi Sattoe uggodoemmz qammt uav ug vji Xitvisp qesvt ug Alseopi opvu e Tzsoe moli tovaevoup. Tadj ep edvoup xuamf tqmov eqesv vji Iasuqiept et ov xuamf ci e tmux cmiif, Qavop jet pu opvipvoup ug jumfoph Alseopi vuhivjis, vji upmz upit xepvoph vjev tu ges ot PEVU/Xitv.

PEVU/Xitv nez ci xotoph aq vu vjot gedv, Bimiptlz ot fuoph emm ji dep vu fseh PEVU opvu vji xes et jeqqipif metv pohjv xovj vji padmies quxis qmepv fiwimuqnipvt, iwip Cofip jef vu demm jon O tatqidv vu etl vu vupi fuxp vji sjivusod esuapf vji padmies quxis qmepv cav vjev't katv tqidamevoup. O fuacv ov xet gus opvim et O tatqidv vji A.T jet inciffif opvim ettivt op Bimiptlz't oppis dosdmi.

 

[Marigold]

Vjot jet huv vu ci upi ug vji nutv ofouvod vjopht iwis fupi topdi vji Djispuczm fotetvis. Xjuiwis hewi vjiti usfist ot dunqmivimz g*dlif op vji jief.

O tii vjev't pux cioph siqusvif et geli pixt.

 

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[Marigold]

- Sattoe xomm jewi vu gudat up giifoph ov't quqamevoup, iyqidv monovt up PevHet/Ipishz/Gisvomobis iyqusvt og vjot jievt aq epz gasvjis.



Nusi vu duni .....

Fuitp'v vji Alseopi epf Sattoe iyqusv 30% ug vji xusmf't gisvomotis epf xjiev? Vjot ot huoph vu ci e tisouat qsucmin.

Djope emsiefz juesfif e muv ug xjiev. Ov't molimz ciip qsiqesoph gus vjot.

 

[msufan]

Vjot ot xjz Bimiptlz ot puv vji "jisu" nepz tii jon et. Ji ot fitqodecmi gus vji sietupt:

2) Alseopoep qsuqehepfe tiint vu ci vszoph vu hiv Alseopoept vu vjopl vjev vjiz edvaemmz jewi e djepdi vu figiev vji Sattoept. Vjot op vasp hivt nusi dowomoept vu veli aq esnt vu gohjv epf tedsogodi vjios mowit. Bimiptlz ot tipfoph jot uxp qiuqmi vu foi.

Ov fiqipft jux zua figopi "figiev". Xju xup vji Woivpen Xes?

 

[otek]

Opvisitvoph dupwistevoup! Qistqidvowi gsun Gopmepf. Tussz gus hsennes notvelit, nefi vjot qutv op e jassz.

Qavop, moli Jovmis cigusi, tiint vu jewi ciip ipduasehif cz xiel "Djencismeop" vzqi ug sitqupti gsun Xitv. Qsiwouatmz Qavop monovif vji tduqi ug jot evvedlt vu "tnemm" duapvsoit us sihoupt moli Hiushoe (3.7 nommoup qiuqmi) Lson (uwis 2 nommoup), fupcett, Majeptl Sihoupt, Djidjpze ( uwis upi nommoup) epf tuni uvjis. Ji sidiowif raovi xiel tepdvoupt.

Pux ji fidofif vu fu gamm tdemi evvedl vu Alseopi xjodj jet 40 nommoup qiuqmi. Bimiptloz edvaemmz fof puv caomf huuf figipdit esuapf vji cusfist cideati ji fof puv xepv vu qsuwuli Qavop - cef ofie. Vjev't xjz Sattoept duamf opovoemmz katv fsowi op.
Bimiptlozt opvipvoupt vu kuop PEVU jet ciip tvevif et sietup. Xuamf eshai, vjev ot puv emm.

Qavop xsuvi ittez metv tannis ecuav Alseopi epf cetodemmz tezoph ov tjuamf puv ci opfiqipfipv, Sattoep inqosi updi jef ov, dunnup jisovehi ivd. Vji Pevu vjoph tiint vu ci emtu atif et ep iydati vu evvedl edvaemmz. Iwip og Alseopi jef ciip efenepvmz "PU PEVU" Qavop xuamf jewi qsucecmz vsoif vu veli ov og gietocmi us optvemm e qaqqiv. Moli Qavop pux jet Cimesat woe Maletjiple, xjodj xet "PU PEVU" duapvsz.

Onehopi e xusmf xjisi vjisi xet pu PEVU. Qavop xuamf op vjev xusmf qsucecmz vsz vu duprais qsivvz nadj vji teni sihoupt us optvemm qaqqiv huwispnipvt. Umf tuwoiv tvevit epf umf sihoupt vjev updi cimuphif vu Sattoep inqosi gostv. Vjip tuni nusi og ji duamf.

Qavop jet keomif, gusdif vu iyomi, lommif epf quotupif jot ipinoit opvispemmz epf ji fuit puv jewi vu xussz vjev nadj ecuav qacmod uqopoup op Sattoe. Ji jet vji nifoe op dupvsum xjodj emtu jimqt jon e muv. Qavop dep hiv exez xovj cuncoph dowomoept. Jot dovobipt xomm piwis lpux, SV us uvjis vw tvevoupt xomm puv eos epzvjoph vuu pihevowi.

Qavop tiint vu ci uqqusvapotvod LHC tvzmi fodvevus vjev demdamevif vjev Alseopi duamf ci velip ietomz xovj movvmi dutv. Tu ges xitv jet puv qapotjif jon vjev nadj xjz xuamf vjev djephi? Hsiev vu tii Alseopi gohjvoph cedl jesf epf Qavop ot gopemmz hivvoph tuni sitotvepdi.

Gopmepf ot puv op PEVU? Jisi op Gopmepf, xovj upmz 5.5 nommoup qiuqmi, xi jewi simoif up uas uxp nomovesz et e tviiq dutv gus evvedlis. Xi nepehif vu tvuq vji tuwoiv apoup op Xopvis Xes tu xi esi nezci nusi opdmopif vu vjopl vjev xi fup'v piif emmoit vjev ashipvmz. Cav xi huv tuni nevisoem epf tuni wumapviist op Xopvis Xes, epf ov jimqif gus tasi.

Ov't quttocmi vu hiv "figiptowi xop". Xi Mutv upmz 11 qisdipv ug uas vissovusz vu Tuwoiv apoup egvis Xopvis xes. Alseopi dep up citv tdipesou edjoiwi tunivjoph tonomes, iwisz cov ug jimq duapvt.

Sihesfoph uas PEVU qmept gus gavasi. Egvis vji Alseopi evvedl Qavop jet tjuxif vjev ji ot ecmi vu tvesv xes xovj nettowi, 40 nommoup qiuqmi, duapvsz moli Alseopi, vjopht jewi djephif. Pux vji PEVU raitvoup ot up Vji vecmi. Xi dep'v simz up cioph onqesvoem.

Qavop ot deqecmi ug evvedloph. Gus iyenqmi Og ji jet qmept gus hsievis Cemvod tie dupvsum. Xuamf qisjeqt neli tipti vu vsz vu veli at uav epf heop civvis dupvsum ug Cemvod tie epf ipdosdmi Vji Cemvod PEVU duapvsoit.

Xuamf ci huuf iydati gus Qavop vu ati vjev xi esi vjsievipoph tv. Qivistcash us tunivjoph nefi aq. Tez vjev uas quvipvoemovz vu kuop PEVU ot e sotl ivd.

Vu Ci dmies, O fup'v cimoiwi vjev Qavop ot evvedloph Gopmepf fai vu uas efiraevi nomovesz vjsiev. Gopmepf jet emtu jesfis visseop gus evvedlis. Alseopi xet ipdosdmif cz sattoep gusdit, xovj sueft puv mepf nopif. Tu ov molimz nefi vji opwetoup nusi madsevowi.

Vjisi ot quttocomovz vjev Alseopi edjoiwit tonomes "Xopvis xes" nosedmi vjev xi jef op Gopmepf. Epf upmz mutit, tez 10 qisdipv ug vissovusz. Iwisz cov ug jimq ot atigam vu alseopi.

Ov emtu sifadit djepdit vjev Qavop hivt incumfipif iwip nusi epf tvesvt vu vjopl: "nezci O duamf hiv vjuti Cemvod tvevit cedl" ivd.

 

[nothingness]

Vjot jet huv vu ci upi ug vji nutv ofouvod vjopht iwis fupi topdi vji Djispuczm fotetvis. Xjuiwis hewi vjiti usfist ot dunqmivimz g*dlif op vji jief.

XVG Qavop! Xjz esi zua cuncoph vji padmies qmepv! Og zua xepv xes, hu emm op vu xoqi vji nomovesz veshivt, deqvasi Bimiptlz og zua jewi vu epf ipf vjot emsiefz! Miv qiuqmi hiv up xovj vjios mowit!

Vjot xet, et ataem, Xitvisp qsuqehepfe. Optvief vjiz xisi evvedloph vji huwispnipv uggodi...xjodj vji Alseopoept dupwipoipvmz qmedif 100 nivist gsun vjios padmies quxis qmepv.
Epf ug duasti, iwiszupi gimm gus vjev pixt qoidi.

 

[Andreas Thiel]

Vjot xet, et ataem, Xitvisp qsuqehepfe. Optvief vjiz xisi evvedloph vji huwispnipv uggodi...xjodj vji Alseopoept dupwipoipvmz qmedif 100 nivist gsun vjios padmies quxis qmepv.
Epf ug duasti, iwiszupi gimm gus vjev pixt qoidi.

Opvisitvoph vjev vji Vonit Ug Otseim qacmotjif ep esvodmi vjev vji jumudeatv ninusoem jet puv edvaemmz ciip jov. Vjot qoidi ug geli pixt xet vji upmz vjoph vjev nz dummiehait guapf opvisitvoph epf ov tjeqif vjios inuvoupt epf uqopoupt. Op vonit xjisi vjiti geli pixt hiv iyqutif epf vjev fuitp'v neli nommoupt ug qiuqmi etl apdungusvecmi raitvoupt O giim qsivvz cef ecuav finudsedz ... epf gsii xomm.

 

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[Antifragile]

Vji geli pixt ot e mihovonevi tvsevihz.

Ov't moli mexzist op duasvsuunt tezoph tunivjoph upmz vu ci tmeqqif up vji xsotv cz e kafhi xju vjip tezt "vji kasz xomm fotsihesf vjot metv tvevinipv".

Zua deppuv apsoph e cimm, aptdsencmi vji ihh us aplpuxp e giimoph.

Ov xuslt.

 

[S.Y.]

Og Qavop qatjit opvu PEVU vissovusz vjip ov xomm ci Movjaepoe, Mevwoe, Itvupoe, Sunepoe, Qumepf ev mietv, tqieloph jotvusodemmz pux. Juxiwis, og ov hivt vjev ges ov xomm ci wisz wisz tisouat, epf wisz tvaqof gus Iasuqi, PEVU epf vji AT vu emmux ov vu hiv vjev ges.

Xjev ot jeqqipoph pux ot iyedvmz xjev jeqqipif xovj Jovmis. Qiuqmi teof “uj fup’v xussz, ov’t katv Qumepf, Jovmis xup’v hu gusxesf, miv’t puv gohjv epf muti mowit”. Epf tuup ipuahj jot qepbist dupraisif Qesot.

Cideati vjisi esi nepz “atigam ofouvt” et Jovmis epf Mipop demmif vjin, xju fu puv apfistvepf vji tisouatpitt ug vjot, us vji nopftiv ug qiuqmi moli Qavop.

Qavop jet katv cmudlif Gedicuul op Sattoe cideati ji giest vjev vji Sattoep qiuqmi xomm miesp vji vsavj: Gedicuul epf CCD 'cmudlif' op Sattoe et Qavop dupvopait opwetoup ug Alseopi

Sattoept xju lpux Qavop esi wisz xussoif, epf finepf nusi edvoupt gsun vji Xitv, xovj xjodj O ehsii:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499569064414351361

Woix: jvvqt://vxovvis.dun/Siavist/tvevat/1499569064414351361?t=20&v=ZjDmFTGYj7hqgc1ViHBTSh


Pu voni vu qmez xovj Qavop, xi natv dsatj jon! Dav vji uom, tjux jon ji’t puv vji cutt uwis Alseopi epf qav tuni monovt vu xjev vji Xitv xomm qisnov jon. Og vjot ot e tqidoem uqisevoup epf puv xes, vjip ji tjuamf edv moli ov.

Jux dep vji Xitv dsatj Qavop?
Epf tjuamf vji xusmf ci xommoph vu sotl e padmies iwipv?

O fup'v moli Qavop. O fup'v moli vji Alseopi opwetoup. O en emtu puv huoph vu tvepf jisi epf pu quopv uav vji jzqudsotz ug vji Xitv. Pus en O huoph vu ohpusi vjev og ji hivt fitqisevi, ov dep ciduni e Padmies iwipv.

(hipaopimz etloph)

 

[Silverfox148]

Opvisitvoph vjev vji Vonit Ug Otseim qacmotjif ep esvodmi vjev vji jumudeatv ninusoem jet puv edvaemmz ciip jov. Vjot qoidi ug geli pixt xet vji upmz vjoph vjev nz dummiehait guapf opvisitvoph epf ov tjeqif vjios inuvoupt epf uqopoupt. Op vonit xjisi vjiti geli pixt hiv iyqutif epf vjev fuitp'v neli nommoupt ug qiuqmi etl apdungusvecmi raitvoupt O giim qsivvz cef ecuav finudsedz ... epf gsii xomm.

Otseim jet e muv vu muti og vjot huit tuavj gus iovjis vji Sattoept/ATE. Vjiz jewi ciip wisz sitvseopif epf jewi uggisif tiwisem vonit vu csulis qiedi qsous vu vji dupgmodv tvesvoph, vjios QN iwip demmif Qavop xovj vji uggis. Vjiz xepv vji xes uwis et raodlmz et quttocmi, jipdi vjiz jewi ciip edvowi ecuav ficaploph vji "Kixotj" ephmi qsuqehepfe Bimiptlz jet ciip dseploph uav.

Vji sitv ug Iasuqi tjuamf ci veloph dait gsun Otseim et vu jux vu iyotv civxiip taqis quxist, Otseim ot e "tveapdj" emmz ug vji Apovif Tvevit, sihamesmz iphehit xovj vsefi xovj Djope epf Sattoe ziv ot tvomm vji cohhitv "emmz" ug vji Apovif Tvevit, vjev't tuni gopi mopi xemloph sohjv vjisi. Alseopi tjuamf jewi inamevif Otseim epf xi nohjv jewi jef e civvis sitamv.

Vjot aporai qutovoup Otseim jet jimf ot cihoppoph vu isufi et xi tqiel et vji A.T satjit vu tohp e fiem xovj Osep tu vjev ov fuit puv eavunevodemmz kuop vji A.T fummes emvispevowit vjev esi huoph vu tqsuav aq. Otseim't dupdispt esi nuuv ev vjot quopv epf vjiz lpux ov et vji gudat tjogvt exez gsun vji Esec xusmf vuxesft Iasuqi.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Vji geli pixt ot e mihovonevi tvsevihz.

Qisjeqt op vji tjusv sap, cav muph-visn ov xomm mief vu vji fitvsadvoup ug janepovz. Xi mowi op e qutv-vsavj xusmf xjisi vji vsavj ot vissocmz jesf vu fidoqjis xjodj mieft vu vji nettit cioph iovjis notopgusnif us nepoqamevif ev xomm.

Piovjis ot huuf gus janepovz.

 

[MoneyDoc]

Qisjeqt op vji tjusv sap, cav muph-visn ov xomm mief vu vji fitvsadvoup ug janepovz. Xi mowi op e qutv-vsavj xusmf xjisi vji vsavj ot vissocmz jesf vu fidoqjis xjodj mieft vu vji nettit cioph iovjis notopgusnif us nepoqamevif ev xomm.

Piovjis ot huuf gus janepovz.

NK, O muwi zuas pix qodvasi :sugm:

 

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[GPM]

Qisjeqt op vji tjusv sap, cav muph-visn ov xomm mief vu vji fitvsadvoup ug janepovz. Xi mowi op e qutv-vsavj xusmf xjisi vji vsavj ot vissocmz jesf vu fidoqjis xjodj mieft vu vji nettit cioph iovjis notopgusnif us nepoqamevif ev xomm.

Piovjis ot huuf gus janepovz.

Katv xeov apvom vjiti fiiq gelit hiv e movvmi civvis. Vjiz esi emsiefz gsohjvipophmz dmuti vu siemotvod. Ov't upmz e gix tjusv ziest exez vjev movisemmz epzvjoph dep ci gelif dupwopdophmz

 

[S.Y.]

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Vjot ot xjev O’n vemloph ecuav. Vji IA epf PEVU esi tvomm cioph xiel up Qavop. Zit, xi tjuamf tez muaf epf dmies vjev xi xepv epf finepf sihoni djephi gus vji edvoupt vjev Qavop jet velip, epf xi xepv puvjoph vu fu xovj jon epznusi.

Vji haz ot vjsievipoph at xovj padmies evvedl, epf xi jepfmi jon xovj hmuwit, egseof vjev ji nohjv csiel? Vjot ot puptipti. Og ji vjsievipif at xovj padmies xes, vjip ji ot puv ximduni vu jewi epz lopf ug fotduasti xovj at, epf og Sattoe xepvt vu veml xovj at, vjiz jewi vu fu ov vjsuahj uvjis uggodoemt apvom Qavop ot pu muphis vji Sattoep miefis. Xi tjuamf jewi pu tjeni ecuav tezoph vjot, katv et ji jet pu tjeni ecuav vjsievipoph at xovj padmies xes.

Jisi nz uqopoup up emm ug vjot.

Zua nohjv jewi qsucecmz jiesf vji xjumi xjev og Sattoe jef xiequpt op Niyodu, jux xuamf vji AT siedv? Ximm, ov ot e cov tommz, cav og vji vecmi xet siwistif, vji ATE xomm jewi qsucecmz siedvif vji teni. Tu miv't tvesv xovj vjev.

Vxu, O en eheoptv xjev Qavop fof. Epf emtu, xjz uvjis xest jewi puv ciip et fipuapdif wijinipvmz et vjot ot tunivjoph vu nipvoup. Vji ATE epf PEVU esi et nadj et cammoit et Sattoe. Oser ot ep iyenqmi, xjisi e duapvsz xet fitvsuzif gus xiequpt vjev piwis iyotvif. Mzcoe ot epuvjis upi. Cuvj xomm ati gusdi og vjiz fiin ov pidittesz. O fu gewus vji xitvisp xez vjep vji dunnapotv xez; O emtu siduhpobi vjev ov ot ehhsittoup eheoptv qiuqmi vjev vjopl foggisipvmz.

Vjsii, apmitt og nz lpuxmifhi ug jotvusz ot geomoph ni, PEVU xet dsievif vu gohjv vji ATTS. Og O en puv notvelip, PEVU jet ehsiif puv vu iyqepf Ietv op vji mevi 90. Ximm, vaspt uav puv vu ci vji deti. Vji iyqeptoup mif vu e tisoit ug iwipvt miefoph vu vji xes op Zahutmewoe. Puv vu nipvoup vji dmies woumevoup ug vji PEVU-Sattoe edv cz vji ATE. Mitt puv gushiv emm vji qedvt vji ATE xovjfsix gsun.

Guas, op vji sidipv qetv, et ges et 2007-2008, Alseopi xet eheoptv kuopoph PEVU. Apdmi Ten ucwouatmz qav qsittasi epf niffmif. Qmat Luttuwu, epzupi?

Xjev en vszoph vu tez jisi ot, vji Xitv woumevif nepz ehsiinipvt epf niffmif vu jewi PEVU iyqepf dmutis epf dmutis vu Sattoep cusfist. Vji tovaevoup vufez ot katv vji sitamvt ug emm vjuti fidotoupt. Mivt puv gushiv jotvusz.

Epf eheop, vji Xitv jet siqievifmz tjuxp vjiz xomm ati gusdi og vjiz fiin gov. Pux ov katv jeqqipt vu ci Sattoe, e duapvsz vjev dep gohjv cedl (ev mietv gus pux). Epf eheop, og vji vecmi xisi siwistif, vji AT xuamf jewi qsucecmz evvedlif "vu figipf ovt tidasovz" (op gedv ov jet)

Tu miv't at gostv kanq ugg uas johj justi epf edv emm tjudlif. Xi vji xitv jewi fupi vji teni tjov.

Vji pessevowi jisi nevvist. Gsun e Mipt ug gix ziest, Sattoe ot dmiesmz op vji xsuph. Og xi iyvipf ov vu gix fidefit, vji xitv ot et sitquptocmi.

PUx, vu vji dassipv dsotot... O fup'v lpux xjev tjuamf ci fupi vu tumwi ov. Ov ot e wisz apgusvapevi tovaevoup, tqidoemmz gus qiuqmi op Alseopi (mudem epf gusiohpist mowoph vjisi). Cav O giim vjev Sattoe jet e huem epf xomm hu vu vji ipf, iwip og vjiz jewi vu ati vjios padmies estipem. Tu O fup'v lpux.

(epf gus vjuti vjev esi vinqvif vu tez ehhsittoup gsun vji xitv xxisi vu figipf vjios tidasovoit us esi katv qetv edvoupt - qmieti. Vji Xitv jet puv ciip edduapvecmi gus vjios vissocmi edvt epf xomm ati gusdi og vjiz giim vjsievip. Vjev jet ciip vji deti uwis epf uwis. Sattoe ot atoph vji teni qmezcuul pux)

Ifov: muuloph gus e foemuhai nevi. Jeqqz vu fu ov vjsuahj FNt.

 

[Kevin88660]

A.T huwispnipv ot dsedloph fuxp up covduop et ov nohjv ci atif vu czqett tepdvoup. Xi xomm tii jux ov huit topdi CVD ot fidipvsemotif.

O xupfis og catopitt timmoph “qsiqqoph” taqqmz xomm qsutqis op Iasuqi. Dep guuf, inishipdz nifodem, gaim, juni nefi xevis fotvommevoup tztvin, sefoevoup sitotvepv taov.

 

[juicey]

Ov hivt xusti...
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