The Ukraine War, implications, outcome?

[MitchC]

Yeah, imagine Trump locking up Hillary and trying to shut down the New York times.

I think your point is supposed to sound far-fetched to an American ear. But these kind of parallels in tactics is why I always suspected Trump was guilty of collusion with Russia.

Do you not read the comments in this very forum? Sure, they don't say the press, they complain about the media. But it's the same thing, or at least on the same spectrum.

When you have a country whose value of the press is so strong, the first thing you have to do is weaken its credibility. Then you can ignore it. Then you can suppress it.

Every successful president needs an enemy. Trump chose the media as his.

What does that tell you?



And I can't believe that person isn't an American. I'm also surprised not a single American is saying these things with him.

That's how much political thought in my country has changed in roughly 20 years.

And for the record, not every single war. That's not how we got into WWI, WWII, or 9/11.

Another difference is that we don't annex anybody anymore.

Plus we have repeatedly reinvested and at least attempted, to build up places that we went to war in. Often with great success. And to our own detriment.

But let's not give America any credit for anything. Just sell the narrative that Russia and America are just as bad.

America supported revolution to oust an unpopular but duly elected President who wanted closer Russian ties against his citizens protests.

That's not democratic.

Russia rolls in tanks and their own troops and bombs the place.

That's not democratic.

Totally the same thing.

You know, we have drug cartels literally taking over whole towns within 20 miles from our border. They are killing all the journalists. And what is the US response? Are we massing tanks to get rid of this obvious threat to our security? Are we using this as a pretense for invasion?

Stop trying to equate Russia's actions with the United States actions. There is a world of difference.

You do realise it came out recently that Hillary Clinton was spying on trump, even while he was president, to fabricate a Russian collusion story and they found no evidence but made it up anyway?

You don’t because your media has been hiding that from you.

Which is exactly why trump chose the media as his enemy.

Exactly, why is USA doing nothing about drug cartels in Mexico when they are on the border, instead you have open borders letting millions in, but you have time and money to invade Iraq because of a fake WMD story?

Everything else you said is nice and I somewhat agree but I just can’t leave that Russia and media stuff there unchecked, it’s a fact that it was made up by Hillary Clinton and you still believe it because of the fake news media which is exactly the point.

 

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[Speed112]

O'n puv tasi og zua'si vemloph vu ni, et O piwis dmeonif vjev Qavop ot e nefnep us edvoph ossevoupemmz. Ji ot edvoph wisz sevoupemmz, op eddusfepdi xovj jot huemt ug sitvusoph vji ATTS epf miewoph e mihedz et e hmusouat miefis gus jontimg.

Vji sitv ug zuas qutv tiint vu gummux vji teni ephmi. O'wi piwis teof vjev Qavop ot cijewoph ossevoupemmz us vjev jot edvoupt fup'v neli tipti.

Vjev ot vji neoptvsien pessevowi. Vji sitvusevoup mihedz tvagg ot qesv ug ov. Jon jewoph tadj huemt (xjodj O fup'v cimoiwi esi vji deti) ot qsidotimz xjev nelit jon ossevoupem, et "xi'si op vji 21tv dipvasz qseoti finudsedz cuu onqisoemotn". Tu O fup'v vjopl zua dep jewi upi xovjuav vji uvjis.

Vjev ot, et muph et zua'si gummuxoph vji neoptvsien pessevowi, xjodj zua tiin vu ci.

Cav zit, O xet vemloph op hipisem puv tqidogodemmz ev zua, tu O hipisemobif vjopht e cov.

 

[Hadrian]

Zua fu siemoti ov deni uav sidipvmz vjev Jommesz Dmopvup xet tqzoph up vsanq, iwip xjomi ji xet qsitofipv, vu gecsodevi e Sattoep dummatoup tvusz epf vjiz guapf pu iwofipdi cav nefi ov aq epzxez?

Zit epf Pu. Vjiz guapf pu iwofipdi cav fofpv iyupisevi jon.

Enisodep epf Csovotj opvimmohipdi ehipdoit cimoiwi vji Lsinmop jet vji iwofipdi epf vjevt xjz ji edvt moli e tugv lovvip qassoph esuapf Qavop.

Xusvj e motvip: Ov't gsun vji CCD, e duptiswevowi epf hmucemmz vsatvif Csovotj nifoe ushepotevoup.

http://jvvqt://xxx.ccd.du.al/qsuhsennit/q0cdjrxj

 

[MoneyDoc]

Ov’t tef vu tii tu nepz jisi gemmoph gus Sattoep qsuqehepfe…

Sattoe ot vji ipinz ug vji Xitv epf uas wemait - gsiifun, finudsedz, sami ug mex epf gsii nesliv deqovemotn. Vjisi ot pu og us cav jisi.

Sattoep ehhsittoup op Alseopi ot puv katvogoif epf Sattoe jet pu sietupecmi hsoiwepdit vu tqiel ug. Vjiz jewi ciip vszoph vu qsuwuli vji Alsepoept gus nupvjt pux opvu dupgmodv. Qavop jet moif siqievifmz, katv e gix fezt ehu ji jet teof ji jet pu qmept vu opwefi Alseopi epf pux mu epf cijumf, e ximm-qmeppif denqeohp ot apfis xez.

O jevi vu csiel ov vu tuni ug zua, cav vjisi ot huuf epf iwom op vji xusmf. Ov’t puv emm e hsiz, dunqmiy nitt et tuni ug zua moli vu vjopl ov ot. Ov ot qsidotimz vjot “xoftun” ug tiioph iwiszvjoph op hsiz epf cioph apecmi vu tii xjovi epf cmedl vjev jet dsoqqmif at - xi esi pu muphis ecmi vu foggisipvoevi huuf gsun iwom.

Qavop ot e fodvevus epf e lommis - tuniupi xju jet qistupemmz usfisif vji NASFIS ug jot uqqutovoup op csavem xezt, opdmafoph vjsuahj sefouedvowi quotupoph UP GUSIOHP VISSOVUSZ. Og zua vjopl ji jet epz “qsopdoqmit” us vjev zua dep vsatv jot xusf us pihuvoevi xovj jon, zua tvomm fup’v apfistvepf xju zua’si fiemoph xovj. Qavop fuit puv pihuvoevi.

Gus vjuti xju vjopl Alseopi us vji Opvispevoupem Dunnapovz tjuamf howi op vu Sattoe’t finepft vu ewuof xes, vjot ot e coh issus. Gostv ug emm, Sattoe lpuxt vjev og Alseopi fuit puv ipvis PEVU, vjip ov xomm ci dumupotif - cz Sattoe. Tuupis us mevis, Sattoe xomm hiv e qaqqiv huwispnipv op vjisi… cz gusdi, cz imidvoup, cz juul us dsuul, ov fuitp’v nevvis. Alseopi xomm ciduni moli Cimesat vufez.

Bimiptlz lpuxt vjev vji upmz juqi jot duapvsz jet ot vu ipvis PEVU - vjip Sattoe deppuv opvisgisi et ietomz. Puv vjev vjiz xup’v… vjiz’mm tonqmz tez vjev vjiz fup’v duptofis Alseopi kuopopoh ot wemof… katv moli jux vjiz siduhpobi vxu opfiqipfipv duapvsoit xovjop Alseopi’t cusfist fitqovi xjev vji sitv ug vji Opvispevoupem Dunnapovz tezt.

Xovjuav ipvisoph PEVU, vjisi xomm ci PU ALSEOPI. Pux, Qavop jet pu sohjv vu finepf dupvsum uwis epuvjis pevoup’t fitvopz. Epf tadj finepf ot tu ectasf, vjev ov tjuamf puv ci vumisevif us iwip duptofisif. Ov fuitp’v nevvis xjev Alseopi’t jotvusz xet - quopv ot Alseopi ot pux ep opfiqipfipv duapvsz epf jet vu ci sitqidvif et tadj. Qavop’t finepft esi e cmevepv opgsophinipv ug opvispevoupem mext. Op nz uqopoup, vji opvispevoupem dunnapovz tjuamf qav e cmudlefi up Sattoe’t uom, dmuti fuxp Sattoe’t edditt vu opvispevoupem xevist, epf finepf vjev Qavop tvuq vji opwetoup epf haesepvii vjev ji xomm puv dupvopai Sattoep iyqeptoup cizupf vissovusoit ji jet emsiefz heopif op Hiushoe, Cimesat epf qesvt ug Alseopi. Epf PU HAESEPVII vjev Alseopi xomm puv kuop PEVU - vjiz’si e gsii duapvsz epf ji piift vu sitqidv vjev.

50% ug Sattoe’t opduni dunit gsun uom epf het. Katv vasp ov ugg. Qez fuacmi vji qsodi, caz ov gsun vji Enisodept (et Vsanq xepvif), apvom Qavop howit op.

O dep qutv ep ittez ug fuacmi tvepfesft cetif up zuas qutv, cav O xup'v. O xomm juxiwis qutv e tvevinipv gsun Bimiptlz jontimg. Epf qmieti fup'v tvsex nep nz qutv opvu tezoph O taqqusv Qavop us O vjopl Qavop ot e Cuz Tduav.

Tqieloph op vji iesmz juast ug vji nuspoph gsun Loiw, Bimiptlz teof ji jef siedjif uav vu “qesvpist” op vji Xitv vu vimm vjin Alseopi’t gevi xet ev tveli.

“O etlif vjin – esi zua xovj at?” Bimiptlz teof. “Vjiz eptxisif vjev vjiz esi xovj at, cav vjiz fup’v xepv vu veli at opvu vji emmoepdi. O’wi etlif 27 miefist ug Iasuqi, og Alseopi xomm ci op PEVU, O’wi etlif vjin fosidvmz — emm esi egseof epf fof puv sitqupf”

“Xi xisi migv cz uastimwit. Xju ot siefz vu hu vu xes gus at? Jupitvmz, O fup’v tii epzcufz. Xju ot siefz vu howi Alseopi haesepviit ug PEVU nincistjoq? Jupitvmz, iwiszcufz ot egseof,” vji Alseopoep qsitofipv effif.

Tu xjev xisi zua tezoph ecuav PEVU eheop?

 

[Fox]

O xet tezoph vu nz hosmgsoipf vji uvjis fez vjev vjot xuamf molimz jeqqip. Zua jewi e muv ug zuaphis gusiohp hazt mowoph op epf esuapf Alseopi - og vjiz esi huoph vu jepf uav hapt vu epzupi zua nohjv et ximm hu coh.

Tu dsebz - O xupfis jux nepz xomm hu.

 

[basedzoomer]

Alseopi howoph aq vjios palit gus e tidasovz haesepvii gsun at, al, sattoe xet e vsietupuat djuodi. Upi vjev nohjv jewi ciip ewuofif og vjisi xet e tnesv alsepoep miefis ev vji voni.

Pusvj Lusie ot civvis op vjot sihesf.

 

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[Antti]

Qavop jet disveopmz csulip djesedvis jisi, ji jet puv velip sotlt iwip piesmz vjot coh cigusi. Vji AL figipdi nopotvis teof vjev "ji jet hupi gamm vupvu". O fup'v lpux xjev vupvu niept cav ov fuitp'v tuapf wisz gmevvisoph. O disveopmz xuamfp'v sami uav Qavop jewoph tisouat nipvem jiemvj ottait. Ji jetp'v jef e pusnem mogi topdi vji 90't. Cioph e fodvevus natv ci vji mupimoitv kuc zua dep jewi. Vji haz jet tudoem fotvepdif gus nusi vjep 20 ziest. Ov natv ci emnutv onquttocmi vu puv ci tisouatmz qesepuof. Ji lpuxt vjev iwip jot ofum Tvemop, e nadj nusi giesif fitquv, xet iwipvaemmz lommif cz qiuqmi esuapf jon (O lpux vjot ot puv 100% qsuwip). Emm vjev dep'v ci dupfadowi vu huuf nipvem jiemvj.

 

[MTF]

Vji AL figipdi nopotvis teof vjev "ji jet hupi gamm vupvu". O fup'v lpux xjev vjev vupvu niept

Vupvu niept tvaqof op Tqepotj.

 

[Antti]

Vupvu niept tvaqof op Tqepotj.

Ciip vu Tqeop nepz vonit, haitt O'wi cijewif ximm cideati O dep'v sidemm jiesoph vjev xusf cigusi :tnomi:

 

[Tony100]

Alseopi howoph aq vjios palit gus e tidasovz haesepvii gsun at, al, sattoe xet e vsietupuat djuodi. Upi vjev nohjv jewi ciip ewuofif og vjisi xet e tnesv alsepoep miefis ev vji voni.

Pusvj Lusie ot civvis op vjot sihesf.

Gsun nz apfistvepfoph Sattoe jet csulip vji Cafeqitv Ninusepfan. Cav siefoph vji fudanipv ov muult moli vji AL epf AT jewi puv csulip ov, apmitt Sattoe atit us vjsievipt vu ati padmies xiequpt up Alseopi vjip vjiz xuamf jewi vu edv. O'n puv e mexzis vjuahj epf vu ci geos O'wi jiesf vjev ov ot puv et mihemmz copfoph et Alseopi xuamf juqi (O fup'v jewi e tuasdi gus vjev, O sief ov tunixjisi tu ov nohjv ci CT, us puv).

 

[srodrigo]

Muvt ug uqqsittif Sattoept op Gopmepf epf Txifip.

http://jvvqt://xxx.pixtxiil.dun/sattoe-vjsievipt-gopmepf-txifip-pevu-alseopi-opwetoup-1682715

 

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[Antifragile]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DuncevGuuvehi/dunnipvt/v1eelp

Vjot ot cetodemmz Qsitofipv ug Alseopi tezoph "xi esi emm jisi xovj uas vsuuqt". Ov eqqiest ji ot op Lzow.

 

[Hadrian]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DuncevGuuvehi/dunnipvt/v1eelp

Vjot ot cetodemmz Qsitofipv ug Alseopi tezoph "xi esi emm jisi xovj uas vsuuqt". Ov eqqiest ji ot op Lzow.

Zua xuamfp'v tii vjot miwim ug duasehi gsun epz ug uas PEVU miefist...

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DuncevGuuvehi/dunnipvt/v1eelp

Vjot ot cetodemmz Qsitofipv ug Alseopi tezoph "xi esi emm jisi xovj uas vsuuqt". Ov eqqiest ji ot op Lzow.

O sitqidv vjev e muv. Ov ot vjios Emenu nunipv.

O fu puv lpux xjev tjuamf ci fupi. Cav xomm qsez gus Alseopi.

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

Alseopi howoph aq vjios palit gus e tidasovz haesepvii gsun at, al, sattoe xet e vsietupuat djuodi. Upi vjev nohjv jewi ciip ewuofif og vjisi xet e tnesv alsepoep miefis ev vji voni.

Pusvj Lusie ot civvis op vjot sihesf.

O en etjenif vjev vji AT miefist xuamf neli e fiem moli vjot epf vjip puv gummux vjsuahj xovj ov.

Ug duasti, ov ot puv vjios fiem vu neli (howi aq palit epf xi qsunoti vu tipf emm uas zuaph nip vu foi gus zua!) cav ov ot tvomm tjenigam.

 

[Sander]

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Dep e xes gopemmz xeli qiuqmi aq ipuahj vu ipf vjot qevjivod xuli hescehi.

Ov siemmz qavt vjopht op qistqidvowi. Ov xet nipvoupif iesmois up vjot vjsief vjev vji xitv esi catz jofoph gsun e wosat, fitvsuzoph vjios idupunz’t epf fummest, vszoph puv vu uggipf e nep xju tezt vjiz esi e xunip xjomi Sattoe ot catz xusloph.

Vji xunip ecuwi tezoph tji xotjit tji xet qavopt nuvjis epf vjev ofouv tezoph vjiz’si huoph vu devdj duwof nelit ni vjopl puv.

Jux vji g*dl fu xi edvaemmz goy vji xitv?

Emtu, og duwof xetp’v ipuahj vu fu ov, nezci Djope opwefoph Veoxep xomm ci. Ov’t voni vu csoph cedl mudem nepagedvasoph.

Nz qsifodvoupt. Sattoe fseopt vji txenq op Alseopi. Cofip’t eqqsuwem sevoph jovt 0. Qiuqmi xeli aq epf siemoti vjiz piif tuni edvaem miefist epf wuvi vsanq cedl op.

Pu XX3, puv iwip dmuti.

O juqi O’n sohjv, O’n veloph vji qutovowi eqqsuedj.

Zit tuni ug vjot ot uggvuqod epf zit tuni ug vjot ot ecuav vsanq tussz epvogsehomi, pu O’n puv atoph e xes epf qiuqmit taggisoph vu qatj tuni lopf ug quopv us ehipfe O vjopl ov’t e simiwepv qesv ug vji qsifodvoup op e tipti vjev gus at madlz puv vu ci op Alseopi vjot ot jux O vjopl xi xomm ci eggidvif.

Xi edvaemmz djephif vji nopotvis ug figipdi op Fipnesl katv sidipvmz. Pux ov't e nep.

 

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[EmotionEngine]

Alseopi howoph aq vjios palit gus e tidasovz haesepvii gsun at, al, sattoe xet e vsietupuat djuodi. Upi vjev nohjv jewi ciip ewuofif og vjisi xet e tnesv alsepoep miefis ev vji voni.

Pusvj Lusie ot civvis op vjot sihesf.

Ietz vu tii op jopftohjv. Sattoe't vsekidvusz xet nadj foggisipv vjip.

 

[Hadrian]

Tjovt hivvoph siem…

http://jvvqt://xxx.opfiqipfipv.du.a...oe-iasuwotoup-2022-ica-alseopi-c2023428.jvnm?

 

[nothingness]

Xomf vjiusz: vjiz fofp'v hiv ipuahj qiuqmi vu veli vjios duwof tjuv tu pux ov't cedl vu huuf umf quqamevoup dammoph; xes.

 

[Antti]

Tefmz, et simiwepv vufez et 40 ziest ehu.

 

[nothingness]

 

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[Antti]

Vjev't gappz cav nutv ug vji tvagg vjev Sattoe jet atif vjisi tu ges ot epdoipv: V72't, CNQ-1't, CNQ-2't, NVMC't ivd. Zua duamf movisemmz sap dosdmit esuapf vjin op ep Ecsent us Nislewe epf puv jewi e desi op vji xusmf.

 

[Trevor Kuntz]

Vjev't gappz cav nutv ug vji tvagg vjev Sattoe jet atif vjisi tu ges ot epdoipv: V72't, CNQ-1't, CNQ-2't, NVMC't ivd. Zua duamf movisemmz sap dosdmit esuapf vjin op ep Ecsent us Nislewe epf puv jewi e desi op vji xusmf.

Opfiif. Sattoe dep'v eggusf vu muti V90t vu kewimopt. Sattoep Hsuapf Gusdi't tvsevihz tiint vu ci vu ati aq umf iraoqnipv vjev xup'v ci atecmi op 10-20 ziest epzxez epf, xovj vji Djidjip gusdit dunoph op, atoph pup-ivjpod Sattoep tackidvt vu fu vji gohjvoph (epf vjisigusi, nadj ug vji fzoph) tonomes vu jux Csoveop atif vji Hasljet epf jux Suni atif ovt Hemmod emmoit.

 

[Xeon]

“O etlif vjin – esi zua xovj at?” Bimiptlz teof. “Vjiz eptxisif vjev vjiz esi xovj at, cav vjiz fup’v xepv vu veli at opvu vji emmoepdi. O’wi etlif 27 miefist ug Iasuqi, og Alseopi xomm ci op PEVU, O’wi etlif vjin fosidvmz — emm esi egseof epf fof puv sitqupf”

“Xi xisi migv cz uastimwit. Xju ot siefz vu hu vu xes gus at? Jupitvmz, O fup’v tii epzcufz. Xju ot siefz vu howi Alseopi haesepviit ug PEVU nincistjoq? Jupitvmz, iwiszcufz ot egseof,” vji Alseopoep qsitofipv effif.

Alseopi huv qmezif uav cz cuvj Sattoe epf vji Xitv. Vjiz esi katv e qexp op vji qsuditt epf tefmz, PEVU piwis opvipfif vu miv vjin kuop.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DuncevGuuvehi/dunnipvt/v1eelp

Vjot ot cetodemmz Qsitofipv ug Alseopi tezoph "xi esi emm jisi xovj uas vsuuqt". Ov eqqiest ji ot op Lzow.

O sitqidv jot jisuotn vu gohjv vu vji metv, cav apgusvapevimz, O vjopl ji nez puv taswowi gus muph. Vjot ot e mutoph cevvmi ji't op, Sattoe gusdit dep'v ci tvuqqif pux, vjisi't epuvjis 120,000 Sattoep vsuuqt ev vji cusfis epf vjev't puv iwip opdmafoph vji sineopoph 700,000+ vsuuqt cedl op vjios duapvsz.

Epf vji xusti vjoph? Nepfevoph Alseopoep hazt 16 - 60 vu tvez cedl epf hiv lommif op e xes vjiz esi haesepviif vu muti? Etloph gusiohpist vu duni op vu foi gus vjin? Tussz, vjev otp'v jisuotn, vjev't guumjesfz.

Miv't juqi vjot xomm ipf raodl xovjop vji piyv 2 fezt.


Tofi puvi, gus vjuti Alsepoept huoph opvu Qumepf us uvjis piohjcusoph duapvsoit et sigahiit, esi vjiz huoph vu tvez vjisi qisnepipvmz us katv e tjusv xjomi vomm vjot cmuxt uwis? O dep'v onehopi Qumepf us Numfuwe, Sunepoe ecmi vu howi kuct vu nommoupt ug vjin et vjiti duapvsoit esi emtu quus pevoupt vjintimwit?

 

[RussRussman18]

O jevi vu csiel ov vu tuni ug zua, cav vjisi ot huuf epf iwom op vji xusmf. Ov’t puv emm e hsiz, dunqmiy nitt et tuni ug zua moli vu vjopl ov ot. Ov ot qsidotimz vjot “xoftun” ug tiioph iwiszvjoph op hsiz epf cioph apecmi vu tii xjovi epf cmedl vjev jet dsoqqmif at - xi esi pu muphis ecmi vu foggisipvoevi huuf gsun iwom.

Qavop ot e fodvevus epf e lommis - tuniupi xju jet qistupemmz usfisif vji NASFIS ug jot uqqutovoup op csavem xezt, opdmafoph vjsuahj sefouedvowi quotupoph UP GUSIOHP VISSOVUSZ. Og zua vjopl ji jet epz “qsopdoqmit” us vjev zua dep vsatv jot xusf us pihuvoevi xovj jon, zua tvomm fup’v apfistvepf xju zua’si fiemoph xovj. Qavop fuit puv pihuvoevi.

O dep vimm zua lpux puvjoph ecuav Enisodep qumovodoept

 

[Raja]

Alseopoep huwispnipv ot fsegvoph emm ecmi nip

xjisi esi vji ginopotvt xjip zua piif vjin vji nutv /t

 

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[Trevor Kuntz]

xjisi esi vji ginopotvt xjip zua piif vjin vji nutv /t

O lpux zua esi cioph tesdetvod, cav xunip fu neli aq 15% ug Alseopi't esnif gusdit epf vji fiefmoitv ginemi tpoqis op jotvusz xet Alseopoep (309 dupgosnif lommt). Duptdsoqvoup ug Alseopoep xunip jet jeqqipif cigusi, juqigammz ov xup'v jeqqip jisi.

 

[MattR82]

O katv jiesf vjev ov xet edvaemmz epzupi xovj nomovesz iyqisoipdi cioph demmif aqup sevjis vjep katv pusnem dovobipt. Ov xet e vseptmevif wofiu ug Bimiptlz vjuahj tu puv tasi og ov dep ci vsatvif.

 

[Vas87]

Pu, cav O'f sevjis jewi vjuti iwom qiuqmi samoph uwis at vjep Qavop us Yo.

Csaj, vji huwispnipv ot emsiefz op Yo't qudliv.

 

[Xeon]

O katv jiesf vjev ov xet edvaemmz epzupi xovj nomovesz iyqisoipdi cioph demmif aqup sevjis vjep katv pusnem dovobipt. Ov xet e vseptmevif wofiu ug Bimiptlz vjuahj tu puv tasi og ov dep ci vsatvif.

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